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I can understand that things like the flyng plane with the cathedral decorations can look silly for some even if they like the core dark Angels aesthetic, but I have seen many people that basically wants every marine to be a tactical.
Is the same as the "chaos" players that dont actually want to play chaos but heresy era marines.
You can recognise them because if something is not just a imperial marine with the aquila scrached is "too silly/ornate", and because they want access to all the loyalist armory.
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
Deadnight wrote: Truth be told, marines had stopped being marines for me a long time ago.
That was a really interesting read - everyone's view is so subjective. I used to play RT with RTB01 marines, and 25 years later when I came back to the game in 8th edition I went straight for the latest TAC marines. To me they're every bit the marines I used to love. I don't deny that the Primaris models are nice (and I do own some), they're just not the iconic marines I remember.
That’s fair. Here’s the thing though. When, like you, I think of the ‘iconic’ marines, I think of these guys.
Classic marines.
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Classic space wolves.
3rd ed tac marines.
Your rtb01 marines?
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When you compare these guys to the RTB01 guys, you can see the lineage and the heritage there, though the RTB01 marines really do show their age at this point. They’re all still pretty no-nonsense (bright OTT pastel colour schemes notwithstanding of course!). Lots of gear, not much in the way of faff. By the time you have 7th edition rolling around and you have the likes of
Ultramarine honour guard, and the despised 'wing-face'.
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Santa Grimnar.
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Rolling around, and as far as I’m concerned, the shark has been jumped. Those guys are more ‘ornament’ than ‘marine’. Hell, there is more of a Space Marine aesthetic in Lumiere or Cogsworth from the Beauty and the Beast movie than those ornaments – its like Where’s Wally, but for Space Marines.
Now, compared to the likes of these guys?
Black Ops.
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I know who I want in my army.
SHUPPET wrote:
This is a really cool perspective and written really well and I appreciate you sharing it
Appreciated, thank you!
Galas wrote:
yeah, is well put, and a absolutely valid opinion.
One I disagree with, of course, but expected being myself an huge fan of ornaments and a Dark Angel player with an over abundance of winged helmets and religious iconography in literally everything. One that thinks Sisters's of battle Exorcist is the most warhammer model ever made, and that believes the more baroque and less tacti-cool the Empire looks, the better (I have Tau to scrach that thing for me).
You spelled 'traitor' incorrectly!
I appreciate what you say Galas, and for what its worth, consider it merely ‘my’ opinion. Its ‘correct’ for me, but I’m certainly not arrogant enough to try to claim this objectively – everybody will have their own opinions on this. You demonstrate this perfectly and I genuinely hope there is stuff there in the game for you to enjoy – though I will be rolling my eyes at it while you will look at what I like and regard it as 'boring'. Totally fair!
Tbf I have seen some beautifully modelled DA deathwimg vehicles that looked like tracked churches, with all the side armour removed and in the recesses that were forme, were modelled statues and all manner of ornamentation depicting various scenes and things that would likely appeal to your average traitor. Silly, but stunning.
Galas wrote:
I mean, just look at these beauties. Its a crime that helmet and style of unit is reserved for Ultramarines.
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Nah, guy looks like a preening peacock, and has no business on a battlefield. A church tabernacle, maybe, or a ceremonial parade at a pinch, but in the mud, dirt and blood of an actual campaign? Nah, no way. Though, to be fair, this guy is far from the worst offender in my eyes.
SHUPPET wrote:I honestly think it's Chapter dependant. That sort of embellishment would look ridiculous in a Raven Guard, Iron Hands or Raptors army. It's perfectly suited to like Ultramarine, BA and even Fists, however.
I am probably more on the extreme end – that peacock Galas showed earlier looks ridiculous anywhere. When I got back into 40k with primaris (and death guard), I went with Raptors for their pragmatic, practical, utterly no-nonsense approach to things.
I actively avoid anything even remotely looking like an embellishment on my guys armour. It annoys me to have lieutenants with the greebled up legs and fancy ornate shoulder pads – I even refuse to paint gold or any ‘fancy’ coulours on my guys. The most I’ll accept on my guys is a Primaris head or shoulder pad with a wee skull on it to denote rank, for the sergeants. Lieutetnants might get a tiny bit extra, but frankly, that’s it. No bling. Loads of 3rd party anvil bits - every one gets loaded up with grenades, pouches, spare clips of ammo on their belts, thighs and chest/torso. And everyone gets a holstered sidearm. It’s a war, not a damned fashion show.
For the death guard, I actively avoid any embellishments. Dusk Raiders and pre-heresy Death Guard were notorious for the utterly crude functionality of their armour and complete and utter disregard for any embellishments or fanciness. Most of my Mk3 ‘undersuits’ are unpainted metallic, with only the main plate ‘slabs’ being ivory, and accents (knee, elbow and shoulder pads) being green. Tentacles are fine. Horns are fine. Any OTT greebles or silly bug heads just get filed off.
Galas wrote:
For me the best part of the primaris chapter sprue is that the helmets couldnt be more generic. Theres no crested Ultramarine one or feathered DA one like in the old chapter sprues.
Heh, fixed that for you!
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Eldarsif wrote: I want all the robes and cowls for my Dark Angels. I personally really like their somewhat religious/catholic imagery which I also find fitting as they have their own internal inquisition getting people to repent.
While they are my least favorite Chapter, I like the Religious/Knightly Monk aesthetic that they bring with them, I'm just not particularly fond of that green color. Which is, oddly enough- the same reason I dislike Ultramarines- the color irks me, but I can get behind the Roman Empire theme and I think it's one of the better ones.
The reason I hate both of those colors? It's silly.
But EVERY. SINGLE. YEAR. I got shirts in those two colors- that blue and that dark green, because "it brings out your eyes"- which made me want to bring theirs out with a cocktail fork, because I had an issue when I was young where bright light really made my eyes go bloodshot and get watery and I couldn't see a damned thing- I had to wear sunglasses and caps A LOT, so it wasn't like people saw my eyes or saw me in bright lighting without them shielded.
Interesting discussion. I like both, actually. I like the silly exaggerated ornaments on 40K Marines, but then I add a lot of "useful" bits from Anvil and other producers. And with that I think they did it just fine on the new Plague Marines. They have a lot of Nurgle-stuff but also spare magazines and weapon parts hanging on their backpack. I like that.
Galas wrote: Is the same as the "chaos" players that dont actually want to play chaos but heresy era marines.
Wait, whats your beef with this one? The heresy era miniatures are beautiful and chapters like Iron Warriors and Night Lords hate warp mutations and remove them, and especially in the case of Iron Warriors the aesthetic of the heresy era mini's is just perfect. Renegade bands in this vein as well seem like a perfectly fine choice.
P.S.A. I won't read your posts if you break it into a million separate quotes and make an eyesore of it.
Galas wrote: Is the same as the "chaos" players that dont actually want to play chaos but heresy era marines.
Wait, whats your beef with this one? The heresy era miniatures are beautiful and chapters like Iron Warriors and Night Lords hate warp mutations and remove them, and especially in the case of Iron Warriors the aesthetic of the heresy era mini's is just perfect. Renegade bands in this vein as well seem like a perfectly fine choice.
If you hate the warp mutations, then perhaps you shouldn't have betrayed the Emperor and joined the Chaos!
Sgt. Cortez wrote: Interesting discussion. I like both, actually. I like the silly exaggerated ornaments on 40K Marines, but then I add a lot of "useful" bits from Anvil and other producers. And with that I think they did it just fine on the new Plague Marines. They have a lot of Nurgle-stuff but also spare magazines and weapon parts hanging on their backpack. I like that.
If all Space Marines had the same 'style', we'd just have "different colored Ultramarines". I think they should always be able to be as distinct and odd as people want them to be, even if I dislike the aesthetic they choose.
I think our armies are like an RPG character, in a way. Sometimes you want the noble shining knight, boldly charging into the fray and bellowing out praises to his deity. Other times, you want the cunning stealth ninja pulling an omae wa mou shindeiru on some fool. Sometimes you wanna be the sleek super-spy, other times it's fun just to kick the door in and go bananners with a belt-fed machine gun.
"Different strokes for different folks", I suppose. There's a reason all of my Space Marines have different aesthetics- Black Templars, Alpha Legion, and Raptors. My big project is to get my entire Deathwatch army to be aesthetically diverse, in relation to the parent chapter of those marines- Black Templars with tabards and crusader helmets, Raptors with tactical gear, Space Wolves with Viking iconography, Ultramarines with sticks up their asses- all while sharing the color scheme of the Deathwatch.
Galas wrote: Is the same as the "chaos" players that dont actually want to play chaos but heresy era marines.
Wait, whats your beef with this one? The heresy era miniatures are beautiful and chapters like Iron Warriors and Night Lords hate warp mutations and remove them, and especially in the case of Iron Warriors the aesthetic of the heresy era mini's is just perfect. Renegade bands in this vein as well seem like a perfectly fine choice.
Oh no, I dont have any problems. I actually have a small force of heresy style iron warriors for my mixed chaos warband with 20 mk3 marines, two vindicators and one warpsmith.
I just find a little boring when they react to any chaos release asking for less "chaos" when its is obvious they shouldnt want chaos kits but more horus heresy units in plastic. I dont know if Im explaining myself well enough.
Clearly they arent the target of those kits.
As I have said previously, even having preferences I normally like everything. Both the ornamented, the non nonsense, the tacticool, etc...
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
I only started in 5th ed, but I've always looked in WDs before that and were a bit in aw of all the miniatures and landscapes/battlefields, so "my" marines are the small ones. I like their OTT stuff and their older cleaner look. I love the robed minis, and the Honour Guards' wingfaces iss my absolute favourite helmet of the bunch. I see the Primaris as kinda not really Marines. They're their own separate entity to me. I do think they look really good, but they aren't really Space Marines.They look like a really good interpretation of SM. And that's fine.
My problem with them (and most new GW stuff) is that they're basically monopose. I started DG when they were new, and the models look great, but again -monopose. In that sense the old minis are vastly superior. I'm not slouch when it comes to a saw, scalpel and GS, but I feel something as basic as a Marine shouldn't require it. Even heads have tabs on them, damn it. WHY?!
Just let primaris marines ride in oldmarine transports.
And, make a 3 ppm upgrade available for all old-marine models. "Primaris Implants," they get +1a +1w, and a fancy bolt rifle.
Boom, done. Now people who like the primaris aesthetic can play them in any capacity they want, and also, you've got everyone still buying and playing oldmarine stuff. You can still release new squads that are primaris only. Everyone is happy.
And people buy primaris intercessors specifically for upgrade and conversion.
Galas wrote: I remember when Marmatag was a nooby, all shiney and full of joy. How playing the unbalanced mess of Warhammer40k in a ultra-competitive meta has changed you
Bharring wrote: He'll actually *change his mind* in the presence of sufficient/sufficiently defended information. Heretic.
fraser1191 wrote: I don't think cawl was thinking about personalizing every single Primaris he made. Which everyone seems to forget. Primaris were mass produced then put on a shelf (kinda like half our models am i right?) so of course they're missing iconic chapter embellishments
Also the winged helmet is the best helmet
Some people just don't get space marines man. What is more arrogant than putting a golden Eagle on your freaking facemask? Literally nothing. Que Ultramarines captain whos been fighting for literally 100 consecutive years. Saying stuff like "I am the emperors will made manifest". This is exactly what I expect. I kind of like this model. I did change his helmet though - I really just liked his stance + cape.
If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
- Fox Mulder
Galas wrote: Is the same as the "chaos" players that dont actually want to play chaos but heresy era marines.
Wait, whats your beef with this one? The heresy era miniatures are beautiful and chapters like Iron Warriors and Night Lords hate warp mutations and remove them, and especially in the case of Iron Warriors the aesthetic of the heresy era mini's is just perfect. Renegade bands in this vein as well seem like a perfectly fine choice.
Man, I keep seeing this claim and it still sounds super fake. Maybe the Night Lords, sure, whatever, but the Iron Warriors are the guys who are famous for the use of Obliterators. That's about as much chaos mutation as you can possibly get.
Marmatag wrote: Just let primaris marines ride in oldmarine transports.
And, make a 3 ppm upgrade available for all old-marine models. "Primaris Implants," they get +1a +1w, and a fancy bolt rifle.
Boom, done. Now people who like the primaris aesthetic can play them in any capacity they want, and also, you've got everyone still buying and playing oldmarine stuff. You can still release new squads that are primaris only. Everyone is happy.
And people buy primaris intercessors specifically for upgrade and conversion.
Galas wrote: Is the same as the "chaos" players that dont actually want to play chaos but heresy era marines.
Wait, whats your beef with this one? The heresy era miniatures are beautiful and chapters like Iron Warriors and Night Lords hate warp mutations and remove them, and especially in the case of Iron Warriors the aesthetic of the heresy era mini's is just perfect. Renegade bands in this vein as well seem like a perfectly fine choice.
Man, I keep seeing this claim and it still sounds super fake. Maybe the Night Lords, sure, whatever, but the Iron Warriors are the guys who are famous for the use of Obliterators. That's about as much chaos mutation as you can possibly get.
The problem with Chaos is that in the lore and in the novels they are several distinct flavors of chaos space marines, flavors that are as distinct if not more distinct from basic CSM as the Non-codex loyalist chapters. Now if you tried really hard you could try and represent Blood Angels with the basic SM codex, short of it being a codex within a codex, you would always be missing a bit of the flavor that makes them distinctive.
The CSM rules fail to adequately represent Renegade loyalist chapters or Legions... they represent some vague ambiguous notion of CSM that is a step removed from a meaningful distinction and somewhere in between. If a loyalist chapter goes renegade they hold on to the most easily maintained equipment for sometime, even if it becomes scarcer.
One of the 2 big Renegade chapters used as poster boys for Renegade CSM are described and depicted as masters of drop pod assaults. You can't represent that. No one is saying "we want everything loyalists have"... they just want to play the army that's described to them instead of the forced generic version of it.
When CSM players say they want to play legions, it isn't about using Heresy minis. Its about having more of a direct link to the fact that these are Heresy Era Veterans. Look at the Death Guard, and the Thousand Sons... those armies depart greatly from their Heresy Era form and equipment and yet there are hints of it throughout the army. Sell your soul for power, fight wars for 10,000 years, and some how you're less of a Veteran than the freshly indoctrinated tactical Marine? -This is what the CSM codex teaches us. The statistical power difference between tactical squads and CSM squads means in general you need 15 CSM to equal a 10 model tactical squad over the course of a whole game. GW just keeps making them cheaper, and cultists pricier, but CSM squads need to be almost as cheap as Sisters of Battle to begin to be viable... again this is how out of whack basic CSM are.
The 3.5 codex CSM players loved provided ways to represent Legionaries, with veteran skills and specific signature weapons. While it had some broken options and may have gone crazy with the volume of options, by today standards those veteran skills aren't extreme.
When it comes to Iron Warriors, in the lore there is a schism that splits their legion in to a number of groups, and it all comes down to those who accept mutations, the obliterator virus, and the use daemon engines, daemons, and possessed... and those that continue the old ways of rejecting mutations and prefer using traditional artillery and hordes of fodder. One group headed by a conclave of the their forge masters and sorcerers and the other lead by the various Siege Masters. In the lore Perturabo forces reunification of his legion, but those groups continue to exist and keep a distance from each other.
Night Lords and Alpha Legion have similarly tried to keep the gooey parts of chaos out of their Legions. An Alpha Legion legionary can't exactly infiltrate other groups of marines, as they do in the lore, if they look like a possessed marine. The Night Lords are interesting because their relationship with chaos is kinda ambivalent. They attract a lot of things like Furies and feral heldrakes the roost on the bottoms of their ships... but its relatively passive.
Yeah, is well put, and a absolutely valid opinion.
One I disagree with, of course, but expected being myself an huge fan of ornaments and a Dark Angel player with an over abundance of winged helmets and religious iconography in literally everything. One that thinks Sisters's of battle Exorcist is the most warhammer model ever made, and that believes the more baroque and less tacti-cool the Empire looks, the better (I have Tau to scrach that thing for me).
I love the Excorcist, Throne of Judgement, Imperator Titan and the like as "the most warhammer models". . . I just want my marines to be a bit more pragmatic and no-nonsense, personally. No purity seals, and every guy has extra pouches, bolt pistol, grenades, and other bits of kit. It's just an army aesthetic rather than a 'global' one.
Galas wrote: I just find a little boring when they react to any chaos release asking for less "chaos" when its is obvious they shouldnt want chaos kits but more horus heresy units in plastic.
The issue is that Astartes come in many flavors- the knightly, the 'pretty normal', and the 'tacticool' to some degree. And there's a massive array of little components that work well with a few common torsos and just give the entire model a different 'theme'. You can go and grab some Forge World or third party helmets, shoulderpads, backpacks, and other bits and just make nearly any kind of loyalist you want.
With Chaos, you get "Satan Armor" and you're more limited to "Satan Helmets". Not a lot goes with the armor style of the new marines, as far as I can tell. I might tinker around with them and see if I can find something a little 'toned down but distinctively Alpha Legion Chaos Marines'.
I mean, I can see how people would get annoyed- brand new Chaos Marines come out, great scale and proportions compared to older stuff- but using them is going to make every Chaos Legion look the same with a different paint job slapped onto them.
GW has said the new CSM kit is totally compatible with , at minimun, other marines arms, helmets and shoulderpads. Thats a lot because head, shoulderpads and weapons are the most distinct part of a miniature specially when its on the table.
I admit using the same models with different paintjobs can become a little samey, specially because unlike loyalist marines , with Chaos you literally have two plastic power armoured kits that are not rubrics or plague marines: Raptors and the basic CSM (And I assume, new Havocs), unlike Loyalist and their dozen power armoured marines kits. The solution to that of course is for GW to start doing legion upgrade sprues and sets of plastic heads, etc...
EDIT: Lol I forgot khorne berzerkers but really who would use those?
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
Galas wrote: Is the same as the "chaos" players that dont actually want to play chaos but heresy era marines.
Wait, whats your beef with this one? The heresy era miniatures are beautiful and chapters like Iron Warriors and Night Lords hate warp mutations and remove them, and especially in the case of Iron Warriors the aesthetic of the heresy era mini's is just perfect. Renegade bands in this vein as well seem like a perfectly fine choice.
Man, I keep seeing this claim and it still sounds super fake. Maybe the Night Lords, sure, whatever, but the Iron Warriors are the guys who are famous for the use of Obliterators. That's about as much chaos mutation as you can possibly get.
Hold up, wasn't the reason that they had the largest association with Obliterators because of the Technovirus, which infected metal constructs as well, and because Iron Warriors with metal replacements are so common (due to severing mutated parts) the reason it had such profound effect on them?
It's outright stated multiple times on all the wiki's that this is their relationship with mutations, and I recall reading it somewhere in official GW text, so I'm fairly sure it's not as fake as you suspect.
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P.S.A. I won't read your posts if you break it into a million separate quotes and make an eyesore of it.
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
Galas wrote: GW has said the new CSM kit is totally compatible with , at minimun, other marines arms, helmets and shoulderpads. Thats a lot because head, shoulderpads and weapons are the most distinct part of a miniature specially when its on the table.
They fit. That's what they mean, you can glue them to the models.
The issue I'm talking about is, well... I can wear a tube top, it's just as wearable by me as it is a woman- but when I'm wearing a baseball cap, jeans, and work boots it looks out of place, but it fits.
Galas wrote: The Obliterator Virus wasn't designed by Perturabo alongside Mortarion?
I'm fairly certain it's origin is unknown, there's speculation it COULD be Fabius's handiwork as he expiremented on some of the warp virus's, but it could just as likely not be as there's no ties there.
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P.S.A. I won't read your posts if you break it into a million separate quotes and make an eyesore of it.
I'm the opposite, I've always had some SM in a cupboard never getting painted because I view Space Marines of most chapters to be cartoons with toddler strategies, but now Shadowspear has with its Phobos marines thrown me into a Space Marine painting frenzy. I am all about the tacticool, it's why Tau Stealth suits and the old Storm Troopers and Kasrkin and even Eldar Warp Spiders are/ were some of my favourite units and the reason I keep coming back. Now they've ruined the Storm Troopers with idiot-looking Scions but Phobos is newfound success on the Imperium's side in my book.
Unfortunately I have to make my marines largely Dark Angels (second cartooniest chapter of all after Wolves) because a big chunk of my stuff is from Dark Vengeance, but hey. I've got a Black Templars detachment to balance them out.
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LoftyS wrote: I'm the opposite, I've always had some SM in a cupboard never getting painted because I view Space Marines of most chapters to be cartoons with toddler strategies, but now Shadowspear has with its Phobos marines thrown me into a Space Marine painting frenzy. I am all about the tacticool, it's why Tau Stealth suits and the old Storm Troopers and Kasrkin and even Eldar Warp Spiders are/ were some of my favourite units and the reason I keep coming back. Now they've ruined the Storm Troopers with idiot-looking Scions but Phobos is newfound success on the Imperium's side in my book.
Unfortunately I have to make my marines largely Dark Angels (second cartooniest chapter of all after Wolves) because a big chunk of my stuff is from Dark Vengeance, but hey. I've got a Black Templars detachment to balance them out.
the dark angels are only cartoonyif you go full on the bling, a line company could be pretty basic in apperance
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
LoftyS wrote: I'm the opposite, I've always had some SM in a cupboard never getting painted because I view Space Marines of most chapters to be cartoons with toddler strategies, but now Shadowspear has with its Phobos marines thrown me into a Space Marine painting frenzy. I am all about the tacticool, it's why Tau Stealth suits and the old Storm Troopers and Kasrkin and even Eldar Warp Spiders are/ were some of my favourite units and the reason I keep coming back. Now they've ruined the Storm Troopers with idiot-looking Scions but Phobos is newfound success on the Imperium's side in my book.
Unfortunately I have to make my marines largely Dark Angels (second cartooniest chapter of all after Wolves) because a big chunk of my stuff is from Dark Vengeance, but hey. I've got a Black Templars detachment to balance them out.
the dark angels are only cartoonyif you go full on the bling, a line company could be pretty basic in apperance
Visually sure, but there's always the emo tween backstory to them lurking in the background. It's one of those chapters where the grimderp was painted on extra thick.
LoftyS wrote: I'm the opposite, I've always had some SM in a cupboard never getting painted because I view Space Marines of most chapters to be cartoons with toddler strategies, but now Shadowspear has with its Phobos marines thrown me into a Space Marine painting frenzy. I am all about the tacticool, it's why Tau Stealth suits and the old Storm Troopers and Kasrkin and even Eldar Warp Spiders are/ were some of my favourite units and the reason I keep coming back. Now they've ruined the Storm Troopers with idiot-looking Scions but Phobos is newfound success on the Imperium's side in my book.
Unfortunately I have to make my marines largely Dark Angels (second cartooniest chapter of all after Wolves) because a big chunk of my stuff is from Dark Vengeance, but hey. I've got a Black Templars detachment to balance them out.
the dark angels are only cartoonyif you go full on the bling, a line company could be pretty basic in apperance
Visually sure, but there's always the emo tween backstory to them lurking in the background. It's one of those chapters where the grimderp was painted on extra thick.
true there is that.
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two