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Hi Dakkanauts. I recently got a Imperial Knights Codex and I found my self in a doubt.

In the codex the House Hawkshroud has a Tradition that is different of the one they have on battlescribe.

The problem is I don´t find that it was changed via FAQ

In a conflict between the Codex and Battlescribe, always go with the Codex if you don't find the change in a FAQ (points changes in the big FAQ, other changes in the Codex specific FAQ).

More exactly I mean Oathkeepers. Is it still usable?
I mean, I know there is one Strat tah allows you to use top profile, but this Tradition could save you some CP.

Did you update your data ? What does battlescribe say is house hawkshrouds tradition ?

 p5freak wrote:
Did you update your data ? What does battlescribe say is house hawkshrouds tradition ?

Hawkshroud tradition is from a damage table perspective the wounds counts as being double.

E.g. you have to get a knight paladin down to 6 wounds to make it drop one profile as 7 wounds count as 14 on the damage table.

I know what house houseshroud does. My BattleScribe doesn't say anything about it, it's empty.

Step 1: Refresh your Datafile
Step 2: If that doesn't fix it, post the error to the Datafile Error site

Battlescribe misses in fact the house traditions. But having the codex you have it.

I only thought that something changed after the Codex came out but it is only that the house traditions are not on battlescribe and if they are there I don't know how.

I have battlescribe actualized.

They are on Battlescribe, they should appear at the top of the roster.

Alex_85 wrote:
Battlescribe misses in fact the house traditions. But having the codex you have it.

I only thought that something changed after the Codex came out but it is only that the house traditions are not on battlescribe and if they are there I don't know how.

I have battlescribe actualized.

Are you adding a knight to an Auxiliary Support Detachment instead of a Super Heavy Detachment? Knights in Aux Detachments don't get their household traits according to the codex, which would explain why you're seeing something different. You need a full super heavy detachment with at least 3 lord of war class units to get a household trait.

 Horst wrote:

Alex_85 wrote:
Battlescribe misses in fact the house traditions. But having the codex you have it.

I only thought that something changed after the Codex came out but it is only that the house traditions are not on battlescribe and if they are there I don't know how.

I have battlescribe actualized.

Are you adding a knight to an Auxiliary Support Detachment instead of a Super Heavy Detachment? Knights in Aux Detachments don't get their household traits according to the codex, which would explain why you're seeing something different. You need a full super heavy detachment with at least 3 lord of war class units to get a household trait.

This is correct, but you can still use the house specific stratagems.

That would explain. then no household trait if I just add one Knight? Well, thats a shame.

This was pointed out explicitly at the LVO where the ad mech guy overlooked/cheated by using household trait with just 1 large knight.

Edit: if I recall, there is a paragraph or phrase at the beginning of the traits section explicitly saying so in the IK codex, where there must be 3 large knights in order to access the house traits.

Now I know a Little bit more about Khights. Maybe It is also worth it only have one Knight and do not have Household trait. I will enter slowly to Knights, so first one will be okay also without this traits.

Thanks guys.

Even without a household tradition a single knight in a super heavy aux detachment can still use stratagems to get a warlord trait and a relic. Its still worth it.

 p5freak wrote:
Even without a household tradition a single knight in a super heavy aux detachment can still use stratagems to get a warlord trait and a relic. Its still worth it.

It is, but it's not like Armigers are a bad choice. A Pair of Helverins is a pretty smart addition to many lists IMO, they're fast, have great damage output vs elite infantry w/ invulnerable saves, and are pretty good at anti-flyer duty.

I saw a lot of Knights in action but, every time I see a Galant I smile.

Thinking of running a Gallant? I use them almost exclusively with my Guard army... Terryn Gallants are amazing. For about 100 points more than a Castellan, you can take a pair of Gallants. You've gotta take an armiger (I'd use a Helverin) too, but for ~870 points, it gives you a REALLY scary charge/countercharge unit, which you can make even scarier by outflanking one of them.

I had a game where I was getting soundly thrashed by a Knight Castellan list, he got turn 1, took out 2 of my Tank Commanders, and then on my turn my one Gallant failed a 7" charge (rolled two 1's and a 2....), and got obliterated on his turn 2 by his entire army. My turn 2, my second Gallant comes out of Outflank with a Paragon Gauntlet and Landstrider... and solos 3 Knights by himself. It was glorious. I still ended up losing the game, but it's mostly because I wasn't paying close enough attention to secondary objectives, and I had chosen mine rather poorly (ITC Format) but damn if the Gallants didn't come through for me.

Okay kids, let's take all tactics talk to the proper forum, okay?

 Big Mac wrote:
Edit: if I recall, there is a paragraph or phrase at the beginning of the traits section explicitly saying so in the IK codex, where there must be 3 large knights in order to access the house traits.

It does not say that. You can have 1 large Knight and 2 Armigers to access Household traits, you just need a minimum of 3 large Knights to net 6cp.

SJ

Read the codex again. It says excluding super heavy aux detachment on the page you mentioned.