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My army is battle forged. 2 detachments of Guard.

3rd detachment will be Marines. I take Helbrecht and Tigirius as HQ.

For troops I take Grey Hunters, Black Templar scouts and Raven Guard sniper scouts.

Rules wife, I do NOT have access to Hunters Unleashed, Templars rerolls for charges or Raven Guard -1 to be hit or Ultramarines superawesomeness.

But I do get access to Space Wolf and Space Marine Stratagems.

Thanks for any info.

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General Hobbs wrote:


My army is battle forged. 2 detachments of Guard.

3rd detachment will be Marines. I take Helbrecht and Tigirius as HQ.

For troops I take Grey Hunters, Black Templar scouts and Raven Guard sniper scouts.

Rules wife, I do NOT have access to Hunters Unleashed, Templars rerolls for charges or Raven Guard -1 to be hit or Ultramarines superawesomeness.

But I do get access to Space Wolf and Space Marine Stratagems.

Thanks for any info.
You don't get access to stratagems. The addition of Grey Hunters makes the detachment no longer a Space Marines detachment, as defined in the SM codex, nor is it a Space Wolves detachment, as defined in the SW codex. If you lose the Grey Hunters, you'll gain access to Space Marines stratagems, but no Chapter Tactic.

There is honestly no reason to mix chapters like that.

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Dallas area, TX

Space Marine Stratagems, maybe. You get Stratagems by having DETACHMENTS, not units. And since even the Wolves have the ADEPTUS ASTARTES keyword, your detachment is a Space Marine one, and thus unlocks the Space Marine strats. (Edit: BCB is probably right, though, I don't have the Marine book in front of me to confirm how it defines a "Space Marine" detachment)

You do NOT, however get any Wolf Strats because you do not have a Space Wolf Detachment at all.

You are correct about the Traits not applying either. (edit: as BCB mentions, there is no reason to mix Chapters like this)

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Cool thanks.

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BCB is correct. If you want SM Strategems, you need to cut the Space Wolves.

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There is honestly no reason to mix chapters like that.


I'm ok losing the chapter traits, but I want access to certain space marine stratagems that help the whole army out without having to take a specialized detachment.


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 Kriswall wrote:
BCB is correct. If you want SM Strategems, you need to cut the Space Wolves.


Darn!

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General Hobbs wrote:


There is honestly no reason to mix chapters like that.


I'm ok losing the chapter traits, but I want access to certain space marine stratagems that help the whole army out without having to take a specialized detachment.


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 Kriswall wrote:
BCB is correct. If you want SM Strategems, you need to cut the Space Wolves.


Darn!


Remember that most Space Marine Strategems only work on Space Marine units. Generally speaking, they're not going to help out your Guard dudes at all. I'm assuming you really just want your RG Scouts to be able to use the RG Strategem and your BT Scouts to be able to use the BT strategem, etc.

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Yes, and does the detachment have to be say, pure RG to use an RG strat, or do you just need a unit from the chapter to unlock that stratagem.

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You need a pure detachment to unlock the stratagems, but once that is done they can be used on mixed detachments.

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General Hobbs wrote:


Yes, and does the detachment have to be say, pure RG to use an RG strat, or do you just need a unit from the chapter to unlock that stratagem.
As long as you:
A) Have a SM detachment to unlock all the SM strats (which includes the RG and BT specific ones) and
B) Have units with the RG and BT Chapter tactics, then

You should be fine.

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 Galef wrote:
General Hobbs wrote:


Yes, and does the detachment have to be say, pure RG to use an RG strat, or do you just need a unit from the chapter to unlock that stratagem.
As long as you:
A) Have a SM detachment to unlock all the SM strats (which includes the RG and BT specific ones) and
B) Have units with the RG and BT Chapter tactics, then

You should be fine.

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They don't need the chapter tactics, they just need the keyword.

Example: You have a detachment of ULTRAMARINES (which is a Space Marines Detachment) and a detachment of mixed RAVEN GUARD and SPACE WOLVES (which is not a Space Marines Detachment, but rather a generic detachment bound by the ADEPTUS ASTARTES keyword). The ULTRAMARINE detachment unlocks all stratagems, regardless of the header (as proven by the Dark Eldar Agents of Vect errata). Thus you can use the Strike from the Shadows stratagem (as it's unlocked by the Space Marines Detachment) on the RAVEN GUARD unit in the mixed detachment.

This also works if you take a unit in an Aux detachment. I had a game once where someone took a single Sa'cea Firesight Marksman in an Auxiliary Support Detachment (for some bizarre reason, I don't remember why), which allows for Sept Traits but doesn't unlock stratagems. However, his T'AU EMPIRE detachment does unlock the stratagem, and he used the Sa'cea Orbital Marker Distribution Uplink stratagem to plop down markerlight tokens.

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does this mean i can just throw GSC units into my tyranid detachments because they have the tyranids keyword?
   
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No, you cant. The shared keyword of all units in one detachment cant be TYRANIDS.
   
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dreadlybrew wrote:
does this mean i can just throw GSC units into my tyranid detachments because they have the tyranids keyword?
Not in matched play, because TYRANIDS is a forbidden keyword for binding a detachment together internally.
   
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First off the army is not "Battle Forged" all units from your detachments much share at least 1 keyword in common, and that keyword cannot be "Imperium".

   
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Wagguy80 wrote:
First off the army is not "Battle Forged" all units from your detachments much share at least 1 keyword in common, and that keyword cannot be "Imperium".


Yes it is. The Army Faction can still be IMPERIUM. It's just the Faction Keyword for any single Detachment that cannot (in Matched Play).

For example, you could take 2 detachments of Astra Militarum and 1 detachment of Adeptus Astartes.

You could not (in Matched Play) take a detachment had had both Astra Militarum and Adeptus Astartes.
   
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 Cheexsta wrote:
Wagguy80 wrote:
First off the army is not "Battle Forged" all units from your detachments much share at least 1 keyword in common, and that keyword cannot be "Imperium".


Yes it is. The Army Faction can still be IMPERIUM. It's just the Faction Keyword for any single Detachment that cannot (in Matched Play).

For example, you could take 2 detachments of Astra Militarum and 1 detachment of Adeptus Astartes.

You could not (in Matched Play) take a detachment had had both Astra Militarum and Adeptus Astartes.


Agreed.
   
 
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