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I wonder if this is actual GW testing name?

https://regimental-standard.com/2019/06/05/stc-for-paint-rediscovered/

 Irbis wrote:
I wonder if this is actual GW testing name?

https://regimental-standard.com/2019/06/05/stc-for-paint-rediscovered/

Commissar Trast has the naming rights .

 Azazelx wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

Daemon rich is the name, although if youre a hobbyist you should really already be following, he's a slayer sword winning painter.

That's just .../facepalm

I'm sure the guy that many of us have never heard of is a great painter and a great guy, but your statement is just incredibly presumptuous.

How is that presumptuous? It's just an advisive statement.. You should be following this guy.


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Also, I can't believe people are complaining about extra paint options. I bet if Michaelangelo had had access to acrylic paints he would have used them.

So like many I am anxious to order some paints to try out. Still trying to figure out what "basic" colors I would need for one of three different armies I have on my shelf that seem to be good fit for contrast, Tyranids, Nurgle, and Nighthaunts. Suggestions would be welcome.

That said, my FLGS just posted something about availability that has me a little confused. They claim that there will be no pre-orders for these paints and that only select independent stockists will have the paints on the 15th and only in very limited quanities until the main release on the 22nd of June. Has anyone heard similar?

The first part about no pre-orders seemingly flat out contradicts what has been posted on GW's site about pre-orders on the 8th. However as no sku lists have been leaked from what I have seen and everything pointing to the paints being heavily allocated with indpendent stockists required to have the full size paint rack and committment to minimum orders of every new paint (not just contrast), there seems to be some bit of truth to this. So my theory that reconciles these seemingly conflicting statements is Pre-orders will indeed open in June 8, but only through the GW website and will not be delivered until June 22 and that June 15th is a limited general release with only very limited quanitites on hand for purchase in GW stores and select indpendent stockists. i.e. If you want to have a chance of taking home contrast paints on the 15th you have to show up in stores and hope to grab them before they are gone, otherwise you will be waiting until June 22 to actually get the paints. Thoughts?

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

Daemon rich is the name, although if youre a hobbyist you should really already be following, he's a slayer sword winning painter.

That's just .../facepalm

I'm sure the guy that many of us have never heard of is a great painter and a great guy, but your statement is just incredibly presumptuous.

How is that presumptuous? It's just an advisive statement.. You should be following this guy.

The statement "if you're a hobbyist you should really already be following" can be interpreted as "if you're not following him, you're not a real/worthy hobbyist", which would be a presumptuous and dismissive statement to say the least.

I'm excited to see if this means I can paint up my ogres and savage orruks in record time. They are armies I wouldn't mind seeing in just table top fashion. And they'll make good testers for more important armies.

 Lord of Deeds wrote:
So like many I am anxious to order some paints to try out. Still trying to figure out what "basic" colors I would need for one of three different armies I have on my shelf that seem to be good fit for contrast, Tyranids, Nurgle, and Nighthaunts. Suggestions would be welcome.

That said, my FLGS just posted something about availability that has me a little confused. They claim that there will be no pre-orders for these paints and that only select independent stockists will have the paints on the 15th and only in very limited quanities until the main release on the 22nd of June. Has anyone heard similar?

The first part about no pre-orders seemingly flat out contradicts what has been posted on GW's site about pre-orders on the 8th. However as no sku lists have been leaked from what I have seen and everything pointing to the paints being heavily allocated with indpendent stockists required to have the full size paint rack and committment to minimum orders of every new paint (not just contrast), there seems to be some bit of truth to this. So my theory that reconciles these seemingly conflicting statements is Pre-orders will indeed open in June 8, but only through the GW website and will not be delivered until June 22 and that June 15th is a limited general release with only very limited quanitites on hand for purchase in GW stores and select indpendent stockists. i.e. If you want to have a chance of taking home contrast paints on the 15th you have to show up in stores and hope to grab them before they are gone, otherwise you will be waiting until June 22 to actually get the paints. Thoughts?

That sounds unnecessarily complicated, but funny if true.

Won't affect me as I'm in no rush. I'll buy one or two to give them a try, but I have yet to assemble the designated test models. A week more or less won't make a difference to me.

I'm going to be buying some of these contrast paints to try on my space orks (and later on my flesh tearer marines).

For my Orks I'm wondering what people think the best contrast color for their skin will be. I personally like a lighter more olive drab skin tone for orks as opposed to the Ork Flesh darker green option that they have.

Anyone have any thoughts on which contrast color would best produce a lighter olive-drab? I do like the effect that Plaguebearer flesh had on those gobbos done by daemonrich.

While we’re on the subject of what a skilled painter can do with contrast paint, this one is by Migs.

https://www.instagram.com/p/ByOUzCxnaDM/?igshid=1azr7ymkoguo0

Migs.... That's a guy worth following.


@EE- I'm partial to the green with warp in its name for orcs.

 Geifer wrote:

 Lord of Deeds wrote:

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 Geifer wrote:

 Lord of Deeds wrote:
So like many I am anxious to order some paints to try out. Still trying to figure out what "basic" colors I would need for one of three different armies I have on my shelf that seem to be good fit for contrast, Tyranids, Nurgle, and Nighthaunts. Suggestions would be welcome.

That said, my FLGS just posted something about availability that has me a little confused. They claim that there will be no pre-orders for these paints and that only select independent stockists will have the paints on the 15th and only in very limited quanities until the main release on the 22nd of June. Has anyone heard similar?

The first part about no pre-orders seemingly flat out contradicts what has been posted on GW's site about pre-orders on the 8th. However as no sku lists have been leaked from what I have seen and everything pointing to the paints being heavily allocated with indpendent stockists required to have the full size paint rack and committment to minimum orders of every new paint (not just contrast), there seems to be some bit of truth to this. So my theory that reconciles these seemingly conflicting statements is Pre-orders will indeed open in June 8, but only through the GW website and will not be delivered until June 22 and that June 15th is a limited general release with only very limited quanitites on hand for purchase in GW stores and select indpendent stockists. i.e. If you want to have a chance of taking home contrast paints on the 15th you have to show up in stores and hope to grab them before they are gone, otherwise you will be waiting until June 22 to actually get the paints. Thoughts?

That sounds unnecessarily complicated, but funny if true.

Won't affect me as I'm in no rush. I'll buy one or two to give them a try, but I have yet to assemble the designated test models. A week more or less won't make a difference to me.

Other possibility I thought of is my FLGS doesn't think any pre-orders they take will be delivered and this is their way of messaging it, and while like you at the end of the day it really doesn't matter much if I can get the paints on the 15th or a week or two later, I do like to plan so trying to sort my choices of either order from the GW website or wait and take my chances on the 15th at my FLGS.

fresus wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

Daemon rich is the name, although if youre a hobbyist you should really already be following, he's a slayer sword winning painter.

That's just .../facepalm

I'm sure the guy that many of us have never heard of is a great painter and a great guy, but your statement is just incredibly presumptuous.

How is that presumptuous? It's just an advisive statement.. You should be following this guy.

The statement "if you're a hobbyist you should really already be following" can be interpreted as "if you're not following him, you're not a real/worthy hobbyist", which would be a presumptuous and dismissive statement to say the least.

You incorrectly inferring that from my statement isn't really my problem though.

Its a blanket opinion, its not really that inflammatory.

Surely there are better things to be discussed.

Like how Battle Ready seems to suggest GW is telling people, if its not painted get out.

At least thats an interpretation I have seen from people.

 Redemption wrote:
For the people unable to click the first result in google:
https://www.instagram.com/daemonrich/

Models he painted with Contrast:
https://www.instagram.com/p/ByTeHcuhJoX/
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bx-uet6BmQs/
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bx3RTg2h5Yj/

For the Primaris example, which popped up a few pages back:

I started by priming black and then a zenithal highlight of Wraithbone The marine you can see here is just one coat of Blood Angel Red for the base armour, one coat of Iyanden Yellow for the eagle and one coat of Black Templar for the gun. The gun glow was Aethermatic Blue. I think the blue could have done with a white base colour to be more effective. I added some very quick highlights by hand using Evil Sunz Scarlet, Wild Rider Red and Lugganth Orange, and I painted in the eyes with Moot Green and Yriel Yellow. The gun had some very quick upper edge highlights of Daemonette Hide. I then gave the whole model a coat of matte varnish.

I'd be interested to see which part(s) of the troll involved contrast paints and what/how much was done before and after.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

fresus wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

Daemon rich is the name, although if youre a hobbyist you should really already be following, he's a slayer sword winning painter.

That's just .../facepalm

I'm sure the guy that many of us have never heard of is a great painter and a great guy, but your statement is just incredibly presumptuous.

How is that presumptuous? It's just an advisive statement.. You should be following this guy.

The statement "if you're a hobbyist you should really already be following" can be interpreted as "if you're not following him, you're not a real/worthy hobbyist", which would be a presumptuous and dismissive statement to say the least.

You incorrectly inferring that from my statement isn't really my problem though.

That's exactly how it read and it is your problem if your words are imprecise enough for multiple people to derive a meaning you hadn't intended.


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 Lord of Deeds wrote:
So like many I am anxious to order some paints to try out. Still trying to figure out what "basic" colors I would need for one of three different armies I have on my shelf that seem to be good fit for contrast, Tyranids, Nurgle, and Nighthaunts. Suggestions would be welcome.

That said, my FLGS just posted something about availability that has me a little confused. They claim that there will be no pre-orders for these paints and that only select independent stockists will have the paints on the 15th and only in very limited quanities until the main release on the 22nd of June. Has anyone heard similar?

The first part about no pre-orders seemingly flat out contradicts what has been posted on GW's site about pre-orders on the 8th. However as no sku lists have been leaked from what I have seen and everything pointing to the paints being heavily allocated with indpendent stockists required to have the full size paint rack and committment to minimum orders of every new paint (not just contrast), there seems to be some bit of truth to this. So my theory that reconciles these seemingly conflicting statements is Pre-orders will indeed open in June 8, but only through the GW website and will not be delivered until June 22 and that June 15th is a limited general release with only very limited quanitites on hand for purchase in GW stores and select indpendent stockists. i.e. If you want to have a chance of taking home contrast paints on the 15th you have to show up in stores and hope to grab them before they are gone, otherwise you will be waiting until June 22 to actually get the paints. Thoughts?

There is no contradiction. GW will be running preorders. Your store a apparently will not, because they're not sure they'll get enough stock.

 BertBert wrote:

 Binabik15 wrote:
Great, great stuff. I think the "Contrast will make beginners bad painters" argument can now be safely put to rest. The difference in results between good painters (great painters!) and just slapping Contrast all over is staggering. Like with all things, brush control is key, and a strong understanding of colours and light theory doesn't hurt, either.

I think the argument still stands, as new painters will not be exposed to said key skills. Contrast is marketed as a colour you just need to slap on generously ("One thick coat") and that is exactly what newcomers will be taught in GW stores.

The fact that professional painters can achieve great results with contrast hast really no bearing on the argument.

That's like saying drybrushing is bad because it doesn't teach "key skills". Or washes. Or dips.

In other words there is no argument, it's the same baseless snobbery we've seen since the beginning of time against any technique that isn't based on traditional "all by hand" painting techniques.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 BertBert wrote:

 Binabik15 wrote:
Great, great stuff. I think the "Contrast will make beginners bad painters" argument can now be safely put to rest. The difference in results between good painters (great painters!) and just slapping Contrast all over is staggering. Like with all things, brush control is key, and a strong understanding of colours and light theory doesn't hurt, either.

I think the argument still stands, as new painters will not be exposed to said key skills. Contrast is marketed as a colour you just need to slap on generously ("One thick coat") and that is exactly what newcomers will be taught in GW stores.

The fact that professional painters can achieve great results with contrast hast really no bearing on the argument.

That's like saying drybrushing is bad because it doesn't teach "key skills". Or washes. Or dips.

In other words there is no argument, it's the same baseless snobbery we've seen since the beginning of time against any technique that isn't based on traditional "all by hand" painting techniques.

I rarely agree with yodhrin but he hit the nail on the head. Additionally anything that gets more painted models on the table is a win for me. And given how many of my fantasy armies are itching for paint and how good this looks for flesh I'm all in. And I paint to a pretty high level generally.

It's like darn film photography!

Before you had commercial film you had to work with actual science and skill working the glass plates. You couldn't just fire off 35 shots in one go and then let someone else do all the processing and printing; you had to do it all yourself at home. You got 1 shot and you HAD to make that count!

Darn modern film photographers got it easy with their rolls of film and developing labs and printing firms.....

Except, you could already paint with this technique, people have for a long time. And it doesnt even look that good.
Works on some surfaces, but is complete trash on others.

Oh, i guess im a snob huh.

Here's a weird question, but what do people think of Contrast paints on 15mm models? 10mm? 6mm? Do we think there's a point where details are just too shallow to let this paint do what it does?

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Here's a weird question, but what do people think of Contrast paints on 15mm models? 10mm? 6mm? Do we think there's a point where details are just too shallow to let this paint do what it does?

Interesting question. I'd guess they'd probably be ok on most 15mm (depending on how good the casts there are), but yeah, I suspect you'd start losing the benefits of the paints the more shallow you go. One way to find out...

I doubt there's a "bottom end" to detail level.

Smaller than 28mm models have been "all over washed" with a darkening agent for ever. This is, hopefully, a base + darkening agent in one step, by the look of things.

You might need to use less Contrast on a smaller mini, as I suspect part of the process is that the pigment settles towards the recesses in part due to the way it dries. If you just goober on the paint, like some of these videos have been doing, you might not get the "Contrast" difference of lighter raised parts and darker recesses.

My honest suggestion would be to try *less* than you think you'll need at the start. It's easier to add layers than to take them off.

These paints dry thinner than GW's existing paints (and therefore probably their washes too), they say. They should be fine for 15mm, 6mm, whatever.

I've certainly got my eye on them for 15mm and am hoping to try them out on some Battle Valor models. To my mind the instant shade and highlight would enhance a lot of 15mm games, esp since the models are tiny and whilst you can, its a lot of hours to get every single trooper looking great with shades and highlights.

Contrast paint, again, being a huge time saver. Plus the surfaces are all quite small so the open area issue won't be a problem.

Yeah same as any other new, more efficient technique. Casuals love it because it makes things easier, small time tryhards hate it because it threatens their status as local store alpahs, and actual pros say "hey cool, another tool".

 DanceOfSlaanesh wrote:
Except, you could already paint with this technique, people have for a long time. And it doesnt even look that good.
Works on some surfaces, but is complete trash on others.

Oh, i guess im a snob huh.

That depends. Do you look down on people for not doing things "properly?"

Or do you accept that everyone has a different road, different standards and that, at the end of the day, if somebody has produced a result they are happy with using a cut potato and poster paints then that's ok?

I have seen people demoing this stuff, showing full armies they painted and the whole shabang for weeks now. Yet there has not really been any tutorials or anything to give anyone a clue as to what to preorder, which judging from GW's past releases seems to be the only dang way you will get anything from them anymore.

You would think that with as many sets as they gave out... someone would get it.

 Azreal13 wrote:
... using a cut potato and poster paints then that's ok?

I totally need to try that.
Anyway, these new paints have me excited to paint again, something that hasn't happened in years. So much so that I've already blown a few hundred in a new airbrush and a bunch of Scale 75 paints. I'll definitely be picking up quite a few of these Contrast paints when they come out.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

You incorrectly inferring that from my statement isn't really my problem though.

You really should stop telling real hobbyists, or anyone for that matter, what they should be doing.

To real news: The way that they're choosing to release these (2 week pre-order? staggered release? weird bundles that are mostly non-contrast paints? no full paint sets of the range?) seems odd. I know it's a large new range of SKUs all at once, but I don't recall any of their old, large paint revamps being this unnessecarily complex.


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 DanceOfSlaanesh wrote:
Except, you could already paint with this technique, people have for a long time. And it doesnt even look that good.
Works on some surfaces, but is complete trash on others.
Oh, i guess im a snob huh.

Throughout this thread that I've mostly been lurking in for the past few weeks, you're not exactly acting like someone I'd want to spend time talking to. I'll let you know that much. You've been a braggart, arrogant, unnecessarily dismissive, ill-informed, demeaning... so many of those negative qualities that people refer to when discussing "people on the internet".

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Yeah same as any other new, more efficient technique. Casuals love it because it makes things easier, small time tryhards hate it because it threatens their status as local store alpahs, and actual pros say "hey cool, another tool".

Well put, I think, but I'm not a pro, and I've been using variations on this technique for many years, but I'm also in the third category here. I don't think it's about "pros" but more mature hobbyists - at least when it comes to tools like paint.

I see nothing have changed, anything remotely cricital of the product and the personal insults starts to rain in.