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 JohnnyHell wrote:
Eh, the ‘hype’ seems to be perfectly pitched if people are psyched and this is looking to sell out quickly. But obviously spinning that as incompetence, marketing being boring etc is the forum norm. It’s obviously inconvenient if you don’t get some day one and wanted some but it’s not the apocalypse (different box set, that one!).

Have to agree , the sheer selfentitledness of some posters here is staggering, contrast paints are a significant and permanently available product addition to the paint range, they haven't even been available to preorder and people are worrying about stuff being out of stock???

Element Games

Important Information

We're very sorry to report, due to stock limitations there will be a staggered dispatch for the Citadel Contrast range.

This will cause delays and the pushing back of dispatch dates. We will fulfil all orders placed chronologically and as soon as the stock comes in it will be processed and sent out.

Please be aware when ordering that the dispatch date you are quoted may very much be subject to change.

https://elementgames.co.uk/…/citadel-games…/citadel-contrast

please do note we will be dispatching as many Contrast orders as we can for release on Friday

Looks like the reported stock level issues are going to effect the UK as well as the USA

Several retailers are reporting calls from their GW reps this morning warning them that there will be issues such this this from Element Games on facebook

Yeah I had to place 2 orders with Element Games 1 for release on the 15th and 1 for release on the 28th - 2 lots of shipping but still way cheaper than buying direct (€4.47 each versus €6.30)

To be fair this isn't unexpected. Contrast paints are huge for GW and likely well beyond their own market as well (other miniature companies and such). So chances are this is a vast seller for them and even with their stocks they couldn't supply it all. A few weeks/month or two of choppy supply all then settling down once the buying frenzy is over.

Look on the bright side, if you can't get hold of them yourself you can at least watch the videos and articles that pop up as others experiment with them.

 Overread wrote:
To be fair this isn't unexpected. Contrast paints are huge for GW and likely well beyond their own market as well (other miniature companies and such). So chances are this is a vast seller for them and even with their stocks they couldn't supply it all. A few weeks/month or two of choppy supply all then settling down once the buying frenzy is over.

Definitely a 1st world problem though because people can't get some paints for a couple of weeks

If, as advertised, they are to get rid of mountains of grey plastic that have been sitting idle for years then a few extra weeks won't make any difference

Look on the bright side, if you can't get hold of them yourself you can at least watch the videos and articles that pop up as others experiment with them.

Yes, chances are we'll have a months of lots of badly painted models gracing the web/youtube etc. Like any paint it will time, practice and patience to use well. Those professionals demonstrating them are already highly skilled in control and these paints will need that level of control and to get the most out of them people will still need to practice, brush control etc.

I would not expect it to be long until other companies produce their own version either, likely at lower cost and wider range.

So I tried out GW's paint bundle on their website. The total saving would have been a mind-blowing £1.75,

Thank god for online discount stores!

Also, the new Black Templar Contrast paint was already showing as "not available" for me to purchase.

How is it that GW continually underestimate how much stock to produce?

This campaign has been quite funny so far and so are painters reactions

GW pitch is obviously exaggerated but in a positive tone, they were quite clever bringing in the professional painters and is impressive the interaction they had with the painting community.
People typical reactions to new things is err typical.

I just don't think this is new, or old… is just a paint pot with rich pigments in it, useful for some minis, I do like some of those colours but do I really need to buy more paints since I have hundreds of vallejos and GW and PP etc?

Probably yes

THis is not the paint pot that will rule above all for sure, there is no such thing.

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
So I tried out GW's paint bundle on their website. The total saving would have been a mind-blowing £1.75,

Thank god for online discount stores!

Also, the new Black Templar Contrast paint was already showing as "not available" for me to purchase.

How is it that GW continually underestimate how much stock to produce?

How did you manage that? I just tried and got a saving of over £8 which is nearly 20%…

I’m fine with this stock situation. Means I have to wait longer before I order which means I can watch more YouTube videos before I do to get what I need/want right !

As long as I can get the core colors for my models and a can of each of the sprays, I will be fine. Leviadon Blue, Blood Angels Red, Black Templar, Skeleton Horde, Wyldwood, and Apothecary White are all I really need for my entire army. I might grab Dark Angels Green for my Kill Team, but that is really it. By the time I am ready to paint another army, the stock issue will likely be resolved.

I took the time to go and demo the paints out today, and I have to say, they were far, far worse for me and my usual working technique than I was expecting. I found the paints very messy, since the shading effect seemed to work best with a very saturated, wet brush, which is tricky to control to create smooth, clear color boundaries.

The finished Contrast is also very thin and fragile, which is another black mark against it for my personal use, since I'm very undermotivated as a painter and my projects often need to wait several years to be finished, and the Contrast-painted test models felt like they wouldn't cope with any longterm storage or careless handling without being protected by a clear coat of some kind.

I will not be buying these paints myself, based on these results. I'd go so far as to say I could not possibly create a tabletop standard miniature with them. As many other people have had extraordinary results, I can only surmise the problem lies with my learned painting method, which I've stuck with for well over 20 years at this point

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
I took the time to go and demo the paints out today, and I have to say, they were far, far worse for me and my usual working technique than I was expecting. I found the paints very messy, since the shading effect seemed to work best with a very saturated, wet brush, which is tricky to control to create smooth, clear color boundaries.

The finished Contrast is also very thin and fragile, which is another black mark against it for my personal use, since I'm very undermotivated as a painter and my projects often need to wait several years to be finished, and the Contrast-painted test models felt like they wouldn't cope with any longterm storage or careless handling without being protected by a clear coat of some kind.

I will not be buying these paints myself, based on these results. I'd go so far as to say I could not possibly create a tabletop standard miniature with them. As many other people have had extraordinary results, I can only surmise the problem lies with my learned painting method, which I've stuck with for well over 20 years at this point

Curious my experience it's been quite opposite, while they aren't going to make my style easier i can find some uses for some other projects and we tested to brush off some paint from some minis with the nail and the paint didn't fell as easily as we feared at the beginning.

mixing with a bit of water or just doing a very very thin layer can give a Glaze effect with some colours (as example akhelian green over dark angel and warp lighthing darkened the colours just close to abaddon black and caliban green )

I can say for sure that contrast are heavily dependant in brush control and paint placement , making huge difference how much paint you load in the brush before applying.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
So I tried out GW's paint bundle on their website. The total saving would have been a mind-blowing £1.75,

Thank god for online discount stores!

Also, the new Black Templar Contrast paint was already showing as "not available" for me to purchase.

How is it that GW continually underestimate how much stock to produce?

How did you manage that? I just tried and got a saving of over £8 which is nearly 20%…

Dunno, I have to assume that the paints in my basket were cheaper than the ones that you selected?

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

Dunno, I have to assume that the paints in my basket were cheaper than the ones that you selected?

Or you didn't follow the Terms and Conditions

 Lord Perversor wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
I took the time to go and demo the paints out today, and I have to say, they were far, far worse for me and my usual working technique than I was expecting...

Curious my experience it's been quite opposite...

I tried them as well and it is clear that not everyone will use them in the same way if they use them at all. I liked them but my usual technique involves a lot of washes and edge highlighting or drybrushing. These look great over a pale coloured undercoat with a quick drybrushed highlight and the strong colours of the contrast paints really smooth out the underpainting for a nice finish. Some used two coats for a more even finish and then a quick edge highlight for a finish pretty much identical to conventional layering. To be honest, they are not the be all and end all of paint but added to the rest of the range they make a comprehensive set of very versatile washes. I preordered a dozen of the most useful colours, well of the ones that are still available to buy.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

Dunno, I have to assume that the paints in my basket were cheaper than the ones that you selected?

Or you didn't follow the Terms and Conditions

If I didn’t follow the terms and conditions I wouldn’t have been given any sort of discount at all, would I?

I just tried again, selecting different paints (flesh tearers red out of stock now!), the discount that I received was a slightly less pointless £2.50

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

Dunno, I have to assume that the paints in my basket were cheaper than the ones that you selected?

Or you didn't follow the Terms and Conditions

If I didn’t follow the terms and conditions I wouldn’t have been given any sort of discount at all, would I?

I just tried again, selecting different paints (flesh tearers red out of stock now!), the discount that I received was a slightly less pointless £2.50

I don't know what you're doing then, because selecting:
Grey Seer, Corvus Black, Corax White, Death Korps Drab.
Apothecary White, Leviadon Blue, Shyish Purple.
Biel-Tan Green+Coelia Greenshade.
Contrast Medium

Saves me $15.10 vs individually.

Just put in my pre-order for the Battle Ready bundle. Just went for the basics that I could use right now, and I'll just buy any additional contrast paints from other retailers at a discount. Since I don't need any of the normal GW paints, I just went for two each of the Contrast base paints to fill out that part.

I’m still of the opinion that the only thing that gets painting done is elbow grease, rather than gimmicky paint lines

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

Dunno, I have to assume that the paints in my basket were cheaper than the ones that you selected?

Or you didn't follow the Terms and Conditions

If I didn’t follow the terms and conditions I wouldn’t have been given any sort of discount at all, would I?

I just tried again, selecting different paints (flesh tearers red out of stock now!), the discount that I received was a slightly less pointless £2.50

I don't know what you're doing then, because selecting:
Grey Seer, Corvus Black, Corax White, Death Korps Drab.
Apothecary White, Leviadon Blue, Shyish Purple.
Biel-Tan Green+Coelia Greenshade.
Contrast Medium

Saves me $15.10 vs individually.

I assume there’s a way to purposely pick the cheapest in each option to get a smaller saving, to show GW aren’t great at deals.
And likewise the maximum option to say, they are offering a huge saving.

Base and Shade are all flat prices though right? Except maybe gold or some such.
As are Contrast?
So it would largely depend on your technical


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 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
I’m still of the opinion that the only thing that gets painting done is elbow grease, rather than gimmicky paint lines

Tried it.
The grease reacted very badly with the overall finish.

I'm ordering from element games as they have the ones that are out of stock on gw. It costs 35.88 for the same bundles, plus you can get layer paints like soh green too. I'm curious to try the apothecary white.

Does anyone know what's going to be different about the new armageddon dunes technical to the current armageddon dunes texture?


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Apologies, that's 35.88 with an extra contrast paint, so it's an even better deal really.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
I'm ordering from element games as they have the ones that are out of stock on gw. It costs 35.88 for the same bundles, plus you can get layer paints like soh green too. I'm curious to try the apothecary white.

Does anyone know what's going to be different about the new armageddon dunes technical to the current armageddon dunes texture?


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Apologies, that's 35.88 with an extra contrast paint, so it's an even better deal really.

I don’t think there’s going to be anything different with the Armageddon dunes, just renaming the textures as technicals and I believe bringing them all up to 24ml.

Danny76 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

Dunno, I have to assume that the paints in my basket were cheaper than the ones that you selected?

Or you didn't follow the Terms and Conditions

If I didn’t follow the terms and conditions I wouldn’t have been given any sort of discount at all, would I?

I just tried again, selecting different paints (flesh tearers red out of stock now!), the discount that I received was a slightly less pointless £2.50

I don't know what you're doing then, because selecting:
Grey Seer, Corvus Black, Corax White, Death Korps Drab.
Apothecary White, Leviadon Blue, Shyish Purple.
Biel-Tan Green+Coelia Greenshade.
Contrast Medium

Saves me $15.10 vs individually.

I assume there’s a way to purposely pick the cheapest in each option to get a smaller saving, to show GW aren’t great at deals.
And likewise the maximum option to say, they are offering a huge saving.

Maybe, but I think it’s more to do with overseas buyers getting better deals compared to uk buyers, as overseas prices are higher and so the discounts may appear better

I ordered a few to try them out. >$7 a pot? Ouch!

So they're demoing the paints in store (preorders seem to have sold out or are in the process of selling out.

Tried my planned paint scheme and I didn't feel like I was doing any less work to do the marine, but when I was ready to call it 'done' only am hour had passed so...?



It's definitely not a replacement for the old paints when you're going for a complete and detailed result, but it's probably the closest to a good yellow I've ever done and definitely a way to get your army tabletop quality super fast.

GeeDub blundering a major release I see.
Lots of colours out of stock on pre-order.

I understand this on shorter display life plastic box sets, but with a permanent addition like paint, an overstock is only a temporary problem. GW as lousy as usual with pre-orders.
Especially if the 'net fills up with pics of lousy quick paint jobs over the next few weeks and puts people off bothering.

Any examples of the white contrast paint?

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
GeeDub blundering a major release I see.
Lots of colours out of stock on pre-order.

I understand this on shorter display life plastic box sets, but with a permanent addition like paint, an overstock is only a temporary problem. GW as lousy as usual with pre-orders.
Especially if the 'net fills up with pics of lousy quick paint jobs over the next few weeks and puts people off bothering.

I'm not really sure that there's anything that GW could have done here. There was going to be a lot of demand for these before they were released. But it'll spike quickly, and then drop down to much more normal levels as time passes. Long-term, GW wouldn't want to dramatically ramp up production because then they'd have a lot of wasted production when the demand dropped back down again. Setting up and shutting down production lines takes time and money, so a company needs to be careful about that if it wants to stay solvent. So they'd have two options -

1.) Store up a lot of paints before release. That costs money for the storage space (particularly since paint pots have issues drying up if stored for too long in many environments), and risks giving competitors enough time to get their own products to market immediately after the GW release (or possibly even before if the delay is long enough).
2.) Set a modest amount of stock aside before release, and then hope that the pre-order shortages don't generate too much bad will.

Evidently they chose option 2.

I’ll get mine when I inevitably need to spend a load to get goodies for the Warhammer party day at the end of the month.

Oh good grief. It’s hugely popular, it’s becoming a lasting range, and they’re going to keep making people happy. If there were too many left over on opening weekend, people would say they were too arrogant with their new line. So people might have to wait an extra week. Just...plan, watch, and enjoy it all a week later (and save up to get more).