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I've heard some people say that an Ogryn is actually stronger than Orks and Space Marines, what do you guys think of this?

As for the poll, both have a club to smack each other with.

Well considering that the average Ogryn is about 10-12 feet tall and can rip out the arms and legs of a Space Marine in power armor, I would say that the Ogryn is probably stronger, but the Nob will be more ferocious and more clever. Orks may be brutes, but they know how to fight and Nob aren't just bigger and stronger then the others, but most of them are alse much smarter (some though are still dumb as bricks) while Ogryns are spectacularly stupid. I would still give the Ogryn the edge (provided that both fighters are equally armed) in a one on one battle. Rage is also a factor. Has the Nob lost his most prized shoota? Did someone told the Ogryn that the Ork insulted the Emperor? Is food involved?

epronovost wrote:
Well considering that the average Ogryn is about 10-12 feet tall and can rip out the arms and legs of a Space Marine in power armor, I would say that the Ogryn is probably stronger, but the Nob will be more ferocious and more clever. Orks may be brutes, but they know how to fight and Nob aren't just bigger and stronger then the others, but most of them are alse much smarter (some though are still dumb as bricks) while Ogryns are spectacularly stupid. I would still give the Ogryn the edge (provided that both fighters are equally armed) in a one on one battle. Rage is also a factor. Has the Nob lost his most prized shoota? Did someone told the Ogryn that the Ork insulted the Emperor? Is food involved?

The Ogryn was told that the Ork insulted the Emperor and that the Emperor himself was gonna give him food if he killed it, the Ork just wants to fight because he's an Ork. If it makes any difference, you can replace the regular Ogryn with a bone'ead, since they're a little smarter than the average Ogryn.

Also depends on how big the nob is. Some nob veterans get damn huge and have fought in h2h longer than the Ogryn has been alive.

It may be a pretty close fight all things considered.

Based on the relative stats, the Ogryn should win.

In fluff, who’s writing and what story to they want to tell?

in a fair fight, I'd say the ogryn. Depending on the number of orks around - Waaagh! energy will come in somewhere, and if enough orks are there believing the nob will win, it'll give him more of a chance of landing a lucky blow.

However, I doubt an ork Nob, who we must remember is very experienced, not just big, would square up to an ogryn in a fair fight. If a nob got the drop on an ogryn, I's suspect that he could get a good hit on him, and a nob swinging a club to his head should bring down an ogryn. It's also worth noting that an ogryn has... ...other parts which could be targeted, which the ork (being a fungal entity with no such appendages) could take advantage of. could be different if it were a female ogryn...

surely it depends.. nob size depends on their martial prowess right? but then if the ogryn has been eating his weetabix, who knows. would make a cool duel scene though.

Being a Nob would imply that they're already pretty big and strong enough to climb to that level so while an ogryn would be tough, I'd give it to the Ork.

assuming they're naked (so a feral ork nob, and not one whose clan has meks because I think it's generally assumed Nobz will pretty continuously genetically augment themselves) the ogryn would probably win. You'd have to get to the size of a warboss to easily beat an ogryn.

 some bloke wrote:
if enough orks are there believing the nob will win, it'll give him more of a chance

This is basically how warbosses are made. The number of orks in a group reach critical mass, they can believe hard enough to turn a Nob into a Warbosses!

In a brute force contest typically the Ogryn would take it. Things to note though is a Nob who willingly fought an ogryn 1v1 would likely be a bigger, tougher and meaner Ork nob than the average and as such likely equal the physical power level of the Ogryn. They'd also likely have better equipment.

A more cunning inclined Nob would likely not fight the Ogryn 1v1 and instead employ tricks and other boyz to leverage things in his favor.

Overall I think the Nob is a more "powerful" individual all things considered as they are great fighters, but also likely intelligent (roughly) leaders so that makes them more valuable. In a straight up fair 1v1 put up your fists Ogryn would take it.

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:
Overall I think the Nob is a more "powerful" individual all things considered as they are great fighters, but also likely intelligent (roughly) leaders so that makes them more valuable. In a straight up fair 1v1 put up your fists Ogryn would take it.

Aye. A nob with any brains won't try a 1v1 with an ogryn. Orks are strong and tough, but ogryns are ridiculously more so. Try to find that picture where an ogryn is bending an Eldar jetbike over his neck while the Eldar pilot, lying on the ground, looks on in horror. Ogryns can drag disabled Chimeras across the battlefield! They don't just defeat orks in hand-to-hand, they squeeze them into mushroom ketchup.

Nork likes to kill warbosses by headbutting them off cliffs. Lol.

In one of the novels, a warboss watches a captured ogryn beat up a bunch of his boys and is suitably impressed by its strength and hardiness, but is confused because even though he was the biggest "human" hes seen he isnt their leader. He then notes how the ogryn doesnt fight like a proper boss, but more like a pet or an animal backed up against a corner or something. (he was surrounded by orks who were all trying to fight him in the main ork camp I think)

I dont remember the exact quote, but the scene went ROUGHLY like that. The novel was called blood and honour or something. I dont remember for sure but the novel and its title were generic af except for the first time it was told from an ork's point of view, which was a really awesome part in a really mediocre book

It's worth remembering that Nobz have a huge amount of variety, not just the "codex stats".

For example, highly experienced Nobz are just Warbosses. You can have several "warboss" sized Orks in a large & experienced enough Warband, with each other one just waiting for the one who's beaten them before to kick the bucket.

So while the Ogryn statline definitely beats out a Nob statline, you could reasonably throw them against a warboss to represent a larger Nob veteran in a more experience warband.

 morganfreeman wrote:
It's worth remembering that Nobz have a huge amount of variety, not just the "codex stats".

For example, highly experienced Nobz are just Warbosses. You can have several "warboss" sized Orks in a large & experienced enough Warband, with each other one just waiting for the one who's beaten them before to kick the bucket.

So while the Ogryn statline definitely beats out a Nob statline, you could reasonably throw them against a warboss to represent a larger Nob veteran in a more experience warband.

100% this!

a typical planet bound ork tribe I would say ogryn have the edge. but in a large multiplanitary waagh the ork boys might be the size and strength of that mono planet nobz, and a big waaagh liek Ghazgul's the nobs are going to tower over the mono planet warbosses.

It cannot be reflected on the tabletop this way for obvious reasons, but I would say a nob in ghaz's army could take multiple ogryn. a decent sized waagh band nob would also win. small waaagh ogryn and planetbound orks the ogryn by a mile cleaning up a squad of nobz .

The fun of taking a Bullgryn squad and having them mounted by snotliings that are controlling them with cybernetic implants...…...

Depends on the ork classification I guess.
A Goff, theyre prolly on even footing.
A Deffskull, depends if its painted its stick blue.
Doesnt help that the basic ork is a grot these days.

Voted Ogryn, since the poll seems to not account for kunnin' tricks.

In a FAIR FIGHT, your average Ogryn wins.
In a FIGHT FIGHT, your average Nob wins.

So, Hulk against Abomination?
Hulk wins, 'cause green is better.

I voted the Ork Nob. Whilst the Ogryn may be strong and brutish he simply isnt designed on a genetic level for war. An Ork feels little pain, doesnt really get scared, has a layer of fungal tissue protecting their organs, has extremely good stamina, sharp claws and teeth, a thick skull like an Ogyrn, an innate ingenuity for fighting and using anything as a weapon and the blood lust to top it all off.

The Nob throughout the course of his life would of fought other Orkz, Nobz, different Xenos races (not just Humies, Eldar. Necrons, T'au and Nids) and took part in other numerous war zones. He has vast scars across his body that are a point of pride and a mark of dominance, thick leathery skin that takes multiple stubber and las rounds to bring him down, thick blood that clots wounds quickly, possible cybernetics and prosthetics and the best cherry picked loot that the tribe has to offer that the Warboss hasnt already nabbed.

Orkz arent slow creatures, its just that in 40k we have races that are super humanly quick (space marines, eldar, nids) and Orkz (especially Nobz) bring with them a lot of experience and natural know how when it comes to getting in a scrap. Ogryns are quite drumb humanoids that are fairly clumsy, hate enclosed spaces and need to be told multiple times what to do. They are a species of sub human that has evolved to live on a high gravity world, they have dense bones and stacks of muscle but that doesnt make them good fighters. They are just a wall of brute force and flesh. They dont have any particular fighting style or a large amount of combat experiences. They are strong and resilient but so are orkz.

On the tabletop Orkz simply arent given enough justice, Orkz should be tougher but they arent. A Nob is the same Str as an Ogryn. Way back in previous editions Ogryns were WS 3 and Nobs were 4 (and even further back they we 5).

In multiple instances Nobz have ripped limbs of other creatures even space marines (Purging of Kadillus is one such example, and the Nob also headbutt a marine and it shattered his helmet and crushed the Dark Angels skull. He was more than a match for the squad of Tactical Marines and the Interrogator Chaplain who, in the end had to push the Nob and himself through a window to crush both of them on impact of which the Interrogator only survived barely with his armour absolutely ruined).

In a naked fist fight i would give it to the Nob, he would think smarter,has a more resilient body, is quicker, more experienced, has natural weapons with his claws and tusks, is a lot more ferocious, has a battle lust and anger that rapidly rises with little fear of death.

It would be a close fight but the Nob will come out of it on top with some new scars and a new trophy for his boss pole. With equipment it will go even more in his favour with either a big choppa giving him reach, a pair of choppas to attack with a flurry of blows,a power weapon to cut through armour, a power klaw to crush limbs or a uge hammer to deliver pure blunt damage to the poor Ogryn.

A Bone 'ead would be a better match.

 morganfreeman wrote:
It's worth remembering that Nobz have a huge amount of variety, not just the "codex stats".

For example, highly experienced Nobz are just Warbosses. You can have several "warboss" sized Orks in a large & experienced enough Warband, with each other one just waiting for the one who's beaten them before to kick the bucket.

So while the Ogryn statline definitely beats out a Nob statline, you could reasonably throw them against a warboss to represent a larger Nob veteran in a more experience warband.

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 Jazzylee wrote:
I've heard some people say that an Ogryn is actually stronger than Orks and Space Marines, what do you guys think of this?

As for the poll, both have a club to smack each other with.

Ogryns are bigger than nobs as a rule and even if they weren't, human muscle provides more strength per mass than ork. An ogryn is stronger than a spacemarine. In a situation where they both are armed only with a club (an ogryns favoured weapon) the ogryn should win, on average.

Even though 'who could outsmart who' was not the question, an ork nob, being a junior leader of its kind might outsmart an ogryn. Ogryns are of child-like intelligence and orks are simply very direct thinkers. An ogryn however, is not childlike in temperament- they come from hyper-violent societies of giant cavemen beating the tar out of each other.

With the wargear a nob can aquire- mega armour, custom shootas, power klaws, even chain-choppas, a nob can even have the edge on the battlefield.

Cagematch, two clubs, two enter, one leaves, my thrones are on the ogryn every time.

Is the Nob a Gorker or a Morker?

I feel morkers would hold the advantage here.

I'm going to have to say Nob, it's worth adding that an ogryn is just a big, muscly dude - there's no genetic tampering, just evolution. If an ogryn starts bleeding, he bleeds, he gets weaker. orks are biologically resilient to damage, they heal fast and ignore pain. any Nob would drag the fight out to weaken the ogryn.