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I don't have a ton of experience with the redemptor so take my input with a grain of salt, but I find it performs alright when taking two or three of them. They are not radically expensive and can put out a respectable amount of firepower. Throw in -1 to hit from raven guard or 6+++ Iron hand tactics on top of re-roll auras (which marines have a ton of) and they'll do alright at their cost. They are not meta sweepers or anything of the like, but they far from bad IMO.

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:
I don't have a ton of experience with the redemptor so take my input with a grain of salt, but I find it performs alright when taking two or three of them. They are not radically expensive and can put out a respectable amount of firepower. Throw in -1 to hit from raven guard or 6+++ Iron hand tactics on top of re-roll auras (which marines have a ton of) and they'll do alright at their cost. They are not meta sweepers or anything of the like, but they far from bad IMO.

If they could take double onslaughts they would be Meta AF.

 Xenomancers wrote:
Pretty excited for Primaris Rhino. It probably wont be able to hold gravis though. It will be able to hold hell blasters though. Maybe intercessors.

I have a sinking feeling it will only be able to carry Phobos units. I am otherwise excited for everything shown. Definitely going to pick up more Eliminators (they might be replacing my Lascannon Devastators depending on what Las Fusils do), a Hover Rhino or two, and a box of Infiltrators or two. The Dreadnought is a possibility, but I have two Redemptor kits, one still on sprue. I have yet to field one. We will see.

I don't think this rhino kit is a transport. It looks like there's weapons where the doors normally would be, unless it's a dual kit


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If it can only carry Phobos units it's dead to me

 fraser1191 wrote:
I don't think this rhino kit is a transport. It looks like there's weapons where the doors normally would be, unless it's a dual kit


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If it can only carry Phobos units it's dead to me

A Phobos only transport would indeed be very silly. The whole point of Infiltrators is to block deep strike, which they can do in a transport. Eliminators have Heavy weapons so don't want to disembark. Other than that you just have characters.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:
I don't have a ton of experience with the redemptor so take my input with a grain of salt, but I find it performs alright when taking two or three of them. They are not radically expensive and can put out a respectable amount of firepower. Throw in -1 to hit from raven guard or 6+++ Iron hand tactics on top of re-roll auras (which marines have a ton of) and they'll do alright at their cost. They are not meta sweepers or anything of the like, but they far from bad IMO.

If they could take double onslaughts they would be Meta AF.

8 Heavy Bolters with less range? That hardly seems super on-meta. Two twin-linked Suppressor Cannons however...

The Newman wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:
I don't have a ton of experience with the redemptor so take my input with a grain of salt, but I find it performs alright when taking two or three of them. They are not radically expensive and can put out a respectable amount of firepower. Throw in -1 to hit from raven guard or 6+++ Iron hand tactics on top of re-roll auras (which marines have a ton of) and they'll do alright at their cost. They are not meta sweepers or anything of the like, but they far from bad IMO.

If they could take double onslaughts they would be Meta AF.

8 Heavy Bolters with less range? That hardly seems super on-meta. Two twin-linked Suppressor Cannons however...

Well it would be 8 HB and 2 storm bolters probably cost less too. Str 5 ap-1 is a great shooting profile.

Depends on the meta I suppose. For the same points; 6 hurricane bolters. (Should actually be 12 if they were pointed properly. 144 shots, ew.)

 Stux wrote:

 fraser1191 wrote:
I don't think this rhino kit is a transport. It looks like there's weapons where the doors normally would be, unless it's a dual kit


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If it can only carry Phobos units it's dead to me

A Phobos only transport would indeed be very silly. The whole point of Infiltrators is to block deep strike, which they can do in a transport. Eliminators have Heavy weapons so don't want to disembark. Other than that you just have characters.

Well if it's got like a base move of 16 or freaking 20 where I can get reivers to actually do something and reivers get a buff codex 2.0 then it'll get a pass. It's a couple hoops to jump through but that's the only way a Phobos only transport can be justified imo

ImPhaeronWeasel wrote:I am at the point where Im happy about new primaris stuff. It looks cool and the sight of a whole primaris army makes me smile. Its no where near competitive but its fun collecting them.

Making you smile. Presenting the Avenging Eagles, Ultima Founding Chapter of Legion II geneseed.



I didn't know it until I saw the blurry image, but I could go for a stripped down 'Phobos' Redemptor Dreadnought. Good chance it would be able to close the distance better, and I might not even miss the armor that much if doesn't cost all that many points. Might even be just tough enough to pull heavy weapons that would come pretty close to destroying a regular dreadnought.

As for the repulsor rhino/speeder vehicle. If those are side thrusters, I could it being able to drop Primaris infantry anywhere you might want them on the table fairly quickly since it probably has FLY and could have speeder-like Movement. It could potentially be like a drop pod that ignores deep strike issues in favor of starting on the table and potentially being targeted if not completely hidden. Probably not though. I don't see it being Phobos only in any case. That kinda negates some of the advantage a lot Phobos armor already has.

The Newman wrote:
Depends on the meta I suppose. For the same points; 6 hurricane bolters. (Should actually be 12 if they were pointed properly. 144 shots, ew.)

You'd put a hurricane bolter on just about every model that could take it. Sadly - very few units can take them in any number. They are great on HB centurions though. Which when it comes down to it - I'm taking 3 Cents for 210 over a 160 point redemptor. Any day of the week. Only in a list that runs Gman though.


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 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:

ImPhaeronWeasel wrote:I am at the point where Im happy about new primaris stuff. It looks cool and the sight of a whole primaris army makes me smile. Its no where near competitive but its fun collecting them.

Making you smile. Presenting the Avenging Eagles,Ultima Founding Chapter of Legion II geneseed.

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I didn't know it until I say the blurry image, but I could go for a stripped down 'Phobos' Redemptor Dreadnought. Good chance it would be able to close the distance better, and I might not even miss the armor that much if doesn't cost all that many points. Might even be just tough enough to pull heavy weapons that would come pretty close to destroying a regular dreadnought.

As for the repulsor rhino/speeder vehicle. If those are side thrusters, I could it being able to drop Primaris infantry anywhere you might want them on the table fairly quickly since it probably has FLY and could have speeder-like Movement. It could potentially be like a drop pod that ignores deep strike issues in favor of starting on the table and potentially being targeted if not completely hidden. Probably not though. I don't see it being Phobos only in any case. That kinda negates some of the advantage a lot Phobos armor already has.

Phobos dread would be amazing. An actual decent target for "you can't shoot this unit" and "this unit can reroll all its and ignore cover". That or just bigger squad sizes. Realistically though. If it had a scout move or infiltrate at the expense of maybe being 10 wounds t6 compared to the redemptor. It could be a great option.

and if it's 9 wounds you can bet the redemptor dread will suddenly vanish from primaris armies.

Martel732 wrote:
Sometimes they are. But then, primaris. The point is that its totally random.

I chalk it up more to the over all design philosophy GW has that really over estimates what a generalist unit should pay for points wise and a rule set that rewards a unit doing one or two things very well versus being kinda good at 5 or six things.

Add in that GW seems to seriously over estimate durability vs lethality this edition and you end up with most marine units just not being worth much. In a game with knight level things through around delete the squad on average dice rolls, I'd rather have spent points on guardsmen vs marines.

They have buckets of data telling them there's something wrong.

BrianDavion wrote:
and if it's 9 wounds you can bet the redemptor dread will suddenly vanish from primaris armies.

With no wound degrading? You are absolutely right. That would be nuts. Stinkin' GW tricking me into buy new Dreadnoughts. Like I said in the other thread, if it blocks deep strike, it will be insane.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
and if it's 9 wounds you can bet the redemptor dread will suddenly vanish from primaris armies.

With no wound degrading? You are absolutely right. That would be nuts. Stinkin' GW tricking me into buy new Dreadnoughts. Like I said in the other thread, if it blocks deep strike, it will be insane.

this is all dependant on price of course. GW has a tendancy to be conservitive with Primaris points.

BrianDavion wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
and if it's 9 wounds you can bet the redemptor dread will suddenly vanish from primaris armies.

With no wound degrading? You are absolutely right. That would be nuts. Stinkin' GW tricking me into buy new Dreadnoughts. Like I said in the other thread, if it blocks deep strike, it will be insane.

this is all dependant on price of course. GW has a tendancy to be conservitive with Primaris points.

True, and then they dial them back in Chapter Approved.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
and if it's 9 wounds you can bet the redemptor dread will suddenly vanish from primaris armies.

With no wound degrading? You are absolutely right. That would be nuts. Stinkin' GW tricking me into buy new Dreadnoughts. Like I said in the other thread, if it blocks deep strike, it will be insane.

this is all dependant on price of course. GW has a tendancy to be conservitive with Primaris points.

True, and then they dial them back in Chapter Approved.

yup, as I said my over all impression is GW wants to be very careful with minimizing the perception that Primaris Marines are REPLACING old marines

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2019/07/40k-new-primaris-lieutenant-other-models.html

Snipers are getting Anti-tank....the new Repulsor may be the new Whirlwind....and the new Dreadnaught is, I'm guessing, a new Primaris LT.

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Isn’t the translation of fusil - gun? So las fusils are lasguns? The snipers are getting s3 rapid fire flashlights? Haven’t the primaris stolen enough stubbers from the Guard, now they’re taking their lasguns?!

Breton wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2019/07/40k-new-primaris-lieutenant-other-models.html

Snipers are getting Anti-tank....the new Repulsor may be the new Whirlwind....and the new Dreadnaught is, I'm guessing, a new Primaris LT.

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Isn’t the translation of fusil - gun? So las fusils are lasguns? The snipers are getting s3 rapid fire flashlights? Haven’t the primaris stolen enough stubbers from the Guard, now they’re taking their lasguns?!

They will likely be anti tank weaponry based on their apocalypse profile. While we can't extrapolate specific stats as Apocalypse is much more simplified, they have a statline comparable to a Krak Missile or Lascannon.

Breton wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2019/07/40k-new-primaris-lieutenant-other-models.html

Snipers are getting Anti-tank....the new Repulsor may be the new Whirlwind....and the new Dreadnaught is, I'm guessing, a new Primaris LT.

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Isn’t the translation of fusil - gun? So las fusils are lasguns? The snipers are getting s3 rapid fire flashlights? Haven’t the primaris stolen enough stubbers from the Guard, now they’re taking their lasguns?!

Considering that the Apocalypse version wounds tanks easily, I think it is quite unlikely that Space Marines are going to start toting lasguns. And Fusil translates to Rifle. So these are Las Rifles. So perhaps they will be 36", S8, AP-3, d6 damage weapons.

Breton wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2019/07/40k-new-primaris-lieutenant-other-models.html

Snipers are getting Anti-tank....the new Repulsor may be the new Whirlwind....and the new Dreadnaught is, I'm guessing, a new Primaris LT.

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Isn’t the translation of fusil - gun? So las fusils are lasguns? The snipers are getting s3 rapid fire flashlights? Haven’t the primaris stolen enough stubbers from the Guard, now they’re taking their lasguns?!

kiiinda a Fusil was a specific type of light flintlock Musket. Most famously the word regiment type Fusilier get's it's name from that. what a fusilier regiment was varied from nation to nation (the french for example used it to label standard line infantry as opposed to specialsit infantry) British Fusilier regiments, which are proably the most important one here given where GW is based. And there the original intent of them was to guard artillery. So I can see where this name comes from, these guys are supposed to stay back with our ranged heavies (such as executioner tanks) and provide back up.

Just my guess as to the name *shrugs* most likely someone at GW aw the name and thought it sounded cool

 Stux wrote:


They will likely be anti tank weaponry based on their apocalypse profile. While we can't extrapolate specific stats as Apocalypse is much more simplified, they have a statline comparable to a Krak Missile or Lascannon.

It’s was humor. Or supposed to be. I realize I’m not always as funny as I think I am, but I thought the insanity of sniper rifle vs lasgun as a weapon option choice plus the wise crack about primaris stealing guns from the Guard made it a little more obvious.

Having looked at the video...the Lieutenant appears to be - in a serious action pose with scenic base action legs fit for an assault marine, and a power sword in the pre-thrust position. He does not appear to have a jump pack, or even grab chutes.

The gun arm of the Dread is visible behind him. It’s an over/under barrel config instead of a rotary barrel cannon or a plasma coiled brick. Twin linked Supressor Cannon, las talon or similar maybe? In the wide blurry shot there appears to be some sort of banner bearer, giving me hope we’re returning to command squads instead of needing 6 elite slots to make the command squad you used to have. Actually it just makes me wonder if Vanguard will get an Ancient for people making the 10th company. We already have a vanguard librarian, so the robed guy could be a vanguard chaplain. Who wears white? Maybe it’s the camo pattern or interior of the cloak? It also could be a captain with a backpack banner or something.

I see a 10 man squad, two characters, a hover tank, a dread, and a a three man squad. The 10 man squad is probably the full infiltrator kit. The two characters, one is the LT, one is cloaked like the librarian we already have. The tank and dread look new, and the three man squad looks like camo cloaks, no flying bases, eliminators.

white is apocathary. I could def see a phobos Apocathary. between the camo cloak and temporal corridor I think a phobos Apocathary would swiftly become not an autotyake but certainly the prefered way to take an apocathary

BrianDavion wrote:
white is apocathary. I could def see a phobos Apocathary. between the camo cloak and temporal corridor I think a phobos Apocathary would swiftly become not an autotyake but certainly the prefered way to take an apocathary

Seems odd sense infiltrators have a junior apothecary. I wouldn't say no to a phobos chaplain provided they have faith abilities like chaos. I think those are great.

Not complaining since apothecaries are one of my favorite units. I'm hoping we see something else today. Fingers crossed stuff goes up for pre-order next weekend

BrianDavion wrote:


Just my guess as to the name *shrugs* most likely someone at GW aw the name and thought it sounded cool

I will give it a pass since it is a Primaris weapon, but I can't believe GW hasn't named more (all) of their infantry units with an i- or better yet in- or inter-. Sure, we have intercessors, interceptors, infiltrators and eliminators are kinda close and begin with a vowel. However, where are my interdictors, Interactors, interferers, interjectors, interlockers, interposers, interrupters or intertwiners? So many inter-words going to waste.

Someone said that if the Primaris bikes weren't called accelerators that they would be disappointed. I kind of agree, it's such a bad name it's great. Kinda gets their point across for what they would do. Cards on the table I don't like the name hellblasters haha

 fraser1191 wrote:
Someone said that if the Primaris bikes weren't called accelerators that they would be disappointed. I kind of agree, it's such a bad name it's great. Kinda gets their point across for what they would do. Cards on the table I don't like the name hellblasters haha

Hellblasters are doubly annoying since the gun is called an Incinerator. That would be a fine name for the unit with Hellblasters as the name of the gun since nobody cares what the gun is called most of the time.

Also, my vote for the jetbike unit's eventual name is Expediators.

BrianDavion wrote:
white is apocathary. I could def see a phobos Apocathary. between the camo cloak and temporal corridor I think a phobos Apocathary would swiftly become not an autotyake but certainly the prefered way to take an apocathary

. The robe isn’t that white. It’s the offwhite bonewhite whatever you see on a normal primary librarian or Tiggy or a normal librarian.

On the speculation for the new codex, I’m hoping chaplains as a whole get a revamp. Their Litanies of Hate could be better than a half assed Captain re-roll. Captains ant lieutenants synergize, captains and chaplains don’t - and they should.

I actually think half the Marine problem is that they have to castle because of the auras but also need multiple characters to get the full effect.

Imagine this:
- Base Captain: Reroll misses and 1s to-wound at range.
- Base Lieutenant: Reroll 1s to-hit and 1s to-wound at range.
- Chaplain: Reroll misses and 1s to-wound in melee.
- Librarians: Replace the worst power with one that grants reroll 1s to-hit and to-wound in melee and at range but only for infantry.
- Techmarines: Lieutenant rerolls for vehicles only.

Marines are still aura-dependent this way, but honestly they can't get more aura-dependent than they already are. Everything in the codex is pointed like it's standing next to Gulliman already. With those changes a Marine battalion could afford to spread out to multiple objectives and not hamstring itself doing it.