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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/02 20:34:38
Subject: Include Daemonettes in CSM Iron Warriors-army?
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Guard Heavy Weapon Crewman
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I'd like to introduce some Daemonettes to my Iron Warriors army. Daemons are shown as Troops choices in the codex, but Battlescribe won't let me add Daemonettes since the only Troops choices are CSM and Cultists.
Can I have some daemons?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/02 20:53:42
Subject: Include Daemonettes in CSM Iron Warriors-army?
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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Jedborg wrote:I'd like to introduce some Daemonettes to my Iron Warriors army. Daemons are shown as Troops choices in the codex, but Battlescribe won't let me add Daemonettes since the only Troops choices are CSM and Cultists.
Can I have some daemons?
Yes and no.
Yes, you can summon them via the summoning rules, no they aren't part of the force.
Basically you need to leave points free, instead of 2000 pts your list just has 1750, and then summon.
Personally i would keep your summoning charachter unmarked in order to summon all possible daemons.
Also a batch of standard daemons is easily possible with an average throw so nothing to worry about.
Alternativly go and field a daemons detachment.
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https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/02 22:45:15
Subject: Include Daemonettes in CSM Iron Warriors-army?
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Horrific Hive Tyrant
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Jedborg wrote:I'd like to introduce some Daemonettes to my Iron Warriors army. Daemons are shown as Troops choices in the codex, but Battlescribe won't let me add Daemonettes since the only Troops choices are CSM and Cultists.
Can I have some daemons?
Units being in the same codex is not what allows you to put them in the same detachment. It's all about Keywords. If you want to make an Iron Warriors detachment, all units must have the Iron Warriors keyword. Daemonettes do not. In fact they also lack Heretic Astartes.
Your options as stated above are to summon them or include a separate daemons Detachment.
They are included in the codex simply for summoning purposes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/03 04:01:03
Subject: Include Daemonettes in CSM Iron Warriors-army?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Isn't it better to just run a demon detachment instead of summoning, if you don't plan to summon different units each game?
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If you have to kill, then kill in the best manner. If you slaughter, then slaughter in the best manner. Let one of you sharpen his knife so his animal feels no pain. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/03 06:43:37
Subject: Include Daemonettes in CSM Iron Warriors-army?
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Horrific Hive Tyrant
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Karol wrote:Isn't it better to just run a demon detachment instead of summoning, if you don't plan to summon different units each game?
Pretty much. Unless you just want one unit, in which case at least summoning saves you the CP.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/03 07:30:22
Subject: Include Daemonettes in CSM Iron Warriors-army?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Do the daemons and iron warriors not share any key words? Like chaos? Would that allow a detachment including iron warriors and daemonettes?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/03 07:45:39
Subject: Include Daemonettes in CSM Iron Warriors-army?
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Enigmatic Chaos Sorcerer
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It used to but the larger soup unifying keywords were removed from detachment unifying purposes in matched play.
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BlaxicanX wrote:A young business man named Tom Kirby, who was a pupil of mine until he turned greedy, helped the capitalists hunt down and destroy the wargamers. He betrayed and murdered Games Workshop.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/03 08:23:07
Subject: Include Daemonettes in CSM Iron Warriors-army?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Eldarain wrote:It used to but the larger soup unifying keywords were removed from detachment unifying purposes in matched play.
I don't understand.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/03 08:53:38
Subject: Include Daemonettes in CSM Iron Warriors-army?
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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nareik wrote: Eldarain wrote:It used to but the larger soup unifying keywords were removed from detachment unifying purposes in matched play.
I don't understand.
You can't use Chaos or imperium to form a detachment mixed out of many differing codices.
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https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/03 09:16:44
Subject: Include Daemonettes in CSM Iron Warriors-army?
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Dakka Veteran
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Not Online!!! wrote:nareik wrote: Eldarain wrote:It used to but the larger soup unifying keywords were removed from detachment unifying purposes in matched play.
I don't understand.
You can't use Chaos or imperium to form a detachment mixed out of many differing codices.
But you can use the Slaanesh keyword. So if you have a HQ with the appropriate mark, you can take a patrol/battalion with Daemonettes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/03 09:23:59
Subject: Include Daemonettes in CSM Iron Warriors-army?
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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JakeSiren wrote:Not Online!!! wrote:nareik wrote: Eldarain wrote:It used to but the larger soup unifying keywords were removed from detachment unifying purposes in matched play.
I don't understand.
You can't use Chaos or imperium to form a detachment mixed out of many differing codices.
But you can use the Slaanesh keyword. So if you have a HQ with the appropriate mark, you can take a patrol/battalion with Daemonettes.
But you lose any traits.
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https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/03 12:39:40
Subject: Include Daemonettes in CSM Iron Warriors-army?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Not Online!!! wrote:nareik wrote: Eldarain wrote:It used to but the larger soup unifying keywords were removed from detachment unifying purposes in matched play.
I don't understand.
You can't use Chaos or imperium to form a detachment mixed out of many differing codices.
oh. Was it a FAQ/errata?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/03 13:39:06
Subject: Include Daemonettes in CSM Iron Warriors-army?
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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nareik wrote:Not Online!!! wrote:nareik wrote: Eldarain wrote:It used to but the larger soup unifying keywords were removed from detachment unifying purposes in matched play.
I don't understand.
You can't use Chaos or imperium to form a detachment mixed out of many differing codices.
oh. Was it a FAQ/errata?
Battlebrothers i belive explained this.
It was there to stop brimstone Malefic lord shenanigans and other such annoying nonsense.
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https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/03 13:46:15
Subject: Include Daemonettes in CSM Iron Warriors-army?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Where is Battlebrothers found? My rules knowledge is really poor this edition.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/03 13:59:45
Subject: Include Daemonettes in CSM Iron Warriors-army?
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Painlord Titan Princeps of Slaanesh
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If I were you, which I am clearly not, I would take 20-30 Daemonettes with a Herald and use the DotW strategem to DS them.
Take them as a Patrol, take your IW as a Battalion, get traits/loci, profit.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/03 16:18:22
Subject: Include Daemonettes in CSM Iron Warriors-army?
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Norn Queen
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Straight from the Data Authors: https://github.com/BSData/wh40k/issues/2861 wrote:Please see #2445. We made the decision to remove them to help avoid confusion for users. Having them in the CSM catalogues made it too easy for users to mistakenly make invalid "Chaos Space Marine" detachments by including Daemons. You can still add Daemons to a CSM army by adding a separate detachment, or a child detachment if you deliberately want to make a non-CSM detachment (or non-Chaos Daemons detachment).
I am sorry that by "helping avoid confusion for users" they have simply caused confusion. Apparently wanting the Battlescribe people to follow the rules is childish. -shrug- And in any case, you can't include Daemons as a Troops choice without breaking Detachment Trait or Matched Play legality, so you either need their own detachment anyway or summon them in.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/06/03 16:45:50
Subject: Include Daemonettes in CSM Iron Warriors-army?
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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The only issue with BattleScribe some users have is being polite to people when asking them to do free work to make their hobby easier. Honestly, that disagreement you mention was a year ago... and the response you got was based on your posting style of calling them e.g. “lazy”.
Tbh their reasoning seems largely sound, as you can manage it if you need to, but avoids people casually making a big error and believing it game legal.
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Stormonu wrote:For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules" |
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