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So realisticaly GW can start to think about updating Grey Knights in what 2-3 years, so a new codex would be there in 2024? Am not sure they even have a plan that far in the future though.

 Karhedron wrote:

 Overread wrote:
GW has also been doing quite a few lore stories on Eldar and Eldar are one of the 40K factions with the most out of date model line at present in terms of still having a lot of finecast and very old plastics. So I would put some money on them getting a BIG revamp at some stage; which might well come with new models and an excuse for GW to revamp their codex at the same time.

I agree that some sort of Eldar seems likely. Recent rumour engine images suggest this too.

Spoiler:

Totally agree that something is on the horizon for Eldar, which is making me very happy. I don't know if this is going to be a proper Ynnari Codex with GW using the WD as a test for what they want to do with them, or just an update on some models in conjunction with a new campaign. A new Avatar and aspect warriors would be very welcomed though.

A campaign around the Crone Worlds would be good especially if it pitched new Emperors Children vs some new Eldar, throw in Necrons and then perhaps Eldrad calls for aid from Guilleman or we see the rise of another Primarch?

 Paull wrote:
It's gone awfully quiet on the old Codex front since.

the last full codex for 40k was released back in February with Genestealer Cults (the Chaos codex in may was more like a re-print that a full rework). Now that 8th edition has been out for a while and we've no longer got any index armies when do you think we start seeing the cycle of codex start anew? June seems to have been dominated so far by contrast so does that mean we will be looking at July onwards for the next book? (probably Chaos Knights?)

The current lull is partially due to a customs hold-up, specifically with Sylvaneth.

On the 40k front, Mechanicum are getting their new vehicles, Primaris will have that new brick with guns taped on, Chaos Knights are coming ('codex' and all), Armaggedon is coming (whatever that is actually going to entail) and Sisters at least toward the end of the year.
AoS side, Warcry is the big upcoming release, at least assuming it isn't delayed by customs people or absurdly limited like Looncurse.


The biggest 'problem' at the moment is they went from daily updates to a confused muddled in the wake of the Sylvaneth delay. Paints are fine and all, but there is realistically only so much to say before it comes down to people trying them.

Mostly its perception. The rush to push codexes out right after the indexes was bizarre, and created a weird sense of expectation. That's pretty much done now (yes, yes, minor factions, sisters, whatever), so expect a more sensible output schedule.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
As stated above - new models = new codex.

They're not going to retread codexes barring a total revamp for GK.

In addition to Chaos Knights we should expect a Primaris book likely along with the new tank and whatever other vehicles pop up. And then Sisters at the end of the year.

We might even see SoB as early as October-September, given the preview model, the fact that the codex should be pretty well done by now(they ended the feedback window in January), and the fact that they'll definitely run out of Battle Sister Bulletin stuff by then.


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Karol wrote:
So realisticaly GW can start to think about updating Grey Knights in what 2-3 years, so a new codex would be there in 2024? Am not sure they even have a plan that far in the future though.

Supposedly their product pipeline is mapped out for 3-5 years ahead.

My local GW manager said he expects SoB in September or October. I know that’s no sure thing, but at least that is their intention.

I suspect we will be getting a new Ad Mech book soon as there is two new vechicles and the new HQ, the Manipulus, and the mini knights. The book is one of the older ones that does need an update as well.

My guess is that after Sisters of Battle there may be a few updates here and there (2.0 codex-style) but that will be cover for their ultra-secret release of Codex: Dwarvenkin (or whatever GW name they come up with that means "Squats").

I'm serious.

We've seen Custodes come out of nowhere, Genestealer Cult fleshed out, a Sisters codex, and a bunch of homages to early editions of the game. So why wouldn't GW take the chance to reboot an army from essentially scratch and sell us a whole new line of books and models? The oft-quoted Jervis reasons for why they were cut could easily be solved with a re-launch and the nostalgia appeal is something they have been working this edition already.

 greyknight12 wrote:
My guess is that after Sisters of Battle there may be a few updates here and there (2.0 codex-style) but that will be cover for their ultra-secret release of Codex: Dwarvenkin (or whatever GW name they come up with that means "Squats").

I'm serious.

We've seen Custodes come out of nowhere, Genestealer Cult fleshed out, a Sisters codex, and a bunch of homages to early editions of the game. So why wouldn't GW take the chance to reboot an army from essentially scratch and sell us a whole new line of books and models? The oft-quoted Jervis reasons for why they were cut could easily be solved with a re-launch and the nostalgia appeal is something they have been working this edition already.

Dwarves Exist.

They're called Demiurg.

A race allied with the Tau. But I'd rather see Lost and the Damned than Squats or any varation of dwarves tbh.

Sisters of Battle are expected for winter, I think we're the only faction that doesn't have a full codex yet.

There will probably be SM Mk.II coming soon, possibly between us and now.


As for new factions, I'd like to see chaos cultists done with the themes of the genestealers. I'm actually really disappointed with the GSC, because I feel like the air of "liberation from the tyranny" and popular uprising should have gone to the insurrectionist faction that's actually converting people based on the meaning of it's message as opposed to rapey mind control. Genestealers should have stuck to being the Mafia and the monster in the closet, and let the chaos cultists be the IRA and Mujahideen; there's still room in those themes though.

I wouldn’t mind if they gave full codex treatment to some of the lesser fleshed out subfactions - Salamanders, White Scars, etc. for marines, the other Chaos legions, Iyanden, Aliatioc, etc. for Aeldari and so on.

Yeah, they really wouldn’t be that interesting without 3-4 custom units per faction, but I think GW could come up with some upgrade sprues and maybe a few full-blown unique units that would be fun additions to the game.

At least, I wish they’d do a Salamanders and Farsight enclave, both could use some custom units (Vulkite weapons for the former, perhaps a Chinese/Korean bend to the Farsight enclave.

 Stormonu wrote:
I wouldn’t mind if they gave full codex treatment to some of the lesser fleshed out subfactions - Salamanders, White Scars, etc. for marines, the other Chaos legions, Iyanden, Aliatioc, etc. for Aeldari and so on.

Yeah, they really wouldn’t be that interesting without 3-4 custom units per faction, but I think GW could come up with some upgrade sprues and maybe a few full-blown unique units that would be fun additions to the game.

At least, I wish they’d do a Salamanders and Farsight enclave, both could use some custom units (Vulkite weapons for the former, perhaps a Chinese/Korean bend to the Farsight enclave.

I mean this in the nicest way possible but the absolute last thing 40k needs is MORE marines.

ERJAK wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
As stated above - new models = new codex.

They're not going to retread codexes barring a total revamp for GK.

In addition to Chaos Knights we should expect a Primaris book likely along with the new tank and whatever other vehicles pop up. And then Sisters at the end of the year.

We might even see SoB as early as October-September, given the preview model, the fact that the codex should be pretty well done by now(they ended the feedback window in January), and the fact that they'll definitely run out of Battle Sister Bulletin stuff by then.


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Karol wrote:
So realisticaly GW can start to think about updating Grey Knights in what 2-3 years, so a new codex would be there in 2024? Am not sure they even have a plan that far in the future though.

Supposedly their product pipeline is mapped out for 3-5 years ahead.

They ran out of bulletin stuff after like #3, nothing was said that wasn't already known. Its crazy how much of a stall train that bulletin is. They fluff piece wasn't even new fluff. They could at least be spoiling some form of rules or stratagems at this point.

 Darnok wrote:
I'm eagerly anticipating a 2.0 version of Codex: Chaos Daemons. A couple of completely new units, a variety up updated datasheets, it really deserves it as much as the CSM one.

Hopefully it's better than the chaos 2.0. They tweaked the rules for one single unit in that "update" and refused to fix any of the problems with it.

 Karnij wrote:

 Darnok wrote:
I'm eagerly anticipating a 2.0 version of Codex: Chaos Daemons. A couple of completely new units, a variety up updated datasheets, it really deserves it as much as the CSM one.

Hopefully it's better than the chaos 2.0. They tweaked the rules for one single unit in that "update" and refused to fix any of the problems with it.

He now, ATLEAST one subfaction of CSM can field, well you know, actual CSM now.
It just needed another nerf for cultists and massive CP bonus for that to happen.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Karnij wrote:

 Darnok wrote:
I'm eagerly anticipating a 2.0 version of Codex: Chaos Daemons. A couple of completely new units, a variety up updated datasheets, it really deserves it as much as the CSM one.

Hopefully it's better than the chaos 2.0. They tweaked the rules for one single unit in that "update" and refused to fix any of the problems with it.

He now, ATLEAST one subfaction of CSM can field, well you know, actual CSM now.
It just needed another nerf for cultists and massive CP bonus for that to happen.

And getting a ridiculous subfaction that can deal out 18 mortal wounds with a 86 point character and 2 cp.

Caprican wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Karnij wrote:

 Darnok wrote:
I'm eagerly anticipating a 2.0 version of Codex: Chaos Daemons. A couple of completely new units, a variety up updated datasheets, it really deserves it as much as the CSM one.

Hopefully it's better than the chaos 2.0. They tweaked the rules for one single unit in that "update" and refused to fix any of the problems with it.

He now, ATLEAST one subfaction of CSM can field, well you know, actual CSM now.
It just needed another nerf for cultists and massive CP bonus for that to happen.

And getting a ridiculous subfaction that can deal out 18 mortal wounds with a 86 point character and 2 cp.

How exactly?

 KingGarland wrote:
I suspect we will be getting a new Ad Mech book soon as there is two new vechicles and the new HQ, the Manipulus, and the mini knights. The book is one of the older ones that does need an update as well.

I seriously doubt this.

Knights never really belonged in the Admech codex to begin with, they were just bolted on with incredibly limited synergy.

Aside from the knights, 3 new units don't justify the reprint of a codex.

Strategems are fine, better than what a lot of factions get.

Canticals could use a rework, especially the 'On a 6 a unit within 1' of an enemy unit does mortal wounds' one, which is completely useless. Our relics are also very useless.

Not Online!!! wrote:

Caprican wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Karnij wrote:

 Darnok wrote:
I'm eagerly anticipating a 2.0 version of Codex: Chaos Daemons. A couple of completely new units, a variety up updated datasheets, it really deserves it as much as the CSM one.

Hopefully it's better than the chaos 2.0. They tweaked the rules for one single unit in that "update" and refused to fix any of the problems with it.

He now, ATLEAST one subfaction of CSM can field, well you know, actual CSM now.
It just needed another nerf for cultists and massive CP bonus for that to happen.

And getting a ridiculous subfaction that can deal out 18 mortal wounds with a 86 point character and 2 cp.

How exactly?

Black Legion, Theres a Chainsword Relic and a Warlord Trait that each give Mortal wounds on wound rolls of 6+ (not unmodified). Which you can get up to doing 2 MWs on 4+s to Wounds, 7 Attacks with the Relic, 1 with the Regular Chainsword, and against imperium you get 6+ is additional attacks, rerolling misses because its a Lord. its an average of 10 MWs against anything and 18 against imperium. Not to mention the sword itself is -3 AP, Damage 2. As usual, Chaos gets a better version of everything that imperium gets. Its bad enough that there is no Imperium DP equivalent, now they just get better smash captain for cheaper. And its 93 Points, sorry.

Caprican wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

Caprican wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Karnij wrote:

 Darnok wrote:
I'm eagerly anticipating a 2.0 version of Codex: Chaos Daemons. A couple of completely new units, a variety up updated datasheets, it really deserves it as much as the CSM one.

Hopefully it's better than the chaos 2.0. They tweaked the rules for one single unit in that "update" and refused to fix any of the problems with it.

He now, ATLEAST one subfaction of CSM can field, well you know, actual CSM now.
It just needed another nerf for cultists and massive CP bonus for that to happen.

And getting a ridiculous subfaction that can deal out 18 mortal wounds with a 86 point character and 2 cp.

How exactly?

Black Legion, Theres a Chainsword Relic and a Warlord Trait that each give Mortal wounds on wound rolls of 6+ (not unmodified). Which you can get up to doing 2 MWs on 4+s to Wounds, 7 Attacks with the Relic, 1 with the Regular Chainsword, and against imperium you get 6+ is additional attacks, rerolling misses because its a Lord. its an average of 10 MWs against anything and 18 against imperium. Not to mention the sword itself is -3 AP, Damage 2. As usual, Chaos gets a better version of everything that imperium gets. Its bad enough that there is no Imperium DP equivalent, now they just get better smash captain for cheaper. And its 93 Points, sorry.

You are addorable.
You will sacrifice more then 2 CP for it. (infact you probably are not even using Votwl but instead Khornate double fighting for 3 CP)

Secondly it is a strictly worse smash captain, it's also a blender, you know what is also a blender a DP or a LoD, or Khorne berzerks, each of which are blenders that are better.

Thirdly, if you want to complain, how about you go and math out the cost of the required CP for Chaos. Go on i'll wait.

Fourth a CHAOS LORD DOES NOT REROLL MISSES; HE REROLLS 1's

Fifth: That thing has still Strength 4.

Sixth: Check your math again, because that ain't half right

Seventh, incase you don't want to check your math, ATLEAST SHOW ALL THE REQUIRED BUFFS TO GET THIS STELLAR RATE ALL THE TIME.

Not Online!!! wrote:

Caprican wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

Caprican wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Karnij wrote:

 Darnok wrote:
I'm eagerly anticipating a 2.0 version of Codex: Chaos Daemons. A couple of completely new units, a variety up updated datasheets, it really deserves it as much as the CSM one.

Hopefully it's better than the chaos 2.0. They tweaked the rules for one single unit in that "update" and refused to fix any of the problems with it.

He now, ATLEAST one subfaction of CSM can field, well you know, actual CSM now.
It just needed another nerf for cultists and massive CP bonus for that to happen.

And getting a ridiculous subfaction that can deal out 18 mortal wounds with a 86 point character and 2 cp.

How exactly?

Black Legion, Theres a Chainsword Relic and a Warlord Trait that each give Mortal wounds on wound rolls of 6+ (not unmodified). Which you can get up to doing 2 MWs on 4+s to Wounds, 7 Attacks with the Relic, 1 with the Regular Chainsword, and against imperium you get 6+ is additional attacks, rerolling misses because its a Lord. its an average of 10 MWs against anything and 18 against imperium. Not to mention the sword itself is -3 AP, Damage 2. As usual, Chaos gets a better version of everything that imperium gets. Its bad enough that there is no Imperium DP equivalent, now they just get better smash captain for cheaper. And its 93 Points, sorry.

You are addorable.
You will sacrifice more then 2 CP for it. (infact you probably are not even using Votwl but instead Khornate double fighting for 3 CP)

Secondly it is a strictly worse smash captain, it's also a blender, you know what is also a blender a DP or a LoD, or Khorne berzerks, each of which are blenders that are better.

Thirdly, if you want to complain, how about you go and math out the cost of the required CP for Chaos. Go on i'll wait.

Fourth a CHAOS LORD DOES NOT REROLL MISSES; HE REROLLS 1's

Fifth: That thing has still Strength 4.

Sixth: Check your math again, because that ain't half right

Seventh, incase you don't want to check your math, ATLEAST SHOW ALL THE REQUIRED BUFFS TO GET THIS STELLAR RATE ALL THE TIME.

Okay if you want to go with double fighting then 3CP is well worth another 10 MWs. Red Corsairs Cost per CP is minimal at best? Its strength 6, Requires 1 Psychic Power, 1 Prayer, and a CP for Veterans. for 93 Points this takes out far more than a smash captain does. Chaos whineboys are the best, complain while your army top 4s every tournament, the entirety of 8th. You have the best psyker in the game, the best powers in the game, and arguably some of the most broken and undercosted Strats in the game. I would kill to have ANY source of mortal wounds in my Armies (Sisters, Tau, Wolves). You also have some of the best point efficient troops in the form of daemons. So I'm not really sure what you're complaining about. With Abbadon you reroll all hits, but with a WS of 2+ rerolling 1s is the same. You are aware that smash capts are blenders as well, T4 doesn't go very far against Dakka.

Okay if you want to go with double fighting then 3CP is well worth another 10 MWs. Red Corsairs Cost per CP is minimal at best? Its strength 6, Requires 1 Psychic Power, 1 Prayer, and a CP for Veterans. for 93 Points this takes out far more than a smash captain does. Chaos whineboys are the best, complain while your army top 4s every tournament, the entirety of 8th. You have the best psyker in the game, the best powers in the game, and arguably some of the most broken and undercosted Strats in the game. I would kill to have ANY source of mortal wounds in my Armies (Sisters, Tau, Wolves). You also have some of the best point efficient troops in the form of daemons. So I'm not really sure what you're complaining about. With Abbadon you reroll all hits, but with a WS of 2+ rerolling 1s is the same. You are aware that smash capts are blenders as well, T4 doesn't go very far against Dakka.

Ohhh boy, check your math again:
CSM lord 4 Attacks, base, Ghorvex teeth +2, Chainsword +1 SO that is 7. ---> for simplicitis sake that are 7 hits of which you generated on average 2 Mortal wound. 8 attacks which still on average genereate one 2 MW if you manage to get diabolical off. (not to mention that you could get unlucky and the 6 wound roll is on the chainsword)

HOWEVER, you have a 1/3 fail chance on the DA prayer, another 4/11 that you fail the Power.

Here's the kicker, the cheapest caster that is mobile enough costs what? 112 pts? wait, i thought this combo costs "only" 93 pts because the other HQ's don't have a prictag of their own
Oh and a prayer you say, 100 pts extra please. oh wait, the DA has no mobility, you get the boost once maybee, if you get into melee....
CP cost for CSM (305/8 at the best rate meaning 38.125 / CP, now we look over to guard. 180/5 meaning 36/Cp

So in total we are not talking about 10 MW's
We are also neither talking about 5,
Infact we may be talking about 4 if we spend 3CP and pay 305 pts in HQ, for a one hit wonder. (not to mention another 114.375 pts due to CP)

Scuse me what was that 93 pts? I would love to have such a unit aswell, but alas i only get that by stacking and picking actual meh units (like the DA because he is rather expensive)

So your argument is that chaos has one legion restricted relic that's really good, therefore they're amazing and it counteracts all the glaring design flaws with the codex?

The other armies I collect have so many great relics, most of which aren't locked to a single faction. A single decent relic that also requires a warlord trait to do what you want isn't the be all.

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
Possibly either World Eaters or Emperor's Children near the end of the year.

Do World Eaters really have enough behind them to have a whole codex to themselves? Maybe when they bring out new Berserker models... they'll then bundle a codex in with Emperor's Children in a "Wrath and Rapture" style 40K setting.

 Karnij wrote:
So your argument is that chaos has one legion restricted relic that's really good, therefore they're amazing and it counteracts all the glaring design flaws with the codex?

The other armies I collect have so many great relics, most of which aren't locked to a single faction. A single decent relic that also requires a warlord trait to do what you want isn't the be all.

Chaos's codex really can't afford to get too much better until they fix their forgeworld stuff.

ERJAK wrote:

 Karnij wrote:
So your argument is that chaos has one legion restricted relic that's really good, therefore they're amazing and it counteracts all the glaring design flaws with the codex?

The other armies I collect have so many great relics, most of which aren't locked to a single faction. A single decent relic that also requires a warlord trait to do what you want isn't the be all.

Chaos's codex really can't afford to get too much better until they fix their forgeworld stuff.

Fix their FW stuff?
What has the FW stuff to do with Chaos Space marines, also considering that FW units seem to NOT be picked all that often beyond some dreds which are also picked by SM i do wonder what your sentiment entails.
Of course they could Fix R&H but at this stage that would require a propper rewrote and i don't think they will do that.

Not Online!!! wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 Karnij wrote:
So your argument is that chaos has one legion restricted relic that's really good, therefore they're amazing and it counteracts all the glaring design flaws with the codex?

The other armies I collect have so many great relics, most of which aren't locked to a single faction. A single decent relic that also requires a warlord trait to do what you want isn't the be all.

Chaos's codex really can't afford to get too much better until they fix their forgeworld stuff.

Fix their FW stuff?
What has the FW stuff to do with Chaos Space marines, also considering that FW units seem to NOT be picked all that often beyond some dreds which are also picked by SM i do wonder what your sentiment entails.
Of course they could Fix R&H but at this stage that would require a propper rewrote and i don't think they will do that.

That several Chaos lists have been using Forgeworld units (specifically dreadnoughts that are on the whole superior to their loyalist counterparts due to their unique weapon options) to place extremely high at many large competitive events. Whether you want to acknowledge these units as powerful or not is irrelevant. Their placings speak for themselves.

Buffing the rest of the codex is fine, but if they do so without keeping these units in mind, it might create balance issues.

ERJAK wrote:

 Karnij wrote:
So your argument is that chaos has one legion restricted relic that's really good, therefore they're amazing and it counteracts all the glaring design flaws with the codex?

The other armies I collect have so many great relics, most of which aren't locked to a single faction. A single decent relic that also requires a warlord trait to do what you want isn't the be all.

Chaos's codex really can't afford to get too much better until they fix their forgeworld stuff.

I don't believe I said anything about necessarily making chaos more powerful, I said fix the design flaws. Such as the fact that you yourself pointed out on having to rely on forgeworld dreadnoughts to have any chance with chaos, but also a host of poorly written rules.

TarkinLarson wrote:

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
Possibly either World Eaters or Emperor's Children near the end of the year.

Do World Eaters really have enough behind them to have a whole codex to themselves? Maybe when they bring out new Berserker models... they'll then bundle a codex in with Emperor's Children in a "Wrath and Rapture" style 40K setting.

That has never really been an issue with chapter/legion specific codexes. The unique model lines have always been very thin.

On the other hand, it'd be nice to open back up to Khorne caring not how the blood flows, and not just be 100% melee psycho killers all the time.

Voss wrote:

TarkinLarson wrote:

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
Possibly either World Eaters or Emperor's Children near the end of the year.

Do World Eaters really have enough behind them to have a whole codex to themselves? Maybe when they bring out new Berserker models... they'll then bundle a codex in with Emperor's Children in a "Wrath and Rapture" style 40K setting.

That has never really been an issue with chapter/legion specific codexes. The unique model lines have always been very thin.

On the other hand, it'd be nice to open back up to Khorne caring not how the blood flows, and not just be 100% melee psycho killers all the time.

You mean you want the more tactical sphere of khorne portrayed, along the lines of bloodpact, zhufor, etc?
I mean sure?

 bullyboy wrote:
Just give me an Eldar Knight codex with a few new models (scout version) and I'd be golden.

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