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Breton wrote:

Table wrote:
Its best not to look to into GW lore past a general overview. The last time I tried it I wanted to find out how many Thousand Son Rubrics were in existence. And I found out that there are tens of thousands and the kicker.....there are a equal number of Scarab Occult Terminators. This is straight from the codex under the force org section. Cant get more Canon than a codex.

My point being. When dealing with 40k you just kinda except that headcanon is required. The company even says so. But the official line is Codex > BL. Which is a damn good thing if you have read some of the "better" novels.

That being said. I always found it quite immersion breaking when the exeterminatus on ALL invaded planets is brought up. Yes yes, the empire is huge and countless so one planet wont matter. But the problem is there is ALOT of chaos marines and even way more demons. Why even defend the worlds at all?

Exterminatus should be rare and the last choice as it is akin to cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Really want to bake your noodle? Its been 10,000 years. If only so many as 20 Rubric Marines die per year... that's 200,000 TSons just in Rubric Marines. At the start of the Heresy, they were 85,000 strong.

Yes, that's good stuff. But what really gets me is the SoT's. Knowing how rare terminator armors are, and reading that the Tsons have tens of thousands of them. I mean are they even trying anymore? Are interns writing the force org chapters? Sure 10k SoT's seems super cool, until you understand the lore. Then it becomes slowed fast. Im pretty sure the 1ksons are not alone in this treatment.

 Kroem wrote:
I'm always a bit bemused by the enduring fascination people have with loyalists from the traitor legions...

In any case I don't think it is likely. Given the initiation ritual for the Exorcists, you would want to use the most stable geneseed available i.e Ultramarine.
Using geneseed from a legion which has proven unable to resist the lure of Chaos doesn't seem sensible to me.

Maybe the Exorcists were created by the Old Ones?

Well given the proportion of Successors being descendants of the Ultramarines, they have most likely produced the highest number of traitors since the heresy

Engrenages wrote:

 Kroem wrote:
I'm always a bit bemused by the enduring fascination people have with loyalists from the traitor legions...

In any case I don't think it is likely. Given the initiation ritual for the Exorcists, you would want to use the most stable geneseed available i.e Ultramarine.
Using geneseed from a legion which has proven unable to resist the lure of Chaos doesn't seem sensible to me.

Maybe the Exorcists were created by the Old Ones?

Well given the proportion of Successors being descendants of the Ultramarines, they have most likely produced the highest number of traitors since the heresy

It'd be intreasting to know if you're right, or if a partiuclar geneseed seems to generate a higher percentage of traitors then one would expect to be the norm. I mean we know the first chapter to fall to heresy following the 2nd founding was an Imperial Fists sucessor chapter (given the Chapter's creed was literally "WE ARE NEVER WRONG" those guys where destined to fall) but for the most part GW (perhaps wisely) tends not to tell us the genetic ancestory of most fallen chapters. for example, we have no clue whom the Astral Claws where a sucessor of. Although it's often suggested to be Ultramarines or Dark Angels (which tends to be the "go to" guess for chapters with unknown geneseed and no obvious genetic mutation) Me I kinda wonder if they're white scars. The Chapter did seem to have a love of fast strike.

I'm pretty sure its stated somewhere that the Exorcists are a Grey Knights successor chapter.

 jobalisk wrote:
I'm pretty sure its stated somewhere that the Exorcists are a Grey Knights successor chapter.

Lexnicium cites the source as being the short story "hunted" from Heros of the Space Marines. I think I';ve got that book somewhere, I'll have to see about reading it to see if it's a definative statement or something that could be argued to be untrue.

DontEatRawHagis wrote:
The reason I bring this up is that:

Both mimic the chapter tactics of other armies.

What more evidence do I need?...

The Exorcists were a later founding chapter and the only second founding of the Grey Knights. It isn't so much that they mimic other's chapter tactics as it is that they have sub-cults with-in their chapter, separate and distinct from their company structure that specialize in different disciplines, much different forms of daemon fighting, much just different tactical doctrines.

I think all the evidence actually points to the Exorcists being loyalist sons of Magnus. First keep in mind that its been revealed that the founder of the grey knights was the fragment of Magnus' soul that reached out to warn the Emperor and was severed when the Astronomicon flickered as a consequence... where that fragment was then put into another skilled psyker.

The Exorcist's gnostic sorta knowledge cults really mirror how the Thousand Sons had their schools of learning and psychic discipline. When you look at some of the art depictions of them they're portrayed with a red and gold armor that really mirrors the Thousand Sons pre-heresy scheme.


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 jobalisk wrote:
I'm pretty sure its stated somewhere that the Exorcists are a Grey Knights successor chapter.

They are.

Well the poster of pure primaris chapters given away with 40k conquest has a number of suspect chapters including if I remember correctly the Children of the Emperor in a rather familiar colour scheme.

So given what other people have mentioned how far are we off having a loyalist Emperors children legion in 40k