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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The Orion is a wonderful machine. With the one in this KS I will have a Lance of them. Can't say no to that.

mmm autocanony goodness!

That Orion is sexy. It's always been one of my favorites on paper but the miniature was kind of meh. Let's see if this time it transitions to 3d better.

M.

BrianDavion wrote:
mmm autocanony goodness!

I always liked the custom version we made for Solaris matches. Ran very hot, but when you're fighting in The Factory nothing says "Go away!" quite like a point-blank MRM40.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
mmm autocanony goodness!

I always liked the custom version we made for Solaris matches. Ran very hot, but when you're fighting in The Factory nothing says "Go away!" quite like a point-blank MRM40.

I dunno, twin UAC 20s work pretty well for that too!

So, in the latest update they've shared the process and the results of the 'Voting off the Dropship" poll.

I'm sad that I tried to vote in the Grizzly, but instead the Kodiak got voted off lol

edit: I do think that overall the new line-up is more representative of fan favorites and 'popular' mechs, so its all good. Just feel bad no bear mechs haha.

Im disappointed that some people voted off the Kodiak, you know a Totem Mech of Ghost Bear.

However, we are getting the Goshawk, and I am ok with that. But I want both.

The revised packs are awful. Adding in boring 'Mechs everyone already has (Centurion, Hunchback, Zeus, Dragon, Spiders... uhh), and removing some great ones (Hellion, the entire bloody Berserker Lance and the Kodiak - who in their right mind thought that was a good idea?).

Worse, the two "choose your own adventure" packs are IS! I wasn't expecting both to be Clan, but I was expecting one of them to be Clan.

This is a major downer for this KS, as these new choices are either nonsensical or boring. And I say that as someone who wanted a Night Gyr.

BrianDavion wrote:
I dunno, twin UAC 20s work pretty well for that too!

On an Orion? Where would you fit the ammo?

Come on, that IS Urban lance is an all-classic.
Save for the Kodiak that I will mourn, I like pretty much all swaps.

Seems odd to change that much stuff on more or less a whim.
I have to agree that the line up is a lot more boring sorry classic now.
So thanks to the polls is there less clan mechs available now and if so is that just the anti clan faction of “fans” trying to hijack the KS?

Well look at what was added:

Zeus
Stalker
Cataphract
Raven
Enforcer
Hunchback
Victor
Dragon
Cyclops
Spider

It sure does seem like some "Revenge of the Grogs" gak going on here.

I mean who the feth wants another fething Spider? Or a Dragon for crying out loud?

 HudsonD wrote:
Come on, that IS Urban lance is an all-classic.

And it's boring.

To be fair though, the new Support Lance is even worse.

You call that "boring", I call that "I'll take twos please".

H.B.M.C. wrote:The revised packs are awful. Adding in boring 'Mechs everyone already has (Centurion, Hunchback, Zeus, Dragon, Spiders... uhh), and removing some great ones (Hellion, the entire bloody Berserker Lance and the Kodiak - who in their right mind thought that was a good idea?).

Worse, the two "choose your own adventure" packs are IS! I wasn't expecting both to be Clan, but I was expecting one of them to be Clan.

This is a major downer for this KS, as these new choices are either nonsensical or boring. And I say that as someone who wanted a Night Gyr.

Yeah, like for the most part they aint great, but I doubt they are gonna listen now.

SeanDrake wrote:Seems odd to change that much stuff on more or less a whim.
I have to agree that the line up is a lot more boring sorry classic now.
So thanks to the polls is there less clan mechs available now and if so is that just the anti clan faction of “fans” trying to hijack the KS?

That would be my guess.

Sorry, what got revised?

Based on backer voting, some mech got kicked off the dropship and replaced with (what are presumably) fan favorites.

For someone like me who is just starting out, its fine because I don't have much of anything anyway. But for long-time mechheads like HBMC I can understand its less appealing.

What I don't get is HOW the Urbanmech was not added in, based on the comments and the votes it seemed a shoo-in. At this point I'm half-sure CGL is trolling, and the 2M stretch goal will be a 6 inch gold plated urbie statue or somesuch (But still not available in lance packs)

I thought that the vote thing they put up was to remove one 'Mech. I didn't realise that by submitting my Community Lance ideas that that would also contribute to removing 'Mechs (like the Kodiak, still a major WTF?).

Anyway, I've reduced my pledge as there's no Berserker lance any more, and the two Community Lances are just IntroTech grog gak to make the 4th Succession War 4eva people happy.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
(like the Kodiak, still a major WTF?).

.

That one in particular makes the least sense to me

All I wanted was to recreate the opening cinematic of Ghost's Bear's Legacy ;(

 rabidaskal wrote:
All I wanted was to recreate the opening cinematic of Ghost's Bear's Legacy ;(

You're not allowed. You must have more Dragons and Spiders instead.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I thought that the vote thing they put up was to remove one 'Mech. I didn't realise that by submitting my Community Lance ideas that that would also contribute to removing 'Mechs (like the Kodiak, still a major WTF?).

Anyway, I've reduced my pledge as there's no Berserker lance any more, and the two Community Lances are just IntroTech grog gak to make the 4th Succession War 4eva people happy.

in fairness the "4th war 4evah" people proably aren't the main drive here (they are as I've said befoire a small minority) but classic designs that have been around for ever and are used by everyone are proably going to be more popular then a design associated strongly with one faction. I know one of the former line developers once commented at how faction focused the community is. to the point where people will only buy handbooks for their factions etc. I'm not sure TBH how 100% I belive that but it is what it is.

Anyway, I've reduced my pledge as there's no Berserker lance any more, and the two Community Lances are just IntroTech grog gak to make the 4th Succession War 4eva people happy.

Wait, no more Beserker? Where is this at? How do we undo this travesty.

Dunno yet. They said they were listening, now they're going to have to listen to the backlash of changing a bunch of 'Mechs when a lot of us figured they'd be dumping the most called for one rather than entire Lances (that was what was implied with the poll), as well as the backlash for adding two more IS Lances to the Clan Invasion Kickstarter, and also for removing the Kodiak.

#JusticeforGhostBear

If we don't get a box of four Urbanmechs then I'm never playing again.

Battletech will be cancelled.

Given that so many people were clamouring for an UrbanMech and it's not there at all says that something weird is going on...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Dunno yet. They said they were listening, now they're going to have to listen to the backlash of changing a bunch of 'Mechs when a lot of us figured they'd be dumping the most called for one rather than entire Lances (that was what was implied with the poll), as well as the backlash for adding two more IS Lances to the Clan Invasion Kickstarter, and also for removing the Kodiak.

#JusticeforGhostBear

Maybe the fact that the two new lances are IS design is indicative that, at this point, people are requesting classic IS designs more than obscure Clan ones ?

I mean, how many classic Clan mechs aren't in there already ? Before I get DFAed, I say that as someone whose pledge is all-Clan so far.

Like the super obscure Kodiak... oh wait...

If they want to make the two user-packs into boring IntroTech Lances, then fine. But then they went and fethed with half a dozen of the other lances, removing things that were fun (like the Kodiak) or outright destroying the entire purpose of other packs (the Berserker Lance).

The revisions have good and bad in them. The best part for me are the Goshawk, Peregrine, and Vixen all in one pack now!

Like HBMC said, the Inner Sphere designs are mostly more perplexing. I love the inclusion of the plastic Thug and Sentinel, but find it odd that the Raven, Cataphract, and Victor all got involved- they're only a generation of plastic behind from the Alpha Strike Lance packs.I'd have rather continued to see ones that haven't appeared in plastic at all, or much longer.

I'll predict the Urban lance as their least ordered from this kickstarter- it's a solid lance, but it's just boring.

 HudsonD wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Dunno yet. They said they were listening, now they're going to have to listen to the backlash of changing a bunch of 'Mechs when a lot of us figured they'd be dumping the most called for one rather than entire Lances (that was what was implied with the poll), as well as the backlash for adding two more IS Lances to the Clan Invasion Kickstarter, and also for removing the Kodiak.

#JusticeforGhostBear

Maybe the fact that the two new lances are IS design is indicative that, at this point, people are requesting classic IS designs more than obscure Clan ones ?

I mean, how many classic Clan mechs aren't in there already ? Before I get DFAed, I say that as someone whose pledge is all-Clan so far.

I have to agree. A clan totem mech has limited appeal compared to a standard design. Even for another Clan player who just wants more standard OpFor IS mechs for their toys to fight.

The 4th war only crowd are a very tiny minority of the fan base. Like 2nd edition only players in 40k. Anyway the real old school BTers view anything past the original setting as too far a bridge to cross. The 4th war originally got a lot of the flak the Clans and Jihad eventually got.

"What do you mean there's functioning mech factories?" A living universe has its refugees at every major story arc change.

playing devil's advocate the Kodak is a second line assault mech mostly associated with the ghost bears, I mean it's not super obscure but it's not exactly a common machine eaither.

Eh, I agree with the Kodiak, even though I like the Stone Rhino.

On the other hand, what's wrong with "Introtech Lances", and having solid, classic designs for people that might interested in getting into the game ?

Where is the information on the changes?

I checked the Campaign section of the Kickstarter and didn't see anything about it.