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It's special rules depending on which faction within a codex you take, e.g. World Eater CSMs getting Butchers Nails and getting +1A after charging. Not actual tactics as such.

 Stormatious wrote:
So the units within the detachment have to be the same legion, but detachments it self ave to be the same faction ( chaos etc )?

Pretty much, yeah.

@ Storm: That is correct.

MODELS within a DETACHMENT must share a faction keyword that is NOT Chaos, Imperium, Tyranid, Aeldari (I think...). This prevents a detachment from, say, taking the cheap Daemons as troops in a Battalion being led by a CSM lord.

LEGION TACTICS require that all MODELS within a DETACHMENT share the same Legion Tactic.

An ARMY must share a common keyword between all DETACHMENTS. This keyword CAN be Chaos, Imperium, Tyranids, Aeldari, Etc. Different DETACHMENTS within the ARMY may have different LEGION TACTICS without problem, so long as the rules above are followed.

Hmmmm But black legion i thought basicly worshipped all chaos gods so i dont get why this is like this. I mean i can have rubric marines in BL but they are 1k sons....


Im slightly confused.


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I sort of get it, but yeah im confused a bit. But not any ones here's fault.

Thanks!!!!

The Black Legion is a salad. You can have all kinds of different things from the Chaos codex in it, but it would still be a salad. The World Eaters, Thousand Sons, etc are the ingredients of that salad, you can eat them separately if you want to, or you can mix them together.

Thais confused me even more to be honest.

Hi Storm,

I'm not sure about the Chaos Marine Codex, specifically. I play Imperials. Also, try to keep "Fluff" and "Rules" separate as it will drive you crazy.

The Black Legion (FLUFF) is undivided, meaning they cut deals / worship all elements of Chaos. Their units may take marks from any of the Deities. A Berzerker, on the other Hand, must take the mark of Khorne, and can NOT take another mark.

The rules for Black Legion (Trait) will let them do something that other legions don't. Again, not sure of the effect but let's say they get the "Imperium Sucks" rule, whereas Iron Warriors get "Bionics" and Alpha Legions gets "Surprise, Suckas!". So in a BL detachment, all models must take the "Imperium Sucks" rule. but they can still take Marks of Khorne, or Tzeentch, or Nurgle, or Slaanesh.

You could then take a 1000 Sons Detachment. Again, I don't know the specifics but they'd all get the "We're ghoooosts! Spoooky!" rule. Because they're a God-Specific legion, they can only (maybe must?) take the Mark of Tzeentch.

You could then take a Daemon Detachment. I don't know if they have "legion traits" for them or not, but they probably have some kind of rule that you benefit from if you stick to certain units.

So long as each is a valid (Battleforged) detachment, you could take a BL Detachment, with models with different Marks of Chaos and all would benefit from "Imperium Sucks.". You could take a 1000 Sons and they'd all benefit from "We're Ghooosts! Spooky!" Rules. They could ONLY have MoTz though, because they're a God-Specific Legion. Lastly, you could take a Daemon detachment. You can probably mix and match gods because Daemons are weird.

This is battleforged in its entirety, because each detachment shares the "Chaos" keyword.


** To cut to the chase, post a list you think is battleforged, and we can let you know if it works or not, and if it doesn't, how to make it work. **

HoundsofDemos wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Ishagu wrote:
You're a Ray of sunshine, aren't you? And the advice you gave on the previous page was utterly awful and obfuscating for a new player just starting out. I suggest you stop giving advice altogether.

You can easily find someone local who would be happy to show you how the game is played. Just make sure to explain that you are completely new and are still learning the basics. It doesn't take long to get experience. Even easier if you have a local GW store.

Could you please point out where in my advice I was incorrect, so that I may correct it?

Your advice is bad because it ignores the most common type of 40k, playing against local players or with a small group of friends. You act like 40k is played in some kind of weird vacuum were local rules or expectations are not a thing.

Problem is that is how he plays 40k (on Discord apparently). This is not a normal way to play in any way, shape or form and coupled with his holier than thou always “correct” rulings make for a lovely toxic sludge.

40k requires social interaction. Squawking at people over the internet on the correct way to play as if GW have given you a personal edict to hand down just makes people think you’re a TFG and no help whatsoever.

 Stormatious wrote:
Hmmmm But black legion i thought basicly worshipped all chaos gods so i dont get why this is like this. I mean i can have rubric marines in BL but they are 1k sons....


Im slightly confused.


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I sort of get it, but yeah im confused a bit. But not any ones here's fault.

Thanks!!!!

PST: look at the keywords, theres this <Legion> thingy there right?

You fit in the keyword to get the trait right?

Some Legions like EC or WE are god specific so they must always be Khorne or Slaanesh, so they lock out other god specific units.

BL is not god specific, so unde the plague marine entry f.e. you find the <Legion> tag and you can freely insert BL in there however their mark is given.

Basically all non monogod subfactions can field cultmarines relatively freely (Ro3 still applies) mostly due to most cultmarines or processes to create them beeing accessible knowledge for many warbands and especially for bigger legions.
KNowledge for Berzerkers, most chirugeons that know how serve the BL or are freelancers (khornate Freelancers) Rubrics mercs, Noise marines, easily enough replicable, Plague marine also a possibility.

 greatbigtree wrote:
Hi Storm,

I'm not sure about the Chaos Marine Codex, specifically. I play Imperials. Also, try to keep "Fluff" and "Rules" separate as it will drive you crazy.

The Black Legion (FLUFF) is undivided, meaning they cut deals / worship all elements of Chaos. Their units may take marks from any of the Deities. A Berzerker, on the other Hand, must take the mark of Khorne, and can NOT take another mark.

The rules for Black Legion (Trait) will let them do something that other legions don't. Again, not sure of the effect but let's say they get the "Imperium Sucks" rule, whereas Iron Warriors get "Bionics" and Alpha Legions gets "Surprise, Suckas!". So in a BL detachment, all models must take the "Imperium Sucks" rule. but they can still take Marks of Khorne, or Tzeentch, or Nurgle, or Slaanesh.

You could then take a 1000 Sons Detachment. Again, I don't know the specifics but they'd all get the "We're ghoooosts! Spoooky!" rule. Because they're a God-Specific legion, they can only (maybe must?) take the Mark of Tzeentch.

You could then take a Daemon Detachment. I don't know if they have "legion traits" for them or not, but they probably have some kind of rule that you benefit from if you stick to certain units.

So long as each is a valid (Battleforged) detachment, you could take a BL Detachment, with models with different Marks of Chaos and all would benefit from "Imperium Sucks.". You could take a 1000 Sons and they'd all benefit from "We're Ghooosts! Spooky!" Rules. They could ONLY have MoTz though, because they're a God-Specific Legion. Lastly, you could take a Daemon detachment. You can probably mix and match gods because Daemons are weird.

This is battleforged in its entirety, because each detachment shares the "Chaos" keyword.


** To cut to the chase, post a list you think is battleforged, and we can let you know if it works or not, and if it doesn't, how to make it work. **

Ok thank you so much, ill get back to you with a army in this thread shortly to cut to the chase.

no- 5-20 is correct , for matched play look at the pts behind the place. Also the PL listing lists options in price correlation to powerlevel. So Max 20 per unit.

Oh yeah i get it.

Thanks homie.

No worries

This is rough rough rough, but i just quickly did this to show you that i know what your saying now. This is not a proper list or any thing like that or even written properly..

And i guess i would take some things off here and there to make it square 2k points. I didn't even want to press submit on this post.





Patrol Detatchment #1 -

Mark - Mark of Tzeentch ( what ever i want )
Trait - Black crusade
Hq - Abaddon
Transport - x2 rhinos
Troops -x3 csm units 10 csm each unit
Flyer -x2 heldrakes
1046 total points
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Patrol Deatchment #2

Trait - What ever i want lol

x1HQ -- Bloodmaster
x1GUO -
x90Troops 3 units - Bloodletters

1011 total points

Or i could go 1k sons detachment instead of daemons etc etc etc, and they would have the 1k sons trait and mark. etc etc..

Yeah, pretty much.

The Mark is applied at the individual unit level though, not the detachment - so you could, for instance, have one CSM unit in Patrol #1 with Mark Of Khorne, one with Mark Of Tzeentch, etc. Annoyingly though the Marks by themselves don't do anything any more. In 6th / 7th they cost points but gave benefits - I think Mark Of Khorne for instance was +1A?

This varies depending on what Legion you've selected. Black Legion is open to all Marks, whereas, say, World Eaters requires all units to have Mark Of Khorne. This is what then restricts you, as you then wouldn't be allowed to field something like Noise Marines as they must have Mark Of Slaanesh.

So i can have 1 patrol of 4 csm units having 4 different marks?

You need to look at your detachment types in the rules.

A patrol detachment can only have a maximum of 3 x troop units. You could have each of those 3 units with a different mark if you wanted - unless you'd specified a Legion that restricts it.

In practice I don't really know what good that would do though...

Yeah, in general, you’re usually best to focus on a pair of Battalions if you want lots of troops. Lots of command points to play with.


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Yeah, in general, you’re usually best to focus on a pair of Battalions if you want lots of troops. Lots of command points to play with.

True, thanks Tree And Cripsy and Not Online And Bacon.