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The Newman wrote:
 fraser1191 wrote:
Any waaay do people think this new rule is just bolter discipline and atsknf rolled together or do you think there's an actual rule change?

I'd like to see one where marines always contest an object. Custodes have one to always control one so I figure marines should have one to contest it. Marine troop are generally out numbered on an objective unless there's a monster or something there which will just slice through regardless


Marines already have that rule, it's called Champions of Humanity iirc. The way it's worded it became completely redundant when all troop units got ObSec. The Custodes one is worded the same way.

It makes me wonder what GW is smoking some of the time. They knew that Marines were going to need a special rule or they'd never be able to hold an objective, gave them said rule, and then took it away again.


I'm pretty sure custodes have a superior obsec but it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong. But yes that's one of my biggest complaints about the way obsec works in 40k, it again leans towards hordes
   
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Martel732 wrote:
 Orodhen wrote:
Martel732 wrote:
They shouldn't be able to physically wield it. Terminators only, imo. The killy needs scaled back on all fronts.

Smash capt is so stupid, I kind of wish BA didn't have a captain entry at all anymore.


Gene-enhanced super warriors in power armour being unable to lift a hammer. Sounds legit.


Lots of other things they can't do. And I forget when they started allowing thunderhammer on infantry, but they didn't use to get them.

Thunderhammer on infantry has been a thing for a while. At one point, I believe even stormtrooper sergeants could take them.

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A while, yes, but not forever. And i dont have to think its a good idea.
   
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Martel732 wrote:
A while, yes, but not forever. And i dont have to think its a good idea.

Get a job at GW rules design if you want your ideas heard better.

If the truth can destroy it, then it deserves to be destroyed. 
   
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Martel732 wrote:
A while, yes, but not forever. And i dont have to think its a good idea.

And Space marines can no longer have shuriken catapults either! What's up with that?

   
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I think thunder hammers on infantry is stupid and unnecessary. I dont care how long its been.
   
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I don't have any sort of issue with Marines carrying Thunder Hammers. I do have an issue with non-Terminator Marines carrying Thunder Hammers one-handed, T-Hammers are too big for that to look right.

I also have a bit of an issue with Marines being able to carry Power Fists and T-Hammers, but not Chain Fists when those are clearly in the middle ground between them.

   
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 Apple Peel wrote:
Martel732 wrote:
A while, yes, but not forever. And i dont have to think its a good idea.

Get a job at GW rules design if you want your ideas heard better.


Please, no - that would be a horrible decision.

On topic: Angels of Death being both ATSKNF and Bolter Discipline would be extremely wordy.

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I assure you I could do better than the idiots at GW. Your sideways insults notwithstanding.
   
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Martel732 wrote:
I assure you I could do better than the idiots at GW. Your sideways insults notwithstanding.
Great! When will they receive your job application?


They/them

 
   
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 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Martel732 wrote:
I assure you I could do better than the idiots at GW. Your sideways insults notwithstanding.
Great! When will they receive your job application?

Tell us when they give you the offer! We can hold a celebration!

If the truth can destroy it, then it deserves to be destroyed. 
   
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I may be misremembering, but I seem to remember back int he mists of time that thunder hammers were Sx2, 3damage and you could only swing it once. (can't remember if it was instead of all of your other attacks, or if you could still use te rest of your attacks, just had to be a different weapon).

Does anyone else remember this, or being interested in seeing this rule making a return?
   
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Does anyone see Frags and Kraks getting some sort of re-design?
   
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 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Does anyone see Frags and Kraks getting some sort of re-design?


It seemw unlikely. It could really help Intercessors with the whole lack of special/heavy weapons thing, but if GW were going to address it that way I think they'd have done it by now.

   
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I think we already got that with "one per squad".
   
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I mean across the board, all frag and krak.

Frag becomes d6 shots of S4 ap0 d1, and krak becomes 1 shot s7 d3
   
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Obligatory "that'll buff guard!"

Honestly just slap astartes in front of every marine weapon so that all Imperium weapons aren't intertwined so some semblance of balance can be achieved
   
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Changing them across the board would require too much rebalancing. Giving Intercessors a single all-purpose Plasma grenade at Grenade d3, S7, Ap2, Dd3 would really help them though. (Edit: I mean they only have one grenade profile, not they have a single-use grenade.)

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I miss a lot of the nuance of older editions. I think to make marines better individually, they need to bring that nuance back. Like, they should have built in a lot of small advabntages that other factions have to either pay for or have only on elite troops.

Like, what was it, assault granades giving you and edge in melee combat in 4th edition? Don't remember that well, should get the codex back. Or the autoregroup from ATSKNF.

The Newman wrote:
 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Does anyone see Frags and Kraks getting some sort of re-design?


It seemw unlikely. It could really help Intercessors with the whole lack of special/heavy weapons thing, but if GW were going to address it that way I think they'd have done it by now.


Custom granades would be really nice to give them special weapons with just a single plastic element.

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 fraser1191 wrote:
Obligatory "that'll buff guard!"

Honestly just slap astartes in front of every marine weapon so that all Imperium weapons aren't intertwined so some semblance of balance can be achieved


It worked with Beta Bolters. Beta Nades?
   
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They wouldn't even need to add any plastic, all the grenades look pretty much the same on the model.

Considering that Intercessor Sergeants can still be the one carrying the Grenade Launcher GW doesn't even need to create anything new for them, just adding Melta Bombs to the Intercessor Sergeant's wargear list would do it. Although for the way the data sheet the OP posted is written if that happened you'd have to choose between a melee weapon and the Melta Bomb.

   
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I friggin' love krak grenades. I end up getting more wounds out of them than anything else, lol. And they always seem to surprise people as if they've never seen them.
   
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 Apple Peel wrote:
 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Martel732 wrote:
I assure you I could do better than the idiots at GW. Your sideways insults notwithstanding.
Great! When will they receive your job application?

Tell us when they give you the offer! We can hold a celebration!

Pretty sure GW is run a lot like a university at the top. A bunch of people who fell into an extremely successful business and aren't equal to the required tasks ahead of them and can't be replaced - like tenure. It's their baby - I can't take it from them. I can for sure point out the fact that they are failing their way into big profits right now.

Kind of like Tim Tebow when he had a big run with Denver. People looked at his stats and realized he was maybe the worst QB to ever play in pro football and win that many games. The next year he didn't even have a job after a winning record and a playoff run. Cause in a competitive sport you can't afford to not make changes because you are winning more than you are losing. GW doesn't really have any competition. The have utter market dominance due to sheer lack of faith in this community that any other game could ever challenge 40k. The end is near though. 3d printers are going to destroy this industry.

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If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
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This has nothing to do with 40k, BUTTTTTT:

Tim Tebow wasn't given the boot because he was a winner, he was given the boot because he couldn't lead an offense, read a defense, or throw a football.

He was a proto-Manziel in a Sam Darnold body. Giant dumb county boy who has terrible mechanics but can run really fast. Ala: Manziel, and every other worthless scrambling QB the league has ever tried to develop....
   
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 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
This has nothing to do with 40k, BUTTTTTT:

Tim Tebow wasn't given the boot because he was a winner, he was given the boot because he couldn't lead an offense, read a defense, or throw a football.

He was a proto-Manziel in a Sam Darnold body. Giant dumb county boy who has terrible mechanics but can run really fast. Ala: Manziel, and every other worthless scrambling QB the league has ever tried to develop....

I wasn't making the point he was given the boot because he was a winner. I was making the point that he was winning in spite of how bad he was. He was booted because he was bad. Much like GW rules team should have been a long time ago. Likely though. These people can't be fired. Even mentioning they are doing a bad job probably gets you fired.

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 bullyboy wrote:
I friggin' love krak grenades. I end up getting more wounds out of them than anything else, lol. And they always seem to surprise people as if they've never seen them.


The thing about Krak grenades that annoys me is that they're better than the bolt rifle against a lot of targets, but not the T7 sweet spot where most of the tanks are sitting.

   
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The Newman wrote:
 bullyboy wrote:
I friggin' love krak grenades. I end up getting more wounds out of them than anything else, lol. And they always seem to surprise people as if they've never seen them.


The thing about Krak grenades that annoys me is that they're better than the bolt rifle against a lot of targets, but not the T7 sweet spot where most of the tanks are sitting.

Ehh - primaris rarely have a situation where 1 krak is better than 2 bolts. Its only for the 1 for 1 situation which happens even more rarely due to bolter disc.

If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
- Fox Mulder 
   
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 Xenomancers wrote:
The Newman wrote:
 bullyboy wrote:
I friggin' love krak grenades. I end up getting more wounds out of them than anything else, lol. And they always seem to surprise people as if they've never seen them.


The thing about Krak grenades that annoys me is that they're better than the bolt rifle against a lot of targets, but not the T7 sweet spot where most of the tanks are sitting.

Ehh - primaris rarely have a situation where 1 krak is better than 2 bolts. Its only for the 1 for 1 situation which happens even more rarely due to bolter disc.


Agreed, grenades are fairly pointless for Intercessors. The situations it makes sense to use them are very niche.
   
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 Xenomancers wrote:
The Newman wrote:
 bullyboy wrote:
I friggin' love krak grenades. I end up getting more wounds out of them than anything else, lol. And they always seem to surprise people as if they've never seen them.


The thing about Krak grenades that annoys me is that they're better than the bolt rifle against a lot of targets, but not the T7 sweet spot where most of the tanks are sitting.

Ehh - primaris rarely have a situation where 1 krak is better than 2 bolts. Its only for the 1 for 1 situation which happens even more rarely due to bolter disc.


Wouldn't plague marines be the prime target for a krak grenade? S6, multiple damage
   
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 Xenomancers wrote:
The Newman wrote:
 bullyboy wrote:
I friggin' love krak grenades. I end up getting more wounds out of them than anything else, lol. And they always seem to surprise people as if they've never seen them.


The thing about Krak grenades that annoys me is that they're better than the bolt rifle against a lot of targets, but not the T7 sweet spot where most of the tanks are sitting.

Ehh - primaris rarely have a situation where 1 krak is better than 2 bolts. Its only for the 1 for 1 situation which happens even more rarely due to bolter disc.

Meanwhile a Scion squad uses Grenadiers and throws ten kraks.

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