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Yeah, $20 - $35 per character, on top of which you might have to buy a character you don't even want to get one you do want. The prices are pretty steep.

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
Yeah, $20 - $35 per character, on top of which you might have to buy a character you don't even want to get one you do want. The prices are pretty steep.

Beating a dead horse at this point, but that's less than you're paying for single character sprues of SMALLER SCALE and sizes than what you'll be getting for this game.

There are literally $35 character sprues right now from the GW line. These models are head and shoulders above primaris models at this point, and come with character cards, sculpted bases, etc.

I guess ultimately, you only pay what you think it's worth, but this is a very approachable pricing structure for me.

It is like they got their prices straight from the GW handbook. I love the idea of Marvel thou so will have to wait and see, though Xmen are my fav so hopefully they will get to them soon.

Thing is, this game needs a roster of ten models, whereas many GW core games would need those ten character models plus a fortune in rank and file, vehicles and monsters to make them work as a coherent gaming collection.

I've never had too much issue with high model costs in low model count games, but this is bumping right up against the limit, it's a good job they've given me plenty of time to mull it over, if this had dropped out of nowhere I'd have run a mile out of sticker shock alone.

I'm definitely what you'd call a superfan, but even I have to say the price is the upper-limit of what I am willing to pay. I'm in for the fandom, and will tolerate the price for a skirmish game of beloved characters (where I am sure the licensing fees are insane), but if the game ends up being mediocre it'll be hard to stay all-in.

Guess we'll see, but they definitely have me for the Day-1 stuff.

When we get models based on the MCU (or x-men based on the 90's cartoon) I'll be interested but the random comic iterations shown off so far aren't really doing it for me.

The weird scale is a massive issue, so the game will need to be something special to get people to buy in.

Does anyone know if you need 10 models of a single alignment for your group? Do I need 10 heroes or 10 Villains? Or can I have a mix.

If you can mix it up I may need to get involved when some more Spidey stuff comes out. Though I do like the idea of playing Guardians of the Galaxy, I still like the idea of Rocket boogeyboarding with the Green Goblin while they hurl explosives all over better.

 Sabotage! wrote:
Does anyone know if you need 10 models of a single alignment for your group? Do I need 10 heroes or 10 Villains? Or can I have a mix.

If you can mix it up I may need to get involved when some more Spidey stuff comes out. Though I do like the idea of playing Guardians of the Galaxy, I still like the idea of Rocket boogeyboarding with the Green Goblin while they hurl explosives all over better.

There are no formal alignments. Any models can make up a list, its just that certain shared affiliations will confer bonuses.

 ajax_xaja wrote:

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
Yeah, $20 - $35 per character, on top of which you might have to buy a character you don't even want to get one you do want. The prices are pretty steep.

Beating a dead horse at this point, but that's less than you're paying for single character sprues of SMALLER SCALE and sizes than what you'll be getting for this game.

There are literally $35 character sprues right now from the GW line. These models are head and shoulders above primaris models at this point, and come with character cards, sculpted bases, etc.

I guess ultimately, you only pay what you think it's worth, but this is a very approachable pricing structure for me.

I certainly don't pay that much for any single models. Obviously that's 40k character prices, but a primaris character is probably about the same size as one of the human sized Crisis Protocol models. Maybe shorter, but bulkier. And the GW models are much more detailed. In any case, if you're trying to say Crisis Protocol models are reasonably priced because they are at the same price point as GW character models, the lowest value models from the highest priced company in all of miniature gaming, you're not making a very compelling point.

It is true you only NEED 10, but of course you're going to want much more than that. And even if you only wanted 10, you can't actually get away with buying only 10 because most of them you have to buy in pairs with another character you may not want. So to even get the 10 models you want, you may actually have to buy up to 20. GW doesn't make you do that. And most of the GW miniatures you buy are going to be squads of like 10 guys for maybe $60, so a quarter or less of the price of one of these, with more detail and tons of options. If there was a 40K spinoff game where you could only play by purchasing 15 or so of their plastic character models at $30 or $35 a piece, I don't think very many people would play it. And tons of people would be complaining about how much of an overpriced money-grab it was.

 Albino Squirrel wrote:

 ajax_xaja wrote:

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
Yeah, $20 - $35 per character, on top of which you might have to buy a character you don't even want to get one you do want. The prices are pretty steep.

Beating a dead horse at this point, but that's less than you're paying for single character sprues of SMALLER SCALE and sizes than what you'll be getting for this game.

There are literally $35 character sprues right now from the GW line. These models are head and shoulders above primaris models at this point, and come with character cards, sculpted bases, etc.

I guess ultimately, you only pay what you think it's worth, but this is a very approachable pricing structure for me.

I certainly don't pay that much for any single models. Obviously that's 40k character prices, but a primaris character is probably about the same size as one of the human sized Crisis Protocol models. Maybe shorter, but bulkier. And the GW models are much more detailed. In any case, if you're trying to say Crisis Protocol models are reasonably priced because they are at the same price point as GW character models, the lowest value models from the highest priced company in all of miniature gaming, you're not making a very compelling point.

It is true you only NEED 10, but of course you're going to want much more than that. And even if you only wanted 10, you can't actually get away with buying only 10 because most of them you have to buy in pairs with another character you may not want. So to even get the 10 models you want, you may actually have to buy up to 20. GW doesn't make you do that. And most of the GW miniatures you buy are going to be squads of like 10 guys for maybe $60, so a quarter or less of the price of one of these, with more detail and tons of options. If there was a 40K spinoff game where you could only play by purchasing 15 or so of their plastic character models at $30 or $35 a piece, I don't think very many people would play it. And tons of people would be complaining about how much of an overpriced money-grab it was.

What the heck are you talking about GW doesn't make you buy what? Ever play AoS and take a thing called Battle line troops, talk about about a tax there. Wanting to play gloomspite gitz with squigs because they are cool but having to take 60-100 grots to make them playable comptetatively. not to mention all the painting of those dang stupid rank and file idiots.

GW absolutely taxes the hell out of you to play their games. Skirmish ones maybe not in models... for like Kill Team, Necromunda or Warcry... but then they sure do with books with these games. So GW is nothing but tax to play their games. Books, hordes of little models that look god aweful roaming the tables as a sea of gray. I would much rather get one extra hero that i don't like then 80 grots. hands down. Plus to get a usable army for AoS or 40k can easily cost you a good $400- 600.

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 Sabotage! wrote:
Does anyone know if you need 10 models of a single alignment for your group? Do I need 10 heroes or 10 Villains? Or can I have a mix.

If you can mix it up I may need to get involved when some more Spidey stuff comes out. Though I do like the idea of playing Guardians of the Galaxy, I still like the idea of Rocket boogeyboarding with the Green Goblin while they hurl explosives all over better.

There are no formal alignments. Any models can make up a list, its just that certain shared affiliations will confer bonuses.

Awesome, thank you!

And the GW models are much more detailed.

After convincing a percentage of the hobby that they are the hobby, and a further percentage that using non-GW products in their games is "wrong," the greatest marketing gimmick GW have stuck the landing on has to be that covering every available flat surface in greeble is somehow desirable and makes a model worth more money.

GW are not making high def models while everyone else is still using VHS, and what somebody calls "detail" other people call cluttered and lacking creative restraint.

 Azreal13 wrote:

And the GW models are much more detailed.

After convincing a percentage of the hobby that they are the hobby, and a further percentage that using non-GW products in their games is "wrong," the greatest marketing gimmick GW have stuck the landing on has to be that covering every available flat surface in greeble is somehow desirable and makes a model worth more money.

GW are not making high def models while everyone else is still using VHS, and what somebody calls "detail" other people call cluttered and lacking creative restraint.

Looking at the pictures I have seen on the Marvel miniatures, I do think the detail on the GW miniatures look sharper, though I'm not sure how much of that comes down to paint job. To the credit of Atomic Mass games they are showing paint jobs a lot of us could reasonably hope to obtain.

And as far as GW stuff having too much unnecessary detail that clutters the model? That is 100 percent true for a lot of their range, particularly the 40k stuff. I primarily play GW games, and painting the current Blood Bowl Orcs was a total pain due to how cluttered they are combined with a lot of "closed" poses. I think part of the reason I like the Warcry bands so much is that they don't have 7000 extra Chaos emblems, skulls or unnecessary details.

 Azreal13 wrote:

And the GW models are much more detailed.

After convincing a percentage of the hobby that they are the hobby, and a further percentage that using non-GW products in their games is "wrong," the greatest marketing gimmick GW have stuck the landing on has to be that covering every available flat surface in greeble is somehow desirable and makes a model worth more money.

GW are not making high def models while everyone else is still using VHS, and what somebody calls "detail" other people call cluttered and lacking creative restraint.

I don't disagree with any of that. Even so, looking at the closeup pictures of the Crisis Protocol miniatures, they do not look as well sculpted as any recent GW miniatures I have seen. Considering they are 40mm so at a significantly larger scale than GW miniatures, the sculpts seem just okay to me, not great. Obviously many of the models don't lend themselves to a lot of little details, like Venom. But the ones that have more to their outfit don't look that great to me. Just okay.

I’d argue against that . They look great for comic book heroes. Not so great for grimdark heroes who strut around with medals and ribbons and stuff dangling off everywhere. Comic book art is about imagination and I think these leave just enough to the imagination without going for excess details to draw the eyes. I don’t think we need details just for detail sake. It also leaves space for custom work, in case you want to do some battle damage of your own, or want to paint details in.

If I was a better painter, I'd give Spider-man his Alex Ross colored outfit. As it stands, I might try giving Hulk his grey origin story color scheme, just to be different.

 Albino Squirrel wrote:

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Well, aside from the obvious differences in the standard of photography, it's blatantly obvious that most of the models for CP have been painted to a fairly low standard for publicity models. Allegedly they even used Citadel Contrast!

Setting that aside, is there anything fundamental misssing, detail wise, from the Starlord in that image and this one?

Until I see actual, high quality, sprue shots I won't make a final decision, but the models here show all the hallmarks of being painted to a deadline, If you've followed any number of releases from FW you'll understand how badly that can turn out. Plus most of the sculpts hit all the right notes given they're actually replicating an existing idea rather than starting from scratch.

 Theophony wrote:
Comic book art is about imagination

Really? I always thought comic book art was pretty explicit, much like most wargaming miniatures. And I've never heard anyone defend the quality of a miniature by saying "well, you can imagine it looking good".

That Starlord mini is fine, mind you, crappy photo and all. The biggest strike against it is the awkward coat and missing out on the iconic pose.

Going back to the last page about which version people are.
None of them will be MCU versions. (Or I’m sure I saw them say that somewhere?)
It’s just based on comics (though, that in many cases doesn’t narrow it down as there are many versions of each).

Ideally I’d like someone in my area to get this so I can give it a play and see.
Though I should really do the same with Batman, as I know people at the club have played it..

These folks seem super high on the game and its play mechanics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqPoVhzMvWo

I like the models, I like the terrain concepts, the price point doesn't bother me for a skirmish game, nor even the packaging strategy.

But the rules... ehh, they seem so meh.

Continuing this (far too) long trend of boring skirmish games. It seems like a marginal improvement over Warcry, which is about as basic as you can get before just simply throwing dice at the floor and giggling

I've fair curious to see how the team tactics play out. That seems to be something that can inject a lot of character and strategy in the system. At the very least, I think the core set is a good enough deal that its worth picking up to trying out.

WUWU wrote:

But the rules... ehh, they seem so meh.

That's my biggest nagging doubt, too.

But then, given there's likely a lot of FFG DNA in this (excessive tokens, proprietary game aids all being a big clue, alongside the corporate connections) it's quite possible that much of the intricacy of the gameplay resides in the cards, the X Wing core rules were barely any more complicated, the original core rules not much more than a four fold leaflet, and that had plenty of depth.

The tokens and widgets are probably more an influence of their Warmachine background than FFG influence really.

If you look at the Atomic Mass Games company address in the rulebook pdf, it's FFG headquarters.

I'm not entirely sure what the company dynamic is, but it appears this is an FFG property in all but name.

 AduroT wrote:
The tokens and widgets are probably more an influence of their Warmachine background than FFG influence really.

The use of "official" tools for the measurement of distance is not in the least WMH and completely Legion.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
The tokens and widgets are probably more an influence of their Warmachine background than FFG influence really.

The use of "official" tools for the measurement of distance is not in the least WMH and completely Legion.

Oh, they may not have been Official in Warmachine, but using precise measurement widgets for that super clean game is definitely a thing.

Not what I meant.

I play a lot of Guild Ball, which is a product of former WMH players, I also use measuring sticks. But those sticks are marked 4", 8" whatever, they're a choice of convenience and not needed.

Legion, X Wing, Armada and now this use proprietary S/M/L style templates without specifying range, sometimes even articulated.
t's not the same thing and entirely a hallmark of FFG releases.

Which is weird, because it dictates where you're allowed to change direction. Which might make sense for a vehicle game or something. A fast moving ship might have to travel farther before it can end up facing a different direction. But for a person walking it's a bit strange.

Those might be for vehicles, I don't play so I wouldn't know. That said, it does look like the cutout is designed for an infantry style round base.

What would make it weirder, infantry or vehicle, is the equivalent widget for capital ships in Armada has multiple points of articulation, so they clearly had already developed the idea of a bendy widget.