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This game cost more to produce each quarter than Necromunda, Blood Bowl and LOTR combined.

Chopstick wrote:
This game cost more to produce each quarter than Necromunda, Blood Bowl and LOTR combined.

How so? I’m not trying to be antagonistic, I am genuinely curious. Is it because all of the associated parts like the bases and the different scale/ more than one sprue per kit?

I will say the books are pretty high quality in feel compared to the Necromunda stuff I have owned.

 Sabotage! wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
This game cost more to produce each quarter than Necromunda, Blood Bowl and LOTR combined.

How so? I’m not trying to be antagonistic, I am genuinely curious. Is it because all of the associated parts like the bases and the different scale/ more than one sprue per kit?

I will say the books are pretty high quality in feel compared to the Necromunda stuff I have owned.

I suspect it's inferred from sprue count for each system; cost per shot is rather trivial so the bulk of a line's cost is going to come from design and tool-cutting. More tools = more cost.

Blood Bowl and Necromunda average a sprue per quarter released, barring unusual splashes like the big terrain sprues for Necromunda. The gang and team boxes are essentially just a double sprue pack like the "core" AI fighter boxes. This also doesn't account for times when the "quarterly" release is simply a repack of previously-released sprues such as the BB mixed teams up for pre-order or the Enforcer Subjugators being sold on their own.

Aeronautica in comparison has quite a lot of tools. The initial release I believe had 10 tools which, even accounting for it getting nothing between November and June, is a goodly chunk. The latest release has 6 new tools by my count which gives them 16 total. Across two years, Blood Bowl and Necromunda would expect to see about that many sprues and AI has gotten it in less than a year. While it may be another year before they add in the next grouping, that still likely "only" drops them down towards a level equal to two other games combined.

LOTR is a bit of a red herring in the mix since I don't think they're cutting tons of new plastic molds for it, and that makes it more difficult to gauge. However, I imagine that one can pretty readily argue that the play areas and bases being outsourced ups their production cost to somewhat comparable levels to the new models that are being produced for the range.

I don't know that this proves beyond all doubt that AI is getting more investment than the other three lines combined, but casual observance says that is a definite possibility.

I said effort, not investment tho. I enjoyed Dreadfleet more than nuAI

Did they make the stuff from the first release go OOP? I can't find the board anywhere.

Anything that isn't plastic kit or digital book is available while stock last. Sometime they might re-release sold out dice, but that's it.

Chopstick wrote:
Anything that isn't plastic kit or digital book is available while stock last. Sometime they might re-release sold out dice, but that's it.

Sigh. Typical GW. So this game is pretty much doomed to never going anywhere then.

I highly recommend anyone worried about longevity looks into picking up the two big hardback rulebooks from the original version of the game. They can be had for ~20-30 quid each on ebay, and they're more self-contained than the modern rules even if they end up lacking some of the more esoteric modern options(some will join me in finding that part of the appeal).

At least with those, if the new version stops being actively supported, you won't have issues starting your own new groups because of lacking some extra or addon or doodad.

Doesn't the original require some sort of maneuver card deck? Or is that photocopiable from the book?

It's in the book, and it's actually hard to do a turn or get someone in sight. In the new version every aircraft can do a 180 turn, and dive/climb rule are all mess up.

Thanks! This looks more interesting, albeit I can see some issues with precision.

Looking at it, I think a plastic movement template made of two new Hex bases could approximate these cards pretty well.


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The cheapest OG rulebook I can find on ebay UK is 60 pounds + 25 shipping....

I like to forced gained/loss altitude based on what maneuver is done. That would make the current choices more interesting and challenging.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Thanks! This looks more interesting, albeit I can see some issues with precision.

Looking at it, I think a plastic movement template made of two new Hex bases could approximate these cards pretty well.


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The cheapest OG rulebook I can find on ebay UK is 60 pounds + 25 shipping....

Apologies, I should have qualified that with "if you're prepared to watch for it". I was lucky and got the core book after a few of weeks of looking, but the expansion one took nearly three months of casual checking before I spotted one at a sane price(I consider "sane" to be "RRP if it's mint, and substantially less if it's not"). Like with most stuff, if you're willing to check more obsessively you'll probably spot a good deal sooner.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/07/21/flight-plan-reinforcements-inbound/

A re-prewview of old article and from the Taros book. Vulture is a nice aircraft with decent firepower, but give it rocket booster is nonsensical.

Being resin is also a huge minus, I hope those flimpsy gatling guns don't bend too badly.

News on the Arvus Lighter...

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/07/29/the-forges-are-relit/

Is there a difference in sprues between the aircraft in the starter boxes and the individual boxes?

 mjl7atlas wrote:
Is there a difference in sprues between the aircraft in the starter boxes and the individual boxes?

I do not believe so, no. I did not pick up this latest box set, only individual aircraft boxes, but the sprues were the same between the original launch box and individual aircraft boxes.

 mjl7atlas wrote:
Is there a difference in sprues between the aircraft in the starter boxes and the individual boxes?

No, you just get double in the individual boxes.

The Arvus and Vulture are up on preorder from Forgeworld. Alas, they are not exactly a bargain. And the Vulture only comes with the punisher cannon.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/08/07/forge-world-pre-order-airborne-reserves/

Cheers

TheGoodGerman wrote:
The Arvus and Vulture are up on preorder from Forgeworld. Alas, they are not exactly a bargain. And the Vulture only comes with the punisher cannon.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/08/07/forge-world-pre-order-airborne-reserves/

Cheers

Hmmm, I hope it's a web typo

Pricing is odd. Arvus will see use in AT and AI

I definitely want some arvus for AT but lil pricey for two.

Would push the boat out for the Arvus if able to order FW items through a local GW store.

Its a shame it wasn't to be a plastic kit becase I would have been straight in there, for both AT and Horizon Wars.

The arvus seems about right on its pricing. The vulture though, where did that pricing come from? Lol.

I’m hoping they’ve made a few typos in that listing.

Yea Arvus is reasonable, Vulture is insane.

fifty bucks for a couple Vultures? O_o

Yeah, the pricing on this line took it from "instabuy" to me initially, to kind of sitting on the sidelines. If it was less, I think I'd have had a lot better luck getting others interested. As it is, it's too expensive just to buy to "collect" and not get a chance to use, imo at least.

Avenger strike fighter pre-order next week.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/08/16/sunday-preview-snotlings-on-the-pitch-blades-in-the-underhive/

500-34 Aeronautica Imperialis NAVY AVENGER STRIKE FIGHTERS £26 rrp Due 29/08/20

Any reason why the ground assets went oop? Are they coming back?