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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 fraser1191 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I feel like complaints about him will die down once the model is in people's hands. Heck, considering how few people actually play Raven Guard chances are most of the people complaining wouldn't have bought him anyways.

I did a 180 on aggressors once I bought them. I thought they looked weird but now that I modeled some and painted them up they look fantastic. I don't play RG but if I had 1 wish it would be to magically change the paint of my army to the corresponding chapter I'm playing at will

I switched opinions once I was told the dangling bits on their crotch weren't molded there and were completely optional.

I haven’t looked at the kit. Are the rope bits attached to the reliquary a part of the reliquary or the torso?

Just looked at the sprues: the reliquaries are hooked onto the bit of rope which is seperate to the torso, so some gap filling may needed to make it work, even if you trim off the reliquary from the rope.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Just looked at the sprues: the reliquaries are hooked onto the bit of rope which is seperate to the torso, so some gap filling may needed to make it work, even if you trim off the reliquary from the rope.

Oh, good! I think they might look neat hanging off the non-busy pauldron, or, without rope, mounted somewhere.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 fraser1191 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I feel like complaints about him will die down once the model is in people's hands. Heck, considering how few people actually play Raven Guard chances are most of the people complaining wouldn't have bought him anyways.

I did a 180 on aggressors once I bought them. I thought they looked weird but now that I modeled some and painted them up they look fantastic. I don't play RG but if I had 1 wish it would be to magically change the paint of my army to the corresponding chapter I'm playing at will

I switched opinions once I was told the dangling bits on their crotch weren't molded there and were completely optional.

It's funny the reliquaries are so disliked because the idea of carrying bits of bone into battle is one of the more Imperial things in the game.

I see complaints that Primaris need more baubles, but then the baubles they do get are apparently the wrong kind (despite being pretty on point for the setting).

Placement is key. They'd be less offensive if they were hanging from the wrist instead of the crotch

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 fraser1191 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I feel like complaints about him will die down once the model is in people's hands. Heck, considering how few people actually play Raven Guard chances are most of the people complaining wouldn't have bought him anyways.

I did a 180 on aggressors once I bought them. I thought they looked weird but now that I modeled some and painted them up they look fantastic. I don't play RG but if I had 1 wish it would be to magically change the paint of my army to the corresponding chapter I'm playing at will

I switched opinions once I was told the dangling bits on their crotch weren't molded there and were completely optional.

It's funny the reliquaries are so disliked because the idea of carrying bits of bone into battle is one of the more Imperial things in the game.

I see complaints that Primaris need more baubles, but then the baubles they do get are apparently the wrong kind (despite being pretty on point for the setting).

Placement is key. They'd be less offensive if they were hanging from the wrist instead of the crotch

in fairness reliquaries hanging from the waist like that is pretty typical I'm almost posivite I've seen regular marine units with similer placement.

I cant think of any classic marine units with huge reliquaries placed over the crotch in such a fashion. Its the placement that make it look odd.

Maybe that is part of his strike from the shadows, the smoke wafts up from the crotch region and he carries his darkness with him. No need to pop smoke when you are the smoke.

Lol I love how people complain about the pose of the new Shrike.

The old one was literally dancing to the sound of music.

 Ishagu wrote:
Lol I love how people complain about the pose of the new Shrike.

The old one was literally dancing to the sound of music.

The hills are aliiiiive with the sounds of puuuurging!

 Ishagu wrote:
Lol I love how people complain about the pose of the new Shrike.

The old one was literally dancing to the sound of music.

Yes! The old model was awful. Truly bad.

 Ishagu wrote:
Lol I love how people complain about the pose of the new Shrike.

The old one was literally dancing to the sound of music.

I am sure people can dislike both

Nope, if you dislike one you must love the other one. Thems the rules.

AngryAngel80 wrote:
Nope, if you dislike one you must love the other one. Thems the rules.

You can't have any pudding if you don't eat your meat.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

AngryAngel80 wrote:
Nope, if you dislike one you must love the other one. Thems the rules.

You can't have any pudding if you don't eat your meat.

Exactly, gotta do one before the other. Otherwise the machine breaks down.

Andykp wrote:

 Ishagu wrote:
Lol I love how people complain about the pose of the new Shrike.

The old one was literally dancing to the sound of music.

Yes! The old model was awful. Truly bad.

it didn';t help that it didn't have anything special about it, why bother making it when you could basicly kitbash your own (and not deal with finecast)

That never stoped GW from making models. Grey Knights only new 8th ed model was Voldus, and he is a termintor with a bare head and a thunder hammer. You can build a model like that with the plastic termintor box, I think.

I'll be honest: I want Mordrak back. Nothing special about his wargear but being haunted by ghostly battle brethren was a cool idea.

Karol wrote:
That never stoped GW from making models. Grey Knights only new 8th ed model was Voldus, and he is a termintor with a bare head and a thunder hammer. You can build a model like that with the plastic termintor box, I think.

yeah but he looks BETTER then what you can built from scratch

Now I haven't seen the model for plastic termintors, but from the stuff online, the difference between either is minimal at best. He is a standing dude with a hammer and stormbolter. A plastic termintor can do that too. Am just not sure if GK termintors come with helmetless option that is all. Plus on top of that they are not 35$ for one model.


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 ClockworkZion wrote:
I'll be honest: I want Mordrak back. Nothing special about his wargear but being haunted by ghostly battle brethren was a cool idea.

Sadly I do not know what or who a Mordrak is. But from what people told me here, Grey Knights lost a lot of model options when GW stoped doing metal models.

He was actually a pretty fun character, I did like his back story. Another casualty of the no model no rules crusade.

grey knights really IMHO had their soul ripped out in the conversion from 5th to 6th. whatever your issues with Matt Ward, the 5th edition GK codex had a real sense of identity to it. and a real purpose, they where fluffed as anti demon specialsits and they could do that job really well (in addition to being damn effective vs psykers over all)

6th edition in the process of toning them down also detroyed the armies soul. and the Grey Knights have been a shambling zombie ever since.

BrianDavion wrote:
grey knights really IMHO had their soul ripped out in the conversion from 5th to 6th. whatever your issues with Matt Ward, the 5th edition GK codex had a real sense of identity to it. and a real purpose, they where fluffed as anti demon specialsits and they could do that job really well (in addition to being damn effective vs psykers over all)

6th edition in the process of toning them down also detroyed the armies soul. and the Grey Knights have been a shambling zombie ever since.

Mmm, imo the 3rd-4th edition Daemon Hunters book was far superior to the Wardian Grey Knight 5th.

 Insectum7 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
grey knights really IMHO had their soul ripped out in the conversion from 5th to 6th. whatever your issues with Matt Ward, the 5th edition GK codex had a real sense of identity to it. and a real purpose, they where fluffed as anti demon specialsits and they could do that job really well (in addition to being damn effective vs psykers over all)

6th edition in the process of toning them down also detroyed the armies soul. and the Grey Knights have been a shambling zombie ever since.

Mmm, imo the 3rd-4th edition Daemon Hunters book was far superior to the Wardian Grey Knight 5th.

before my time sadly. but the fact is that by 6th edition Grey Knight had lost their soul. and that remains to this day. GKs in 8th edition do not feel like an elite corps of deamon hunters.

BrianDavion wrote:
grey knights really IMHO had their soul ripped out in the conversion from 5th to 6th. whatever your issues with Matt Ward, the 5th edition GK codex had a real sense of identity to it. and a real purpose, they where fluffed as anti demon specialsits and they could do that job really well (in addition to being damn effective vs psykers over all)

6th edition in the process of toning them down also detroyed the armies soul. and the Grey Knights have been a shambling zombie ever since.

I'd say the same for BA.

well with any luck blood angels will get codex 8.5 and will get back their soul. that said I've not seen anything that specificly rendered the blood angels souless. "less powerful" doesn't mean missing their soul

 Insectum7 wrote:


6th edition in the process of toning them down also detroyed the armies soul. and the Grey Knights have been a shambling zombie ever since.

Mmm, imo the 3rd-4th edition Daemon Hunters book was far superior to the Wardian Grey Knight 5th.

The Daemonhunters book included Grey Knights as well as Inquisitorial forces and adjuncts. It built upon the idea that Grey Knights operated more as a branch of the Inquisition and less of a stand-alone army. In a time without generic allies rules, it provided rules for fielding them along side other forces, which Imo is most fitting.

The 5th Ed. book doubled down on Grey Knights as their own force, and built them out with a bunch of new units. I believe that's when we got the Dreadknight, Draigo, a notorious story involving the sacrifice of Sisters of Battle, Psycannons everywhere, etc. The presentation of Grey Knights got more cartooney, imo.

BrianDavion wrote:
grey knights really IMHO had their soul ripped out in the conversion from 5th to 6th. whatever your issues with Matt Ward, the 5th edition GK codex had a real sense of identity to it. and a real purpose, they where fluffed as anti demon specialsits and they could do that job really well (in addition to being damn effective vs psykers over all)

6th edition in the process of toning them down also detroyed the armies soul. and the Grey Knights have been a shambling zombie ever since.

Not exactly, I like zombies, I don't like current GK. I do miss the 5th ed and even the one before that was better.

BrianDavion wrote:
well with any luck blood angels will get codex 8.5 and will get back their soul. that said I've not seen anything that specificly rendered the blood angels souless. "less powerful" doesn't mean missing their soul

It's not the question of power. BA in 5th edition could do mechanized assault list, archangels, golden wing, blood rodeo, descent of angels, death wing, air cavalry list, these were all drastically different lists that were nevertheless all viable and fun to play. Current 3x smash captains garbage might be stronger but it gaks all over fluff, is not fun for either side, makes modelling rest of the army pointless, and in general makes you question your hobby choices. Try to play these lists, then talk anything about power being ""soul"" of anything...

 Insectum7 wrote:
Mmm, imo the 3rd-4th edition Daemon Hunters book was far superior to the Wardian Grey Knight 5th.

You mean that complete garbage that was pathetically underpowered in 3rd, before rolling down to unplayable in 4th, with such gems as GK captains being mooks with a single wound and new GK inductees not being told how to activate their lightsab-- I mean, force swords, making them comically ineffective in fighting their supposed main target, daemons? That one? With one of the funniest fast attack units in 40K history? With fluff being in some places even worse than the rules? So bereft of options you needed to start spending points on imaginary "units" consisting of blasts even in mid sized games?

I still remember all the 'water way' articles written in abused housewife style where the players tried to cope somehow and piece together something resembling any remotely winning strategy (read - lose by 5th or 6th turn instead of usual 2nd, because the book was incapable of even a draw, never mind a win even against list spamming chaos spawn, then one of the worst units in the game). People who complain about GK now would probably cut their own wrists with their own dice if they had to play with this junk

 Insectum7 wrote:
The Daemonhunters book included Grey Knights as well as Inquisitorial forces and adjuncts. It built upon the idea that Grey Knights operated more as a branch of the Inquisition and less of a stand-alone army. In a time without generic allies rules, it provided rules for fielding them along side other forces, which Imo is most fitting.

The 5th Ed. book doubled down on Grey Knights as their own force, and built them out with a bunch of new units. I believe that's when we got the Dreadknight, Draigo, a notorious story involving the sacrifice of Sisters of Battle, Psycannons everywhere, etc. The presentation of Grey Knights got more cartooney, imo.

Translation - made GK worthless mooks dragging the army down, and the only way to make your list better was to take less GK, more inquisitorial models.

Brilliant writing!

Incidentally, you're completely wrong because 5th edition book massively expanded upon the Inquisitiorial side (Xenos, anyone?) and let you do both the 'branch' approach to list building, or field army consisting purely of GK or Inquisition - and all three approaches were viable and fun. Some less so, but there was no one obvious monobuild problem most armies suffer from today. You even had multiple variant GK armies in Crowewing, Paladinwing, or Ghost drop with Thawn for extra durability. Gee, having actual choice and fun building lists, what a terrible DEVIL Ward was to give it to players!

I played both GK and BA in 5th edition occasionally, and it still boggles my mind how far superior the individual option balancing system was compared to armory and how much variance there was in HQ unlocks and rules trying to buff all iconic items compared to today...

BrianDavion wrote:
well with any luck blood angels will get codex 8.5 and will get back their soul. that said I've not seen anything that specificly rendered the blood angels souless. "less powerful" doesn't mean missing their soul

A melee-focused army that can't win a melee? Even with very expensive units? And still can't win? Specialty dreads ruined, Baal predator useless. They are red ultramarines with no Bobby G.