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Is there more than Gman, on the Loyalist side, that we know about and are confirmed alive and running about? Not counting possible alive: like, we know Vulkan is a perpetual, but no one has seen him since he fell into the warp reactor and killed off the WAAAAAhhhhh or whatever. The Lion is supposedly (I know little on this) in suspended animation in a vault somewhere?

Are there other primarchs that are alive and well, and serving their father's purpose, outside of Gman?

Ferrus, Sanguinius: dead af
Russ, Corax, Khan: sort of cryptically ran off after the HH; not seen since
Dorn: missing, sans hand

Well confirmed is messy word to use but basically yes.
Corax and Jaghatai are probably doing stuff behind the scenes like they always have. Russ is in the warp possibly Magnus’ prisoner. As a Primarch and a perpetual (who seem to only be killable by demons) Vulkan is literally invincible as no demon has an overwhelming enough of an advantage on him to kill him or even put him down for long. So he’s for sure still around.
Rogal Dorn isn’t confirmed dead but man if it’s hard not to believe he isn’t.


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It’s probably worth mentioning Primarchs have bonkers Comic book like regen. Fulgrim went from legless to completed legs and the begginnings of feet in like an hour.
Rogal has his hands back if he’s still kickin’

Lion is confirmed alive and asleep aboard the Rock.

So, I'm pretty sure Vulkan is dead according to the book I read, but I may be mis-remembering it. Wasn't he like torn apart by a warp reactor?

Dorn is awesome, but very likely dead. Russ is supposed to be behind the return of the 13th Great Crusade from the Warp, which I think is lore practical.

Lion is confirmed alive, but in stasis.

Khan, didn't they just release a new model for him? Like, the Primaris version?

Vulkan has been through worse.

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:

Khan, didn't they just release a new model for him? Like, the Primaris version?

Wrong Khan.

Sterling191 wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:

Khan, didn't they just release a new model for him? Like, the Primaris version?

Wrong Khan.

All Khans look the same to me...Except for Chaka Khan, who is the Queen of Funk.

Dark Angels - Lion, alive watchers are just waiting to wake him up in time of need.
White Scars - Khan, Alive, in the webway somewhere
Space Wolves - Leman Russ, In the warp, believed to be coming back a loyalist wolf boy.
Imperial Fists - Rogal Dorn, Believed to be dead but only hand is found so could be alive.
Blood Angels - Sanguin by, Dead AF
Iron Hands - Ferus Manus Dead AF
Ultra marines - Bobby G, we know as we have a model and is currently leading imperium of man
Salamanders - Vulkan, last seen fighting an ork where vulkans hammer smash did sweet FA. fate unknown.
Raven Guard - Corax, last seen being batman heading for eye of terror, fate unknown.
Alpha Legion - Alpharius and Omegon, believed to have been killed but perhaps anyone could be them???? who knows.

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
So, I'm pretty sure Vulkan is dead according to the book I read, but I may be mis-remembering it. Wasn't he like torn apart by a warp reactor?

Dorn is awesome, but very likely dead. Russ is supposed to be behind the return of the 13th Great Crusade from the Warp, which I think is lore practical.

Lion is confirmed alive, but in stasis.

Khan, didn't they just release a new model for him? Like, the Primaris version?

Vulkan got totally smudged to pulp from an unprotected orbital drop before. A warp reactor is worse, but I wouldn't count him out.

Dorn was definitely dead in old canon, but there's been hints it may not be true anymore. Certainly not confirmed alive though.

Lion is likely to return eventually. Very easy, turn off status when the narrative demands it.

That's Khan the chapter master, not the Primarch. Khan is just a cultural title meaning leader, different guy.

I'm waiting for the most loyal primarch of them all to come out of hiding: Lorgar. His works literally make the foundation of the imperiums religious movement, he's also not been seen since running into the eye if memory serves right?

Daemons of the imperium needs to happen.

Sly Marbo is Rogal Dorn. He's just been on vacation on Catachan these last few decades.

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:

Sterling191 wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:

Khan, didn't they just release a new model for him? Like, the Primaris version?

Wrong Khan.

All Khans look the same to me...Except for Chaka Khan, who is the Queen of Funk.

The Primarch one has like 4 feet of height on the other bruv.
Kinda noticeable


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Dudeface wrote:
I'm waiting for the most loyal primarch of them all to come out of hiding: Lorgar. His works literally make the foundation of the imperiums religious movement, he's also not been seen since running into the eye if memory serves right?

Daemons of the imperium needs to happen.

You mean the Legion of the Damned?
Kek


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 Stux wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
So, I'm pretty sure Vulkan is dead according to the book I read, but I may be mis-remembering it. Wasn't he like torn apart by a warp reactor?

Dorn is awesome, but very likely dead. Russ is supposed to be behind the return of the 13th Great Crusade from the Warp, which I think is lore practical.

Lion is confirmed alive, but in stasis.

Khan, didn't they just release a new model for him? Like, the Primaris version?

Vulkan got totally smudged to pulp from an unprotected orbital drop before. A warp reactor is worse, but I wouldn't count him out.

Dorn was definitely dead in old canon, but there's been hints it may not be true anymore. Certainly not confirmed alive though.

Lion is likely to return eventually. Very easy, turn off status when the narrative demands it.

That's Khan the chapter master, not the Primarch. Khan is just a cultural title meaning leader, different guy.

So with perpetual the actual state of those body doesn’t matter for gak, only the state of their soul. Vulkan’s A-Ok.

 ThePrimordial wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:

Sterling191 wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:

Khan, didn't they just release a new model for him? Like, the Primaris version?

Wrong Khan.

All Khans look the same to me...Except for Chaka Khan, who is the Queen of Funk.

The Primarch one has like 4 feet of height on the other bruv.
Kinda noticeable


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Dudeface wrote:
I'm waiting for the most loyal primarch of them all to come out of hiding: Lorgar. His works literally make the foundation of the imperiums religious movement, he's also not been seen since running into the eye if memory serves right?

Daemons of the imperium needs to happen.

You mean the Legion of the Damned?
Kek


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 Stux wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
So, I'm pretty sure Vulkan is dead according to the book I read, but I may be mis-remembering it. Wasn't he like torn apart by a warp reactor?

Dorn is awesome, but very likely dead. Russ is supposed to be behind the return of the 13th Great Crusade from the Warp, which I think is lore practical.

Lion is confirmed alive, but in stasis.

Khan, didn't they just release a new model for him? Like, the Primaris version?

Vulkan got totally smudged to pulp from an unprotected orbital drop before. A warp reactor is worse, but I wouldn't count him out.

Dorn was definitely dead in old canon, but there's been hints it may not be true anymore. Certainly not confirmed alive though.

Lion is likely to return eventually. Very easy, turn off status when the narrative demands it.

That's Khan the chapter master, not the Primarch. Khan is just a cultural title meaning leader, different guy.

So with perpetual the actual state of those body doesn’t matter for gak, only the state of their soul. Vulkan’s A-Ok.

But that's not exactly true. There are other perpetuals that have "failed" to come back. The guy who stood up to Horus, Vulkan, and the other guy, who wasn't a primarch, but maybe a Chapter Master? I forget, but there was a third perpetual in one of the books, who was "destroyed" by a particularly powerful Psyker. All three were "killed" by warp energies, and didn't come back. It's hard, but it's possible.

Also, isn't the Big E a perpetual? He's not popping back up and doing jumping jacks with the Custodes...

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:

 ThePrimordial wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:

Sterling191 wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:

Khan, didn't they just release a new model for him? Like, the Primaris version?

Wrong Khan.

All Khans look the same to me...Except for Chaka Khan, who is the Queen of Funk.

The Primarch one has like 4 feet of height on the other bruv.
Kinda noticeable


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Dudeface wrote:
I'm waiting for the most loyal primarch of them all to come out of hiding: Lorgar. His works literally make the foundation of the imperiums religious movement, he's also not been seen since running into the eye if memory serves right?

Daemons of the imperium needs to happen.

You mean the Legion of the Damned?
Kek


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 Stux wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
So, I'm pretty sure Vulkan is dead according to the book I read, but I may be mis-remembering it. Wasn't he like torn apart by a warp reactor?

Dorn is awesome, but very likely dead. Russ is supposed to be behind the return of the 13th Great Crusade from the Warp, which I think is lore practical.

Lion is confirmed alive, but in stasis.

Khan, didn't they just release a new model for him? Like, the Primaris version?

Vulkan got totally smudged to pulp from an unprotected orbital drop before. A warp reactor is worse, but I wouldn't count him out.

Dorn was definitely dead in old canon, but there's been hints it may not be true anymore. Certainly not confirmed alive though.

Lion is likely to return eventually. Very easy, turn off status when the narrative demands it.

That's Khan the chapter master, not the Primarch. Khan is just a cultural title meaning leader, different guy.

So with perpetual the actual state of those body doesn’t matter for gak, only the state of their soul. Vulkan’s A-Ok.

But that's not exactly true. There are other perpetuals that have "failed" to come back. The guy who stood up to Horus, Vulkan, and the other guy, who wasn't a primarch, but maybe a Chapter Master? I forget, but there was a third perpetual in one of the books, who was "destroyed" by a particularly powerful Psyker. All three were "killed" by warp energies, and didn't come back. It's hard, but it's possible.

Also, isn't the Big E a perpetual? He's not popping back up and doing jumping jacks with the Custodes...

Its all conjecture but in the big Es case perpetual acrually need to die to come back and the golden throne ironically stops that. It’s also possible Horus figgity fethed up E money’s soul like he for sure did to Ol Pious.
An easily answered question.


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Vulkan just has a really strong soul. Souls only targetable through warp fuckery. Like psykers. Though mind you they’d need to be crazy strong.

Perpetuals aren't a consistent thing. It's just a category for people who have somewhat similar abilities. Different perpetuals have different rules and limits to their abilities. Some just live a really long time, others like Vulkan you can destroy and they pop back into existence.

They likely have different reasons for their abilities existing too. It's been hinted by authors we may learn more about the 'why?' in the remaining HH novels.

 ThePrimordial wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:

 ThePrimordial wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:

Sterling191 wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:

Khan, didn't they just release a new model for him? Like, the Primaris version?

Wrong Khan.

All Khans look the same to me...Except for Chaka Khan, who is the Queen of Funk.

The Primarch one has like 4 feet of height on the other bruv.
Kinda noticeable


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Dudeface wrote:
I'm waiting for the most loyal primarch of them all to come out of hiding: Lorgar. His works literally make the foundation of the imperiums religious movement, he's also not been seen since running into the eye if memory serves right?

Daemons of the imperium needs to happen.

You mean the Legion of the Damned?
Kek


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 Stux wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
So, I'm pretty sure Vulkan is dead according to the book I read, but I may be mis-remembering it. Wasn't he like torn apart by a warp reactor?

Dorn is awesome, but very likely dead. Russ is supposed to be behind the return of the 13th Great Crusade from the Warp, which I think is lore practical.

Lion is confirmed alive, but in stasis.

Khan, didn't they just release a new model for him? Like, the Primaris version?

Vulkan got totally smudged to pulp from an unprotected orbital drop before. A warp reactor is worse, but I wouldn't count him out.

Dorn was definitely dead in old canon, but there's been hints it may not be true anymore. Certainly not confirmed alive though.

Lion is likely to return eventually. Very easy, turn off status when the narrative demands it.

That's Khan the chapter master, not the Primarch. Khan is just a cultural title meaning leader, different guy.

So with perpetual the actual state of those body doesn’t matter for gak, only the state of their soul. Vulkan’s A-Ok.

But that's not exactly true. There are other perpetuals that have "failed" to come back. The guy who stood up to Horus, Vulkan, and the other guy, who wasn't a primarch, but maybe a Chapter Master? I forget, but there was a third perpetual in one of the books, who was "destroyed" by a particularly powerful Psyker. All three were "killed" by warp energies, and didn't come back. It's hard, but it's possible.

Also, isn't the Big E a perpetual? He's not popping back up and doing jumping jacks with the Custodes...

Its all conjecture but in the big Es case perpetual acrually need to die to come back and the golden throne ironically stops that. It’s also possible Horus figgity fethed up E money’s soul like he for sure did to Ol Pious.
An easily answered question.


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Vulkan just has a really strong soul. Souls only targetable through warp fuckery. Like psykers. Though mind you they’d need to be crazy strong.

Thing is, Horus was NEVER a super strong Psyker. He wasn't even a good Psyker. Hell, Tiggy/Ahriman were better Psykers, and they aren't even Primarchs. So I don't think Strength had anything to do with it. One could argue that the 1kSons Primarch is the "strongest" living psyker alive now, and he can't obliterate souls the same way other psykers do.

I think it's just like a Silver Bullet. The only way to kill a perpetual is to obliterate the soul, and for that you need Psyker attacks, or Warp energy. Guess what ol' Vulky fell into a giant unstable vat of?

I really hope Vulk's alive though, he's kinda my favorite. That being said, this is all just a fun exercise in fluff lore.

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:

 ThePrimordial wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:

 ThePrimordial wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:

Sterling191 wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:

Khan, didn't they just release a new model for him? Like, the Primaris version?

Wrong Khan.

All Khans look the same to me...Except for Chaka Khan, who is the Queen of Funk.

The Primarch one has like 4 feet of height on the other bruv.
Kinda noticeable


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Dudeface wrote:
I'm waiting for the most loyal primarch of them all to come out of hiding: Lorgar. His works literally make the foundation of the imperiums religious movement, he's also not been seen since running into the eye if memory serves right?

Daemons of the imperium needs to happen.

You mean the Legion of the Damned?
Kek


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 Stux wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
So, I'm pretty sure Vulkan is dead according to the book I read, but I may be mis-remembering it. Wasn't he like torn apart by a warp reactor?

Dorn is awesome, but very likely dead. Russ is supposed to be behind the return of the 13th Great Crusade from the Warp, which I think is lore practical.

Lion is confirmed alive, but in stasis.

Khan, didn't they just release a new model for him? Like, the Primaris version?

Vulkan got totally smudged to pulp from an unprotected orbital drop before. A warp reactor is worse, but I wouldn't count him out.

Dorn was definitely dead in old canon, but there's been hints it may not be true anymore. Certainly not confirmed alive though.

Lion is likely to return eventually. Very easy, turn off status when the narrative demands it.

That's Khan the chapter master, not the Primarch. Khan is just a cultural title meaning leader, different guy.

So with perpetual the actual state of those body doesn’t matter for gak, only the state of their soul. Vulkan’s A-Ok.

But that's not exactly true. There are other perpetuals that have "failed" to come back. The guy who stood up to Horus, Vulkan, and the other guy, who wasn't a primarch, but maybe a Chapter Master? I forget, but there was a third perpetual in one of the books, who was "destroyed" by a particularly powerful Psyker. All three were "killed" by warp energies, and didn't come back. It's hard, but it's possible.

Also, isn't the Big E a perpetual? He's not popping back up and doing jumping jacks with the Custodes...

Its all conjecture but in the big Es case perpetual acrually need to die to come back and the golden throne ironically stops that. It’s also possible Horus figgity fethed up E money’s soul like he for sure did to Ol Pious.
An easily answered question.


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Vulkan just has a really strong soul. Souls only targetable through warp fuckery. Like psykers. Though mind you they’d need to be crazy strong.

Thing is, Horus was NEVER a super strong Psyker. He wasn't even a good Psyker. Hell, Tiggy/Ahriman were better Psykers, and they aren't even Primarchs. So I don't think Strength had anything to do with it. One could argue that the 1kSons Primarch is the "strongest" living psyker alive now, and he can't obliterate souls the same way other psykers do.

I think it's just like a Silver Bullet. The only way to kill a perpetual is to obliterate the soul, and for that you need Psyker attacks, or Warp energy. Guess what ol' Vulky fell into a giant unstable vat of?

I really hope Vulk's alive though, he's kinda my favorite. That being said, this is all just a fun exercise in fluff lore.

Waaagh energy. Technically not the same thing. It’s way more stable. Theoretically it could have the same effect but it’s not like being vaporized by a psychic fireball destroys your soul. That seems to take intention and much more concise power. A different power or what have you.
Oh and post Molech Horus is a goofy strong Psyker.
The funny thing is Magnus can literally drag the souls of thousand sons back from the warp. Yeah he can literally cast resurrection. That alone is supposed to be a huge benefit to Sons still loyal to him and one of the reasons his legion isn’t heavily splintered and mostly still his.

Anathama(sp?) Blades can kill perpetuals.

Though by now i expect gw to return them all

 SeanDavid1991 wrote:
Raven Guard - Corax, last seen being batman heading for eye of terror, fate unknown

Actually nope, recent short story has him


Before this story, I'd put Corax low on the 'returning' list but it seems besides Rob he is the only active loyalist (that we know of).

What story is that from?

Pretty much the only one confirmed alive is the Lion and that's going back a few additions now. I'm actually a bit surprised he hasn't shown up yet, though the delay might be them wanting him to have a 30k model first before he pops back up.

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Is there more than Gman, on the Loyalist side, that we know about and are confirmed alive and running about? Not counting possible alive: like, we know Vulkan is a perpetual, but no one has seen him since he fell into the warp reactor and killed off the WAAAAAhhhhh or whatever. The Lion is supposedly (I know little on this) in suspended animation in a vault somewhere?

Are there other primarchs that are alive and well, and serving their father's purpose, outside of Gman?

The Lion is taking a nap on the Rock, with the Watchers in the Dark bringing him intravenous milk and cookies to keep him alive.

Corvus is alive, but might not be Corvus anymore. He just had a run-in with Lorgar not too long ago.

Dorn is... unknown. He's been dead, and he's been alive without his hands.

Vulkan is... probably alive. He was last seen in a mega explosion he didn't want to be involved in because he wasn't too into the leaving Dad's basement thing anymore.

Jagatai is... probably alive. He was last seen running into the Webway after some Dark.. Druchi. If he was captured they would have kept him alive for their sport, if he wasn't captured he'd be alive making their lives miserable.

Ferrus is... either dead, not Ferrus, or both. Ferrus lost his head on Istvaan, and there are rumors of various Chaos people helping him find his head in various constructs and creations.

Sanguinius is dead.

Russ is probably alive. He took off for the Eye and promised to return for the Wolf Time

The only one REALLY confirmed alive is Johnson. None who would have died after the Heresy have been confirmed dead. They were all given a legend/rumormill/etc that mystically kept them off the tabletop before they decided to upsize the units/power level.

The concept of a perpetual is one of the worst added to 40k by Dan abnett (alongside fenris' ecosystem being human wolf monsters).

It completely undermines the gravitas of sacrifice and death of important characters, while just arbitrarily giving humanity immortality... Because?

Perpetuals are more powerful than sensei (the emperor's own children...) And superior to the reincarnating psykers that merged to create the emperor.

Vulkan (my top 2 fav primarch) becomes an absolute parody of all the worst excesses of poor writing - he can't die, so let's kill him as many times as possible, undermining the power of a primarch while also making him an autowin Deus ex machina.

If he didn't die in the beast returns then they've lost all sense of narrative consequence.


I much preferred the 2nd ed line "although long lived, the primarchs were not immortal and the last of their kind died out 8000 years ago" (paraphrasing-and ignoring the immortality gained by daemon Princedom).

I don't think, if GW wanted to, sanguinius and Ferris would stay dead. If they really want a 10k reunion, they would write some gak to bring them all back.

Maybe even revealing who the lost 2 are to wring some more mileage out of it.

Hellebore wrote:
The concept of a perpetual is one of the worst added to 40k by Dan abnett (alongside fenris' ecosystem being human wolf monsters).

It completely undermines the gravitas of sacrifice and death of important characters, while just arbitrarily giving humanity immortality... Because?

Perpetuals are more powerful than sensei (the emperor's own children...) And superior to the reincarnating psykers that merged to create the emperor.

Vulkan (my top 2 fav primarch) becomes an absolute parody of all the worst excesses of poor writing - he can't die, so let's kill him as many times as possible, undermining the power of a primarch while also making him an autowin Deus ex machina.

If he didn't die in the beast returns then they've lost all sense of narrative consequence.


I much preferred the 2nd ed line "although long lived, the primarchs were not immortal and the last of their kind died out 8000 years ago" (paraphrasing-and ignoring the immortality gained by daemon Princedom).

I don't think, if GW wanted to, sanguinius and Ferris would stay dead. If they really want a 10k reunion, they would write some gak to bring them all back.

Maybe even revealing who the lost 2 are to wring some more mileage out of it.

They're unlikely to ever reveal the Lost And the Forgotten. At the very least because they're the Never Gave and It Any Thought. Those two were for the players. I think they do bring back Sanguinius if they're bringing them "all" back for another go-round, but I don't think they bring back Ferrus. At least not to the tabletop. They'll bring back Sanguinius so each major book has a Primarch. They'll roll out another primarch or two on the Chaos side as well but I don't see them bringing any of those back. It'll be Lorgar/Perturabo for the Black Legion/Undividied, plus one for each god.

Just to be sure, is this "perpetual" thing has any other source besides one BL author?
I didn's saw this word in codex or rulebook.

Silver144 wrote:
Just to be sure, is this "perpetual" thing has any other source besides one BL author?
I didn's saw this word in codex or rulebook.

it's been mentioned in some of the other HH stuff, but it's not like they're going around declaring all the various 40k heros as being perpetuals.

Hellebore wrote:


I much preferred the 2nd ed line "although long lived, the primarchs were not immortal and the last of their kind died out 8000 years ago" (paraphrasing-and ignoring the immortality gained by daemon Princedom).

dead primarchs + little horus hersey info + a near dead emperor made the whole setting way better imo. there was this mythic time of a god emperor striding into battle alongside his super-powered sons and destroying all before him but that was long ago and there is little hope left in the face of growing threats of chaos and xenos, with the emperor's only input being whispers in the dark of the warp. now the setting seems a bit more like an avengers movie

i suppose its similar to the Star Wars prequels, where the idea alone of the clone wars and the old jedi was better than actually showing it (and i say that as someone who is glad the prequels exist)

Hellebore wrote:
The concept of a perpetual is one of the worst added to 40k by Dan abnett (alongside fenris' ecosystem being human wolf monsters).

It completely undermines the gravitas of sacrifice and death of important characters, while just arbitrarily giving humanity immortality... Because?

Perpetuals are more powerful than sensei (the emperor's own children...) And superior to the reincarnating psykers that merged to create the emperor.

Vulkan (my top 2 fav primarch) becomes an absolute parody of all the worst excesses of poor writing - he can't die, so let's kill him as many times as possible, undermining the power of a primarch while also making him an autowin Deus ex machina.

If he didn't die in the beast returns then they've lost all sense of narrative consequence.


I much preferred the 2nd ed line "although long lived, the primarchs were not immortal and the last of their kind died out 8000 years ago" (paraphrasing-and ignoring the immortality gained by daemon Princedom).

I don't think, if GW wanted to, sanguinius and Ferris would stay dead. If they really want a 10k reunion, they would write some gak to bring them all back.

Maybe even revealing who the lost 2 are to wring some more mileage out of it.

I'm disappointed to hear that Abnett is responsible for this muck. I was lead to believe he was the best writer in the Black Library stable. Also that line you paraphrased from 2nd ed. is great! It's so bittersweet, as though, our ancestors were fortunate to have actual gods walk amongst them, but we shall never again see their kind. It conjures up such a sense of awesomeness tainted by tragic loss.

 Ginjitzu wrote:
I'm disappointed to hear that Abnett is responsible for this muck. I was lead to believe he was the best writer in the Black Library stable.

Oh he could well be, the bars not set very high....

HoundsofDemos wrote:
What story is that from?

It is the Gav Thorpe story "Shadows of the Past" which is included in the "Sons of the Emperor" anthology.

It is interesting to note that Corax kicks Lorgar's tail after his ascension to daemonhood. One of the Word Bearers is shocked to see Lorgar bleeding Chaos runes instead of blood. Corax seems to have found a way to power up to the point he can go toe-to-toe with the Daemon Primarchs without actually turning to Chaos himself.