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2019/08/21 13:04:49
Subject: + Space Marines 8th Edition Codex Mark II Tactica +
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Implacable Skitarii
Ottawa, Canada
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casvalremdeikun wrote:And Sternguard didn't really lose SIA. Their Special Issue Boltguns combine 3/4 of the Special Issue Ammos into one and Masterful Marksmanship closes the gap on the fourth one.
It's a bit unfortunate that they lose out on the bonuses when using combi weapons though. Would have been nice to keep the extra range and AP on the normal bolter part.
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2019/08/21 13:16:15
Subject: + Space Marines 8th Edition Codex Mark II Tactica +
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Pyro Pilot of a Triach Stalker
Somewhere over the rainbow, way up high
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What would be the optimal means of running sternguard now.
I'm imagining keeping the base bolters, and giving the sarg a power fist. 10 man squad in a drop pod? What chapter does them best?
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Bedouin Dynasty: 10000 pts
The Silver Lances: 4000 pts
The Custodes Winter Watch 4000 pts
MajorStoffer wrote:
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Sternguard though, those guys are all about kicking ass. They'd chew bubble gum as well, but bubble gum is heretical. Only tau chew gum. |
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2019/08/21 13:23:32
Subject: + Space Marines 8th Edition Codex Mark II Tactica +
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Morally-Flexible Malleus Hearing Whispers
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Whispering softly:
please make a new GK codex...
please make a new GK codex...
please make a new GK codex...
please make a new GK codex...
please make a new GK codex...
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2019/08/21 14:21:30
Subject: + Space Marines 8th Edition Codex Mark II Tactica +
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Klickor wrote:
Would be quite cheap and decimate any troops and screening units that block my blood angels from deepstriking and charging in to melee.
As Iron Hands, we look to kill more than just 10% of our opponent's troops, The Flesh Is Weak!
Automatically Appended Next Post: FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:Whispering softly:
please make a new GK codex...
please make a new GK codex...
please make a new GK codex...
please make a new GK codex...
please make a new GK codex...
It's ok, everything will be alright .... *grabs pillow* ... Ave Imperator ... *smothers poor GK player to end their pain*
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2019/08/21 14:56:30
Subject: + Space Marines 8th Edition Codex Mark II Tactica +
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Inquisitorial Keeper of the Xenobanks
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Can the +1 to assault trait be combined with the +2 to charge litany ?
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2019/08/21 15:14:41
Subject: + Space Marines 8th Edition Codex Mark II Tactica +
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Yes it can b but remember the priest has to cast his powers at the start of the battle round. So he cant be in deepstrike and do it.
Can someone explain to me how vanguard vets can get 2 chainswords? I was under the impression they have to have a pistol and a CCW.
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2019/08/21 15:32:44
Subject: + Space Marines 8th Edition Codex Mark II Tactica +
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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They can not in the 2019 codex. Its probably an index option people are taking. I don't know if i would bother since who knows how long the indexes have.
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2019/08/21 15:48:36
Subject: + Space Marines 8th Edition Codex Mark II Tactica +
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Dakka Veteran
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tksolway wrote:Klickor wrote:
Would be quite cheap and decimate any troops and screening units that block my blood angels from deepstriking and charging in to melee.
As Iron Hands, we look to kill more than just 10% of our opponent's troops, The Flesh Is Weak!
Its stupid that decimate can mean kill 10% or 90% in the same context. Should have used massacre instead
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2019/08/21 16:27:29
Subject: + Space Marines 8th Edition Codex Mark II Tactica +
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Inquisitorial Keeper of the Xenobanks
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demontalons wrote:Yes it can b but remember the priest has to cast his powers at the start of the battle round. So he cant be in deepstrike and do it.
Can someone explain to me how vanguard vets can get 2 chainswords? I was under the impression they have to have a pistol and a CCW.
Because I do remember I read something like "can not be stacked with any other modifier"
So if it's legal and it does work, I would be a very happy Chapter Master !
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2019/08/21 16:30:29
Subject: + Space Marines 8th Edition Codex Mark II Tactica +
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Ship's Officer
London
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Klickor wrote:tksolway wrote:Klickor wrote:
Would be quite cheap and decimate any troops and screening units that block my blood angels from deepstriking and charging in to melee.
As Iron Hands, we look to kill more than just 10% of our opponent's troops, The Flesh Is Weak!
Its stupid that decimate can mean kill 10% or 90% in the same context. Should have used massacre instead
I don't care if you're leaving 90% of the enemy alive or only 10%. It's still heresy to leave any of them alive.
Has anyone spotted a clever use for the marine aircraft since the new book came out? I certainly have not. The storm raven might possibly have some use now, especially since assault centurions are so awesome, but the little guys don't seem at all worth their cost. Am I missing something?
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2019/08/21 17:26:48
Subject: + Space Marines 8th Edition Codex Mark II Tactica +
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Correct godardc you can not use the chaplains +2 to charge with any other add to charge bonus, so no 6" charging marines.
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2019/08/21 17:44:38
Subject: + Space Marines 8th Edition Codex Mark II Tactica +
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Fixture of Dakka
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Klickor wrote:tksolway wrote:Klickor wrote:
Would be quite cheap and decimate any troops and screening units that block my blood angels from deepstriking and charging in to melee.
As Iron Hands, we look to kill more than just 10% of our opponent's troops, The Flesh Is Weak!
Its stupid that decimate can mean kill 10% or 90% in the same context. Should have used massacre instead
A word meaning something and the opposite/inverse of that same thing is literally the dumbest thing ever.
(Please forgive me for using *that* meaning of `literally`.)
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2019/08/21 18:24:17
Subject: Re:+ Space Marines 8th Edition Codex Mark II Tactica +
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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No. They have BS 3+, they don't shoot any better than intercessors. One more bolter is not gonna change anything, a bunch of WS 2+ power sword attacks might. Even if your lieutenant was sitting in the back lines giving rerolls, some close combat deterrence is nice to have. I really hope that they could have the sword and the gun like the sergeants though...
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2019/08/21 18:44:36
Subject: + Space Marines 8th Edition Codex Mark II Tactica +
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Omnipotent Necron Overlord
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Even so. The best build for primaris is a MC SBR. A power sword? Nah...LT shouldn't really be in combat anyways. He should be buffing as many units as possible and shooting a gun.
For Mini Lt he has more options. Storm bolter and power fist just makes sense cause he has ws2+. I'd rather have a beefer LT due to snipers though.
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If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
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2019/08/21 18:52:25
Subject: + Space Marines 8th Edition Codex Mark II Tactica +
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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Why?
A power sword? Nah...LT shouldn't really be in combat anyways.
Your opponent might have other ideas.
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2019/08/21 19:01:10
Subject: + Space Marines 8th Edition Codex Mark II Tactica +
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Omnipotent Necron Overlord
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Crimson wrote:Why?
A power sword? Nah...LT shouldn't really be in combat anyways.
Your opponent might have other ideas.
Mostly because a power sword isn't even great melle and there is a good chance you will never even use it. The stalker will probably shoot 3-4 times in a game and with flat 3 damage that can be a bit deal.
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If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
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2019/08/21 19:28:16
Subject: + Space Marines 8th Edition Codex Mark II Tactica +
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Xenomancers wrote:Even so. The best build for primaris is a MC SBR. A power sword? Nah...LT shouldn't really be in combat anyways. He should be buffing as many units as possible and shooting a gun.
For Mini Lt he has more options. Storm bolter and power fist just makes sense cause he has ws2+. I'd rather have a beefer LT due to snipers though.
Want to beef up your little LT terintine cloak. 5++ and D3 wounds per turn.
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2019/08/21 19:53:12
Subject: Re:+ Space Marines 8th Edition Codex Mark II Tactica +
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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tyrannic war vets I see as "it was a unit, rules exist (they where in the index yeah?) let's sldie it into the supplement for compleitions sake"
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2019/08/21 19:59:00
Subject: + Space Marines 8th Edition Codex Mark II Tactica +
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Oozing Plague Marine Terminator
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I've used backfield Lts with Stalkers in Killteam, because the game is much more shooty, and you mostly want to sit still and Ready.
Different game, but similar use.
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2019/08/21 20:06:57
Subject: + Space Marines 8th Edition Codex Mark II Tactica +
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Morally-Flexible Malleus Hearing Whispers
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Xenomancers wrote: Crimson wrote:Why?
A power sword? Nah...LT shouldn't really be in combat anyways.
Your opponent might have other ideas.
Mostly because a power sword isn't even great melle and there is a good chance you will never even use it. The stalker will probably shoot 3-4 times in a game and with flat 3 damage that can be a bit deal.
Also,
Deathwatch Primaris LTs/Cpts with Banebolts get a 4 damage shot that targets characters and an extra 6" of range, at -4 AP. That's stupidly powerful. I mean, you give him Bane of monstrocities and he re-rolls wound rolls against vehicles. Great, your HQ is shooting tanks....
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2019/08/21 20:32:05
Subject: + Space Marines 8th Edition Codex Mark II Tactica +
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Omnipotent Necron Overlord
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Ice_can wrote: Xenomancers wrote:Even so. The best build for primaris is a MC SBR. A power sword? Nah...LT shouldn't really be in combat anyways. He should be buffing as many units as possible and shooting a gun.
For Mini Lt he has more options. Storm bolter and power fist just makes sense cause he has ws2+. I'd rather have a beefer LT due to snipers though.
Want to beef up your little LT terintine cloak. 5++ and D3 wounds per turn.
You could I suppose but with a power sword he's still not doing anything without a relic weapon and then hes just to flimsy for the cost. You'll do more damage just shooting and also keeping yourself safe. OFC I am not speaking of the mini marine LT. I'd give him a powerfist and storm bolter every time. Though I still don't charge with him most of the time because when I do they just target him first and then I lose reroll wounds. He stands behind calgar and charges only when necessary.
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2019/08/21 20:44:59
Subject: + Space Marines 8th Edition Codex Mark II Tactica +
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Inquisitorial Keeper of the Xenobanks
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Another stupid question but: how is it worded in English ? The Gravitic Amplification stratagem, does it affect grav weapons or only grav weapons with grav ampli like grav cannons ?
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2019/08/21 20:53:47
Subject: Re:+ Space Marines 8th Edition Codex Mark II Tactica +
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Hungry Ghoul
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"Use this Stratagem when an ADEPTUS ASTARTES unit from
your army is chosen to shoot with. Until the end of the phase,
when resolving an attack made with a grav-cannon and grav-amp
by a model in that unit, you can re-roll the wound roll
and you can re-roll the damage roll."
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2019/08/21 20:59:13
Subject: Re:+ Space Marines 8th Edition Codex Mark II Tactica +
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Inquisitorial Keeper of the Xenobanks
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Mchagen wrote:"Use this Stratagem when an ADEPTUS ASTARTES unit from
your army is chosen to shoot with. Until the end of the phase,
when resolving an attack made with a grav-cannon and grav- amp
by a model in that unit, you can re-roll the wound roll
and you can re-roll the damage roll."
Doesn't a grav cannon xith grav amp already reroll failed to wounds ?
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2019/08/21 21:28:24
Subject: + Space Marines 8th Edition Codex Mark II Tactica +
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Xenomancers wrote:Ice_can wrote: Xenomancers wrote:Even so. The best build for primaris is a MC SBR. A power sword? Nah...LT shouldn't really be in combat anyways. He should be buffing as many units as possible and shooting a gun.
For Mini Lt he has more options. Storm bolter and power fist just makes sense cause he has ws2+. I'd rather have a beefer LT due to snipers though.
Want to beef up your little LT terintine cloak. 5++ and D3 wounds per turn.
You could I suppose but with a power sword he's still not doing anything without a relic weapon and then hes just to flimsy for the cost. You'll do more damage just shooting and also keeping yourself safe. OFC I am not speaking of the mini marine LT. I'd give him a powerfist and storm bolter every time. Though I still don't charge with him most of the time because when I do they just target him first and then I lose reroll wounds. He stands behind calgar and charges only when necessary.
That's what I plan on doing with mine it's just to make him a bit less easier to snipe or aoe to death as with double battalion and Calgar CP shouldn't be to much of a concern.
I also have a Smash chaplin and vanguard vets if someone's insists on a knife fight. Automatically Appended Next Post: godardc wrote:Mchagen wrote:"Use this Stratagem when an ADEPTUS ASTARTES unit from
your army is chosen to shoot with. Until the end of the phase,
when resolving an attack made with a grav-cannon and grav- amp
by a model in that unit, you can re-roll the wound roll
and you can re-roll the damage roll."
Doesn't a grav cannon xith grav amp already reroll failed to wounds ?
That's 7th edition rules
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2019/08/21 21:41:48
Subject: + Space Marines 8th Edition Codex Mark II Tactica +
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Up until now in 8th edition a grav amp ment nothing really. Now it means the unit can be targeted by a stratagem.... progress?
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2019/08/21 21:48:18
Subject: + Space Marines 8th Edition Codex Mark II Tactica +
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Azuza001 wrote:Up until now in 8th edition a grav amp ment nothing really. Now it means the unit can be targeted by a stratagem.... progress?
Grav cannons and grav amps are always paired to my knowledge, I assume GW just counts them as part of having a grav cannon in 8th.
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2019/08/21 22:19:05
Subject: + Space Marines 8th Edition Codex Mark II Tactica +
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Also,
Deathwatch Primaris LTs/Cpts with Banebolts get a 4 damage shot that targets characters and an extra 6" of range, at -4 AP. That's stupidly powerful. I mean, you give him Bane of monstrocities and he re-rolls wound rolls against vehicles. Great, your HQ is shooting tanks....
MCSBRs dont gain the sniper rule, and they cap out at AP3 with Vengeance rounds (which you dont want to use when Hellfire is available). The only way youre sniping characters is by spending three CP on a single shot. And if you're trying to pop tanks with a Watch Captain's shooting you're far better served with other weapon choices.
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2019/08/21 22:37:08
Subject: Re:+ Space Marines 8th Edition Codex Mark II Tactica +
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Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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Can I use duplicates of the Special Issue Wargear if I use the Stratagem twice? As in can I give two different models Artificer Armor? Or two different models Master-Crafted Weapons?
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5250 pts
3850 pts
Deathwatch: 1500 pts
Imperial Knights: 375 pts
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2019/08/21 22:56:12
Subject: Re:+ Space Marines 8th Edition Codex Mark II Tactica +
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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casvalremdeikun wrote:Can I use duplicates of the Special Issue Wargear if I use the Stratagem twice? As in can I give two different models Artificer Armor? Or two different models Master-Crafted Weapons?
No you can't. The stratagem says that each relic must be unique.
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