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 Galef wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
I'd go autocannon all day. It's just the better weapon. Longer range with higher str and damage and about the same number of shot - you just gotta roll to hit.

But at that point, why not just use Ven Dread with 2 Twin Autocannons? It's cheaper, has higher T, has a better BS (that does NOT degrade) and actually has 8 shots instead of 6. The only downside is that it's an Index option, which shouldn't be a downside at all

Which is why I'd use the Incenduim if using the Invictor. While not the best option, it's the best match for the platform

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Well the index thing is rather significant drawback in europe.

tneva82 wrote:

 Galef wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
I'd go autocannon all day. It's just the better weapon. Longer range with higher str and damage and about the same number of shot - you just gotta roll to hit.

But at that point, why not just use Ven Dread with 2 Twin Autocannons? It's cheaper, has higher T, has a better BS (that does NOT degrade) and actually has 8 shots instead of 6. The only downside is that it's an Index option, which shouldn't be a downside at all

Which is why I'd use the Incenduim if using the Invictor. While not the best option, it's the best match for the platform

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Well the index thing is rather significant drawback in europe.

True, but even without Index options, there are several FW Dread options that can take Twin Autocannons. Does ETC ban FW too?
If they do not, my point stands: if you want a pew-pew Dread that sits back, there are other options that do it better than the Invictor. Or rather, pigeon holing the Invictor to that role negates some of the advantages it can have.

But I do agree with Daedalus81. 15ppm is way to cheap for something that is 2x a Heavy Flamer with +4". I'd expect a jump to 25ppm at the very least in the next CA

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I am very interested to try these out I am going to proxy 3 with the flamer this weekend and see how they do. These appear to be a very good pretty cheap frontline unit, with a good chance at turn 1 assaults. I am going to run them as ultramarines and see how they do.

 Galef wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Galef wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
I'd go autocannon all day. It's just the better weapon. Longer range with higher str and damage and about the same number of shot - you just gotta roll to hit.

But at that point, why not just use Ven Dread with 2 Twin Autocannons? It's cheaper, has higher T, has a better BS (that does NOT degrade) and actually has 8 shots instead of 6. The only downside is that it's an Index option, which shouldn't be a downside at all

Which is why I'd use the Incenduim if using the Invictor. While not the best option, it's the best match for the platform

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Well the index thing is rather significant drawback in europe.

True, but even without Index options, there are several FW Dread options that can take Twin Autocannons. Does ETC ban FW too?
If they do not, my point stands: if you want a pew-pew Dread that sits back, there are other options that do it better than the Invictor. Or rather, pigeon holing the Invictor to that role negates some of the advantages it can have.

But I do agree with Daedalus81. 15ppm is way to cheap for something that is 2x a Heavy Flamer with +4". I'd expect a jump to 25ppm at the very least in the next CA

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ETC is basically codex only rules.

Ice_can wrote:
ETC is basically codex only rules.

Fair enough. I can't decide if I want GW to make certain options "undisputably official" by just printing them in a Chapter Approved, or to official drop them out of exisance. Either way would be preferable to the "limbo" those options are in now where they are ok in some areas, but not others.
Twin Autocannons for Dreads & Ven Dreads, Bike Librarians, basically all the Eldar Autarch opitons and I'm sure a tons of Ork options could easily be printed in CA2019 and then dropp any further reference to "Index options" from then on

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As most people seem to agree, the flamer goes better with the role of the walker, but then again, there usually is a lot of anti-infantry firepower in marine armies already, especially in primaris armies. So the autocannon might bring something that your army is lacking. Well, good thing that they for once managed to make an unit where both loadouts actually have their uses.

 Crimson wrote:
As most people seem to agree, the flamer goes better with the role of the walker, but then again, there usually is a lot of anti-infantry firepower in marine armies already, especially in primaris armies. So the autocannon might bring something that your army is lacking. Well, good thing that they for once managed to make an unit where both loadouts actually have their uses.

I want this thing so I can roast some stealth drones and then charge a lonely ghostkeel. It'll be fun when he wises up and keeps them away from it then I use the redeploy stratagem to move it in range again