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 Overread wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Well about damn time the knife ears get an updated range.

They are basically the last ones in 40K at present. Which is not to say that there isn't room to still update/remove finecast and to add new models or update old plastics in other ranges; but that Craftworlders are very much the last. I hope that they get a good slew of releases to update their aspect warrior lines and add a few more neat things to the range. Give them a proper series of updates and new sculpts to really get them back on track.

Indeed,.

Personally i would also like a look at eldar Corsairs.

But that ain't happening.


Like a general overhaul for fw lists.

Sunny Side Up wrote:

Voss wrote:

Sterling191 wrote:

Jain Zar, the Phoenix Lord of the Howling Banshee Aspect is at present a big fan of Yvraine. And if you dont think the PLs are being updated alongside their Aspects, you're bonkers.

Eh. I won't be surprised if they're disposed of in Warhammer Legends and never addressed again.

They are in the Craftworld Codex. Cannot "Legends" them until Craftworlds Codex 2.0, and even that I find doubtful.

We're two codexes into the 2.0 codex cycle (well... one and a half). That isn't a barrier.

 Galef wrote:
We might be reading more into that than we need to. That empty space could just be there for text blocks, but someone forgot to:
A) add a text block there or
B) zoom in/center the image if a text block wasn't; intended

Dunno about that. It's actually moved so far right the outer Segmentum Pacificus is missing. It looks like they did zoom in, except on the east.

Anyway, I still find it funny after all Eye of Terror hyping, it's actually the Maelstrom that is the biggest and most important warp storm/zone

 insaniak wrote:

Ghorgul wrote:

See what I mean?

I came to say this, I don't think the map has ever been extended so far. What's supposed to be there, if anyone has deep fluff knowledge please do share.

Well, there was the Second Imperium thing, but Black Library squashed that nice HH dangling thread for no sane reason at all...

 Segersgia wrote:
The map has a very large empty area on the right. Almost like we might have a focus beyond even the Eastern Fringes.

Spoiler:

See what I mean?

Isn’t that where they normally overlay the text box in Codexes? I think it’s just the image they use without anything in there. Not an indication of a new front.

Well, not much to go off of atm. They've been pretty tight about releasing any info about this campaign. I guess I'll see if they decide to show anything of substance on Monday.

 JohnnyHell wrote:

 Segersgia wrote:
The map has a very large empty area on the right. Almost like we might have a focus beyond even the Eastern Fringes.

Spoiler:

See what I mean?

Isn’t that where they normally overlay the text box in Codexes? I think it’s just the image they use without anything in there. Not an indication of a new front.

All this time the greatest threat to the galaxy was hiding behind the text box!

Hoping for the PL Drastanta to make his way to the battlefield.

And just for great justice. A Crimson Hunter PL...

I don't mind Eldar internecine religious dispute/conflict. It certainly would be a development in the otherwise static Eldar background. The Eldar are not a unified bloc and this is an opportunity to add more nuance and depth to their many factions.
Basically all the Eldar kindreds think their way of life is the best and the way to survive.
Ynnari obviously want to awaken Ynnead.
Dark Eldar want to continue their soul draining.
Craftworlders believe in the superiority of the Path and think Ynnead is a false hope or even if they do believe in Ynnead, think the Ynnari are mistaken in trying to prematurely awaken Ynnead.
Harlequins have their own plans and try to enact the Laughing God's final act, that supposedly will trick Slaanesh into saving the Eldar instead of destroying them.
Exodites follow their own way of life. Like the Dark Eldar they seem to just want to continue their status quo.
Corsairs just want to have fun and exist between all the major factions.

Unlike much of the Imperium, Eldar actually can transition between these factions, which is why their conflict is also one of ideology and persuasion as much as it is of fighting. We have seen several kinds of transitions in the Black Library Eldar novels. We have seen Craftworlders give in to their desires and become Corsairs then Dark Eldar. We have seen a Dark Eldar turn to seek balance and become Craftworlder. We have seen one from an Exodite background become a Dark Eldar Incubus. Harlequins are described as recruiting from all the different Eldar kindreds, and similarly for Corsairs and the Ynnari. The only transition we haven't seen is anyone becoming an Exodite.

The location of "Phoenix Rising" on that map suggests this is something to do with Iyanden. So maybe it is less about Asuryan and more about Iyanden trying for a turnaround in its fortunes.

In the related Ynnari background, we have Jain Zarr and Lelith taking an interest in the Ynnari. So don't know whether this Psychic Awakening will advance their individual stories or development.

 Grundz wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Grundz wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

It was longer than usual but 2 year is quite normal. There's often enough been year markings on sprues to prove that. Model that released in 2018 has 2016 in sprue etc.

People keep underestimating lead times. GW doesn't do things on the fly. Age of Sigmar design proces started in 2012. Released in what? 2015?

In 2012 they weren't cutting molds in house

I could cut a sisters mold in about 20 hours on a tormach with half an hour to an hour of prep

This is not really a difficult process to get under control

Yes. OF course that's not the whole process. It's real simple. GW operates with long schedules. It's been proven over and over again. They aren't just improvising things on the fly. Again you just need to look at sprues. Plenty of evidence there of 1-2 year gap between sprue design and release.

It's how they operate. It works. they have no need to fix what ain't broken.

<citation needed poster>]

Yeah, by 'look at the sprues' he means the dates on them. What comes out in a given year is usually several years old.
For a easy example, look at the contrast paint bottles: they have a _2014_ copyright. That's definitely more long term than 'by the seat of the pants'

They've also explained their process numerous times over the years. The 18-24 months for new models has been consistent for decades and has been backed up repeatedly by people who worked with company, or had behind the scenes access.

This isn't some unexplained or unknown thing. Products take time and are scheduled. Real cock-ups in the schedule (like Sylvaneth) are rare and come from outside.

In the Craftworld codex they mention that battles between Eldar factions, especially those siding with specific phoenix lords have happened in the past. In the Dark Eldar codex they mention the repeated conflicts between Arhra and Karandras. These 2 in particular would allow GW the plot link redo Karandras, Drazhar, Striking Scorpions, and Incubi as all 4 need models currently.

That empty space may very well be blank because they'll either fill it in with a text overview of the current missions as mentioned earlier in this thread, or they'll put a small map there to indicate battles within the Webway where we'll no doubt see Harlequins engage Dark Eldar.

Taking 25 years to update Warp Spiders is a hell of a development time.

here a link to the image that was obscured by the popup

That's a scourge. So Dark Eldar are involved.

I do genuinely wonder if they will take this opportunity to update the entire eldar line, specifically craft worlds. We know that plastic banshees are 100% confirmed, but of course the cynical brain I have says the other aspects are not guaranteed, although they are probably ‘safe’ bets. I wonder if that will extend to shining spears and warp spiders, which to my knowledge have never had any sort of update.

And let’s face it, the guardian box could use a refreshing, if for no other reason to have a dual-kit guardian/storm guardian box.

And then of course there is all the Dark Eldar stuff that still needs plastic kits. Sure, the sculpts are fresh enough, but making them plastic sure would be good.

Interesting times ahead for sure.

 godswildcard wrote:
I do genuinely wonder if they will take this opportunity to update the entire eldar line, specifically craft worlds. We know that plastic banshees are 100% confirmed, but of course the cynical brain I have says the other aspects are not guaranteed, although they are probably ‘safe’ bets. I wonder if that will extend to shining spears and warp spiders, which to my knowledge have never had any sort of update.
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Doubt it. Big releases seem to be a thing of the past. Look at how long it is taking to get the new Space Marine line fully fleshed out. From edition launch to...some point in the next couple months, and it still feels like its missing basic tools (particularly melee and AT)

They will certainly do some (hopefully more than just banshees), but all of the aspects strikes me as really unlikely. After all they're making big promises about everybody getting something- that could be a year+ of 40k releases right there..

 godswildcard wrote:
I do genuinely wonder if they will take this opportunity to update the entire eldar line, specifically craft worlds. We know that plastic banshees are 100% confirmed, but of course the cynical brain I have says the other aspects are not guaranteed, although they are probably ‘safe’ bets. I wonder if that will extend to shining spears and warp spiders, which to my knowledge have never had any sort of update.

And let’s face it, the guardian box could use a refreshing, if for no other reason to have a dual-kit guardian/storm guardian box.

And then of course there is all the Dark Eldar stuff that still needs plastic kits. Sure, the sculpts are fresh enough, but making them plastic sure would be good.

Interesting times ahead for sure.

We have the Ossiarch Bonereapers in October and the Adepta Sororitas in November. That's basically two full armies releasing in the next two months. I would be surprised if there was much more beyond the 'Phoenix Rising' campaign book and the Howling Banshee kit for Psychic Awakening this year.

Voss wrote:


Yeah, by 'look at the sprues' he means the dates on them. What comes out in a given year is usually several years old.
For a easy example, look at the contrast paint bottles: they have a _2014_ copyright. That's definitely more long term than 'by the seat of the pants'

how many model molds do you think they had to cut in order to release paints

 Ghaz wrote:

Spoiler:

 godswildcard wrote:
I do genuinely wonder if they will take this opportunity to update the entire eldar line, specifically craft worlds. We know that plastic banshees are 100% confirmed, but of course the cynical brain I have says the other aspects are not guaranteed, although they are probably ‘safe’ bets. I wonder if that will extend to shining spears and warp spiders, which to my knowledge have never had any sort of update.

And let’s face it, the guardian box could use a refreshing, if for no other reason to have a dual-kit guardian/storm guardian box.

And then of course there is all the Dark Eldar stuff that still needs plastic kits. Sure, the sculpts are fresh enough, but making them plastic sure would be good.

Interesting times ahead for sure.

We have the Ossiarch Bonereapers in October and the Adepta Sororitas in November. That's basically two full armies releasing in the next two months. I would be surprised if there was much more beyond the 'Phoenix Rising' campaign book and the Howling Banshee kit for Psychic Awakening this year.

That’s a good point, and you’re probably right. A bit disappointing though.

That's assuming the Sororitas are releasing all at once and not doing Army Pack, then releasing in 2020.

I really hope all the Phoenix Lords yet new models - especially Karandras!

If you're open to 3rd party simulacrum, Artel W has some very nice not-Phoenix Lords.

 Segersgia wrote:
The map has a very large empty area on the right. Almost like we might have a focus beyond even the Eastern Fringes.

Spoiler:

See what I mean?

It's just the picture from BRB pg 48-49 minus the art/text.

 Alpharius wrote:
I really hope all the Phoenix Lords yet new models - especially Karandras!

You obviously misspelled Ahra (the father of the scorpions )

I am going to make a bet/prediction for Aeldari.

Craftworlds get split into Aspects and Wraith factions
Drukhari gets split into Kabal/Cults and Covens

Mostly because they did provide Iyanden and Haemoculus Coven supplements at one point so I wouldn't be surprised if that's something they want to develop further as its own thing.

Part of me thinks this Psychic Awakening will be an epic failure due to the heavy PR campaign being pushed.

ThatMG wrote:
Part of me thinks this Psychic Awakening will be an epic failure due to the heavy PR campaign being pushed.

I'm sure there'll be some "THATS IT?!" complaints, but that's something you could bank on no matter what. GW could litereally take the top 5 most in need of revamped units copdices, literally re-release every unit in the codex, with gorgious highly detailed kits with the bits for every option and build. sell each kit for 5 USDs each, and upon the release announcement within 5 minutes you'd have people on here complaining that GW didn't give those codices any NEW units.

I'm sure there'll be some "THATS IT?!" complaints, but that's something you could bank on no matter what. GW could litereally take the top 5 most in need of revamped units copdices, literally re-release every unit in the codex, with gorgious highly detailed kits with the bits for every option and build. sell each kit for 5 USDs each, and upon the release announcement within 5 minutes you'd have people on here complaining that GW didn't give those codices any NEW units.

To be fair there has been nothing but empty hype for this so far. Hype something up a ton, then deliver something not worthy of all the hype and people are going to complain. That and you can never please everyone, so someone will always complain. But it may not be the same person every time.

Pretty simple to see some in-fighting with the Eldar, it's been heading that way in the fluff a little already. Those warming up and helping the Ynnari are not always popular with those who are following the traditional ways. I could see this being explored rather than a simple dark vs regular. Either way, new pointy ears is a good thing in my book!
And with the position on the map, it certainly is close to where Craftworld Iyanden is (per the Harlequins codex), not to mention they have featured heavily in the fluff with Ynnari.

We know that every single faction is going to get an update with this campaign. Some updates will be rules only, some will be models and rules.

Given this I think it's very unlikely that every single aspect warrior and Phoenix lord sculpt gets redone. This isn't an Eldar only campaign.

I think new banshees and Jain Zar are a given, and perhaps another aspect at most for craftworld. Maybe a new avatar too. Then we'll see possibly one model for Drukhari or Harlies or maybe one or two for Ynnari. That's the most I think we should expect. There's every chance the release sees only new Banshees and Jain Zar.

The new rules are interesting to me, particularly given what GW have just done with the SM codex. Perhaps this will be an opportunity to roll a few supplements for the Eldar factions into one book.

It might be like Warcry though - one faction is the core focus, others get things now and then along the way too. Marketing wise its GW likely realising that there are ways to pay attention to factions beyond releasing new models for them and that when there are periods where they don't release models for a faction for a prolonged period, its still important for them to keep their marketing on that faction all the same.

That would be a good thing, focusing on the faction that has the least amount of updates whilst at the same time not ignoring the rest of the game.