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 Esmer wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Esmer wrote:
So, will Tempestus be like a completely new mini dex now? Or can you still include them in a mono-guard army under their Codex IA doctrine and stratagem?

You can't put them on same detachment and have them have their original doctrine either. For that you had to be own detachment. Same way with these no doubt. If you don't want them I'm sure you can put to same detachment with IG guys same as now

I know, hence mono guard army and not detachment. However, I am wondering if these Scions doctrines are basically just alternatives for the "Storm Troopers" doctrine or if things will work completely different now.

So far every single doctrine has been alternative and no 2 different doctrines working in game. I'm willing to bet money storm troopers not breaking trend

 grouchoben wrote:
Not to mention the thousands of trees chopped down...

Sorry that this reply is both late and off topic, but something of a personal hobby-horse of mine. Cutting down trees is not a bad thing, so long as the land is then used to grow more trees, which is almost always the case with trees which will be turned into paper. Growing trees suck a decent amount of carbon out of the atmosphere, but fully grown trees are basically carbon neutral and if they aren't felled and used they will likely end up burning in a forest fire and putting all the carbon right back into the air. Paper is actually a fantastic carbon sink so long as it doesn't get burned at any point. A modern commercial forest where fast-growing trees are regularly felled is way more efficient at reducing atmospheric CO2 levels than a natural one.

 Perfect Organism wrote:

 grouchoben wrote:
Not to mention the thousands of trees chopped down...

Sorry that this reply is both late and off topic, but something of a personal hobby-horse of mine. Cutting down trees is not a bad thing, so long as the land is then used to grow more trees, which is almost always the case with trees which will be turned into paper. Growing trees suck a decent amount of carbon out of the atmosphere, but fully grown trees are basically carbon neutral and if they aren't felled and used they will likely end up burning in a forest fire and putting all the carbon right back into the air. Paper is actually a fantastic carbon sink so long as it doesn't get burned at any point. A modern commercial forest where fast-growing trees are regularly felled is way more efficient at reducing atmospheric CO2 levels than a natural one.

That is indeed incredibly off topic.

Sunny Side Up wrote:

Tau is almost Marine-levels of straight-up OP power-creep madness.

I'm not getting this. What is your basis for that thought?

Tempestus article up

Reading now.

Relic Hotshot Laspistol:


Warlord Trait:

Stratagems:


Seems solid-ish. Makes me hopeful!

Lovely. I always play a thematic adeptus custodes and Tempestus Force, with melta guns, heavy volley guns and bullgryns. Everything I have read here (Like the bullgryn stratagem) looks splendid for my army!

Looks like Precision Drop can both Drop in Melta/Flamer Range AND be utilized by a Vendetta! Very useful for my list.

Love the new stuff for Tempestus so far. It really fleshes them out to be more than just special weapon caddies in a guard list. I may actually consider starting them now since there's enough variety within their new goodies.

Can't fix dem links anymore, so:

Gee if imperium started mass producing this titans would have something to fear :lol:


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 necrontyrOG wrote:
Looks like Precision Drop can both Drop in Melta/Flamer Range AND be utilized by a Vendetta! Very useful for my list.

12" ds preventers becoming even more useful

tneva82 wrote:
Gee if imperium started mass producing this titans would have something to fear :lol:


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 necrontyrOG wrote:
Looks like Precision Drop can both Drop in Melta/Flamer Range AND be utilized by a Vendetta! Very useful for my list.

12" ds preventers becoming even more useful

Except this is a disembark, not a deepstrike

Kaneda88 wrote:

Except this is a disembark, not a deepstrike

Same thing.

Sunny Side Up wrote:

Kaneda88 wrote:

Except this is a disembark, not a deepstrike

Same thing.

Does the 12” ds preventer also prevent disembarks in that range? I have my doubts

Sunny Side Up wrote:

Kaneda88 wrote:

Except this is a disembark, not a deepstrike

Same thing.

its not, disembark doesn't use the reserve. otherwise you would never be able to disembark models after getting a transport killed in combat.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:

Kaneda88 wrote:

Except this is a disembark, not a deepstrike

Same thing.

its not, disembark doesn't use the reserve. otherwise you would never be able to disembark models after getting a transport killed in combat.

Reserves and Reinforcements are two separate rules.

They are not reserves, but just like Da Jumping Orks or whatever, they are still reinforcements.

They are removed from the table and set up again.

Embarking - If all models in a unit end their move within 3" of a friendly transport, they can embark within it. Remove the unit from the battlefield and place it to one side – it is now embarked inside the transport.

Disembarking - Any unit that begins its Movement phase embarked within a transport can disembark before the transport moves. When a unit disembarks, set it up on the battlefield so that all of its models are within 3" of the transport and not within 1" of any enemy models – any disembarking model that cannot be set up in this way is slain.

FAQ

Q: What rules apply to units that are removed from the battlefield
after deployment

A: If a rule or ability causes a unit to be removed from the
battlefield and subsequently set back up, the following
rules apply to that unit:

1. Any rules that are triggered by or apply to units that
are ‘set up on the battlefield as reinforcements’ are also
triggered by and apply to that unit when it is set up on
the battlefield.

Reserves (units not deployed during the deployment phase) are just a sub-group of a larger category of rules that are reinforcements (any units set up mid-game for basically any reason).

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 VladimirHerzog wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:

Kaneda88 wrote:

Except this is a disembark, not a deepstrike

Same thing.

its not, disembark doesn't use the reserve. otherwise you would never be able to disembark models after getting a transport killed in combat.

Reserves and Reinforcements are two separate rules.

They are not reserves, but just like Da Jumping Orks or whatever, they are still reinforcements.

They are removed from the table and set up again.

Embarking - If all models in a unit end their move within 3" of a friendly transport, they can embark within it. Remove the unit from the battlefield and place it to one side – it is now embarked inside the transport.

Disembarking - Any unit that begins its Movement phase embarked within a transport can disembark before the transport moves. When a unit disembarks, set it up on the battlefield so that all of its models are within 3" of the transport and not within 1" of any enemy models – any disembarking model that cannot be set up in this way is slain.

FAQ

Q: What rules apply to units that are removed from the battlefield
after deployment

A: If a rule or ability causes a unit to be removed from the
battlefield and subsequently set back up, the following
rules apply to that unit:

1. Any rules that are triggered by or apply to units that
are ‘set up on the battlefield as reinforcements’ are also
triggered by and apply to that unit when it is set up on
the battlefield.

Reserves (units not deployed during the deployment phase) are just a sub-group of a larger category of rules that are reinforcements (any units set up mid-game for basically any reason).

Holy gak, so Primaris deep strike preventers are even more hilariously broken than I thought. Move primaris infiltrators up to a transport, destroy it and you auto-wipe the whole squad inside?

I mean, it's almost certainly not intended that way.

If you play a friendly game, ignore it.

But RAW, those no-set-up-within-12" auras block out a lot of stuff you wouldn't think of initially. Summoning. Pink Horrors splitting or Poxwalkers re-filling. Yncarne-arrival-in-death, etc.., etc..

I like that Relic Hot-Shot Laspistol.

Scions seem to have some pretty nice stuff in general.

Sunny Side Up wrote:
I mean, it's almost certainly not intended that way.

If you play a friendly game, ignore it.

But RAW, those no-set-up-within-12" auras block out a lot of stuff you wouldn't think of initially. Summoning. Pink Horrors splitting or Poxwalkers re-filling. Yncarne-arrival-in-death, etc.., etc..

I mean, it does make me want to use it with my GSC clamavus, since he often ends up charging a vehicle along with his buddies. he charges in with his aberrant friends at a repulsor and just zlorps the 10 primaris marines out of existence with his phat beats when the transport is destroyed.

Oh look, Scions can get a straight up AP bonus on their weapons and still proc extra shots. That's not power creep at all whatsoever.

feth the rules writers, seriously.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Oh look, Scions can get a straight up AP bonus on their weapons and still proc extra shots. That's not power creep at all whatsoever.

feth the rules writers, seriously.

How? The new doctrines replace old and you have 1 doctrine

tneva82 wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Oh look, Scions can get a straight up AP bonus on their weapons and still proc extra shots. That's not power creep at all whatsoever.

feth the rules writers, seriously.

How? The new doctrines replace old and you have 1 doctrine

Facts and reality won't stop a chance for Slayer-Fan to gak all over the writers.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Oh look, Scions can get a straight up AP bonus on their weapons and still proc extra shots. That's not power creep at all whatsoever.

feth the rules writers, seriously.

No, they can’t, it’s one doctrine or the other


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Sunny Side Up wrote:
I mean, it's almost certainly not intended that way.

If you play a friendly game, ignore it.

But RAW, those no-set-up-within-12" auras block out a lot of stuff you wouldn't think of initially. Summoning. Pink Horrors splitting or Poxwalkers re-filling. Yncarne-arrival-in-death, etc.., etc..

Reading the reinforcement section of the rulebook makes it pretty clear disembarking models from a transport are not counted as reinforcements among other things because they are counted as being on the battlefield while inside the transport just not in any defined location.

Didn't think it was possible, but personally I am quite excited by the previews for both vanilla Guard and the Tempestus Scions. Looks like the tank legion and Omega Banshees are back on the menu around here, wahey!

Biggest choice right now.. extra range or extra AP.

Wait, is somebody really trying to argue that Infiltrators block disembark? That is a stretch.

Right peeps I'm going to make another thread for the remaining PA books and request that this one is closed. It's become quite a beast and has tons of off topic tangents and conversations taking place.

I hope that's OK? Will update front post of new topic as best I can.

Okay, make it so!