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 Esmer wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
 Esmer wrote:
So, will Tempestus be like a completely new mini dex now? Or can you still include them in a mono-guard army under their Codex IA doctrine and stratagem?


You can't put them on same detachment and have them have their original doctrine either. For that you had to be own detachment. Same way with these no doubt. If you don't want them I'm sure you can put to same detachment with IG guys same as now


I know, hence mono guard army and not detachment. However, I am wondering if these Scions doctrines are basically just alternatives for the "Storm Troopers" doctrine or if things will work completely different now.


So far every single doctrine has been alternative and no 2 different doctrines working in game. I'm willing to bet money storm troopers not breaking trend

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 grouchoben wrote:
Not to mention the thousands of trees chopped down...

Sorry that this reply is both late and off topic, but something of a personal hobby-horse of mine. Cutting down trees is not a bad thing, so long as the land is then used to grow more trees, which is almost always the case with trees which will be turned into paper. Growing trees suck a decent amount of carbon out of the atmosphere, but fully grown trees are basically carbon neutral and if they aren't felled and used they will likely end up burning in a forest fire and putting all the carbon right back into the air. Paper is actually a fantastic carbon sink so long as it doesn't get burned at any point. A modern commercial forest where fast-growing trees are regularly felled is way more efficient at reducing atmospheric CO2 levels than a natural one.

   
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 Perfect Organism wrote:
 grouchoben wrote:
Not to mention the thousands of trees chopped down...

Sorry that this reply is both late and off topic, but something of a personal hobby-horse of mine. Cutting down trees is not a bad thing, so long as the land is then used to grow more trees, which is almost always the case with trees which will be turned into paper. Growing trees suck a decent amount of carbon out of the atmosphere, but fully grown trees are basically carbon neutral and if they aren't felled and used they will likely end up burning in a forest fire and putting all the carbon right back into the air. Paper is actually a fantastic carbon sink so long as it doesn't get burned at any point. A modern commercial forest where fast-growing trees are regularly felled is way more efficient at reducing atmospheric CO2 levels than a natural one.


That is indeed incredibly off topic.

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Sunny Side Up wrote:

Tau is almost Marine-levels of straight-up OP power-creep madness.



I'm not getting this. What is your basis for that thought?
   
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Gathering the Informations.

Tempestus article up

Reading now.

Relic Hotshot Laspistol:
Spoiler:


Warlord Trait:
Spoiler:



Stratagems:
Spoiler:



Seems solid-ish. Makes me hopeful!

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Lovely. I always play a thematic adeptus custodes and Tempestus Force, with melta guns, heavy volley guns and bullgryns. Everything I have read here (Like the bullgryn stratagem) looks splendid for my army!

 Crimson Devil wrote:

Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

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Looks like Precision Drop can both Drop in Melta/Flamer Range AND be utilized by a Vendetta! Very useful for my list.
   
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Love the new stuff for Tempestus so far. It really fleshes them out to be more than just special weapon caddies in a guard list. I may actually consider starting them now since there's enough variety within their new goodies.

   
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Gee if imperium started mass producing this titans would have something to fear :lol:


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 necrontyrOG wrote:
Looks like Precision Drop can both Drop in Melta/Flamer Range AND be utilized by a Vendetta! Very useful for my list.


12" ds preventers becoming even more useful

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tneva82 wrote:
Gee if imperium started mass producing this titans would have something to fear :lol:


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 necrontyrOG wrote:
Looks like Precision Drop can both Drop in Melta/Flamer Range AND be utilized by a Vendetta! Very useful for my list.


12" ds preventers becoming even more useful

Except this is a disembark, not a deepstrike
   
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Kaneda88 wrote:

Except this is a disembark, not a deepstrike


Same thing.

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Sunny Side Up wrote:
Kaneda88 wrote:

Except this is a disembark, not a deepstrike


Same thing.

Does the 12” ds preventer also prevent disembarks in that range? I have my doubts
   
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Sunny Side Up wrote:
Kaneda88 wrote:

Except this is a disembark, not a deepstrike


Same thing.


its not, disembark doesn't use the reserve. otherwise you would never be able to disembark models after getting a transport killed in combat.
   
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 VladimirHerzog wrote:
Sunny Side Up wrote:
Kaneda88 wrote:

Except this is a disembark, not a deepstrike


Same thing.


its not, disembark doesn't use the reserve. otherwise you would never be able to disembark models after getting a transport killed in combat.


Reserves and Reinforcements are two separate rules.

They are not reserves, but just like Da Jumping Orks or whatever, they are still reinforcements.

They are removed from the table and set up again.


Embarking - If all models in a unit end their move within 3" of a friendly transport, they can embark within it. Remove the unit from the battlefield and place it to one side – it is now embarked inside the transport.

Disembarking - Any unit that begins its Movement phase embarked within a transport can disembark before the transport moves. When a unit disembarks, set it up on the battlefield so that all of its models are within 3" of the transport and not within 1" of any enemy models – any disembarking model that cannot be set up in this way is slain.



FAQ

Q: What rules apply to units that are removed from the battlefield
after deployment

A: If a rule or ability causes a unit to be removed from the
battlefield and subsequently set back up
, the following
rules apply to that unit:

1. Any rules that are triggered by or apply to units that
are ‘set up on the battlefield as reinforcements’ are also
triggered by and apply to that unit when it is set up on
the battlefield
.


Reserves (units not deployed during the deployment phase) are just a sub-group of a larger category of rules that are reinforcements (any units set up mid-game for basically any reason).



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Sunny Side Up wrote:
 VladimirHerzog wrote:
Sunny Side Up wrote:
Kaneda88 wrote:

Except this is a disembark, not a deepstrike


Same thing.


its not, disembark doesn't use the reserve. otherwise you would never be able to disembark models after getting a transport killed in combat.


Reserves and Reinforcements are two separate rules.

They are not reserves, but just like Da Jumping Orks or whatever, they are still reinforcements.

They are removed from the table and set up again.


Embarking - If all models in a unit end their move within 3" of a friendly transport, they can embark within it. Remove the unit from the battlefield and place it to one side – it is now embarked inside the transport.

Disembarking - Any unit that begins its Movement phase embarked within a transport can disembark before the transport moves. When a unit disembarks, set it up on the battlefield so that all of its models are within 3" of the transport and not within 1" of any enemy models – any disembarking model that cannot be set up in this way is slain.



FAQ

Q: What rules apply to units that are removed from the battlefield
after deployment

A: If a rule or ability causes a unit to be removed from the
battlefield and subsequently set back up
, the following
rules apply to that unit:

1. Any rules that are triggered by or apply to units that
are ‘set up on the battlefield as reinforcements’ are also
triggered by and apply to that unit when it is set up on
the battlefield
.


Reserves (units not deployed during the deployment phase) are just a sub-group of a larger category of rules that are reinforcements (any units set up mid-game for basically any reason).





Holy gak, so Primaris deep strike preventers are even more hilariously broken than I thought. Move primaris infiltrators up to a transport, destroy it and you auto-wipe the whole squad inside?

"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"

"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"

"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"

"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"  
   
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I mean, it's almost certainly not intended that way.

If you play a friendly game, ignore it.

But RAW, those no-set-up-within-12" auras block out a lot of stuff you wouldn't think of initially. Summoning. Pink Horrors splitting or Poxwalkers re-filling. Yncarne-arrival-in-death, etc.., etc..
   
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The dark behind the eyes.

I like that Relic Hot-Shot Laspistol.

Scions seem to have some pretty nice stuff in general.

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I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.



 the_scotsman wrote:
Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"

 Argive wrote:
GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.


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"Prepare to open fire at that towering Wraithknight!"
"ARE YOU DAFT MAN!?! YOU MIGHT HIT THE MEN WHO COME UP TO ITS ANKLES!!!"


Akiasura wrote:
I hate to sound like a serial killer, but I'll be reaching for my friend occam's razor yet again.


 insaniak wrote:

You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.

Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet.
 
   
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Sunny Side Up wrote:
I mean, it's almost certainly not intended that way.

If you play a friendly game, ignore it.

But RAW, those no-set-up-within-12" auras block out a lot of stuff you wouldn't think of initially. Summoning. Pink Horrors splitting or Poxwalkers re-filling. Yncarne-arrival-in-death, etc.., etc..


I mean, it does make me want to use it with my GSC clamavus, since he often ends up charging a vehicle along with his buddies. he charges in with his aberrant friends at a repulsor and just zlorps the 10 primaris marines out of existence with his phat beats when the transport is destroyed.

"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"

"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"

"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"

"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"  
   
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Oh look, Scions can get a straight up AP bonus on their weapons and still proc extra shots. That's not power creep at all whatsoever.

feth the rules writers, seriously.

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If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Oh look, Scions can get a straight up AP bonus on their weapons and still proc extra shots. That's not power creep at all whatsoever.

feth the rules writers, seriously.


How? The new doctrines replace old and you have 1 doctrine

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tneva82 wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Oh look, Scions can get a straight up AP bonus on their weapons and still proc extra shots. That's not power creep at all whatsoever.

feth the rules writers, seriously.


How? The new doctrines replace old and you have 1 doctrine


Facts and reality won't stop a chance for Slayer-Fan to gak all over the writers.

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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Oh look, Scions can get a straight up AP bonus on their weapons and still proc extra shots. That's not power creep at all whatsoever.

feth the rules writers, seriously.

No, they can’t, it’s one doctrine or the other


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Sunny Side Up wrote:
I mean, it's almost certainly not intended that way.

If you play a friendly game, ignore it.

But RAW, those no-set-up-within-12" auras block out a lot of stuff you wouldn't think of initially. Summoning. Pink Horrors splitting or Poxwalkers re-filling. Yncarne-arrival-in-death, etc.., etc..

Reading the reinforcement section of the rulebook makes it pretty clear disembarking models from a transport are not counted as reinforcements among other things because they are counted as being on the battlefield while inside the transport just not in any defined location.

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Didn't think it was possible, but personally I am quite excited by the previews for both vanilla Guard and the Tempestus Scions. Looks like the tank legion and Omega Banshees are back on the menu around here, wahey!

Biggest choice right now.. extra range or extra AP.



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Wait, is somebody really trying to argue that Infiltrators block disembark? That is a stretch.
   
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Right peeps I'm going to make another thread for the remaining PA books and request that this one is closed. It's become quite a beast and has tons of off topic tangents and conversations taking place.

I hope that's OK? Will update front post of new topic as best I can.
   
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Okay, make it so!



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