Psychic Awakening N&R - FAQs p.183.

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**Latro_**

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
"All the rules" would include Black Templars as well, no?

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added some mistakes too from other sources

**Nightlord1987**

So far I like what i see. And since legion traits are mostly gak, we can probably soup it up real easily. Auto Death Hex is amazing, but tied to a gak legion. Soup it up.

**Voss**

I love that there are now two different Blood for the Blood God rules that do completely different things.

Come on GW, you couldn't check and make sure the signature catch phrase wasn't already in use? Especially since the current use is also referenced in another stratagem?

**Nightlord1987**

Supreme command, 3 different Legion HQs. Take one undeniable WB sorcerer, one 3d6 overwatch cancelling Night Lord, one AL cp Bumping character. Profit?

**Latro_**

Nightlord1987 wrote:
Supreme command, 3 different Legion HQs. Take one undeniable WB sorcerer, one 3d6 overwatch cancelling Night Lord, one AL cp Bumping character. Profit?

would that work with them all being different legions, not sure strats etc are unlocked

**Brian888**

Bloody hell. If the WB can pull off an undeniable autopass spell, the Thousand Sons better get something awesome out of PA.

Going to have to do some thinking about these new rules for the WB, especially in conjunction with that Daemonkin Ritualists detachment.

**Yarium**

Latro_ wrote:
Nightlord1987 wrote:
Supreme command, 3 different Legion HQs. Take one undeniable WB sorcerer, one 3d6 overwatch cancelling Night Lord, one AL cp Bumping character. Profit?

would that work with them all being different legions, not sure strats etc are unlocked

Not sure, depends on wording in the book, but generally you unlock the stratagems by taking a detachment of the faction you're wanting to use; BUT, most of these stratagems are unlocked by taking any sub-faction of that faction. That's why Agents of Vect was causing problems for a while; you didn't need to have a Kabal of the Black Rose unit in your army to use Agents of Vect - you just needed a Drukhari detachment. Well, theoretically, to gain access to these stratagems you just need a Chaos Space Marine detachment, not specifically an Alpha Legion or Word Bearers or Night Lords detachment.

**AlmightyWalrus**

Actually, rereading the stratagems, the Black Templar no fallback stratagem is strictly worse than the Night Lords one.

Y'all got any more of that Loyalist bias I could borrow?

**Nightlord1987**

Youd only need a CSM detachment to unlock all the Strats, and then the appropriate keyword interactions. I think triple Sorcerers in a Supreme Command, each with their own unique strat and relic could be an amazing toolkit.

**BrianDavion**

So according to B&C the chapter litanies are apparently
White Scars: Strike off the head
Chapter units within 6" can reroll wound rolls for melee weapons.

Iron Hands: Medusan Fervour
Chapter units within 6" get +1S

Imperial Fists: Fortress of Resolve
Chapter units within 6" overwatch on 5s and 6s

Ultramarines: March for Macragge
Chapter units within 6" can reroll any or all rolls of 1 for charges and advance moves

Salamanders: Selfless Saviours
Chapter units within 6" can performe heroic interventions as if they were characters

Raven Guard: Swift as the Raven
Select one chapter unit within 6". It can shoot after falling back. If it can FLY, it can charge

the Imperial Fist Litany is perfects for fists

**Galas**

Can someone answer me a question... can I, as a Dark Angel player, use the Masters of the Chapter rules and Stratagems? I assume I can't because they are "Space Marine" and not "Adeptus Astartes" stratagems?

**Jidmah**

Correct. No daemon weapons for DG/TS for the same reason.

**Voss**

I hate this piecemeal book model so much- even not buying into it, it bothers me. $40 a pop, over and above the rulebook and codex, for maybe 1 page of rules for your particular subfaction, with no coherency or consistency. Plus yearly chapter approved for its page of adjustments...

Reminds me far too much of seventh (which I just skipped entirely), and in the worst ways.

I actually miss the days when they put out a codex and didn't bother with updates for 5-10 years. At least the game was stable, there was time to keep up and a reason to buy the books.

**Galas**

I ignored the Vigilus books and I didn't felt like I missed anything. This book as a couple of nice things for Chaos Players and obviously Black Templars but if you are a Codex Chapter I would not bother.

**Drudge Dreadnought**

The strats all seem really nice. If Chaos gets their traits fixed somewhere else, and gets some equivalent of doctrines, they'll be quite interesting.

**Slayer-Fan123**

Galas wrote:
I ignored the Vigilus books and I didn't felt like I missed anything. This book as a couple of nice things for Chaos Players and obviously Black Templars but if you are a Codex Chapter I would not bother.

I might get it just for the Master of Sanctity, Ancient, and eventually Alpha Legion/Iron Warriors rules. Those were the two Legions I'd run as anyway but the Marine bonuses as usual are where it is at. A Slaplain with the Warlord trait to reroll the activation + Relic Crozius + Mantra + whatever you feel like? That's kinda like Ghetto Slamguinus but at least a LOT cheaper in CP use.

**grouchoben**

But we already have the rules. Why buy the book? Why acquiesce to this harmful and outdated rules-publishing system? A living game needs to happen sooner rather than later in 40k...

**xeen**

The CSM stuff seems pretty good. Wish they had a renegade set too for all the renegade chapters. Probably will play IW if I play my CSM

**BrianDavion**

curtiosy of BOLS here's the cheif apocathary info
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**Slayer-Fan123**

grouchoben wrote:
But we already have the rules. Why buy the book? Why acquiesce to this harmful and outdated rules-publishing system? A living game needs to happen sooner rather than later in 40k...

A tournament might require I have the books in hand. I might be able to get away with some printed copies of the pages I'm using though.

**Gadzilla666**

The wording on flay them alive must be wrong. Why would I want to basically give my opponent a free reroll?

Voc scream is sick and loving raptor strike.

**Virules**

For those interested, I did a lengthy walk-through on my Chaos YouTube channel discussing what I think are the stand-out new abilities and combos in the book:

https://youtu.be/xxPdKb-7LrU

**Crazyterran**

The Master of the Forge seems pretty good for such a cheap character - use a strategem to give him a WLT and give +1 to hit to vehicles around him is pretty gnarly.

I wonder if the UM Chapter Champion/Chapter Ancient can use the Relics/WLT, since I believe they have the keyword, or do they count as named characters?

**BrianDavion**

Crazyterran wrote:
The Master of the Forge seems pretty good for such a cheap character - use a strategem to give him a WLT and give +1 to hit to vehicles around him is pretty gnarly.

I wonder if the UM Chapter Champion/Chapter Ancient can use the Relics/WLT, since I believe they have the keyword, or do they count as named characters?

I'd say "no" myself. UMs being able to take a version of the chapter champion/ancient without spending a CP for it is an advantage if you're not looking for a relic.

**casvalremdeikun**

I might need to make my Primaris Apothecary a Chief Apothecary. That is a decent boost. Not sure which WL trait to give him though.

**Red Corsair**

Nightlord1987 wrote:
Supreme command, 3 different Legion HQs. Take one undeniable WB sorcerer, one 3d6 overwatch cancelling Night Lord, one AL cp Bumping character. Profit?

Yup, all with jump packs. The WB sorceror can auto death hex, undeniably most of the time. The NL can shut off that chapter masters aura and charge in pinning a crucial unit. Could also take an EC jump lord for another ignores overwatch character that can also subtract d3 attacks from everything in range regardless of whether they attack him or not. It's pretty lame needing to run a skittles toolkit, but these are the desperate times for none marines lol.

**AlmightyWalrus**

You know, on a story-meta level it's kinda interesting that Chaos isn't a threat to anyone until they band together and combine forces. If it weren't for the fact that it leaves mono-Legion players utterly fethed it could be an interesting difference between Vanilla Marines and Chaos Marines. Bit late to mess up people's armies and expectations now though.

**Sotahullu**

Next book https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/17/psychic-awakening-blood-and-talons/

Oh and books name is Blood of Baal, apparently.

**CthuluIsSpy**

Looks like its going to be Blood Angels and Nids. Let's see if they treat nids better than Eldar.

**SamusDrake**

OMG, a new Tyranid unit is almost at hand? Can it be?