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So are there any rumors about this book yet? I'll even take the least credible ones you can come up with, I'm jonesing hard for info. I heard one thing about big rubric units being improved (whatever the hell that means) but nothing else so far.

This one isn't a rumor so much as a hope, but I hope Dangels get something related to defense as the second half of their chapter tactic like how red thirst got updated. Maybe something like save re-rolls of 1? Would help deathwing a ton and make the army more durable as a whole.

Someone described some of the Thousand Sons' plans in Mephiston stuff from recent fluff (spoilers ahead in this thread):

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/dzd9vc/what_mephiston_has_become_spoilers_for_madness_in/

Baal is getting absolutely recked and I think this is the beginning of the Bad News Bears psychic awakening consequences.

This came out yesterday. While it is just a story, I think it is interesting that Magnus is bring psykers to him and hopefully this will translate to something cool in the new PA (It probably won't though)

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/12/16/psychic-awakening-a-better-place/

 xeen wrote:
This came out yesterday. While it is just a story, I think it is interesting that Magnus is bring psykers to him and hopefully this will translate to something cool in the new PA (It probably won't though)

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/12/16/psychic-awakening-a-better-place/

maybe the one-eyed is trying to dump psykers on the afterburners for a super special ritual that totally wont backfire and make things better/worse(depending on POV)?

maybe an anti-astronomicon, something that allows daemons more time/power in the material plane?

 xeen wrote:
This came out yesterday. While it is just a story, I think it is interesting that Magnus is bring psykers to him and hopefully this will translate to something cool in the new PA (It probably won't though)

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/12/16/psychic-awakening-a-better-place/

It'll be to more efficiently murder psykers so they can't pinch his knowledge or something based on what they've done so far.

Magnus is selfish enuff to do this. so, if the rift having the unintended consequence of the emergence or more/powerful psykers could be crimping his style. he gets butthurt, goes & cries to Tzeentch, Tzeentch says all according to plan, more butthurting occurs and he tries to screw Tzeentch with a new ritual. he needs nine eyes of some superpowered psykers, yadda, yadda yadda.

he "succeeds/fails" & the psychic backlash allows BiggiE to be more active in material Plane. either rift grows or stops leaking and becomes a stable tear.

Maybe it's just a recruitment drive?

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Maybe it's just a recruitment drive?

with a name like "ritual of the damned"?

Sure. According to the imperium, they're witches, so 'damned' by default.

Nothing could possibly go wrong when the Crimson King's proxy is demanding an eye from those he's saving and taking them to Salvation. It's all fine, perfectly fine here.

Well, I guess if the choices are "certain death burned at the stake in the town square" and "maybe death" I think I'll take the latter.

could be, although given this is 40k It's a sure bet those people are up for a fate WORSE then death

When the devil you know wants you burned at the stake, you risk the devil you don't.

Racerguy180 wrote:

 xeen wrote:
This came out yesterday. While it is just a story, I think it is interesting that Magnus is bring psykers to him and hopefully this will translate to something cool in the new PA (It probably won't though)

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/12/16/psychic-awakening-a-better-place/

maybe the one-eyed is trying to dump psykers on the afterburners for a super special ritual that totally wont backfire and make things better/worse(depending on POV)?

maybe an anti-astronomicon, something that allows daemons more time/power in the material plane?

We actually already know his plan, AND how it will backfire. He's trying to kickstart the psychic awakening, with said psykers being under his control. What he isn't aware of is that Tzeentch is planning to use that psychic power to enter the physical world, which would basically warp all of reality as much as he wants it to.

Yeah.. it sounds like a huge recruitment drive for a Drink The Punch Party

 cole1114 wrote:

Racerguy180 wrote:

 xeen wrote:
This came out yesterday. While it is just a story, I think it is interesting that Magnus is bring psykers to him and hopefully this will translate to something cool in the new PA (It probably won't though)

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/12/16/psychic-awakening-a-better-place/

maybe the one-eyed is trying to dump psykers on the afterburners for a super special ritual that totally wont backfire and make things better/worse(depending on POV)?

maybe an anti-astronomicon, something that allows daemons more time/power in the material plane?

We actually already know his plan, AND how it will backfire. He's trying to kickstart the psychic awakening, with said psykers being under his control. What he isn't aware of is that Tzeentch is planning to use that psychic power to enter the physical world, which would basically warp all of reality as much as he wants it to.

Wait, how and why do we know this?

Not least because obviously that isn't going to happen, because then the setting goes boom.

Voss wrote:

 cole1114 wrote:

Racerguy180 wrote:

 xeen wrote:
This came out yesterday. While it is just a story, I think it is interesting that Magnus is bring psykers to him and hopefully this will translate to something cool in the new PA (It probably won't though)

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/12/16/psychic-awakening-a-better-place/

maybe the one-eyed is trying to dump psykers on the afterburners for a super special ritual that totally wont backfire and make things better/worse(depending on POV)?

maybe an anti-astronomicon, something that allows daemons more time/power in the material plane?

We actually already know his plan, AND how it will backfire. He's trying to kickstart the psychic awakening, with said psykers being under his control. What he isn't aware of is that Tzeentch is planning to use that psychic power to enter the physical world, which would basically warp all of reality as much as he wants it to.

Wait, how and why do we know this?

Not least because obviously that isn't going to happen, because then the setting goes boom.

From the new Mephiston book. He learns all this in that book, and helps prevent a daemon prince from kickstarting it. But not the plan overall.

 cole1114 wrote:

Racerguy180 wrote:

 xeen wrote:
This came out yesterday. While it is just a story, I think it is interesting that Magnus is bring psykers to him and hopefully this will translate to something cool in the new PA (It probably won't though)

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/12/16/psychic-awakening-a-better-place/

maybe the one-eyed is trying to dump psykers on the afterburners for a super special ritual that totally wont backfire and make things better/worse(depending on POV)?

maybe an anti-astronomicon, something that allows daemons more time/power in the material plane?

We actually already know his plan, AND how it will backfire. He's trying to kickstart the psychic awakening, with said psykers being under his control. What he isn't aware of is that Tzeentch is planning to use that psychic power to enter the physical world, which would basically warp all of reality as much as he wants it to.

That sounds incredibly stupid both from a writing and lore perspective. Psychic Awakening continues to disappoint which is impressive in itself considering how low my expectations got after Phoenix Rising.

pm713 wrote:
That sounds incredibly stupid both from a writing and lore perspective.

This accusation gets levelled at every new release, before it's even available. Yet no one ever explains why.

JSG wrote:

pm713 wrote:
That sounds incredibly stupid both from a writing and lore perspective.

This accusation gets levelled at every new release, before it's even available. Yet no one ever explains why.

Because knowing how a campaign ends before it technically even starts, leads to questions and people generally losing hype about it. Why pickup this book for the lore and info etc when you already know what happens at the start, middle and end (even if all the middling detail and padding is missing).

It is good that the books tie into each other, but, the release schedule should coincide with each other, not be offset.

It also defeats the point of "play your own campaign alongside to determine the outcome" style that GW often goes for - the whole "forge your own narrative" idea.

Kdash wrote:

JSG wrote:

pm713 wrote:
That sounds incredibly stupid both from a writing and lore perspective.

This accusation gets levelled at every new release, before it's even available. Yet no one ever explains why.

Because knowing how a campaign ends before it technically even starts, leads to questions and people generally losing hype about it. .

And thats why the horus heresy books started to loose popularity already after book 50 and compelled GW to do a quick wrap up with a couple of dozen books. .

Kdash wrote:

It also defeats the point of "play your own campaign alongside to determine the outcome" style that GW often goes for - the whole "forge your own narrative" idea.

Well that was dead the moment GW opted to pamper the "give us storyline" rather than original idea of setting

Has anyone actually heard any rumours about what some of the rules are for the next PA book? 6 days til the full reveal and i've just noticed that we've seen nothing beyond the DA character rumour and the short story.

Weren't there rumors like a year ago that a traitor primarch would become a loyalist and a loyalist become a traitor?

Clearly the ritual of the damned is to sacrifice the psykers for the good of the imperium so magnus can de-demon himself and become a loyalist primarch again.He will then take the Emperor's seat on the golden throne. This will piss off Russ who will take his woofs and become demon primarch of the wulfen.

That wlil allow GW to make a 'loyalist' primarch model, an emperor model, a big werewoof model, and all is good in the world.

/s of course.

Kdash wrote:
Has anyone actually heard any rumours about what some of the rules are for the next PA book? 6 days til the full reveal and i've just noticed that we've seen nothing beyond the DA character rumour and the short story.

Nothing direct, the only tidbit I've seen is the independent characters guys saying there was a lot more character in the new TS rules, which you can infer they have some fluff detachment rules to pick from such as the different psyker disciplines maybe.

Dudeface wrote:


Nothing direct, the only tidbit I've seen is the independent characters guys saying there was a lot more character in the new TS rules, which you can infer they have some fluff detachment rules to pick from such as the different psyker disciplines maybe.

I have been combing through the recent podcasts and I haven't found the part where they mention that. Do they have inside knowledge or was that a guess?

 Brometheus wrote:

Dudeface wrote:


Nothing direct, the only tidbit I've seen is the independent characters guys saying there was a lot more character in the new TS rules, which you can infer they have some fluff detachment rules to pick from such as the different psyker disciplines maybe.

I have been coming through the recent podcasts and I haven't found the part where they mention that. Do they have inside knowledge or was that a guess?

They do narrative playtesting for GW, it's somewhere in episode 198 it's mentioned because they mention wishing that the necrons had a boost in CA but they kinda know what's coming out in the PA books (which kinda suggests they're all written already and tested together).

I'm at work but I'll try and find a time stamp.

1hr 15mins 29seconds:

"I know - again having some of us playtested some of this stuff and seeing whats coming - I'm very anxious for my armies to get touched, because... in particular, and we can't get into the details yet, but in particular thousand sons. There is so much character I'm going to be able to play around with and toy with and try different things, that I cannot wait it to come out."

yeah 198 is playing now. Nice! A glimmer of hope

but you know what they say about hope..

Nvs wrote:
Weren't there rumors like a year ago that a traitor primarch would become a loyalist and a loyalist become a traitor?

Clearly the ritual of the damned is to sacrifice the psykers for the good of the imperium so magnus can de-demon himself and become a loyalist primarch again.He will then take the Emperor's seat on the golden throne. This will piss off Russ who will take his woofs and become demon primarch of the wulfen.

That wlil allow GW to make a 'loyalist' primarch model, an emperor model, a big werewoof model, and all is good in the world.

/s of course.

I'm so angry that this is a thing you dreamed up and not a thing that is real...

Yes Episode 198- 1h 15m 30s is where they talk about Thousand Sons in particular having so much to play around with and lots of character.

 Brometheus wrote:
Yes Episode 198- 1h 15m 30s is where they talk about Thousand Sons in particular having so much to play around with and lots of character.

I kind of heard similar things about Nids before Blood of Baal came out, looots of character

I'm going to stay pessimistic till the end, so in one case I won't be too disappointed as I didn't rise my hopes
and in the other I'll be so happy of having been wrong!