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My R&H list has eighteen Mortar Support Squads and five Basilisks, so...

I'm not saying those units are useless, I'm saying that - again - in my experience you're better off spending those points on things that synergize better with the Heretic Astartes units, like other Heretic Astartes units.

 Excommunicatus wrote:
My R&H list has eighteen Mortar Support Squads and five Basilisks, so...

I'm not saying those units are useless, I'm saying that - again - in my experience you're better off spending those points on things that synergize better with the Heretic Astartes units, like other Heretic Astartes units.

I get your point but what else does chaos have for ignores los and snipers for the price that competes with r&h?

Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Excommunicatus wrote:
My R&H list has eighteen Mortar Support Squads and five Basilisks, so...

I'm not saying those units are useless, I'm saying that - again - in my experience you're better off spending those points on things that synergize better with the Heretic Astartes units, like other Heretic Astartes units.

I get your point but what else does chaos have for ignores los and snipers for the price that competes with r&h?

Scorpious?

Not Online!!! wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Excommunicatus wrote:
My R&H list has eighteen Mortar Support Squads and five Basilisks, so...

I'm not saying those units are useless, I'm saying that - again - in my experience you're better off spending those points on things that synergize better with the Heretic Astartes units, like other Heretic Astartes units.

I get your point but what else does chaos have for ignores los and snipers for the price that competes with r&h?

Scorpious?

You can literally get 18 mortar teams or 2 basilisks for less than one scorpius.

Eighteen Mortar teams will also only make two hits each over the course of a six-turn game, presuming that they take no damage at all and fire every single turn.

Theoretically, Heretic Astartes have Defilers that can sit back and lay down the boom, but they're pooh too so they don't really count. They don't have Snipers, but they aren't exactly lacking ways to put MWs on things.

 Excommunicatus wrote:
Eighteen Mortar teams will also only make two hits each over the course of a six-turn game, presuming that they take no damage at all and fire every single turn.

Theoretically, Heretic Astartes have Defilers that can sit back and lay down the boom, but they're pooh too so they don't really count. They don't have Snipers, but they aren't exactly lacking ways to put MWs on things.

honestly, the dakkafiend is better for that if it has to be a daemonengine.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Excommunicatus wrote:
Eighteen Mortar teams will also only make two hits each over the course of a six-turn game, presuming that they take no damage at all and fire every single turn.

Theoretically, Heretic Astartes have Defilers that can sit back and lay down the boom, but they're pooh too so they don't really count. They don't have Snipers, but they aren't exactly lacking ways to put MWs on things.

honestly, the dakkafiend is better for that if it has to be a daemonengine.

If that's what you're looking for I'd go with a contemptor or daredeo. Feth dinobots.

The Defiler can fire without LOS, no?

That's literally the only comparison I was making.

 Excommunicatus wrote:
The Defiler can fire without LOS, no?

That's literally the only comparison I was making.

With what? Has it been given a new weapon option I forgot about? Nothing in my codex has that ability though admittedly it's not the damned "2".

Oh. I guess maybe it's an old rule or maybe I just imagined it, but I thought the Battle Cannon could be fired indirectly.

Mea culpa.

 Excommunicatus wrote:
Oh. I guess maybe it's an old rule or maybe I just imagined it, but I thought the Battle Cannon could be fired indirectly.

Mea culpa.

No worries. With the amount of bloat 8th currently has no one can be expected to remember everything. That's why I wasn't sure if something had been added that I didn't know about.

Gadzilla666 wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Excommunicatus wrote:
Eighteen Mortar teams will also only make two hits each over the course of a six-turn game, presuming that they take no damage at all and fire every single turn.

Theoretically, Heretic Astartes have Defilers that can sit back and lay down the boom, but they're pooh too so they don't really count. They don't have Snipers, but they aren't exactly lacking ways to put MWs on things.

honestly, the dakkafiend is better for that if it has to be a daemonengine.

If that's what you're looking for I'd go with a contemptor or daredeo. Feth dinobots.

Don't insult the dinobot, you can make easily 1A Daemonenginified Basilisk out of it!
Also in ghost sheme they look faboulus.




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 Excommunicatus wrote:
Oh. I guess maybe it's an old rule or maybe I just imagined it, but I thought the Battle Cannon could be fired indirectly.

Mea culpa.

I believe at it's inception it could, because it was planned to be a piece of artillery.


That said a dakka defieler isn't really expensive aswell, it's just the dinobot has no potential low rolls on it's hades cannons, making it quite a bit the better option, it's also cheaper and has a comparatively lower profile.

Not Online!!! wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Excommunicatus wrote:
Eighteen Mortar teams will also only make two hits each over the course of a six-turn game, presuming that they take no damage at all and fire every single turn.

Theoretically, Heretic Astartes have Defilers that can sit back and lay down the boom, but they're pooh too so they don't really count. They don't have Snipers, but they aren't exactly lacking ways to put MWs on things.

honestly, the dakkafiend is better for that if it has to be a daemonengine.

If that's what you're looking for I'd go with a contemptor or daredeo. Feth dinobots.

Don't insult the dinobot, you can make easily 1A Daemonenginified Basilisk out of it!
Also in ghost sheme they look faboulus.

No daemons or stuff with the daemon keyword in my Night Lords except warp talons.

Us murderous psychopaths have to have some standards.

Ahh so you run a FLuffy NL band

yeah then dinobots don't fit.

Not Online!!! wrote:
Ahh so you run a FLuffy NL band

yeah then dinobots don't fit.

Yeah I'm pretty hard headed. Why do you think I get so fething mad when people attack fw? How else do you run an effective fluffy Night Lords army without it?

Gadzilla666 wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Ahh so you run a FLuffy NL band

yeah then dinobots don't fit.

Yeah I'm pretty hard headed. Why do you think I get so fething mad when people attack fw? How else do you run an effective fluffy Night Lords army without it?

(warptalons, Warptalons everywhere )

Not Online!!! wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Ahh so you run a FLuffy NL band

yeah then dinobots don't fit.

Yeah I'm pretty hard headed. Why do you think I get so fething mad when people attack fw? How else do you run an effective fluffy Night Lords army without it?

(warptalons, Warptalons everywhere )

Since Faith and Fury yeah. Before that they were gak.

Well the whole army was. I miss my Murder Talon.