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Can we not just go back to the Necromundan Spiders and have done with it?

I'd love for something more tacticool, but they should have done Scions in that style first, right now it would be strange having regular Guardsmen look more tacticool than Scions.

No votes for the Vostroyans?

In truth, if GW were to redo Guard I suspect they’d go the whole hog and make Guilliman reorganise it into a new Imperial Army. Opportunity to follow the Primaris template and reorganise how squads work:

- Standard squads get no special weapons and Sergeants also carry lasguns. Dual build kit with something like Shotgun Veterans with souped-up rules.
- New heavy weapon teams with new abilities in dedicated squads.
- Special weapons in two man teams for a new two guys on a base model, with new rules.
- New embiggened character models with rejigged orders and auras. Medics etc revised into Elites.
- New Waldo suit mech troopers to scratch the mid-sized mech kit itch.
- Keep Baneblades, keep tank kits like Russes redone relatively recently but rebox with a new über turret weapon to encourage repurchasing.
- Plastic Thunderbolt for lols from the AI CAD files
- Bin anything they don’t feel like keeping.

Just one idea of how they could streamline and relaunch. Would be interesting if they did.

Tbh Kriegers can already give out lasguns (and hellguns!) to their sergeants (and officers, too if memory serves) so its not like it would be a brand new change, really.

Not many people own or use them though, and they’re not in the Codex, so for most it would be a change.

Anyway it’s just a spitball idea of the kind of rehash they could go for.

Please never give them any ideas anymore

 vipoid wrote:
No votes for the Vostroyans?

I was gonna say "We need Vostroyans! the most 40k guard regiment!" but after that I tought "Meh, nobody is gonna remember them".

Really, theres two kinds of Imperial Guard regiments. The too derivative from a movie and the historical copypastas. You have the movie ones: Tallarn (Lawrence of Arabia), Cadia (Starship Troopers), Catachan (Rambo), and the Historical copypastas one (Steel Legion, Krieg, Mordian, Praetorians, Valhallan)

But Vostroyans? Yeah they have their historical inspiration from the Tzarist boyards but they are more than that unlike the other historical regiments that are literal copypastas. Vostroyans have a TON of cyberpunk and steampunk mix to their aesthetic making them the best and most proper 40k regiment.

But I would settle for plastic Solar Auxilia-like Imperial Guard. I love krieg but Solar Auxilia was the best FW imperial guard range.

Valhallans, hands down the best looking Guard regiment. However I think it would be in GW's interest to produce a unique look for the Imperial Guard. As they are now they are inspired by real world historical military regiments. Which leaves them open to 3rd party manufacturers to undercut.

I also like the Vostroyans. In plastic, I probably would have picked a few up.

That said, I may have regretted the amount of details on them. For me, a simplified, slightly less busy Vostroyan look would be awesome.

(Maybe with less silly hats... but that’s just me.)

 vipoid wrote:
No votes for the Vostroyans?

Oh sure, I'd vote for them too, I just have older memories of the Necromundans.

I just updated the thread with a poll, input will be much appreciated.

None of the above. I posted the 'best case' scenario already.

They should do this oldie.

 Apple Peel wrote:
They should do this oldie.

PLEAAAAAASE.

I’d buy a whole army of them like *that*.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
In truth, if GW were to redo Guard I suspect they’d go the whole hog and make Guilliman reorganise it into a new Imperial Army. Opportunity to follow the Primaris template and reorganise how squads work:

- Standard squads get no special weapons and Sergeants also carry lasguns. Dual build kit with something like Shotgun Veterans with souped-up rules.
- New heavy weapon teams with new abilities in dedicated squads.
- Special weapons in two man teams for a new two guys on a base model, with new rules.
- New embiggened character models with rejigged orders and auras. Medics etc revised into Elites.
- New Waldo suit mech troopers to scratch the mid-sized mech kit itch.
- Keep Baneblades, keep tank kits like Russes redone relatively recently but rebox with a new über turret weapon to encourage repurchasing.
- Plastic Thunderbolt for lols from the AI CAD files
- Bin anything they don’t feel like keeping.

Just one idea of how they could streamline and relaunch. Would be interesting if they did.

no they won't GW was very careful with Primaris not to invalidate old kits (they've bent over backwards tonot invalidate old stuff, hence legends which will at least ensure rules for the old stuff they've had to remove)

that said I do think a revamped guard pattern built around a "new equipment template" makes sense. in this case it'd be a new look for guard that would be "slowly rotated throughout all guard regiments, thus ensuring ease of logistics" (which honestly is a fair point, IG logistics must be a bitch "well the cadians use this pattern of flak armor and that pattern of gun, the armageddons use the other ptatterns and the valhallans use a third pattern.." would be a NIGHTMARE for supply) this would allow them to bring out a new guard kit, retire the old cadian and catachan kits and not have to worry about the million differant guard regiments each with their own look issue

I’d like the army to be more mixed up than that. It’s absolutely useless to have a uniform pattern for all units the way the cariama currently do. That’s boring to paint and boring to look at. While Vostroyans and Necromundan Spiders are the best, they’re so distinctively Citadel, i still don’t need either of them as a template. Especially so with vostroyans, since 140 models of braziers, skulls, and parchment is if anything too generically Citadel.

I want Spiders as infantry but buff spiders wearing vests like catachans as heavy weapons crew, and wonky looking vostroyans as eccentric snipers and elite bodyguards.

As cool as that picture above is if you gave me 140 clones of him with different wargear I’d pass totally.

Guards in my opinion need something that is easy to paint and generally looks good. I would avoid environment specific troops like Catashan and Tallarn who only look good in jungles and desert environment respectively. Vostroyan are probably the most "40K" regiment and present a very Imperial aesthetic, but they are too complex to paint in large numbers. Thus, I would say either Steel Legion or Krieg would be a better bet. They look like they can operate in a varied environments, including toxic/alien ones. They don't show faces which are most often very ugly and more difficult to paint and look good in all sorts of colours. They also pair well with Scions and Adeptus Mechanicus forces.

epronovost wrote:
Guards in my opinion need something that is easy to paint and generally looks good. I would avoid environment specific troops like Catashan and Tallarn who only look good in jungles and desert environment respectively. Vostroyan are probably the most "40K" regiment and present a very Imperial aesthetic, but they are too complex to paint in large numbers. Thus, I would say either Steel Legion or Krieg would be a better bet. They look like they can operate in a varied environments, including toxic/alien ones. They don't show faces which are most often very ugly and more difficult to paint and look good in all sorts of colours. They also pair well with Scions and Adeptus Mechanicus forces.

If I was going to create a new guard regiment I'd proably base it on the pic Apple Peel linked. Not entirely but a overcoat, with a full face mask., something that would work in nearly any enviroment, it's bulky eneugh to conceal gender (thus allowing them to make female guard char's more easily)

GW could do multiple lines of guard infantry. They do it with space marines. The different regiments would need separate abilities. An example are Space Wolves, Blood Angel's, and Dark Angel's. They are all marines but have different organizations and tactics. Not all guard regiments fight the same. Steel Legion fights differently than Catachans.

Pointer5 wrote:
GW could do multiple lines of guard infantry. They do it with space marines. The different regiments would need separate abilities. An example are Space Wolves, Blood Angel's, and Dark Angel's. They are all marines but have different organizations and tactics. Not all guard regiments fight the same. Steel Legion fights differently than Catachans.

they could, but as the question goes, would they sell eneugh? Guard are proably the one army whose sales are proably compeitive eneugh with marines to potentially be worth it mind you. if there's one guard player for every 3 or 4 marine players. thats proably about equal considering how many fething bodies a guard player needs

BrianDavion wrote:
they could, but as the question goes, would they sell eneugh? Guard are proably the one army whose sales are proably compeitive eneugh with marines to potentially be worth it mind you. if there's one guard player for every 3 or 4 marine players. thats proably about equal considering how many fething bodies a guard player needs

I found this poll in the archives of dakkadakka and it's pretty interesting. Guards are rather popular and considering the number of people who answered the poll it might actually be fairly well representative.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/606224.page

Guards would basically be the third most popular faction in 40K after Marines and Chaos Marines...

epronovost wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
they could, but as the question goes, would they sell eneugh? Guard are proably the one army whose sales are proably compeitive eneugh with marines to potentially be worth it mind you. if there's one guard player for every 3 or 4 marine players. thats proably about equal considering how many fething bodies a guard player needs

I found this poll in the archives of dakkadakka and it's pretty interesting. Guards are rather popular.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/606224.page

the numbers don't suprise me at all. according to that poll, posted BTW when 7th edition was the new hotness although the activity continues into 2019 (to give folks some context) Imperial Guard are just a little behind CSMs as the third most popular faction in 40k (both making up 10% of the community). Meanwhile Space Marines are the most popular faction at 11% climbing to a full 25% if you include space wolves, dark angels, blood angels and vanilla space wolves under the same header (which, if you're GW and marketing primaris Space Marines you essentially do)

Meanwhile the most popular Xenos race is Orks at 9% with dark eldar being the least popular xenos army. the least popular 40k army is sisters of battle.

Steel Legion are the best looking in my opinion but I would love something based on that 2nd edition art. Cadians are only okay and jungle fighters look really silly as an entire army.

yes its time.

Cadians failed to keep the gate shut



The Imperial Guard doesn't need Regiment specific vehicles, so: Regiment = Infantry kits should work.

- command box = officers / specialists
- basic infantry = bodies + lasguns + medium weaponry like plasma and melta guns, maybe sniper rifles too.
- support = Heavy weapon teams

It be nice to have every well known Regiment in plastic, but at least 4 different sets are well deserved imho.

Maybe not a 'poster boy regiment' of an edition, but campaign based? Warzone A = regiment X , Warzone B = Regiment Y , etc pp .

 Bobthehero wrote:
I'd love for something more tacticool, but they should have done Scions in that style first, right now it would be strange having regular Guardsmen look more tacticool than Scions.

Tacti-lame can go die in a fire.

Of the options presented above, Steel Legion - especially as they could be released alongside a campaign book looking at the mess that the planet is at the moment.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:
I'd love for something more tacticool, but they should have done Scions in that style first, right now it would be strange having regular Guardsmen look more tacticool than Scions.

Tacti-lame can go die in a fire.

The same can be said of gothic-ish, aka the Scions.

I would have zero qualms with them expanding the Scions, again, into their own book or a full 'subfaction' in the Guard book. Vanguard those suckers up with their own warlord traits table, their own Orders, etc.

But make it damn clear that they are not Guardsmen.

Of the options presented above, Steel Legion - especially as they could be released alongside a campaign book looking at the mess that the planet is at the moment.

Frankly, I hope like hell they never do any of the currently named Regiments. I'd really rather see the redesign that I mentioned earlier, with a fluff of Guilliman decreeing blah blah blah then moving to the Kantrael pattern gear for the 'Infantry Squads'(moving them to 4+ saves), lighter gear for scout/sniper squads(5+), and heavier gear(4+ with a 'count as stationary' for some rules purposes) for veteran squads.
Also: an autogun equipped Conscript kit. Give them effectively nothing but a 'flak vest' and a 5+ save.

And strip out the heavy/special weapon options. Redesign the whole damn system.

TAKE IT ALL DOWN! BUILD IT NEW!

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:
I'd love for something more tacticool, but they should have done Scions in that style first, right now it would be strange having regular Guardsmen look more tacticool than Scions.

Tacti-lame can go die in a fire.

The same can be said of gothic-ish, aka the Scions.

I would have zero qualms with them expanding the Scions, again, into their own book or a full 'subfaction' in the Guard book. Vanguard those suckers up with their own warlord traits table, their own Orders, etc.

But make it damn clear that they are not Guardsmen.

Just give Scions a marine-like supplement based off our old book with good warlord traits, the ability to use Guard orders and new Scion orders. Heck, through in the Vigilus defiant strats and such too.

I'd be on board for a Vostroyan or Steel Legion/Death Guard redo (the Legion probably being more easily acceptable to a wider audience). Ideally we'd have a regiment box released for a few of the bigger names (10 bodies with plenty of extra thematic bits filling in the space not taken up with weapons) and be left to kitbash and convert them together to make the rest. Not likely to happen, obviously, due to budgetary constraints, but it'd be nice. At least we have the Necromunda gangs to work with?

The normal Cadians are a bit bland for the setting, even if (or because) they're more sensible than most. If I flew my space cathedral through hell to drive my tractor-tank (with what looks like a 500mm gun on it) into your lines to hit you with a sword, I want to look suitably crazy.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:
I'd love for something more tacticool, but they should have done Scions in that style first, right now it would be strange having regular Guardsmen look more tacticool than Scions.

Tacti-lame can go die in a fire.

Better than steampunk, for sure