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I don't know. They just seem to be a side show.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
I mean fully fleshed out armies with model lines like space marines.

... but then hardly ANY factions are at Marine levels, except maybe Chaos Space Marines...

Pretty much the truth here.

Going by their kit organizations we have (not including Fortifications, books, and doodads):
Space Marines - 93
Imperial Guard - 54
Sisters - 8
Custodes - 14
Mechanicus - 18
Deathwatch - 36
Grey Knights - 25
Knights - 7
Inquisition - 10
Assassins - 4
Sisters of Silence - 4

Daemons - 31
Chaos Knights - 7
Chaos Marines - 53

Craftworlds - 44
Drukhari - 28
Genestealer Cults - 22
Harlequins - 7
Necrons - 36
Orks - 49
T'au - 33
Tyranids - 37

I left out some of the somewhat redundant groups, but as we can see, most of the Xenos don't even match half of what Space Marines carry. Obviously, this doesn't count data sheet entries, as many of those kits are to be used for multiple sheets, but it still gives one some perspective. Even if we combined both Sisters, Assassins, Grey Knights, and Deathwatch in to one codex, we still end up with the number of kits being far fewer than Space Marines (and that's even doubling up on things like Rhinos and Razorbacks and multiple Inquisitor models).

The number of marine units is just crazy. Especially given their fluff as GW claims it to be.

I look forward to the eventual old marine purge. Primaris only here we come. The sm line will be greatly reduced soon enough.

 Lance845 wrote:
I look forward to the eventual old marine purge. Primaris only here we come. The sm line will be greatly reduced soon enough.

What if they don't purge them completely, but lock them in to one specific codex, like say, Crimson Fists, Black Templars, or even Dark Angels, and everyone else goes Primaris?

Heck, just the idea of how to fit Primaris in to Deathwing and Ravenwing boggles my mind at the moment. They'd really have to be unique at this point. Of course we could be looking at melee Gravis and Phobos Bikers for the first time, too.

 Charistoph wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
I look forward to the eventual old marine purge. Primaris only here we come. The sm line will be greatly reduced soon enough.

What if they don't purge them completely, but lock them in to one specific codex, like say, Crimson Fists, Black Templars, or even Dark Angels, and everyone else goes Primaris?

Heck, just the idea of how to fit Primaris in to Deathwing and Ravenwing boggles my mind at the moment. They'd really have to be unique at this point. Of course we could be looking at melee Gravis and Phobos Bikers for the first time, too.

Any thought that old marines are not being squatted is delusional at this point. Primaris hover bikes will come out. A gun ship will come out. Melee gravis will exist. There is zero reason to not primaris everything and replace the old line. They are already doing it. As the named characters get replaced with primaris versions its just a done deal.

You know that legacy site they made? Old marines are gunna end up there at the start of next edition. Sure, you can still "play them". But they won't receive updates and won't be considered when balancing the game and moving forward.

 Charistoph wrote:
Heck, just the idea of how to fit Primaris in to Deathwing and Ravenwing boggles my mind at the moment.

Why? If I'm not mistaken, surely they only need to be very well trusted Dark Angels and get keep up with the general mission premise of their Firstborn brothers? We're at a point where a newly made Primaris Space Marine could well have worked up the ranks and been inducted into one of the Wings purely on merit - just like any other Battle Brother, without the fear of "they're just a green Ultramarine!"

If that were the case, I don't see why Aggressor Squads couldn't function in the Deathwing, or things like Impulsors, Repulsors, or Repulsor Executioners couldn't fit in the Ravenwing as skimmers (obviously if they do any Primaris Bikes of some kind, they would obviously be a perfect fit).

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

 Charistoph wrote:
Heck, just the idea of how to fit Primaris in to Deathwing and Ravenwing boggles my mind at the moment.

Why? If I'm not mistaken, surely they only need to be very well trusted Dark Angels and get keep up with the general mission premise of their Firstborn brothers? We're at a point where a newly made Primaris Space Marine could well have worked up the ranks and been inducted into one of the Wings purely on merit - just like any other Battle Brother, without the fear of "they're just a green Ultramarine!"

If that were the case, I don't see why Aggressor Squads couldn't function in the Deathwing, or things like Impulsors, Repulsors, or Repulsor Executioners couldn't fit in the Ravenwing as skimmers (obviously if they do any Primaris Bikes of some kind, they would obviously be a perfect fit).

Also, the Rubicron Primaris allows regular marines to become primaris marines. The inner circle and the wings could just BECOME primaris marines instead of newly created primaris working their way up the ranks.

Lance845 wrote:Any thought that old marines are not being squatted is delusional at this point. Primaris hover bikes will come out. A gun ship will come out. Melee gravis will exist. There is zero reason to not primaris everything and replace the old line. They are already doing it. As the named characters get replaced with primaris versions its just a done deal.

You know that legacy site they made? Old marines are gunna end up there at the start of next edition. Sure, you can still "play them". But they won't receive updates and won't be considered when balancing the game and moving forward.

We've seen them do crazier and more stupid actions in their business than not squat a series of models, especially ones that have brought a lot of profit in the past. Of course, they've squatted stuff that would have been fine, they just quit supporting them, making it a self-fulfilling prophecy in dropping them for cause.

Sgt_Smudge wrote:Why? If I'm not mistaken, surely they only need to be very well trusted Dark Angels and get keep up with the general mission premise of their Firstborn brothers? We're at a point where a newly made Primaris Space Marine could well have worked up the ranks and been inducted into one of the Wings purely on merit - just like any other Battle Brother, without the fear of "they're just a green Ultramarine!"

If that were the case, I don't see why Aggressor Squads couldn't function in the Deathwing, or things like Impulsors, Repulsors, or Repulsor Executioners couldn't fit in the Ravenwing as skimmers (obviously if they do any Primaris Bikes of some kind, they would obviously be a perfect fit).

Because I was looking at their current kit and how they function and how it doesn't quite match the current base Deathwing Squad setup. Honestly, going just Agressors would be a reason to ditch Deathwing as a reason to keep Dark Angels as their own codex. They made those Knights as a reason to justify their own codex. We may see Gravis Deathwing Knights come out and be an Angels exclusive, along with those Phobos Bikes I mentioned (too bad you cut my quote off early, or you may have remembered that). Tacticus Bikes would be the realm of the mainline codex and not available to the Angels.