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Because the Imperium is doing what must be done for the survival of mankind, not because it's amusing. There is no better moral option.

Tau are tiny and still arrange breeding. Good luck, Gue'vesa. Your spouse might be bred to better stock.

Read the Guants Ghosts novels for a good example of the varied levels different worlds of the imperium exist at. Sure you have you horrible totalitarian type planets, but you also have your relatively idyllic settled worlds, or even planets that exist as paradise worlds. Reading through some of the rpg books reveals some neat lore as well about they types of worlds that exist and their relative living conditions.

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 flandarz wrote:
Obviously, the morally superior race in the galaxy are the Orkz. Prove me wrong.:p

Really just depends on what you believe about forces of nature being evil and perhaps what constitutes nature.

If anything its the most neutral of races in the 40k universe. that and the nids.

Maybe only tangentially related, but do we consider species created by the Old Ones as nature in the same way as Tyranids are assumed to be?

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
Because the Imperium is doing what must be done for the survival of mankind, not because it's amusing. There is no better moral option.

According to... *checks notes* yep, the Imperium of Man.

Who have no vested interest, obviously.

Stalin's Purges? The Holodomor? Just doing what must be done for the survival of the CCCP, not because it was amusing. There was no better moral option.

According to Stalin.

Who had no vested interest, obviously.

I'd say any species that was directly created by an outside force isn't natural. Species that would be incidentally created though the influence of an outside force (like Daemons) are natural. And anything with less influence than that would also be natural.


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Also: I think it's important to make the distinction between a "tyranny" and "communism". You can be the former without being the latter and vice versa.

 Insectum7 wrote:

Iracundus wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:
Life on an Imperial world does not have to be brutal. "The Imperium" does not dictate that it needs to be so. See Ultramar. Life on individual worlds can be happy or awful, and that's really just up to the local government or circumstances. The caveats are that you must worship the Emperor (or at least not worship something NOT the Emperor) and that the world must meet it's tithe.

It CAN be awful and oppressive. But it can also be the opposite. The Imperium as a whole doesn't care, as long as you pay your taxes.

The Imperium may not directly dictate certain things but it might effectively indirectly select for them. For example, it may set tithe rates at a level that only harsh oppressive governments can reliably meet, which in effect selects for harsh oppressive governments since any government that did not tighten the screws on the population would eventually fail to meet its tithe requirements and get replaced.

Similarly, if the Administratum notices a world seems to be having a good quality of life for all concerned, it might raise the tithe level, concluding the world has more to give and therefore should contribute more.

Sure, but again we have the example of Ultramar. the Imperium is a supremely powerful regime, but it doesn't dictate horrible oppression and living circumstances per se. Inidividuals or institutions with power within the Imperial apparatus have the authority whether or not to oppress. The sin of the Imperium is more that it doesn't protect the rights of citizens, generally speaking, and therefore citizens are unprotected against horrible corruption and oppression. "The Imperium" doesn't really care. Which can be twisted and awful in it's own way, but weirdly indirect. In terms of fictional power bases it's sort of unique, to my knowledge.

Ultramar is nice, relatively speaking. Decent standards of living, better than usual enough to be of note. However, it is no less of a despotic regime than the rest of the Imperium. maybe with a little more velvet on the iron glove. But its because that it what works in Ultramar. Other places can't afford such a light hand.

 agurus1 wrote:
Read the Guants Ghosts novels for a good example of the varied levels different worlds of the imperium exist at. Sure you have you horrible totalitarian type planets, but you also have your relatively idyllic settled worlds, or even planets that exist as paradise worlds. Reading through some of the rpg books reveals some neat lore as well about they types of worlds that exist and their relative living conditions.

Ah yeah Guants Ghost the ultimate proof of ANOTHER one of the imperiums failings. There complete and utter lack of respect for the men and women that fight to protect it. Remember that time after the first Battle Of Armaggadon when the inquisition decided to just fething murder millions of loyal gaurdsmen for basically no fething reason. A move so utterly dumb and Immoral that the Space Wolves deicided to fight a mini civil war with the Inquisition to stop it. Honestly one of the mist nonsensical things about 40K is that the Salamanders arnt ina perpetual state of war with the Inquistion given how often the inquistion pulls BS like what they tried to do on Armageddon

And yet there's a good reason for them to try in a lot of cases.
The Tau do exactly the same - in War of Secrets, there's a quid pro quo between Imperium and Tau to massacre one another's allied worlds to contain a daemonic infection whilst keeping respective hands publically clean.

Whilst in A Dream Of War, you see some of the consequences of Armageddon - and, yes, the Imperium has lost worlds to cults and demonic incursion because of the wolves actions.

One regiment which was spared as a result of their actions, which if it wasnt for creed and kell could easily have turned the whole 'cadia stands' meme into 'cadia went down like a punk with a completely decapitated command structure', was the Volscani Cataphracts...

locarno24 wrote:
And yet there's a good reason for them to try in a lot of cases.
The Tau do exactly the same - in War of Secrets, there's a quid pro quo between Imperium and Tau to massacre one another's allied worlds to contain a daemonic infection whilst keeping respective hands publically clean.

Whilst in A Dream Of War, you see some of the consequences of Armageddon - and, yes, the Imperium has lost worlds to cults and demonic incursion because of the wolves actions.

One regiment which was spared as a result of their actions, which if it wasnt for creed and kell could easily have turned the whole 'cadia stands' meme into 'cadia went down like a punk with a completely decapitated command structure', was the Volscani Cataphracts...

So your Seriosuly gonna agree with the Grey Knights that any Guardsmen who comes in contact with a Deamon should be killed No matter the circumstances? Tjat they should have killed all those guardsmen during Armageddon?

Tau use insidious mind manipulation to enslave their own people, whilst pretending to be a guiding light of logic and reason.

chimera0205 wrote:

locarno24 wrote:
And yet there's a good reason for them to try in a lot of cases.
The Tau do exactly the same - in War of Secrets, there's a quid pro quo between Imperium and Tau to massacre one another's allied worlds to contain a daemonic infection whilst keeping respective hands publically clean.

Whilst in A Dream Of War, you see some of the consequences of Armageddon - and, yes, the Imperium has lost worlds to cults and demonic incursion because of the wolves actions.

One regiment which was spared as a result of their actions, which if it wasnt for creed and kell could easily have turned the whole 'cadia stands' meme into 'cadia went down like a punk with a completely decapitated command structure', was the Volscani Cataphracts...

So your Seriosuly gonna agree with the Grey Knights that any Guardsmen who comes in contact with a Deamon should be killed No matter the circumstances? Tjat they should have killed all those guardsmen during Armageddon?

Yes? You are aware that demonic corruption is a serious problem for humans, and can spread like an infection?
The Inquisition isn't taking any chances. Is it cruel? Yes. Is it unfortunate? It is necessary, yes, because all it takes is for a handful of chaos corrupted guardsmen to return to their home worlds and damn them through cults.
Its the same problem with Genestealer cults, except with less blood sacrifices and more fething.
The Inquisition may be dicks, but they pretty much have to be in order to protect the Imperium as a whole.

Necessary according to... *checks notes* ah yes, a repressive state apparatus of the Imperium of Man.

Well yeah, its still necessary. That's kind of the point - the Imperium is on the decline, things are bad and going to get worse, and humanity's days are numbered unless some sort of miracle happens.
The Imperium is the epitome of "desperate times call for desperate measures". If they didn't take desperate measures, the consequences might be more dire than if they didn't take whatever horrible precaution that situation called for.
The Imperium is basically XCOM (the 1994 game, not the newer one) on Superhuman difficulty with Ironman mode enabled (assuming you have OpenXCOM. Which you should have if you are playing the old XCOM games). Everything is FUBAR.

As I said, the Inquisition are certainly dicks, but they have to be in order for humanity's survival and independence as a species. If that doesn't succinctly demonstrate just how bad things are, then I don't know what will.

 Excommunicatus wrote:
Necessary according to... *checks notes* ah yes, a repressive state apparatus of the Imperium of Man.

What is the more humane solution that you propose?

Keep in mind that the mere knowledge that Chaos exists can be enough to form a wellspring of corruption.

 Insectum7 wrote:

 Excommunicatus wrote:
Necessary according to... *checks notes* ah yes, a repressive state apparatus of the Imperium of Man.

What is the more humane solution that you propose?

Keep in mind that the mere knowledge that Chaos exists can be enough to form a wellspring of corruption.

Quarantines coupled with introducing actual countermeasures beyond shooting people in the head. Widespread corruption is only a problem for the Imperium, everyone else manages fine.

Oh, I agree with you all. The IoM never does anything wrong or unnecessary, if you base that on what the IoM tells you.

I don't propose a different solution. I suggest that fundamentally you cannot trust ANYTHING the IoM tells you. Literally everything you just said is 'true' because the =][= say so. End of inquiry.

You shouldn't believe the press releases that Factions write for themselves.

 Excommunicatus wrote:
Oh, I agree with you all. The IoM never does anything wrong or unnecessary, if you base that on what the IoM tells you.

I don't propose a different solution. I suggest that fundamentally you cannot trust ANYTHING the IoM tells you. Literally everything you just said is 'true' because the =][= say so. End of inquiry.

You shouldn't believe the press releases that Factions write for themselves.

Well, where are you getting information that the Imperium's oppression is unnecessary?

You're probably getting it from the T'au and other faction source books. Which by your previous standards should be equally unreliable. Their criticisms of the Imperium's methods are just as much propaganda as the Imperium claiming they need to be harsh.

The existence of a human population under Tau rule for several centuries (since at least the end of the Damocles Crusade) without them succumbing to daemonic possession/infestation suggests that whatever the Tau may be doing with those humans, it seems to be working in its own way.

That is interesting. Could be due to a lack of psykers, overall better living conditions (apparently Chaos is attracted to suffering), Tau acting as a smoke screen because of their weak warp signatures (think of a bunch of a clouds over a light, compared to Los Angeles. The demons would be more interested in Los Angeles), or simply narrative oversight. GW aren't the greatest or most consistent of writers.

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 Excommunicatus wrote:
Oh, I agree with you all. The IoM never does anything wrong or unnecessary, if you base that on what the IoM tells you.

I don't propose a different solution. I suggest that fundamentally you cannot trust ANYTHING the IoM tells you. Literally everything you just said is 'true' because the =][= say so. End of inquiry.

You shouldn't believe the press releases that Factions write for themselves.

Well, where are you getting information that the Imperium's oppression is unnecessary?

You're probably getting it from the T'au and other faction source books. Which by your previous standards should be equally unreliable. Their criticisms of the Imperium's methods are just as much propaganda as the Imperium claiming they need to be harsh.

Did you just 'run the 40K version of calling me a Russian bot? Did you miss the part where I said "[y]ou shouldn't believe the press releases that Factions write for themselves"?.

I am not alleging that they necessarily are unnecessary. I am pointing out that everything we know about the IoM comes from pressers released by the IoM.

It may well be necessary. It may well not be. The point is, you can't trust repressive state apparatus. They are designed only to perpetuate and justify themselves. The =][= is a repressive state apparatus and you cannot trust anything it says. You cannot trust anything the IoM says. You cannot trust anything the Tau say. It is all naked agitprop.

Stalin's opinion on forced deportations aren't considered by many. For obvious reasons.

There was a human empire that fighted the corruption of Chaos by... Educating his population about it and how to avoid it.
The Chaos Gods couldnt corrupt it so they used Khor Phaeron and Erebus to trick a not yet corrupted Horus to destroy them.
The Inquisition solution to Chaos is the same one the Emperor had, and it is worthless since the first second it was tried. Thats why is Grimdark. It is not a solution, cruelty is just a temporary but futile deterent. But they are too blinded in their method to see the true solution.

Dont you people see that if the Imperium way was the only and true way, it stops being grimdark? It is dark because all reason has been abandoned millenia ago. The introduction of the universe tells it clearly. Theres only madness left.
(And feth that retcon about Vulkan being sad, written by people that has forsaken the theme of the universe by corporate orders to sell marines as super heroes)

 Galas wrote:
There was a human empire that fighted the corruption of Chaos by... Educating his population about it and how to avoid it.
The Chaos Gods couldnt corrupt it so they used Khor Phaeron and Erebus to trick a not yet corrupted Horus to destroy them.
The Inquisition solution to Chaos is the same one the Emperor had, and it is worthless since the first second it was tried. Thats why is Grimdark. It is not a solution, cruelty is just a temporary but futile deterent. But they are too blinded in their method to see the true solution.

Dont you people see that if the Imperium way was the only and true way, it stops being grimdark? It is dark because all reason has been abandoned millenia ago. The introduction of the universe tells it clearly. Theres only madness left.
(And feth that retcon about Vulkan being sad, written by people that has forsaken the theme of the universe by corporate orders to sell marines as super heroes)

That is the better solution, yes. Which is why its grimdark that the Inquisition has to do it the messy way.
Would the Interex way even work with how the Imperium is set up? All those people, living in such horrible conditions, many of them afraid and uneducated.
The Interex had a much smaller population, didn't they? Weren't a lot of them well off and well educated? I'd say the criteria for the Interex way working is different from what the Imperium can achieve.
How do you know that if the Inquisition were to do it the "right" way, it wouldn't just cause a bunch of chaos uprisings? You don't know, I don't know, they wouldn't know. That's why they do it the "wrong" way, because they can't afford to try anything better.

The right solution to the problem not being obtainable because of a series of conditions is also pretty grimdark. It really is like a failing XCOM or Total War game, where you are pretty much stuck in a perpetual stalemate, unable to really do anything because of a bunch of variables.

Keep in mind the Interex faced a weaker, wayyyy weaker, Chaos that the Imperium is facing at the end of the 41st millennium. The Emperor and His strategy weakened the Chaos, that called Him the "Anathema" and worked hard for His fall, for a reason.

The thing is its clearly and objectively a problem specifically with the IoMs style of governance. Tau Human Words have no problems with Chaos, Interex had no problems with Chaos. The Golden Age of Technology Humanity didnt have any major problems with Choas for the vast majority of there rule. There are entire races made up of NOTHING but psykers like the Niccasar that have no problems with Chaos. All evidence points to the Imperiums Choas problem bieng largely self inflicted. Its not a issue with galaxy at large. Its a problem almost umique to the Imperium. Hell if you factor in the several client races made up of nothing but psykers the Tau probably have MORE psykers per capita then the Imperium. And they only started have problems with Choas really really recently.

I agree with the above. The warp and chaos are mirrors of the emotions of humanity. The suffering inflicted by the imperium fuels chaos. Besides, the whole point of the setting is satire. The imperium is supposed to be the good guy when by all measures they’re actually the baddies. And most of their problems are originally self inflicted.

Also the tau don’t mind control, and they’ve only sterilized rebellious human populations (whereas the imperium would gladly kill everyone on the planet)

chimera0205 wrote:
The thing is its clearly and objectively a problem specifically with the IoMs style of governance. Tau Human Words have no problems with Chaos, Interex had no problems with Chaos. The Golden Age of Technology Humanity didnt have any major problems with Choas for the vast majority of there rule. There are entire races made up of NOTHING but psykers like the Niccasar that have no problems with Chaos. All evidence points to the Imperiums Choas problem bieng largely self inflicted. Its not a issue with galaxy at large. Its a problem almost umique to the Imperium. Hell if you factor in the several client races made up of nothing but psykers the Tau probably have MORE psykers per capita then the Imperium. And they only started have problems with Choas really really recently.

Tau human worlds? You mean "slave colonies". There are very, very few Tau "human worlds" and the Tau are isolated to one part of the Galaxy. Reminder: The Black Templars ALONE could gather up and exterminate the Tau in a single brief crusade. IF there were problems with the human slaves to the Tau, well... do you REALLY think they'd do anything other than exterminate them?

IoM's "style of governance"? Which one? Because any way people can be governed, there are MULTIPLE worlds within the Imperium like that. Communism, fascism, Monarchy, Democracy, Republic, Libertarian... you name it, if it can run that way- it runs that way, and all the Imperium asks is "pay your damned tithe and be loyal to the Emperor and Imperium".

"Everyone else"- let's review.

Tau: Have a tiny, tiny presence in the warp. Oh, and Farsight IS being influenced by Chaos, in a subtle and subversive way by the Daemon weapon he's using (Ironic, isn't it?)

All Aeldari instantly kill anyone even remotely touched by Chaos and go WAAAAY out of their way to avoid it. Vect has one of the more effective policies.

Orks are going to kill anything that isn't Ork, unless there's nothing around but Ork. Orks aren't like humans at all.

Tyranids isolate and quarantine and purge chaos-contaminated splinters of a hive fleet.

Necrons can't even be Chaos'd that we know, but if they could they'd be deleting the hell out of anything that did.

So, that "everyone else" doesn't mean anything. It's like saying, "No one else needs tampons, I don't see a reason to stop" when there's ONE CHICK in the group on the road trip.

Now, tell me what "actual countermeasures" do you prefer? Maybe "pray the heresy away" camps? Or perhaps some kind of magic "chaos taint, here you ain't" medicine? Some good soap? A stern lecture on the naughtiness of Chaos?

Chaos isn't a lifestyle choice or a misguided decision process. It's an actual taint- a disease, a cognito-hazard that sets in and creates irredeemable monsters out of sentient beings. Its influence can be subtle, soft and creeping into one's mind over decades- or sudden and overwhelming.

There. Is. No. Other. Option.

The whole "TaU aRe ThE gOoD gUyS" is something that people who don't understand the 40k setting always say. The Imperium has its fair share of jerks and oppressive megalomaniacs, just like literally any other group of people in a massive number. So do the Tau. And both have their own share of people who are genuinely good people, trying to do the best they can and not be a jerk. For every Marine Malevolent you have a bro-tier Salamander, Lamenter, and Raptor. For every psychotic radical Inquisitor, you've got a Eisenhorn and more like him. For every trigger-happy Commissar, you have a Gaunt and more like him.

Morality isn't "Good guys and bad guys" in 40k. That's not the entire point. A "good guy" in 40k is that Inquisitor that regretfully authorizes an Exterminatus on a world, knowing that's the only way to redirect the Tyranids headed that way. It's that Arbites Judge that leads the Enforcer squad through a Hab-block and violently shoots everyone, because he knows the cult's heretical taint is running rampant through there and it must be stopped. These are not noble-bright Star Trek decisions with the best possible outcomes. These are dark, horrible problems and there's no easier way to deal with them. 40k is very much there to reinforce the point about fighting monsters and becoming them.


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Dandelion wrote:
Also the tau don’t mind control, and they’ve only sterilized rebellious human populations (whereas the imperium would gladly kill everyone on the planet)

Show me where exterminatus or a widespread purge was enacted on a planet that turned away from the Imperium.

Not Chaos, not Xeno-tainted, but actual 'turned away'. And how they gleefully exterminated people there and this was okay, and no one batted an eye.

Exterminatus is NOT something done lightly, or willy-nilly.

Dandelion wrote:

Also the tau don’t mind control

The Vespids might have something to say about that.
Or at least they might if the 'communication helmets' thoughtfully given to them immediately prior to their calm acceptance of total annexation were removed.

This is still, by far and large, part of a greater quote that best explains Warhammer 40k and the Imperium:

"The Imperium isn't grim because things suck by choice and could be fine if a sensible person came along. That sensible person wouldn't survive fifty seconds of the reality. The Imperium is grim because every single gak decision, every single sacrifice, every single death, every single man woman and child suffering a gak life in the worst conditions imaginable, is the absolute best that can be done. It is a study of the worst happening to everyone and what part of your humanity must be sacrificed today just to stand a chance of survival, and all it asks is whether or not it would have perhaps been better to die." -Baron Von Evilsatan

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

chimera0205 wrote:
The thing is its clearly and objectively a problem specifically with the IoMs style of governance. Tau Human Words have no problems with Chaos, Interex had no problems with Chaos. The Golden Age of Technology Humanity didnt have any major problems with Choas for the vast majority of there rule. There are entire races made up of NOTHING but psykers like the Niccasar that have no problems with Chaos. All evidence points to the Imperiums Choas problem bieng largely self inflicted. Its not a issue with galaxy at large. Its a problem almost umique to the Imperium. Hell if you factor in the several client races made up of nothing but psykers the Tau probably have MORE psykers per capita then the Imperium. And they only started have problems with Choas really really recently.

Tau human worlds? You mean "slave colonies". There are very, very few Tau "human worlds" and the Tau are isolated to one part of the Galaxy. Reminder: The Black Templars ALONE could gather up and exterminate the Tau in a single brief crusade. IF there were problems with the human slaves to the Tau, well... do you REALLY think they'd do anything other than exterminate them?

IoM's "style of governance"? Which one? Because any way people can be governed, there are MULTIPLE worlds within the Imperium like that. Communism, fascism, Monarchy, Democracy, Republic, Libertarian... you name it, if it can run that way- it runs that way, and all the Imperium asks is "pay your damned tithe and be loyal to the Emperor and Imperium".

"Everyone else"- let's review.

Tau: Have a tiny, tiny presence in the warp. Oh, and Farsight IS being influenced by Chaos, in a subtle and subversive way by the Daemon weapon he's using (Ironic, isn't it?)

All Aeldari instantly kill anyone even remotely touched by Chaos and go WAAAAY out of their way to avoid it. Vect has one of the more effective policies.

Orks are going to kill anything that isn't Ork, unless there's nothing around but Ork. Orks aren't like humans at all.

Tyranids isolate and quarantine and purge chaos-contaminated splinters of a hive fleet.

Necrons can't even be Chaos'd that we know, but if they could they'd be deleting the hell out of anything that did.

So, that "everyone else" doesn't mean anything. It's like saying, "No one else needs tampons, I don't see a reason to stop" when there's ONE CHICK in the group on the road trip.

Now, tell me what "actual countermeasures" do you prefer? Maybe "pray the heresy away" camps? Or perhaps some kind of magic "chaos taint, here you ain't" medicine? Some good soap? A stern lecture on the naughtiness of Chaos?

Chaos isn't a lifestyle choice or a misguided decision process. It's an actual taint- a disease, a cognito-hazard that sets in and creates irredeemable monsters out of sentient beings. Its influence can be subtle, soft and creeping into one's mind over decades- or sudden and overwhelming.

There. Is. No. Other. Option.

The whole "TaU aRe ThE gOoD gUyS" is something that people who don't understand the 40k setting always say. The Imperium has its fair share of jerks and oppressive megalomaniacs, just like literally any other group of people in a massive number. So do the Tau. And both have their own share of people who are genuinely good people, trying to do the best they can and not be a jerk. For every Marine Malevolent you have a bro-tier Salamander, Lamenter, and Raptor. For every psychotic radical Inquisitor, you've got a Eisenhorn and more like him. For every trigger-happy Commissar, you have a Gaunt and more like him.

Morality isn't "Good guys and bad guys" in 40k. That's not the entire point. A "good guy" in 40k is that Inquisitor that regretfully authorizes an Exterminatus on a world, knowing that's the only way to redirect the Tyranids headed that way. It's that Arbites Judge that leads the Enforcer squad through a Hab-block and violently shoots everyone, because he knows the cult's heretical taint is running rampant through there and it must be stopped. These are not noble-bright Star Trek decisions with the best possible outcomes. These are dark, horrible problems and there's no easier way to deal with them. 40k is very much there to reinforce the point about fighting monsters and becoming them.


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Dandelion wrote:
Also the tau don’t mind control, and they’ve only sterilized rebellious human populations (whereas the imperium would gladly kill everyone on the planet)

Show me where exterminatus or a widespread purge was enacted on a planet that turned away from the Imperium.

Not Chaos, not Xeno-tainted, but actual 'turned away'. And how they gleefully exterminated people there and this was okay, and no one batted an eye.

Exterminatus is NOT something done lightly, or willy-nilly.

Ok first of all the Tau human worlds arnt Slave colonys. By all accounts they are treated BETTER under the Tau then they were under the Imperium. And have more freedom to boot. The tau allow you to worship whoever the feth you want as long as it doesnt contradict the greator good. There are humans in thr Tau empire who still worships the God Emperor.

As for the Black Templars being Able to wipe out the Tau thats also inaccurate. Thr tau while small in number have a average quality surpassing that of every faction bar the Eldar and Necrons. A Crisis battlesuit is often depicted as on par with a space marine and the tau have far more Crisis battlesuits then the Black Templars have Space Marines.

And even alot of the "good" people in the imperium that you mentioned arnt actually all that good. Guant for instance. The Tanith First and Only STILL havnt gotten that planet they were promised despite there achievements list rivaling that of a Space Marine Chapter.

As for a better solution. Inproved living conditions, education. Suffering and ignorance attract choas. Interex avoided choas entirely by just yknow Informing its population about the dangers of choas and making sure there populations needs were taken care of. Healthy continent happy people dont feel the NEED to sacrifice there children to the blood god.

As for Exterminatuses a planet that turned away from the Imperium ill do you one better. Inquisitor Kryptman Exterminatus dozens if not hundreds if LOYAL imperium planets. Not choas infected, not genestealer infected, not even turned away. Planets that were still wholly and entirely LOYAL.

chimera0205 wrote:
Ok first of all the Tau human worlds arnt Slave colonys. By all accounts they are treated BETTER under the Tau then they were under the Imperium. And have more freedom to boot. The tau allow you to worship whoever the feth you want as long as it doesnt contradict the greator good. There are humans in thr Tau empire who still worships the God Emperor.

By all accounts, Comrade Stalin treats us all very well and Soviet Union is happy place, yes!

Who's going and conducting in-depth interviews with the Gue'vesa?

chimera0205 wrote:
As for the Black Templars being Able to wipe out the Tau thats also inaccurate. Thr tau while small in number have a average quality surpassing that of every faction bar the Eldar and Necrons. A Crisis battlesuit is often depicted as on par with a space marine and the tau have far more Crisis battlesuits then the Black Templars have Space Marines.

Ah, I see the Tau have a propaganda book with BS on par with the Imperial Guardsman's Uplifting Primer.

Tell me, do you know how many Black Templars there are?

Because I don't even think the Black Templars know how many Black Templars there are. That's what makes them a bit scary.

chimera0205 wrote:
As for a better solution. Inproved living conditions, education. Suffering and ignorance attract choas. Interex avoided choas entirely by just yknow Informing its population about the dangers of choas and making sure there populations needs were taken care of. Healthy continent happy people dont feel the NEED to sacrifice there children to the blood god.

By all means, tell me how you're going to do this.

Also, nobility in luxurious and comfortable lifestyles never fall to Chaos, right? It's only the poor and pissed off.

chimera0205 wrote:
As for Exterminatuses a planet that turned away from the Imperium ill do you one better. Inquisitor Kryptman Exterminatus dozens if not hundreds if LOYAL imperium planets. Not choas infected, not genestealer infected, not even turned away. Planets that were still wholly and entirely LOYAL.

I'd like a citation for this, because Inquisitors don't get to waste the Emperor's Currency- other Inquisitors will EAGERLY bring them to heel for this.