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 Insectum7 wrote:

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Devastator-Squad-2017?_requestid=117111

Not real good with sarcasm, are we?

Shine on, you shiny diamond.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Devastator-Squad-2017?_requestid=117111

Not real good with sarcasm, are we?

Shine on, you shiny diamond.

That, my friend, is a lousy attempt at a save.

 Insectum7 wrote:
That, my friend, is a lousy attempt at a save.

ok good job

you are the best

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:
That, my friend, is a lousy attempt at a save.

ok good job

you are the best

So 40K pay to win because it buffs rules for units that are 20 years old, and are already in player's collections. Got it.

 Insectum7 wrote:

So 40K pay to win because it buffs rules for units that are 20 years old, and are already in player's collections. Got it.

No, you're just really good at the game

I promise

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:

So 40K pay to win because it buffs rules for units that are 20 years old, and are already in player's collections. Got it.

No, you're just really good at the game

I promise

Just poking at your theory, that's all. 'Everybody's got to buy the latest kits in order to have a chance at 40K', and so forth.

 Insectum7 wrote:

Just poking at your theory, that's all. 'Everybody's got to buy the latest kits in order to have a chance at 40K', and so forth.

I like how creative you are, while some would call that hyperbole or a straw man argument. I say you just took what I didn't say, and decided to express yourself and make some changes to it.

Moooooooooooods! They're doing it again!

as oit is the whole "it's pay to win!" arguement is rediculas, EVERYONE has to buy their models and codex so of cour se it is. the whole "pay to win is bad" thing is with regards to FREE TO PLAY ONLINE GAMES.

it's like screaming about doping in 40k. yes doping in physical atheletics is bad but it's so far outside the model of 40k, using the word in a 40k discussion is frankly intellectually dishonest.

WARHAMMER 40K IS NOT A MMO.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:

Just poking at your theory, that's all. 'Everybody's got to buy the latest kits in order to have a chance at 40K', and so forth.

I like how creative you are, while some would call that hyperbole or a straw man argument. I say you just took what I didn't say, and decided to express yourself and make some changes to it.

You said:

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
40k is the biggest example of "Pay 2 Win" games. People shouldn't be shocked when the new toys they want you to buy are performing better than other things (temporarily).

Phrase "Pay 2 Win" and saying new kits will outperform old kits by design. Seems like a pretty straight forward statement to me.

I'm just calling bull because lots of old units got buffed, some more than new units, and GW is generally pretty inconsistent about making new kits great performers.

Naturally there's churn in the game, and having a larger collection can help weather meta changes, but that's quite a different paradigm than the traditional definition of "pay 2 win" and "new units perform better than old units".

Bikes were for the longest time the best Space Marine army build, and they have probably one of the oldest plastic kits, especially in the SM range.

It's like communicating with a brick wall.

Sooner or later, I'm just the one that's the idiot for trying to communicate with the very obvious brick wall.

Also, just to throw gas on a fire:

I can't wait for non-Primaris marines to be removed from the game.

There, go nuts.

you know what "making a contriversial statement to provoke a reaction" is called?

Trolling.

BrianDavion wrote:
you know what "making a contriversial statement to provoke a reaction" is called?

Trolling.

Actually that's my honest opinion and you can't prove otherwise.

So, I don't care what you think or how much it rustles your jimmies.

And it's still "pay to win".

Deal with it.


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 Insectum7 wrote:

Phrase "Pay 2 Win" and saying new kits will outperform old kits by design. Seems like a pretty straight forward statement to me.

I guess you're wrong.

It's obviously outperforming other factions, right? So if you want to win, theoretically, you would buy the new buffed faction- old models included, right?

This isn't complicated.

it's not pay to win, you're just throwing around terms you learned in a MMO general chat without understanding that 40k isn't a MMO

BrianDavion wrote:
it's not pay to win, you're just throwing around terms you learned in a MMO general chat without understanding that 40k isn't a MMO

And so the knight in shining armour arrived to save the petite damsel from distress, his hair flailing in the wind behind him.

If games workshop is using rules to push models, which they are by the way. Then it is THE definition of Pay To Win.
Pay To Win = Designing the game so people that pay money directly have an advantage.

inb4 BUT GAMES WORKSHOP NEVER DO THAT

So? Who cares, it's done in a totally incidental way. It's still pay 2 win.
BrianDavion, the fastest knight with the shiniest or armours - even you must agree that Space Mehereeeeeeens are the strongest army right now, and dont give me any of that YE BUT ELDA FLIYAS gak.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

Phrase "Pay 2 Win" and saying new kits will outperform old kits by design. Seems like a pretty straight forward statement to me.

I guess you're wrong.

It's obviously outperforming other factions, right? So if you want to win, theoretically, you would buy the new buffed faction- old models included, right?

This isn't complicated.

Since the book buffs the marine army basically across the board there's little incentive to buy new models. It'd be pay 2 win if the old models were made functionally obsolete, competitively speaking, with the new rules (thus forcing new purchases), but the book hardly does that. In some cases quite the opposite. If anything, it's made more Space Marine units and builds viable, allowing for a wide range of already existing collections to compete favorably. Making currently existing collections more competitive is basically the opposite of P2W.

Remember when this forum was pretty civil? It's resembling a chan bratfest more and more with each passing day.

Dai wrote:
Remember when this forum was pretty civil? It's resembling a chan bratfest more and more with each passing day.

it really is the past few months have been pretty bad, there's always been some neigitvity on these fourms but of late you can't have a conversation at all here without it being derailed by the same tired arguments from the same half dozen people.

BrianDavion wrote:

Dai wrote:
Remember when this forum was pretty civil? It's resembling a chan bratfest more and more with each passing day.

it really is the past few months have been pretty bad, there's always been some neigitvity on these fourms but of late you can't have a conversation at all here without it being derailed by the same tired arguments from the same half dozen people.

Civil or not has nothing to do with negativity though. IMO the negativity is justified to a certain degree, the uncivilised name-calling attitude isn't.

Waaaghbert wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

Dai wrote:
Remember when this forum was pretty civil? It's resembling a chan bratfest more and more with each passing day.

it really is the past few months have been pretty bad, there's always been some neigitvity on these fourms but of late you can't have a conversation at all here without it being derailed by the same tired arguments from the same half dozen people.

Civil or not has nothing to do with negativity though. IMO the negativity is justified to a certain degree, the uncivilised name-calling attitude isn't.

right I'm refering to negitive ADDITUDES, not negitive OPINIONS.

This thread is done.