Cannoness mistake in new Sisters box.

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**Argive**

God I hoe they will see the light and stop with this hellbent mission of no model no rules madness. Give options and people can count as if they want and convert if they really like a particular build and want to be strictly WYSIWYG...

**Lord Damocles**

I think it's pretty safe to say that it wasn't GW's intent to give the model weapons which aren't allowed by the rules - so even if the technically 'WYSIWYG doesn't exist so who cares', GW have still fouled up (surprise!).

**Lammia**

Zomby138 wrote:
I can't believe the last two people tried to defend this.

Are you guys saying that if they'd shipped the canoness holding a Lascannon then you wouldn't have seen any problem?

I'm saying that I'd hope there be a 'Legends' option for the Canoness to take a Lascannon, but I wouldn't expect it in the Codex.

I'd also have 'It's deviating from the Holy Trinity' but that's going to be more of a fluff issue, than mechanics issue.

**MrMoustaffa**

Argive wrote:
God I hoe they will see the light and stop with this hellbent mission of no model no rules madness. Give options and people can count as if they want and convert if they really like a particular build and want to be strictly WYSIWYG...

Well, they did, for marines at least. Intercessors don't come with thunder hammers, but can take them for reasons I guess, because other marine kits can. Same with their captain I think. But apparently sisters players cant rub enough brain cells together to just borrow a part from another kit in their own range so no combo weapons or anything slightly different from the clam pack.

Maybe we'll get lucky, and GW will just faq the wargear sheet into something sane where we can just take whatever pair of weapons with a rod of our choice and call it a day. Ive only got a few metal sisters but I too have a metal canoness with an illegal loadout thanks to this as well. Granted, she looks like she's 12 compared to the new models, but I'd still like to use her.

**doctortom**

MrMoustaffa wrote:
Argive wrote:
God I hoe they will see the light and stop with this hellbent mission of no model no rules madness. Give options and people can count as if they want and convert if they really like a particular build and want to be strictly WYSIWYG...

Well, they did, for marines at least. Intercessors don't come with thunder hammers, but can take them for reasons I guess, because other marine kits can. Same with their captain I think. But apparently sisters players cant rub enough brain cells together to just borrow a part from another kit in their own range so no combo weapons or anything slightly different from the clam pack.

Maybe we'll get lucky, and GW will just faq the wargear sheet into something sane where we can just take whatever pair of weapons with a rod of our choice and call it a day. Ive only got a few metal sisters but I too have a metal canoness with an illegal loadout thanks to this as well. Granted, she looks like she's 12 compared to the new models, but I'd still like to use her.

I think it's a bit rich to be accusing Sisters players of not being able to rub enough brain cells together when the problem is that GW is supplying a model that can't exist legally with the weapons it has according to the codex. If there's a problem with brain cells, surely it would be the people writing the rules making sure they've accounted for the weapons supplied on the model?

**FezzikDaBullgryn**

So didn't the new Legends list cover this? It says a Cannoness can equip them. Gives options too.

**Crimson**

MrMoustaffa wrote:

Well, they did, for marines at least. Intercessors don't come with thunder hammers, but can take them for reasons I guess, because other marine kits can.

Intercessors can take those weapons because they exist in the Primaris chapter upgrade sprues.

**alextroy**

Zomby138 wrote:
The Cannoness model supplied in the new box set is equiped with a rod of office and plasma pistol, this is illegal acording to the rules in the Codex (supplied in the same box)!

The Cannoness options are as follows:

A Cannoness is a single model equipped with a bolt pistol, chainsword, frag grenades, krak grenades.

WARGEAR OPTIONS

- This model can be equipped with 1 Bolton and 1 power sword instead of 1 bolt pistol and 1 chainsword. If this
model is equiped with 1 boltgun and 1 power sword it additionally has a rod of office.

- This model can be equipped with one of the following instead of 1 bolt pistol: 1 condemnor boltgun, 1 weapon
from the pistols list.

- This model can be equipped with one of the following instead of 1 chainsword: 1 power sword, 1 blessed blade.

- If this model is equiped with 1 chainsword it can have a Brasier of Holy Fire or a Null Rod.

In order to have a rod of office, the Cannoness must have a boltgun, and she has no options to replace it with anything.

These options are needlessly confusing. Why not just let her choose one gun, one sword, and one rod? What does this bizarre web of dependencies achieve?

Is there some powerful combination that these dependencies are trying to rule out?

I would personally like to be able to take a Null Rod and a power sword, but this combination is probably not leagal either, although to be honest it is not clear!

Am I in the right place? I've just made an account so I can post this.

Having reviewed my codex and the pictures of the two known Cannoness kits, it appear that GW attempted to lock the options to fit the two kits for good old "no model, no rules" and failed. This is simply an error I expect to be corrected in the 2 week Errata/FAQ.

The first option is supposed to be the mono-pose cannoness included in the Army Box. Unfortunately, it should be "Plasma Pistol, Power Sword, and Rod of Office" not "Blowgun, Power Sword, and Rod of Office".

The other three options are for the multi-option Cannoness, who has a left hand holding either a pistol (but not a Hand Flamer) or a Condemner Boltgun and a right hand holding either a Chainsword, Power Sword, Blessed Blade, Null Rod, or Brazier of Holy Flame. You an also put a Chainsword over her shoulder.

**Ghaz**

As mentoned above, the Legends - Adepta Sororitas PDF seems to allow the wargear as presented in the original post.

**Crimson**

It does, but I really doubt that this is how they intended this model to be used.

**Lammia**

Where are we reading that it does? I can't see it in my PDF...

**alextroy**

I agree, Lammia. Nothing in Legends allows the combination of Plasma Pistol, Power Sword, and Rod of Office.

**tneva82**

alextroy wrote:
I agree, Lammia. Nothing in Legends allows the combination of Plasma Pistol, Power Sword, and Rod of Office.

Yep. To get rod you need to replace bolt pistol & chainsword to boltgun and power sword. All legend options replace either bolt pistol or chainsword so by the time you have rod you don't have anything to replace with. If you replace either to one of the legend options you don't have bolt pistol and chainsword to replace to boltgun, power sword and rod.

Fix will be with the FAQ.

**Crimson**

Oh, I misread the Legends entry. As people have said, it doesn't work.

**FezzikDaBullgryn**

This is a seriously hilarious new record by them

**FezzikDaBullgryn**

So, I just read the codex, and it's pretty clear. The cannoness can replace her bolt pistol with anything from the Pistols list. The Rod of office is not a weapon but a gear option. So yes, you can take a power sword, a plasma Pistol, and a rod of office.

PS - This is the loadout my GW rep went with in making his cannoness. He said it's completely legal.

**alextroy**

You're going to need to walk me through how you get from these options to Plasma Pistol, Power Sword, and Rod of Office:

A Cannoness is a single model equipped with a bolt pistol, chainsword, frag grenades, krak grenades.
WARGEAR OPTIONS
- This model can be equipped with 1 Boltgun and 1 power sword instead of 1 bolt pistol and 1 chainsword. If this
model is equipped with 1 boltgun and 1 power sword, it additionally has a rod of office.
- This model can be equipped with one of the following instead of 1 bolt pistol: 1 condemnor boltgun, 1 weapon
from the pistols list.
- This model can be equipped with one of the following instead of 1 chainsword: 1 power sword, 1 blessed blade.
- If this model is equipped with 1 chainsword it can have a Brasier of Holy Fire or a Null Rod.

**Slipspace**

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
So, I just read the codex, and it's pretty clear. The cannoness can replace her bolt pistol with anything from the Pistols list. The Rod of office is not a weapon but a gear option. So yes, you can take a power sword, a plasma Pistol, and a rod of office.

PS - This is the loadout my GW rep went with in making his cannoness. He said it's completely legal.

That's not what the Codex says - it's pretty clearly spelled out there as alextroy has shown with the post above this one. What your GW rep may or may not have said is irrelevant. They're no more an authority on the game than any other random gamer and have no special insight into the rules. The only way to get a Canoness with Rod of Office is if she has a boltgun and power sword, as per the rules.

How do you arrive at the conclusion that because you can replace a bolt pistol with anything from the pistols list the Canoness can take a Rod of Office with a plasma pistol and power sword?

**Togusa**

It's not illegal. The PP on her butt could just be for model decoration.

Honestly, if they'd give up weapon options all together the game would just be better. Everything would be uniform and require a lot less design space.

**nekooni**

Togusa wrote:
It's not illegal. The PP on her butt could just be for model decoration.

Honestly, if they'd give up weapon options all together the game would just be better. Everything would be uniform and require a lot less design space.

Sure. But why not play checkers instead then?

**FezzikDaBullgryn**

The model everyone is referencing they should be allowed to play was a bit of swag tossed out to people at NOVA open. Not part of the full release. There are no rules associated with that model.

**JohnnyHell**

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
The model everyone is referencing they should be allowed to play was a bit of swag tossed out to people at NOVA open. Not part of the full release. There are no rules associated with that model.

It’s in the limited box set so is a model people will be using, hence the flapping in this thread.

Wait for the FAQ...

**Ghaz**

JohnnyHell wrote:
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
The model everyone is referencing they should be allowed to play was a bit of swag tossed out to people at NOVA open. Not part of the full release. There are no rules associated with that model.

It’s in the limited box set so is a model people will be using, hence the flapping in this thread.

Wait for the FAQ...

The Warhammer 40,000 Facebook account says you'll probably have to wait until after the full codex has its release.

**JohnnyHell**

Ghaz wrote:
JohnnyHell wrote:
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
The model everyone is referencing they should be allowed to play was a bit of swag tossed out to people at NOVA open. Not part of the full release. There are no rules associated with that model.

It’s in the limited box set so is a model people will be using, hence the flapping in this thread.

Wait for the FAQ...

The Warhammer 40,000 Facebook account says you'll probably have to wait until after the full codex has its release.

Yup, I expect so.

**Lance845**

Wysiwyg isnt a rule and the canoness can be holding anything.

**Stux**

Lance845 wrote:
Wysiwyg isnt a rule and the canoness can be holding anything.

*isnt a core rule.

It is a rule in a lot of events, and even a lot of more casual play groups expect a degree of WYSIWYG. GW knows this, so it's a legitimate frustration.

**Lance845**

Stux wrote:
Lance845 wrote:
Wysiwyg isnt a rule and the canoness can be holding anything.

*isnt a core rule.

It is a rule in a lot of events, and even a lot of more casual play groups expect a degree of WYSIWYG. GW knows this, so it's a legitimate frustration.

1) A legitimate frustration does not make the model illegal.

2) No event ever has required true WYSIWYG, because no person ever has fully modeled every models wargear. Relics in particular which have never had bits do not need to be on the models.

3) Nobody requires WYSIWYG for bits that don't exist. You know Hive Tyrants? You know Monstrous Rending Claws? Know how many Nid models come with Monstrous Rending Claws? 1. The Spawn of Cryptus Brood Lord which is not in scale with a Hive Tyrant and is a monopose with the arms in question only built to fit directly onto that one model. Are Events not allowing Nid players to use MRC on their HT? No. They allow them to use the rules in the book despite the lack of plastic bits to build the model that way. The canoness isn't going to get disqualified because you built the model with the gak it came with.

4) Casual play groups that decide to add extra rules and restrictions can get stuffed. Their opinion on how the game should be has no bearing on how the game actually is.

You may be frustrated, but you are also blowing it way the feth out of proportion and turning it into something it is not.

**petrov27**

So, a little confused, did they put the wrong miniature in the box for the Canonness? The picture on the back of the box does not look like the miniature that was actually included

**Stux**

Lance845 wrote:
Stux wrote:
Lance845 wrote:
Wysiwyg isnt a rule and the canoness can be holding anything.

*isnt a core rule.

It is a rule in a lot of events, and even a lot of more casual play groups expect a degree of WYSIWYG. GW knows this, so it's a legitimate frustration.

1) A legitimate frustration does not make the model illegal.

2) No event ever has required true WYSIWYG, because no person ever has fully modeled every models wargear. Relics in particular which have never had bits do not need to be on the models.

3) Nobody requires WYSIWYG for bits that don't exist. You know Hive Tyrants? You know Monstrous Rending Claws? Know how many Nid models come with Monstrous Rending Claws? 1. The Spawn of Cryptus Brood Lord which is not in scale with a Hive Tyrant and is a monopose with the arms in question only built to fit directly onto that one model. Are Events not allowing Nid players to use MRC on their HT? No. They allow them to use the rules in the book despite the lack of plastic bits to build the model that way. The canoness isn't going to get disqualified because you built the model with the gak it came with.

4) Casual play groups that decide to add extra rules and restrictions can get stuffed. Their opinion on how the game should be has no bearing on how the game actually is.

You may be frustrated, but you are also blowing it way the feth out of proportion and turning it into something it is not.

I think you're the one blowing it out of proportion here. I just said the frustration for Sisters players (which I'm not incidentally) is legitimate.

**beast_gts**

petrov27 wrote:
So, a little confused, did they put the wrong miniature in the box for the Canonness? The picture on the back of the box does not look like the miniature that was actually included

The box shows the upcoming multi-part Canoness, but does state "Contents may vary from those shown". The boxes were printed early and the unique Canoness was a late addition - but she is in the instructions & Codex (and was shown as part of the box from the start).