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I've always been a die hard Xenos player, but the new index has made me consider a small Imperial force.

I'm surprised there's no tactics thread yet, so I thought I'd get the ball rolling.

They seem to be made for adding to other Imperial forces (which makes sense!).

A basic Inquisitor does not break the mono faction rules and can have a relic and Wl trait (get CPs back or -LD, or stuff) for 1 CP

Good idea; I have a fairly sizable Ordo Hereticus force.

Sadly, it seems Hereticus is the worst of the bunch in terms of utility, but the best in terms of outright damage. But utility is really what inquisitors excel at.

I think I will be running the following in most AdMech lists now mainly for psychic defense but also the additional CP & Ld Buffs will probably come in useful:

Inquisitor (55)
Ordo Xenos
Psyker – Smite & Castigation (WC 6, Target unit 18”, roll 3D6 > Lowest Ld, suffer D3 mortal wounds) (Cast & Deny 1/turn) (or the no overwatch power).
Plasma Pistol & Force Sword (5+8)
Inquisitorial Mandate (1CP) – WL Trait & Relic
WL Trait: Esoteric Lore (5+ to gain CP when opponent spends them)
Relic: Bio-Corrosive Poisons (wound on 2+ in melee vs non Vehicle/titanic)
Total: 68 points

I'm planning on a Hereticus Inquisitor for my Admech and potentially my guard as well. Usually my armies struggle dealing with pyskers so the pysker specific targeting is nice, that way it doesn't matter if the pysker is xenos, chaos, or imperial, I'm good. Plus you get that really nice melta gun relic and I like their specific abilities, like the warlord trait.

I was planning on one with inferno pistol relic, force axe, and a pyschic power depending on opponent, perhaps the overwatch shutdown one or the ones that screw with opponents accuracy.

Still waiting for my Jokaero army to be possible again.
50 apes are gathering dust, only had time to play them once.

It is almost impossible to discuss inquisition tactics, as they are inherently a support faction now. Which is sad.

At least they could have their analog of Brood Brothers for IG inclusion as Ordo forces.

 Fan67 wrote:
Still waiting for my Jokaero army to be possible again.
50 apes are gathering dust, only had time to play them once.

It is almost impossible to discuss inquisition tactics, as they are inherently a support faction now. Which is sad.

At least they could have their analog of Brood Brothers for IG inclusion as Ordo forces.

Eh, you can still discuss tactics. Like the best laydown for a support Inquisitor, on average.

I am limited as Hereticus, but taking the 4++, the psychic power that steals CP, and the relic inferno pistol seems like an okay start. Either that or the psychic power that lets him target characters with said inferno pistol, turning him into a melta-sniper.

Rant aside, I think they buff non-Ultramarines SM the most: CP generation, cheap HQ, good magic.

Mixed feeling about single acolytes as backline objective campers. So many snipers nowadays.

Aside from vanilla inqs and acolytes i found only Coteaz to be appealing. His spy network can screw up late game tactics.
If you play UM chapter, Coteaz is huge. You do not lose much CP wise, but CP reliant armies like orks or cult are screwed even more.

 Fan67 wrote:
Still waiting for my Jokaero army to be possible again.
50 apes are gathering dust, only had time to play them once.

It is almost impossible to discuss inquisition tactics, as they are inherently a support faction now. Which is sad.

At least they could have their analog of Brood Brothers for IG inclusion as Ordo forces.

Don't they basically have that, by being able to be taken in an IG force without breaking IG detachment rules?
I guess I'm not sure what exactly the difference would ultimately be, because I thought Brood Brothers didn't get Genestealer detachment bonuses.

I agree, Coteaz is amazing. Anyone heard anything about them fixing him yet? Taking him and that forgeworld inquisition land raider is just silly as far as oversight goes, getting 24 heavy bolter shots against anything that deep strikes within 36" of him? Just silly.

I've been considering making a Vanguard force, more so just to dip a toe into Imperial forces.

Eisenhorn, 3 daemonhosts

Inquisitor with incinerator and inferno pistol, 3 full acolyte squads with needle pistols and flamers.

Duplicate Inquisitor, 3 Joakero

Rihgu wrote:

 Fan67 wrote:
Still waiting for my Jokaero army to be possible again.
50 apes are gathering dust, only had time to play them once.

It is almost impossible to discuss inquisition tactics, as they are inherently a support faction now. Which is sad.

At least they could have their analog of Brood Brothers for IG inclusion as Ordo forces.

Don't they basically have that, by being able to be taken in an IG force without breaking IG detachment rules?
I guess I'm not sure what exactly the difference would ultimately be, because I thought Brood Brothers didn't get Genestealer detachment bonuses.

Multiple inquisitors ruin the detachment bonuses.
Brood brothers get fearless from patriarch and cult ambush.

Inquisition’s “brood brothers” could just get Ordo keyword.

I've got Coteaz, Greyfax, and Eisenhorn. Excited to drop one of the 3 into my Deathwatch/GK list. Looking forward to adding sisters to it soon.

Does having a single inquisitor in another army's detachment unlock stratagems or?

Does an inquisitor with the Warlord Trait stratagem count as the warlord for being in the Inquisitorial Land Raider Prometheus?

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
Does having a single inquisitor in another army's detachment unlock stratagems or?

Its a bit convoluted and definitely needs an FAQ, but yes adding an Inquisitor to a detachment should still allow that detachment to unlock its respective stratagems.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

Does an inquisitor with the Warlord Trait stratagem count as the warlord for being in the Inquisitorial Land Raider Prometheus?

No, as that Inquisitor is not the model you nominated to be your Warlord.

++ Vanguard Detachment ++

Inquisitor Eisenhorn: 2) Psychic Fortitude, 3) Dominate, Warlord

3x Daemonhost

Inquisition Land Raider Prometheus: Ordo Xenos, 2x Quad Heavy Bolters

++ Vanguard Detachment ++

Inquisitor: Incinerator, Nemesis Daemon Hammer, Ordo Xenos
Psyker: Xenos - Psychic Veil

6x Acolyte: Combi-flamer, Needle Pistol, Ordo Xenos
6x Acolyte: Combi-flamer, Needle Pistol, Ordo Xenos
6x Acolyte: Combi-flamer, Needle Pistol, Ordo Xenos

Inquisition Land Raider Prometheus: Ordo Xenos, 2x Quad Heavy Bolters

++ Vanguard Detachment ++

Inquisitor: Incinerator, Nemesis Daemon Hammer, Ordo p Psyker: Xenos - Psychic Veil

3x Jokaero Weaponsmith: Jokaero Weapons, Ordo Xenos

Inquisition Land Raider Prometheus: Ordo Xenos, 2x Quad Heavy Bolters

++ Total: [96 PL, 1,697pts] ++

Each Promethium gets 6 Alcolytes, a Daemonhost, a Jokaero, and either an HQ.

Haul forward, unload, shoot things.

Wasn't too sure how to rework it to hit 1750 for the upper limit, since I know it can't hit 2000.

The new Inquisition is, overall, a disappointment. No DCA, no Crusaders, no fun grenades. Jokaeros are a single model unit, although they are only 18pts.

However, you can slot a single Inquisitor into your list and it doesn’t break CT or battle-forged.
For 1CP, after an enemy Character is destroyed within 3” of your Inquisition unit, gain d3 CP, and all enemy Ld is -1 for the remainder of the battle.
You can also spend 1CP pre-game to give that Inquisitor a WL trait (if he isn’t your WL) and a relic (if he isn’t a named character already).
Coteaz is 90pts, his trait is, “Know and cast an extra power; deny an extra time.” He can base cast 2 deny 1. His special ability is “One time, make an opponent’s strat cost an additional CP, or else it can’t be played.” He gets reroll hits and wounds against CHAOS and DAEMON. For 1CP, he can give another unit reroll hits of 1 against those targets.
Eisenhorn+Daemonhost is 105pts, his trait is, “Once per round, reroll one of the following: hit, wound, damage, save, Psychic, or DtW.” He can cast 2 deny 2. His summoned Daemonhost is S6 T6 W6 A5 Character. When next to Eisenhorn, it gets WS3+ and 4++.

So which one would you take? The Daemonhost looks like a nice little midfield hunter, although it couldn’t do much against anything serious. Coteaz’s Spy Network ability could really mess up an opponent’s plan for his final two CP (now that Interrupt costs 3, and oh bummer you don’t have enough.)

Probably added into a PA book the way Ynarri was? Did Ynarri change at all between WD and PA?

I feel like the Inquisition isn't totally relegated to soup armies.

Lots of games happen between 500 and 1750. But since people on Dakka seem to ignore games of that size (or thet folks might be using Pl, and Narritive rules, like Battle Honours, which can do a lot to even things out), I guess I'll just back out of here then.

Oh, do I need to pay for the Daemonhost thet Eisenhorn can 'summon', or is it part of his cost already?

The prometheus, despite being outdated and overcosted, is pretty ugly with things like Coteaz and psychic pursuit (or a xenos inquisitor and psychic veil, or even minoris for character sniping). Optionally jam a monkey up behind it and take 24 S5 AP-1 shots at everything that enters play and any character that you choose.

Going to get hit with the force of a thousand nerf hammers in the next update though.

 Blndmage wrote:
Oh, do I need to pay for the Daemonhost thet Eisenhorn can 'summon', or is it part of his cost already?

You have to keep back enough points to summon it.

I have my own built Ordo Xenos Inquisitor with Needle Pistol and Xenophase blade (that Deathwatch get). Plan to use it as a Force Sword with the 2+ to wound relic (except it's Xeno tech, not poison in my eyes). Pistol wounds on 2's, sword wounds on 2s, all good.

A.T. wrote:
Optionally jam a monkey up behind it and take 24 S5 AP-1 shots at everything that enters play and any character that you choose.

I'm not sure I see what the Jokaero does to help here. If I'm running Ordo Xenis, unless I'm fighting Imperium, Chaos, or Unaligned forces, the monkey makes no impact on the tank.

 Blndmage wrote:
I'm not sure I see what the Jokaero does to help here. If I'm running Ordo Xenis, unless I'm fighting Imperium, Chaos, or Unaligned forces, the monkey makes no impact on the tank.

The jokaero special ability is not tied to any particular type of target - it just grants unconditional rerolls to hit and/or wound to the landraider in the shooting phase.

 Blndmage wrote:

I'm not sure I see what the Jokaero does to help here. If I'm running Ordo Xenis, unless I'm fighting Imperium, Chaos, or Unaligned forces, the monkey makes no impact on the tank.

The WD monkey imparts a hits and/or wounds reroll to an <ORDO> unit within 3". It doesnt require Quarry compatibility with the target.

I totally get that, but if my most common matchups are against Xenos forces, I don't really need the monkeys, right?

I guess they'd be more of an insurance policy in case I DO face off against Imperium/Chaos/Unaligned forces?

 Blndmage wrote:
I totally get that, but if my most common matchups are against Xenos forces, I don't really need the monkeys, right?

I guess they'd be more of an insurance policy in case I DO face off against Imperium/Chaos/Unaligned forces?

Id say thats an accurate assessment. Its also a Character model you can plonk on an objective if you dont need it for the fire support tinkering.

The monkey gives full re-rolls while IIRC the Ordo Xenos gets only RR1s

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
The monkey gives full re-rolls while IIRC the Ordo Xenos gets only RR1s

Quarry was boosted to full rerolls, both hit and wound, for all ordos against their favored enemy.

Sterling191 wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
The monkey gives full re-rolls while IIRC the Ordo Xenos gets only RR1s

Quarry was boosted to full rerolls, both hit and wound, for all ordos against their favored enemy.

Ah, okay. In the index it was full re-rolls for everyone not Xenos, but Xenos got RR1s against more things

Sterling191 wrote:

 Blndmage wrote:

I'm not sure I see what the Jokaero does to help here. If I'm running Ordo Xenis, unless I'm fighting Imperium, Chaos, or Unaligned forces, the monkey makes no impact on the tank.

The WD monkey imparts a hits and/or wounds reroll to an <ORDO> unit within 3". It doesnt require Quarry compatibility with the target.

The monkeys are great on their own. 3 monkeys buffing themselves standing behind your screen are flexible points efficient shooters not game breaking but a reasonable choice