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2019/11/25 22:28:20
Subject: The Nu-Marine are/aren't broken Megathread!
Argive wrote: just make it stop... somebody.. anybody.. That's enough.. we get... we will buy some marines... just stop already..
The feth we will.
"C'mon man.. just stop it...I will comply... *he says through his battered and bruised face spitting blood* .. I gte it.. its enough... stop now.. you win"
I imagine an avatar of angry marine (Representing GW) kicking the bejeezus out of a grunt guardsman "to get back in line. Your views don't matter NPC character #24!!!! Grrrrr" representing the large porion of non marine compliant hobbyistst.
I don't get it, I would gladly buy 3 boxes of the new CSM if they made them not terrible but GW refuses to do it
The point was a tongue in cheek joke A dig at GW where its a mantra of "Buy and play marines or GTFO !!!" As the last xx months of models release and rules updates seem to have made painfully clear.
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AngryAngel80 wrote: I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
Argive wrote: just make it stop... somebody.. anybody.. That's enough.. we get... we will buy some marines... just stop already..
The feth we will.
"C'mon man.. just stop it...I will comply... *he says through his battered and bruised face spitting blood* .. I gte it.. its enough... stop now.. you win"
I imagine an avatar of angry marine (Representing GW) kicking the bejeezus out of a grunt guardsman "to get back in line. Your views don't matter NPC character #24!!!! Grrrrr" representing the large porion of non marine compliant hobbyistst.
I don't get it, I would gladly buy 3 boxes of the new CSM if they made them not terrible but GW refuses to do it
The new csm are okay, well except you only get 8 standard equipments.
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
2019/11/25 22:48:05
Subject: The Nu-Marine are/aren't broken Megathread!
Argive wrote: just make it stop... somebody.. anybody.. That's enough.. we get... we will buy some marines... just stop already..
The feth we will.
"C'mon man.. just stop it...I will comply... *he says through his battered and bruised face spitting blood* .. I gte it.. its enough... stop now.. you win"
I imagine an avatar of angry marine (Representing GW) kicking the bejeezus out of a grunt guardsman "to get back in line. Your views don't matter NPC character #24!!!! Grrrrr" representing the large porion of non marine compliant hobbyistst.
I don't get it, I would gladly buy 3 boxes of the new CSM if they made them not terrible but GW refuses to do it
The new csm are okay, well except you only get 8 standard equipments.
That's a hell of a lot better than the chaos terminators.
2019/11/25 22:49:08
Subject: The Nu-Marine are/aren't broken Megathread!
We'd use unbalanced instead but that would just add 2 pages of the usual "perfect balance is impossible so having a horrible game is fine" arguments.
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2019/11/26 06:13:50
Subject: The Nu-Marine are/aren't broken Megathread!
Argive wrote: just make it stop... somebody.. anybody.. That's enough.. we get... we will buy some marines... just stop already..
The feth we will.
"C'mon man.. just stop it...I will comply... *he says through his battered and bruised face spitting blood* .. I gte it.. its enough... stop now.. you win"
I imagine an avatar of angry marine (Representing GW) kicking the bejeezus out of a grunt guardsman "to get back in line. Your views don't matter NPC character #24!!!! Grrrrr" representing the large porion of non marine compliant hobbyistst.
I don't get it, I would gladly buy 3 boxes of the new CSM if they made them not terrible but GW refuses to do it
11 pt CSM are going to be quite good with the 3 bonus CP trait, Heretic Astartes have a lot of cool new Stratagems you'll want to power up and CSM do it relatively efficiently. The cheaper DPs are going to be amazing, running double Bat with 6x5 CSM, 3 Flying DPs and 1 Discolord for 16 CP is going to power anything you'd ever want to throw in that last Detachment. Three Berzerker Terminator Squads? Two EC Discolords on drugs? A Possessed Character, Specialist Detachment, bonus WL trait and 4 Relics?
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2019/11/26 06:36:32
Subject: The Nu-Marine are/aren't broken Megathread!
Argive wrote: just make it stop... somebody.. anybody.. That's enough.. we get... we will buy some marines... just stop already..
The feth we will.
"C'mon man.. just stop it...I will comply... *he says through his battered and bruised face spitting blood* .. I gte it.. its enough... stop now.. you win"
I imagine an avatar of angry marine (Representing GW) kicking the bejeezus out of a grunt guardsman "to get back in line. Your views don't matter NPC character #24!!!! Grrrrr" representing the large porion of non marine compliant hobbyistst.
I don't get it, I would gladly buy 3 boxes of the new CSM if they made them not terrible but GW refuses to do it
11 pt CSM are going to be quite good with the 3 bonus CP trait, Heretic Astartes have a lot of cool new Stratagems you'll want to power up and CSM do it relatively efficiently. The cheaper DPs are going to be amazing, running double Bat with 6x5 CSM, 3 Flying DPs and 1 Discolord for 16 CP is going to power anything you'd ever want to throw in that last Detachment. Three Berzerker Terminator Squads? Two EC Discolords on drugs? A Possessed Character, Specialist Detachment, bonus WL trait and 4 Relics?
de rien, you are never getting 3 red butcher squads.
Bonus wl is also just for AL , so no.....
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
2019/11/26 06:39:10
Subject: The Nu-Marine are/aren't broken Megathread!
Argive wrote: just make it stop... somebody.. anybody.. That's enough.. we get... we will buy some marines... just stop already..
The feth we will.
"C'mon man.. just stop it...I will comply... *he says through his battered and bruised face spitting blood* .. I gte it.. its enough... stop now.. you win"
I imagine an avatar of angry marine (Representing GW) kicking the bejeezus out of a grunt guardsman "to get back in line. Your views don't matter NPC character #24!!!! Grrrrr" representing the large porion of non marine compliant hobbyistst.
I don't get it, I would gladly buy 3 boxes of the new CSM if they made them not terrible but GW refuses to do it
11 pt CSM are going to be quite good with the 3 bonus CP trait, Heretic Astartes have a lot of cool new Stratagems you'll want to power up and CSM do it relatively efficiently. The cheaper DPs are going to be amazing, running double Bat with 6x5 CSM, 3 Flying DPs and 1 Discolord for 16 CP is going to power anything you'd ever want to throw in that last Detachment. Three Berzerker Terminator Squads? Two EC Discolords on drugs? A Possessed Character, Specialist Detachment, bonus WL trait and 4 Relics?
Die, you are never getting 3 red butcher squads. Bonus wl is also just for AL , so no.....
You can get a bonus WL trait if you are running a Specialist Detachment, like the Possessed Specialist Detachment. Fair enough on not being able to get 3 units of Red Butchers, guess you can just run a Battalion for extra CP and spend 5 CP to buff a Zerker unit each turn. Also, stop being a git.
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2019/11/26 07:24:39
Subject: The Nu-Marine are/aren't broken Megathread!
Everything is relative, SM stop being broken if every faction is broken. I think lists using CSM squads will be able to compete if CSM don't get nerfs and SM don't get meaningful buffs. SM pay 255 for the Troops in a 5 CP Battalion, Heretic Astartes pay 165 for 8 CP. You have add HQs on top but I have some hope that SM will be relatively much less broken soon.
2019/11/26 07:48:06
Subject: The Nu-Marine are/aren't broken Megathread!
Everything is relative, SM stop being broken if every faction is broken. I think lists using CSM squads will be able to compete if CSM don't get nerfs and SM don't get meaningful buffs. SM pay 255 for the Troops in a 5 CP Battalion, Heretic Astartes pay 165 for 8 CP. You have add HQs on top but I have some hope that SM will be relatively much less broken soon.
This discussion is around marines of a loyalist flavour. I don't mind comparisons between units but the last few posts (basically this page) have simply been discussions of CSM units and nothing more. Its off topic and doesn't belong here.
End it.
2019/11/26 07:51:19
Subject: The Nu-Marine are/aren't broken Megathread!
Argive wrote: just make it stop... somebody.. anybody.. That's enough.. we get... we will buy some marines... just stop already..
The feth we will.
"C'mon man.. just stop it...I will comply... *he says through his battered and bruised face spitting blood* .. I gte it.. its enough... stop now.. you win"
I imagine an avatar of angry marine (Representing GW) kicking the bejeezus out of a grunt guardsman "to get back in line. Your views don't matter NPC character #24!!!! Grrrrr" representing the large porion of non marine compliant hobbyistst.
I don't get it, I would gladly buy 3 boxes of the new CSM if they made them not terrible but GW refuses to do it
11 pt CSM are going to be quite good with the 3 bonus CP trait, Heretic Astartes have a lot of cool new Stratagems you'll want to power up and CSM do it relatively efficiently. The cheaper DPs are going to be amazing, running double Bat with 6x5 CSM, 3 Flying DPs and 1 Discolord for 16 CP is going to power anything you'd ever want to throw in that last Detachment. Three Berzerker Terminator Squads? Two EC Discolords on drugs? A Possessed Character, Specialist Detachment, bonus WL trait and 4 Relics?
Die, you are never getting 3 red butcher squads.
Bonus wl is also just for AL , so no.....
You can get a bonus WL trait if you are running a Specialist Detachment, like the Possessed Specialist Detachment. Fair enough on not being able to get 3 units of Red Butchers, guess you can just run a Battalion for extra CP and spend 5 CP to buff a Zerker unit each turn. Also, stop being a git.
Scuse me, just realized my autocorrect, fethed up.
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
2019/11/26 09:21:32
Subject: The Nu-Marine are/aren't broken Megathread!
Everything is relative, SM stop being broken if every faction is broken. I think lists using CSM squads will be able to compete if CSM don't get nerfs and SM don't get meaningful buffs. SM pay 255 for the Troops in a 5 CP Battalion, Heretic Astartes pay 165 for 8 CP. You have add HQs on top but I have some hope that SM will be relatively much less broken soon.
those points of troops on the C:SM side actually can do a hell of a lot more for their points than the chaos side.
I really wanted CSM troops to gain traits to help give them strength where needed and their own doctrine type bonus, maybe not the exact same way but something to give them extra oomph. I love my CSM, have done since 4th ed but they're just not fun to play right now. My beloved CSM are inferior to tacticals/primaris (Im so used to having bolt gun + bp/chainsword as standard).
Even with the recent reveal of 11 pt CSM vs tactical 12 and Intercessors at 17... Well we still fall FAR short since loyalists get it all for taking their choices, if we take the CR for +3 cp we lose access to our best strat, veterans of the long war. It's give and take for us chaos space marine lads, and loyalists have all of it and the kitchen sink.
2019/11/26 09:24:00
Subject: The Nu-Marine are/aren't broken Megathread!
Everything is relative, SM stop being broken if every faction is broken. I think lists using CSM squads will be able to compete if CSM don't get nerfs and SM don't get meaningful buffs. SM pay 255 for the Troops in a 5 CP Battalion, Heretic Astartes pay 165 for 8 CP. You have add HQs on top but I have some hope that SM will be relatively much less broken soon.
those points of troops on the C:SM side actually can do a hell of a lot more for their points than the chaos side.
I really wanted CSM troops to gain traits to help give them strength where needed and their own doctrine type bonus, maybe not the exact same way but something to give them extra oomph. I love my CSM, have done since 4th ed but they're just not fun to play right now. My beloved CSM are inferior to tacticals/primaris (Im so used to having bolt gun + bp/chainsword as standard).
Even with the recent reveal of 11 pt CSM vs tactical 12 and Intercessors at 17... Well we still fall FAR short since loyalists get it all for taking their choices, if we take the CR for +3 cp we lose access to our best strat, veterans of the long war. It's give and take for us chaos space marine lads, and loyalists have all of it and the kitchen sink.
Not to mention, that mark locked bands and legions inherently are NOT picked if they have not access to slaanesh, beyond purge, which only get allied in really. (also because the purge trait is nuts)
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
2019/11/26 09:34:53
Subject: The Nu-Marine are/aren't broken Megathread!
The point was a tongue in cheek joke
A dig at GW where its a mantra of "Buy and play marines or GTFO !!!" As the last xx months of models release and rules updates seem to have made painfully clear.
How is it different from l2p or use more terrain eldar players were using at marine players when marines were a mid to bad army?
If you have to kill, then kill in the best manner. If you slaughter, then slaughter in the best manner. Let one of you sharpen his knife so his animal feels no pain.
2019/11/26 10:38:32
Subject: The Nu-Marine are/aren't broken Megathread!
The Heavy Weapon level AP (doctrines) and additional trait/super doctrine buff have been in place since the new year. Huh. Odd.
Except that isn't what some people have been referencing. Feel free to read up.
I don't know what you're referring to. The closest thing I could find was a post detailing how all the excessive buffs given to marines make PEQ dominant at owning the mid table and stating that even if reverted would still hold a slight edge.
Your statement that they exist now as they did 11 months ago remains absurd.
That wasn't my statement. It was that people are representing Intercessors as somehow being wildly better, but their points are all things that existed in January. Here you go:
Dark Angel having units of 5 intercessors in cover everywhere natively rerolling 1's popping out 2 shoots a piece at 30" feels really, really great.
Saying they are merely ok in shooting is false, shooting two AP-2 shots at 30" is great for 17 pts.
The 30" guns weren't a problem when they were 7 pts more than a Tactical Squad, now they are only 5 pts more and they are busted
30" guns on standard infantry break the meta for mid-range shooting
Primaris have been two 30" shots at 17 points since January. Adding reroll 1s or exploding hits didn't suddenly make them murder machines especially given that devastator doctrine isn't benefiting Intercessors other than Stalkers and the chapters that like Stalkers aren't switching to Tactical.
My problem / concern is that people are suddenly paying attention to marines, but wind up muddying the discussion about where the problems lie.
"Ok can I have exploding hits on my basic infantry too please ? Or auto wound if hit scored? Or AP-2 guns if I choose to ? Or make them all snipers with re-roll everything? Or a myriad of other combinations of traits, startegems and relics to fill a nieche in my list so that there is no downside to playing my faction?" Sincerly, All NPC players around the world. Thanks.
What in the Marine Codex autowounds on hits?
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2019/11/26 10:51:25
Subject: The Nu-Marine are/aren't broken Megathread!
probably the 6+ autowound mortal shenanigans that run arround rampant.
Off which many are not JUST marine things. (Daemonweapons f.e.Sniperrifles of all coulerus, the Salamander flamer shenanigans, that got FAQed, etc.)
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
2019/11/26 11:27:42
Subject: The Nu-Marine are/aren't broken Megathread!
bananathug wrote: What exactly are people seeing in the BAPA that is so upsetting?
Litanies will boost the power of BA for sure. Just getting those will bring BA up in power significantly but no where near where nu-marines are as far as I can tell.
+1 attack on the charge isn't powerful if you have to wait until t3 to do it and without a way to get units into melee who cares. Without a bunch of new strats (deepstrike, advance and charge, something like trans-human, something to protect the dreads), an ability to skip to assault doctrine and reduction on costs of existing strats (pre-game move, 3d6 charge are done cheaper by vanilla) BA are still SM -1 (which probably is a good thing given how broken SM are).
BA suffer from trying to turn a shooting army into a melee army. Without dedicated primaris CQC units (which will be broken as all get out) I think BA will get a mild boost but without something a lot more broken than what has been previewed I don't see what the worries are.
This book is looking just like a supplement. So how do we know they won't get access to the c:sm strategems? We already know they're getting vanguard marines.
In fact, we know they will. In the preview they show they're giving BA their own version of the Bolt Rifles stratagem, to show the superior training and precision of the new Intercessor Death Company
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
2019/11/26 15:33:06
Subject: The Nu-Marine are/aren't broken Megathread!
addnid wrote: BA seem broken as feth to me, and they are obscuring the skies for our beloved bugs. Feth off powered plot amour boys, we want some tyranid previews !
Hopefully we get some news on Nids today, I am hoping the changes are good.
Blood for the bloo... wait no, I meant for Sanguinius!
2019/11/26 18:09:26
Subject: The Nu-Marine are/aren't broken Megathread!
addnid wrote: BA seem broken as feth to me, and they are obscuring the skies for our beloved bugs. Feth off powered plot amour boys, we want some tyranid previews !
They're far from broken. Nids should still be able to handle them given the BA's poor chapter tactic.
2019/11/26 18:17:05
Subject: The Nu-Marine are/aren't broken Megathread!
The point was a tongue in cheek joke
A dig at GW where its a mantra of "Buy and play marines or GTFO !!!" As the last xx months of models release and rules updates seem to have made painfully clear.
How is it different from l2p or use more terrain eldar players were using at marine players when marines were a mid to bad army?
The difference is that now it comes from the company producing the game instead of the playerbase.
Also, eldars get a bad reputation because they had ynnari and now airwing spam, take away these and you'll see quick enough that elfs dont have busted codexes.
The problem with the new marines is that they get so many free rules that basically all their units become undercosted.
Also, most people wanted marines to get a new codex to prop them up to the level of the more recent one, the problem is that GW fethed up and went all-in on marines, effectively creating a tier 0 army whose only counter is ... more marines.
2019/11/26 18:17:51
Subject: The Nu-Marine are/aren't broken Megathread!
addnid wrote: BA seem broken as feth to me, and they are obscuring the skies for our beloved bugs. Feth off powered plot amour boys, we want some tyranid previews !
They're far from broken. Nids should still be able to handle them given the BA's poor chapter tactic.
Yeah because there's no way gw will give ba a stratagem to skip to the assault doctrine.
Not to mention the fact that they're now "compliant " and will probably get access to most if not all the c:sm stuff.
2019/11/26 18:18:32
Subject: The Nu-Marine are/aren't broken Megathread!
addnid wrote: BA seem broken as feth to me, and they are obscuring the skies for our beloved bugs. Feth off powered plot amour boys, we want some tyranid previews !
Hopefully we get some news on Nids today, I am hoping the changes are good.
probably not, today was all about marines again, we got some random army display of EC and BT, and yet another announcement on the start collectings. Tyranids can feth off, we'll learn about them after the book is out.
2019/11/26 18:22:22
Subject: The Nu-Marine are/aren't broken Megathread!
The point was a tongue in cheek joke
A dig at GW where its a mantra of "Buy and play marines or GTFO !!!" As the last xx months of models release and rules updates seem to have made painfully clear.
How is it different from l2p or use more terrain eldar players were using at marine players when marines were a mid to bad army?
Because it's a dig at GW's poster boys getting so much support. Eldar players have had similarly OP rules, but have never had Marine-level support.
Marines have always been, and probably always will be, GW's favored faction. This dig is about how much attention they got, not just how powerful their rules are.
CWE gets more attention than, say, Nids. But not notably more than most other factions. Only Marines have had this kind of attention.
And what's this fixation with "eldar players"? Am I missing scads of threads where self-professed Eldar messiahs are proclaiming that anyone but IG/Knights/CSM/Demons/1ksons/DG/Marines/CWE/DE/Harlies/Ynnari/Custodes/etc need to "L2P"? And why only Eldar and not IoM or Chaos?
2019/11/26 18:24:55
Subject: The Nu-Marine are/aren't broken Megathread!
addnid wrote: BA seem broken as feth to me, and they are obscuring the skies for our beloved bugs. Feth off powered plot amour boys, we want some tyranid previews !
They're far from broken. Nids should still be able to handle them given the BA's poor chapter tactic.
Yeah because there's no way gw will give ba a stratagem to skip to the assault doctrine.
Not to mention the fact that they're now "compliant " and will probably get access to most if not all the c:sm stuff.
Blood and Dark Angels are always noted as being mostly Codex Compliant in the actual Lore save for a few special bits and pieces (like pretty much every Chapter in the same Lore)
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Because it's a dig at GW's poster boys getting so much support. Eldar players have had similarly OP rules, but have never had Marine-level support.
Marines have always been, and probably always will be, GW's favored faction. This dig is about how much attention they got, not just how powerful their rules are.
CWE gets more attention than, say, Nids. But not notably more than most other factions. Only Marines have had this kind of attention.
And what's this fixation with "eldar players"? Am I missing scads of threads where self-professed Eldar messiahs are proclaiming that anyone but IG/Knights/CSM/Demons/1ksons/DG/Marines/CWE/DE/Harlies/Ynnari/Custodes/etc need to "L2P"? And why only Eldar and not IoM or Chaos?
Wait so all of the outrage is about the fact that eldar models are finecast and old? Why should eldar players be entitled to big model support, when they don't make the majority of players. I am in the wrestling club, I don't dislike it. But even not smart me, knows that expecting my club to have support the same as the football class or hand ball team would be odd.
And fixation comes from the fact that I don't see necron or tyranid players go on and on how new marine rules are the most evil thing in game, and how it destroys the game.
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