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To be honest as long as its the same price as last years CA I don't really cre if its split over two books. seems unnecessary and somewhat misguided but ok.

I would have preferred to just have the points that have changed in atable for my faction so I don't have to work out what went up/down to see if my lists are affected... At least it makes the job easier for whoever will be updating battle scribe.

Okay, so where are all the people saying CA isn't just points and is worth the value?

This is literally a scam! Glad I haven't given Gw a dime in over a year now

 fraser1191 wrote:
So are these 2 separate products?

I'll admit it kinda makes sense and I understand their thought process. Once you finish your list you don't half, or when you're list building you don't need the missions/extra content.

So that's my only concern I suppose. I think last year's CA was $40Cdn so as long as both books are in the same price range it's a non issue

No, it is a "bundle".


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 lolman1c wrote:
Okay, so where are all the people saying CA isn't just points and is worth the value?

This is literally a scam! Glad I haven't given Gw a dime in over a year now

It isn't just points. This is a bundle where the points are a separate book for ease of use.

KurtAngle2 wrote:
Tyranids
-Malanthrope down 10pts
-Haruspex down 10 pts
-hive tyrant down 5pts
-Hive guard up 2 pts

I thought i read a while ago that they were bringing all the FW rules in house, and that CA would cover the major adjustments from now on. If the Malanthrope is the only unit jto get a points reduction that is indeed hilarious, seeing as it's 1 of only 2 units that are actually fieldable (the other being Ripper Swarms). It's a real shame, the Dimachaeron is one of the coolest looking bugs in the game but it looks like hes going to continue to be a paperweight.

 lolman1c wrote:
Okay, so where are all the people saying CA isn't just points and is worth the value?

This is literally a scam! Glad I haven't given Gw a dime in over a year now

Hi. CA isn’t just points and I’ve found both the previous ones useful and fun. So, yeah, worth the value.

And now you get full points lists instead of having to remember multiple sources (til the Spring FAQ, obvs).

As both books are bundled together the points updates are still part of CA - just hived off into a separate booklet.

It’s almost like you reacted without reading the WHC link...

AoS did the exact same thing, with NO price change. Easy, guys.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:
The Field book is redundant if you take battlescribe or some similar tool.
We generally have one CA book in our gaming club. That's enough.

Lol, Battlescribe being enough. That's cute! Totally hasn't been a big factor in things like the Relic of Lost Cadia Primaris Psyker nonsense.




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SeanDrake wrote:
So what we thinking 25% or 50% price rise for what used to be free/included in wd.

Or 0.

General's Handbook switched to this format and stayed at the $35 price point.

Sort of. General's handbook has ALWAYS had ALL of the points for the game in it.


Thing you might not realize as non-AoS players though, some stuff will NOT be in the points list of CA which will likely mean it's no longer technically tournament legal.

Side Bar: Wouldn't worry too much about marine changes. If it's just stuff that's still crap and non- C:SM marines, it'll be fine. If it's stuff that's good in C:SM, they'll probably FAQ them out.

This is a god send for TOs doing points checks.

 lolman1c wrote:
Okay, so where are all the people saying CA isn't just points and is worth the value?

This is literally a scam! Glad I haven't given Gw a dime in over a year now

You should just stop playing 40k, that will really show them!

 vaklor4 wrote:
AoS did the exact same thing, with NO price change. Easy, guys.

GW confirmed no price change on FB.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 vaklor4 wrote:
AoS did the exact same thing, with NO price change. Easy, guys.

GW confirmed no price change on FB.

Fair enough. It will make Battle Scribers job a lot easier.
I wonder if they will overhaul some FW stuff.

Certainly improved format from previous. 2 years too late but better late than never With same price it's not even accompanied by price hike which is nice. Points can be at home where it's needed, scenarios can come along to games.

Took their time to figure out obvious but at least now the points come in format they should come if they don't come in free online pdf.

Since pre-orders are starting on Saturday, does that mean that we can expect to see the actual content on that day as well from people who got copies for review? Or was that a special situation with Faith & Fury?

a_typical_hero wrote:
Since pre-orders are starting on Saturday, does that mean that we can expect to see the actual content on that day as well from people who got copies for review? Or was that a special situation with Faith & Fury?

With it being two books, previews of the mission rules and stuff might well turn up. A lot easier to keep the points changes under wrap, though. Just don't hand those out for review.

KurtAngle2 wrote:
Tyranids
-Malanthrope down 10pts
-Haruspex down 10 pts
-hive tyrant down 5pts
-Hive guard up 2 pts

As a nid player, we need updated datasheets at this point, not just point drops. I'd rather have bigger, more impressive bugs than need to buy more bad ones (Especially since scale creep is getting too much)

Our MC's either need higher toughness, more wounds or both. We live in a game where you're expected to kill a knight a turn on average to have a chance, our T7/8 3+ non invun saves (barring the Tyrant who did get a 4++ and the MAelceptor which continues to be less existent than the Passenger Pigeon at this point) AND the only MC who had a 2+ armour save natively was the Tyrannofex which lost said save in the transition to 8th.

Our genestealers feel amazing to play, but as a hard core Nidzilla lover our MC's feel bad to play full stop, hell we actually struggle to kill T7/8 in close combat with our MC's, between awful WS, bad native strength and lack of strength adding melee weapons (CRushing claws makes everything hit on 5+ natively)

Aren't you guys getting half a codex of unit upgrades in the PA part 3 book? Maybe that will help.

Karol wrote:
Aren't you guys getting half a codex of unit upgrades in the PA part 3 book? Maybe that will help.

Hopefully! Honestly though, after seeing the other PA and being a CWE and CSM player I have 0 reason to be confident in the newest PA, although my BA playing friends are all super hyped so I'm glad for them!

I doubt PA3 will fix the issues nids have.

Karol wrote:
Aren't you guys getting half a codex of unit upgrades in the PA part 3 book? Maybe that will help.

I'm expecting nothing and will probably still be disappointed.

 Sim-Life wrote:

Karol wrote:
Aren't you guys getting half a codex of unit upgrades in the PA part 3 book? Maybe that will help.

I'm expecting nothing and will probably still be disappointed.

I find it's best to keep expectations low. when you expect nothing of substance then anything at all is a pleasent suprise!

KurtAngle2 wrote:
Tyranids
-Malanthrope down 10pts
-Haruspex down 10 pts
-hive tyrant down 5pts
-Hive guard up 2 pts

Chaos
-Discordant up in cost 15 pts
- CSM down 2 pts
- cult marines down 2 pts
- Cultists stay the same
- plaguebeaerers up 1 pt
- greater daemon cost reduction (including named)

Ad mech
- Disintegrator up 10 pts

Space Marines
- General point reduction

Guard
- tank commanders up 20 pts

Tau
- Riptides up 30 pts

Aeldari
- No major changes

GSC
- Aberrants down 1 pt
- Acolytes up 1 pt



Probably quitting for good if real, these are hilarious

Ittalian spies are the best spies CONFIRMED. Who the hell was James Bond ?

Anybody knows if Saturday will be the release or the pre-order?

 Emicrania wrote:
Anybody knows if Saturday will be the release or the pre-order?

pre-order. this week are POD inqusition stuff

 Emicrania wrote:
Anybody knows if Saturday will be the release or the pre-order?

It should be preorder.

new announcements are always next week's preorder. Never on release

So I never got around to getting CAs '17 or '18. This bundle package might be worth it though, so I may pick this up. Having ALL the points for ALL factions in one book is worth the price of admission for me.
It's actually something I've missed since the 5E codex had them all in the appendix

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KurtAngle2 wrote:
Tyranids
-Malanthrope down 10pts
-Haruspex down 10 pts
-hive tyrant down 5pts
-Hive guard up 2 pts

Chaos
-Discordant up in cost 15 pts
- CSM down 2 pts
- cult marines down 2 pts
- Cultists stay the same
- plaguebeaerers up 1 pt
- greater daemon cost reduction (including named)

Ad mech
- Disintegrator up 10 pts

Space Marines
- General point reduction

Guard
- tank commanders up 20 pts

Tau
- Riptides up 30 pts

Aeldari
- No major changes

GSC
- Aberrants down 1 pt
- Acolytes up 1 pt



Probably quitting for good if real, these are hilarious

I mean i can get behind 11 pts chaos marines.
I can also get behind 2pts lower cultmarines.

but general points reductions for marines? now'?

Also source?

Lots of units need reductions.
LR
Repulsor
Storm Raven
Terminators
drop pods
single las cannons
preditors

just to name a few. SM being OP is really overblown honestly - It is really just Ironhands and IF that are too strong. It's obvious why too. Super doctrines are absurd on them.

I think Games Workshop should prioritise buffs to under performing factions and not over performing factions to be fair. It would be all well and good if CA does justice to everyone, so we'll have to wait and see if this is actually the case, but I'm sceptical currently.

Having all the points in it is great. Til next week.

 Xenomancers wrote:

Lots of units need reductions.
LR
Repulsor
Storm Raven
Terminators
drop pods
single las cannons
preditors

just to name a few. SM being OP is really overblown honestly - It is really just Ironhands and IF that are too strong. It's obvious why too. Super doctrines are absurd on them.

Are you speaking from authority on these? Storm Raven, Drop Pods, and Repulsor might be a little of a bad idea, but the rest would be potentially welcome though I'd be leery about IH with cheap quad las preds.

If these changes are true then it begs the question as to why they weren't in the codex proper and just how late did they send this to print? Unless they had changes in mind that didn't make the printing for the codex?

KurtAngle2 wrote:
Tyranids
-Malanthrope down 10pts
-Haruspex down 10 pts
-hive tyrant down 5pts
-Hive guard up 2 pts

Chaos
-Discordant up in cost 15 pts
- CSM down 2 pts
- cult marines down 2 pts
- Cultists stay the same
- plaguebeaerers up 1 pt
- greater daemon cost reduction (including named)

Ad mech
- Disintegrator up 10 pts

Space Marines
- General point reduction

Guard
- tank commanders up 20 pts

Tau
- Riptides up 30 pts

Aeldari
- No major changes

GSC
- Aberrants down 1 pt
- Acolytes up 1 pt



Probably quitting for good if real, these are hilarious

All the French rumors are fake.