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The Ornithopters might be more famously from Dune, but they're also portrayed that way in the John Carter film (not sure if they are ornithopters in the books, but these are books that were written less than 10 years after the Wright Brother's first flight).
Also Mar's atmosphere is too thin for Terran planes and helicopters to work, you'd need much bigger wings or to flap.
A lot of the weird grab bag of references that have gone into the AdMech are then pilfering anything that that's got a Martian link. I'd be amazed if the Dunecrawlers didn't start as Tripods, and the Rad-trooper/radium gun vanguard is also from the John Carter books.
The Triumph had to be on a single base for the cherubs to work, that way the spindly bits can link together to form a more stable base for the tall stuff. If you wanted individual models then you'd lose the cherubs, so nothing is really stopping you from rebasing it.
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Also, where the flipping heck are Fulgrim and Angron?
Angron is lost, too angry to read directions to get to any of the warzones
Fulgrim is just being fashionably late
im ready though for next book to be a full dark angels codex and thousand sons get 3 new strategems and a new relic. Somehow the Tau "greater good" one will be a codex for Lamenters with no tau rules in it /s
My EC army is desperate to get fulgrim and some new noise marines, but the PA stuff has made me reconsider that we are getting stuff soon, I dont expect EC now until maybe 2021
H.B.M.C. wrote: I like the idea that the AdMech make normal stuff for everyone else, but for their own forces, they like to show off and have things that shouldn't work but because of AdMech magitech it does. That's why they have perpetual motion walkers, spider-tanks, hovercraft and ornithopters.
Yup.
Ad-Mech armies are about them showing off, and possibly using the most venerable tech and efficiency be damned.
Possibly akin to technological Amish? They do things “the old way” because they believe it pleases the Omnissiah?
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Wasn't expecting 3 more books of nothing, especially not Sons vs Dark Angels, or Tau vs ??.
And -a- character model for each. Woo. Who knew the eldar one would be the pack leader when it came to content? And I've made myself sad now.
Sisters release is unsurprising, but I don't think many have noticed that the impractical Triumph and maybe some other things are 'early next year' and the repentia are 'sometime' next year. So at least two sisters waves dribbled out over 2020.
First thought on the ad mech was the game doesn't need more flyers, second was that an ornithopter gets a pass.
And... Mephy taking up reveal space, not a surprise.
All told, not much here, and no real surprise that there isn't. Psychic Awakening seems a desperate attempt to fill a lull.
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The flier is gorgeous and makes me want to start a new army... but I'll admit to being a bit disappointed. No Titanicus sneak peek? No 'next wave' Aeronautica? No Blackstone Fortress? C'mon GW.....
WHCommunity wrote:Each book will be accompanied by an epic champion to lead the charge in this terrible age. These legendary heroes will include reborn, reimagined and brand-new characters, but we can’t reveal any more details at the moment.
Azrael for DA? I doubt TS will get anything, CSM have just had a new Sorcerer model and there's not much more design room for them given they have Magnus.
Tau vs who? And who will be reimagined? Farsight is new(ish) isn't he? Shadowsun perhaps? She's still resin, right?
SW vs Orks must be the last one. As we practically know for a fact that Ragnar is getting re-done, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that Orks get no new models.
Maybe Tau vs AdMech, given the new flier, but it would break the pattern so far of just the odd character and redone units. That said, GW doesn’t often stick to patterns.
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JBSchroeds wrote: That flier is an Ornithopter ripped straight out of DUNE. I love it.
Exactly my first thought. Love this retro-futuristic weirdness.
For those of you talking about 80s sci-fi, sorry but you're way off - this is Amazing Stories 1930s style from the first golden age of sci-fi. It's what inspired Frank Herbert when he wrote Dune back in the 60s.
Also, I'm definitely getting a Triumph, great model, very grimdark gothic, just like 40k should be IMO.
I don't like the flyer at all, looks far too animalistic. It would really clashes with the current Admech line. Maybe if you they took a Valkyrie swapped the cockpit for the new one and added all the new weapons in roughly the same places I think you would have a much better looking model.
Might be worth the conversion for those that don't like the new model (like me).
So the wings, tail and engines of the Valkyrie with the body for the new flyer and I think you have something that would look much better.
Oh and leave off the legs.
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The flyer is a perfect example of why I haven't played 40k in ages. Everything is starting to look like a legit toy. I can visualize some 90s commercial with kids going wowwwww and pushing little buttons on it to fire missiles.
I don't understand how forgeworld can feel so gritty and "real" and GW is all bling and.... I'd not know the term... the details feel too thick and childish.
The sisters have been solid overall, but it seems like every other design is a complete flop.
gossipmeng wrote: The flyer is a perfect example of why I haven't played 40k in ages. Everything is starting to look like a legit toy. I can visualize some 90s commercial with kids going wowwwww and pushing little buttons on it to fire missiles.
I don't understand how forgeworld can feel so gritty and "real" and GW is all bling and.... I'd not know the term... the details feel too thick and childish.
The sisters have been solid overall, but it seems like every other design is a complete flop.
Forge World's designers don't design for literal children, which I think is a part of it.
I honestly think this model summarises everything wrong with a lot of new 40k kits, and in general the style of a majority of the new models is a result of CAD design.
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The biggest indicator someone is a loser is them complaining about 3d printers or piracy.
Wow the gatekeeping is strong with this ones. Everything looks like a toy... yeah because before it didn't...
FW has always had the more "grounded" look thats right but to say that theres a toyfication of the warhammer models is just disingenuous. You just need to look at models of 15-20 years ago to find a ton of extremely cartoony stuff that looked like toys.
Is absolutely fine to dislike something. But to call it toys, or worse, to say they are designed for children, is just insulting for the people that like those designs, marking them with an absolutely subjetive and just wrong label to point them as inferior products to the ones that you happen to like.
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
gossipmeng wrote: The flyer is a perfect example of why I haven't played 40k in ages. Everything is starting to look like a legit toy. I can visualize some 90s commercial with kids going wowwwww and pushing little buttons on it to fire missiles.
I don't understand how forgeworld can feel so gritty and "real" and GW is all bling and.... I'd not know the term... the details feel too thick and childish.
The sisters have been solid overall, but it seems like every other design is a complete flop.
Starting? It began with the Tau flyers with popup missiles and the Ad Mech walkers with the same.
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If you break apart my or anyone else's posts line by line I will not read them.
Is absolutely fine to dislike something. But to call it toys, or worse, to say they are designed for children, is just insulting for the people that like those designs
I didn't say it was wrong for people to like things made for children. I just think it looks like it was aimed at children.
I don't know how that's 'gatekeeping either' but whatever.
marking them with an absolutely subjetive and just wrong label to point them as inferior products to the ones that you happen to like.
How is it wrong to say something looks inferior? It's a subjective discussion, and subjectively I think it looks inferior. It just sounds like you're trying to find ways to shutdown people criticising it.
MonkeyBallistic wrote: Oh lordy ... the 40k is for children but my FW is for grown up crowd is here to tell us how superior they are.
I own three Forge World models. I didn't say I was superior, I said the quality of their design was superior.
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The biggest indicator someone is a loser is them complaining about 3d printers or piracy.
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
Saying GW is designed for children and FW for adults is literal gatekeeping.
Besides that, as I said, 40k has always been extremely cartoony with crazy designs and miniatures. There hasn't been a change in the artistic direction in the 30-35 years of history of the game. A Primaris Marine is no different than a tactical from Space Crusade. They aren't more toys or G-joe, they are basically the same idea made with different levels of technology.
The samething applies to everything else. You have all the crazy models, all the more grounded models, blinged models (Eliminators are tacticool but SM Scout Snipers are not for some reason), simple ones, and more complex ones.
This is like all the "They are making Slaanesh PG+7" because now they don't show nipples except you have the beast of slaanesh showing not only nipples but a tail that is basically a giant penis.
Chaos Dinobots are not toys, or at least, not more than many models before them. And this flyer is not shaped like a toy, or at least not more than any other model. I dispute the label of "toy-like" as nothing more than an attempt to put a moral value of inferiority. And I don't think I need to quote C.S. Lewis.
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
Galas wrote: Saying GW is designed for children and FW for adults is literal gatekeeping.
I mean it's not wrong. I wouldn't give children most Forge World products due to the nature of the kits (which isn't all that spectacular).
Besides that, as I said, 40k has always been extremely cartoony with crazy designs and miniatures. There hasn't been a change in the artistic direction in the 30-35 years of history of the game. A Primaris Marine is no different than a tactical from Space Crusade. They aren't more toys or G-joe, they are basically the same idea made with different levels of technology.
I would argue that around 4-5th there was a fairly distinct aesthetic that moved away from the sort of cartoony style of earlier editions. This aesthetic sort of disappeared with 6th, and in 7th and 8th we see a lot of designs which directly reference their Rogue Trader/2nd era concept art and figures - i.e., the Rubric Marines and Plague Marines
The samething applies to everything else. You have all the crazy models, all the more grounded models, blinged models (Eliminators are tacticool but SM Scout Snipers are not for some reason), simple ones, and more complex ones.
'Crazy' is a sort of meaningless term in 40k - the basic concept of the Space Marine is crazy.
This is like all the "They are making Slaanesh PG+7" because now they don't show nipples except you have the beast of slaanesh showing not only nipples but a tail that is basically a giant penis.
It's very clear they toned down the Slaanesh figures in lot of ways, but this isn't really relevant to the discussion.
'It looks like a toy' is favourite phrase of people who are unable to articulate their criticism intelligently. First of, they literally are toys. Secondly it gets thrown around without rhyme or reason. Primaris marines are too 'modern' not gothic enough, are bigger with more natural proportions -> ''Looks like a toy.' Ad Mech flyer baroque and weird, not 'realistic' enough -> ''Looks like a toy.'
Greater Good: Meh, not much from this. I hate Tau, so not expecting anything I care for to come out of this unless it's where we get the Admech rules or some Custodes stuff slips in. (Or more IG stuff could be neat... ditto Necrons!)
Saga: Come on Russ AND Prime Gaz!
Realistically, I'm expecting a newly Primaris character from each. I've reached the point I don't think GW intends to do any more Primarchs.
I think it's great that people love and hate the new models, diversity is great. Looking like a toy is pretty much how it's always been, not sure what's changed.
Okay, the animation thing actually looks more intriguing than I expected. There of course were clunky 3D marines shouting banalities with booming voices, but there were also things that looked genuinely interesting.
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