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Galas wrote: Wow the gatekeeping is strong with this ones.
Gatekeeping is not a universal bad. But in this case, it isn't even gatekeeping. It's just someone sharing his opinion on some models. The fact that you feel this trivializes your appreciation of those models doesn't make it gatekeeping. Gatekeeping is excluding others - not saying they think the design sensibility of a particular model targets a specific demographic of which he does not belong. He said the look wasn't for him, not that anybody who likes the look should be exiled from the 40k community. If anything, he is lamenting that he, himself, doesn't belong.
Crimson wrote: Okay, the animation thing actually looks more intriguing than I expected. There of course were clunky 3D marines shouting banalities with booming voices, but there were also things that looked genuinely interesting.
Very weird mix of styles.
The kids one is very '80s-inspired' 2000s style American cartoon, something in there was anime copypasta (specifically a ghost in the shell knockoff), and the Blood Angel thing is purely soulless CGI with, as you say, lots of banalities.
Somehow I suspect the kids one is going to be the deepest one, with themes beyond shouting grimderp slogans.
Crimson wrote: Okay, the animation thing actually looks more intriguing than I expected. There of course were clunky 3D marines shouting banalities with booming voices, but there were also things that looked genuinely interesting.
Very weird mix of styles.
The kids one is very '80s-inspired' 2000s style American cartoon, something in there was anime copypasta (specifically a ghost in the shell knockoff), and the Blood Angel thing is purely soulless CGI with, as you say, lots of banalities.
Somehow I suspect the kids one is going to be the deepest one, with themes beyond shouting grimderp slogans.
Glad I'm not the one person who feels like this. I just couldn't get excited for the animation at all. It's the same awkward, clunky Marines shooting through hordes of X without any sense of threat interspersed with the occasional human looking in awe/frightened. Meanwhile this will no doubt get tens of thousands of "OMG THIS IS SO EPIC, BLAM THE HERETICS, GLLORRRIIOOUUSSS!" whilst I'm sat here hoping (and doubting) the Eisenhorn series might come to fruition so we can see something beyond bolter porn.
Worth mentioning that this caveat was given with regards to the animation:
Warhammer Community wrote:Some of this you may have already seen. Some are early proofs of concept, or “what if?” material, the team has been playing around with. Others may be released as fully realised animated series. As to which of the animations falls into which camp, stay tuned over the coming months for updates. One thing is for sure – there’s some incredible Warhammer content coming to your screens.
The first project due for completion is, of course, Angels of Death. We don’t know about you, but we think it’s coming along rather nicely.
Written by the Warhammer Story Forge (more on those fine wordsmiths soon), Angels of Death is being animated in collaboration with Richard Boylan and Boman Modine. Some of you may remember Richard and Boman’s striking and atmospheric work from their fan-made animation of the Helsreach audiobook. Alongside the Warhammer Story Forge, the team is creating something really special – an all-new Blood Angels story brought to visceral life. This is the 41st Millennium you always dreamed of seeing on screen.
Crimson wrote: Okay, the animation thing actually looks more intriguing than I expected. There of course were clunky 3D marines shouting banalities with booming voices, but there were also things that looked genuinely interesting.
Very weird mix of styles.
The kids one is very '80s-inspired' 2000s style American cartoon, something in there was anime copypasta (specifically a ghost in the shell knockoff), and the Blood Angel thing is purely soulless CGI with, as you say, lots of banalities.
Somehow I suspect the kids one is going to be the deepest one, with themes beyond shouting grimderp slogans.
Glad I'm not the one person who feels like this. I just couldn't get excited for the animation at all. It's the same awkward, clunky Marines shooting through hordes of X without any sense of threat interspersed with the occasional human looking in awe/frightened. Meanwhile this will no doubt get tens of thousands of "OMG THIS IS SO EPIC, BLAM THE HERETICS, GLLORRRIIOOUUSSS!" whilst I'm sat here hoping (and doubting) the Eisenhorn series might come to fruition so we can see something beyond bolter porn.
This, this so much.
People get way too excited by animations of Space Marines just shooting stuff.
The biggest indicator someone is a loser is them complaining about 3d printers or piracy.
gossipmeng wrote: The flyer is a perfect example of why I haven't played 40k in ages. Everything is starting to look like a legit toy. I can visualize some 90s commercial with kids going wowwwww and pushing little buttons on it to fire missiles.
I don't understand how forgeworld can feel so gritty and "real" and GW is all bling and.... I'd not know the term... the details feel too thick and childish.
The sisters have been solid overall, but it seems like every other design is a complete flop.
Forge World's designers don't design for literal children, which I think is a part of it.
I honestly think this model summarises everything wrong with a lot of new 40k kits, and in general the style of a majority of the new models is a result of CAD design.
Uh, have you seen the new missiles for the FW dreadnoughts? They look very much like a GI Joe Toy....
Jesus you people will moan about anything and everything. (Me too.)
gossipmeng wrote: The flyer is a perfect example of why I haven't played 40k in ages. Everything is starting to look like a legit toy. I can visualize some 90s commercial with kids going wowwwww and pushing little buttons on it to fire missiles.
I don't understand how forgeworld can feel so gritty and "real" and GW is all bling and.... I'd not know the term... the details feel too thick and childish.
The sisters have been solid overall, but it seems like every other design is a complete flop.
Forge World's designers don't design for literal children, which I think is a part of it.
I honestly think this model summarises everything wrong with a lot of new 40k kits, and in general the style of a majority of the new models is a result of CAD design.
Uh, have you seen the new missiles for the FW dreadnoughts? They look very much like a GI Joe Toy....
Jesus you people will moan about anything and everything. (Me too.)
Yeah duff product out of many doesn't really prove anything - I don't deny Forge World has a lot of duff sculpts - in fact there's a lot of problems with Forge World, the point is more that in general, Forge World has a somewhat more refined, nicer style. Most of that time, that is.
Moaning is such a literal non-point. Christ alive, some of you people are so attached to your commodities even passing criticism sees you lose your minds - Marcuse was right.
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The biggest indicator someone is a loser is them complaining about 3d printers or piracy.
People get way too excited by animations of Space Marines just shooting stuff.
I clapped! I clapped when he said "For the Emperor!"
But in all seriousness, I always feel a bit conflicted about rolling my eyes at this stuff. Loads of people obviously love it, but I don't feel like I'm being deliberately contrarian in hoping for something more about the 'world' that could be delved into. Whilst The Lord Inquisitor prologue ended up being a bit disappointing, I still feel I'll enjoy it more than Angels of Death turns out to be. Between this and how much more buzz Astartes gets over TLI though, I'm apparently in the minority.
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People get way too excited by animations of Space Marines just shooting stuff.
I clapped! I clapped when he said "For the Emperor!"
But in all seriousness, I always feel a bit conflicted about rolling my eyes at this stuff. Loads of people obviously love it, but I don't feel like I'm being deliberately contrarian in hoping for something more about the 'world' that could be delved into. Whilst The Lord Inquisitor prologue ended up being a bit disappointing, I still feel I'll enjoy it more than Angels of Death turns out to be. Between this and how much more buzz Astartes gets over TLI though, I'm apparently in the minority.
IT'S THE DREADNOUGHT! IT'S THE DREADNOUGHT! I GOTTA PLAY WITH MY 40K MODELS!
I don't think there's anything wrong about being sceptical about this sort of stuff - and it's not contrarian not to get caught up in often somewhat cringy fan fever that happens over it. I guess that's just what people want though, and there's nothing wrong with that. Unironically I just want a 40k cartoon in the style of Samurai Jack rather than some 'Space Marines shoot some stuff for 5 minutes, then Chaos Space Marine turns up, and there's a lot of grunting and very difficult to hear dialogue.
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The biggest indicator someone is a loser is them complaining about 3d printers or piracy.
Just my opinion, but the comics and animation clearly aimed at kids makes me feel a bit weird.
Yeah, most of us were kids when we started so my following point is somewhat illogical, but it’s like animating the third reich or spanish inquisition to make a kids show out of it. Knowing the actual lore to 40k makes cartoons and comics about it weird to me, even though I started playing at 10 so I really don’t have a leg to stand on.
Nostromodamus wrote: Just my opinion, but the comics and animation clearly aimed at kids makes me feel a bit weird.
Yeah, most of us were kids when we started so my following point is somewhat illogical, but it’s like animating the third reich or spanish inquisition to make a kids show out of it. Knowing the actual lore to 40k makes cartoons and comics about it weird to me, even though I started playing at 10 so I really don’t have a leg to stand on.
I dunno, it just bothers me.
My impression has always been the Warhammer Adventures stuff is it's more aimed at something for fathers to buy in desperate hopes they can get their children somehow interested in the hobby.
It seems like on the rare occasions I go into a GW to buy an odd paint, there's always a somewhat uncomfortable/confused looking kid having the first book thrust into their hands by their dad/store manager trying to explain it to them.
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Eh, some of the animation styles look nice enough. CGI seems soulless though.
Were it up to me I would have a single show, an anthology series kinda like Twilight Zone or something, that would've just explored the universe. imho40k tends to work the best as short stories.
Or a Star Trek-esque show about a Kroot warband, 'cause I like me some Kroot.
Definitely not interested in the animations. at this point it's force of habit to duck away from a production until i can gather more information.
so thats was everything beyond the awakening? well, at least i have potential... lesse, tau, orks nad space wolf data to look forward to in the future. maybe ill get lucky and custodes or guard will get something in these books as well.
Nostromodamus wrote: Just my opinion, but the comics and animation clearly aimed at kids makes me feel a bit weird.
Yeah, most of us were kids when we started so my following point is somewhat illogical, but it’s like animating the third reich or spanish inquisition to make a kids show out of it. Knowing the actual lore to 40k makes cartoons and comics about it weird to me, even though I started playing at 10 so I really don’t have a leg to stand on.
I dunno, it just bothers me.
If they try to make the night lords one kid friendly it could be painfully hilarious.
Voss wrote: Somehow I suspect the kids one is going to be the deepest one, with themes beyond shouting grimderp slogans.
Have you looked at the Warhammer Adventures books the animation is based on? I'm not sure that the 40K series could settle on a coherent theme in a month of Sundays...
Love the flier. Seems like that with the rumor engine pic, could mean admec jump troops? This wing doesn't match the flier wing. It also seems to small for a vehicle.
gossipmeng wrote: The flyer is a perfect example of why I haven't played 40k in ages. Everything is starting to look like a legit toy. I can visualize some 90s commercial with kids going wowwwww and pushing little buttons on it to fire missiles.
I don't understand how forgeworld can feel so gritty and "real" and GW is all bling and.... I'd not know the term... the details feel too thick and childish.
The sisters have been solid overall, but it seems like every other design is a complete flop.
Forge World's designers don't design for literal children, which I think is a part of it.
I honestly think this model summarises everything wrong with a lot of new 40k kits, and in general the style of a majority of the new models is a result of CAD design.
Uh, have you seen the new missiles for the FW dreadnoughts? They look very much like a GI Joe Toy....
Jesus you people will moan about anything and everything. (Me too.)
Yeah duff product out of many doesn't really prove anything - I don't deny Forge World has a lot of duff sculpts - in fact there's a lot of problems with Forge World, the point is more that in general, Forge World has a somewhat more refined, nicer style. Most of that time, that is.
Moaning is such a literal non-point. Christ alive, some of you people are so attached to your commodities even passing criticism sees you lose your minds - Marcuse was right.
I don't see it as criticism Blood Reaper. I just see it as people taking the piss for the sake of taking the piss. Art is subjective, some will like it, some wont. Most don't care.
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Marshal Loss wrote: Pretty dull open day all things considered. Love the Triumph of St. Katherine though
It's a neat model, but I'll be passing. It's not playable on the table top.
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Thairne wrote: they... put the bombs at the.. butt? That looks like.. well... like... uhm.. how do I phrase this....
Why do I keep hearing this song in my head now?
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Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
It's a neat model, but I'll be passing. It's not playable on the table top.
It's base doesn't look any bigger than a knights and the models in it are all walking forwards (or flying). So its visually mobile, at least as much as any other infantry models we get.
It's certainly more diorama than pure model, but it would certainly work on the tabletop. AoS is full of mobile thrones and shrines; meanwhile Krakatos is already appearing on battlefields and he was very much the same (multiple models on a posed base) if not a bit more extreme as his pose is static rather than mobile.
Edit - the new animations are looking very interesting. Still just at the teaser level but still pretty big - though a bit of a shame that a good few look to be quite "jumpy" in animation as opposed to smoothed, but that might just be pre-production and scene selection. The animated kids books will be neat to see GW engaging new and younger fans. Meanwhile the rest look creative and fun. Just hope we get to see lots of Xenos appearing!
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