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 Kanluwen wrote:
From Tom Walton's Twitter feed(he and Jes Goodwin designed the Archaeocopter):

Jesus. The pilot even looks like a dwarf with that cable beard. The design is interesting but too impractical. It doesnt look fast at all and looks like it can get shot down too easily. Most importantly, it doesnt fit the admech that well. Its the wings and tail that make it look like a WHFB Dwarf or Empire flier.

The Admech worship and only use working STC files. Does the Archeaopter look like a flier that would have been designed the Dark Age of Technology? If the Admech were more free in their tinkering I would understand, but they are strict to the point that if this vehicle isnt true to the original STC design, it would not be widespread across the entire Cult Mechanicus.

I guess I need to see some fluff first though, but judging by whats already established this flier doesnt make sense. Also, wtf is with this heavy stubber fetish? Why the hell are the Admech using so many of them? People say theyndont belong with Space Marines, but heavy stubber work even less with Admech... I remember when Skitarii and Cult Mech first came out. Everybody was looking at those crazy brand new weapons and vehicles like arc rifles and Dunecrawlers. They evoked a real sense of mystery and mastery over archaeotech while blending it with just enough steam punk that they look unique.

This copter, besides the legs, which are totally fitting for Admech, looks too primitive. It litteraly looks like its steam powered. Its interesting and on its own I like it, but as the first flier for AM, it kind of dissapointing and worrying.

Because Striders are super practical and you complain about them too!

I love all the reviews this time. Especially that ornithopter.

The fact that games workshop seems to be moving toward a very Dune theme for the mechanicus makes me very happy.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Because Striders are super practical and you complain about them too!

Dunestriders actually look like they work. This doesnt. Hell, even the shape of stormravens and the lack of suspensions and clearence on the leman russ tank dont bother me as much as this design.

If I can imagine how a model works the way its portrayed or showed, then its a pass. I dont think this copter even has forward thrusters!

Thrusters are on the back in a swivel mount.

123ply wrote:

The Admech worship and only use working STC files.

I don't think that's a thing. They certainly worship STCs, but there's never been any suggestion that they use them exclusively.

Has anyone mentioned the fact that the new flyer appears to be on a giant version of the new flightstands, and not the old flyer stands?

Looking at the Admech aircraft, it shouldn't take much to replace the wings with some from another kit. I think the Marine Stormtalon might be okay.

If not, you could probably go and find some cheap model planes and use their wings to do a conversion.

I don't really dig the wings, myself. I don't play admech, but I can see how it'd irk some people. When someone told me they had an Admech flyer, the mental image I got was something... maybe with larger wings.

Yeah, I love the wings, although I'd also like to build one with the canvas parts replaced with metal 'feathers'.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Has anyone mentioned the fact that the new flyer appears to be on a giant version of the new flightstands, and not the old flyer stands?

Yes.

123ply wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Because Striders are super practical and you complain about them too!

Dunestriders actually look like they work. This doesnt. Hell, even the shape of stormravens and the lack of suspensions and clearence on the leman russ tank dont bother me as much as this design.

If I can imagine how a model works the way its portrayed or showed, then its a pass. I dont think this copter even has forward thrusters!

If you imagine it as more of a helicopter gunship than a plane, it looks like it functions. The wings appear to me to be bendable which would grant higher maneuverability at low speeds (such as during low altitude ops) compared to an aileron/spoileron wing. The only real reason we haven’t delved into morphing wings more is because we don’t have the right material to pull it off. Being able to change a wing’s shape mid flight has huge aerodynamic potential, and humans would naturally experiment on it should a suitable wing material be invented (possibly during the DAOT).

In addition the turbo jet engine (which has an intake at the top and 2 thrusters at the back) can point downwards, like a harrier, thus allowing for VTOL. This is idea reinforced by the landing gear which are not wheels, but are more like a helicopter’s. The legs might provide suspension for the landings which would otherwise be rough (since once you switch to VTOL, the aircraft is unstable and it’s safer to just fall) and could also provide a means of additional upward momentum when taking off.

As I see it, this plane is not intended for supersonic flight (which would be impossible) instead it is there to fly low and provide direct fire support to ground troops. It can therefore be seen as more of a helicopter than a plane. It’s like an osprey, essentially, but potentially safer.

Of course, it might not be the best design, but the AdMech could have found an experimental STC on it and the rest is history.

It’s also supposed to look like the archaeopteryx, which is where it got its name (I assume).

123ply wrote:

Jesus. The pilot even looks like a dwarf with that cable beard.

Looks like an Admech aesthetic version of this:

Theory time: the hooks on the feet could be for attaching to the inevitable airship plane carrier. Or a space ship I guess.

Dandelion wrote:
Theory time: the hooks on the feet could be for attaching to the inevitable airship plane carrier. Or a space ship I guess.

Or to carry a couple of winged servitor-shrikes

123ply wrote:
I dont think this copter even has forward thrusters!

It does. Just behind the wings.

 ThirstySpaceMan wrote:
Love the flier. Seems like that with the rumor engine pic, could mean admec jump troops? This wing doesn't match the flier wing. It also seems to small for a vehicle.

How can you possibly determine that? You're seeing a close-up of part of something, with nothing to provide any sense of scale.

ccs wrote:

 ThirstySpaceMan wrote:
Love the flier. Seems like that with the rumor engine pic, could mean admec jump troops? This wing doesn't match the flier wing. It also seems to small for a vehicle.

How can you possibly determine that? You're seeing a close-up of part of something, with nothing to provide any sense of scale.

It does have a pilot, guns (particularly the side blister stubber barrel, since the same thing is on the transport) and a base to provide a sense of scale...

Huh. That isn't the 92x120 flying base (which most flyers are on), its too elongated. It looks more like the 170x105 base- the knight base.

The only other real option would be the 105x70, which is used by the ghost keel, and by the pilot alone, the base isn't that small.

The Wings on the flyer just looks wrong, sort of just not really functinal for what they are going for.
Seems to me like it should have thrust of some kind on the front as well.

As the wings themselves do not look like they could move to flap, not to they move right for storage.
Ideas to make something awesome, but its kinda meh and mix of a few ideas. The rest i think does look interesting, Do not really like the side guns on it.

You know, no one is wrong for not liking the ad mech flyer. I think it looks ok but I can see why it wouldn't be for everyone and I'm sure I won't love the cost or trying to store it if I ever get one.

For my money the Guard Valk and the Deathwatch Corvus are two of the best looking flyers to date, for me. Honorable mention I like the DE flyers as well.

It's ok if people think they look off or not cool, it's ok to still like them yourself. This hobby is so linked to visual I can see not getting a model you find ugly and really the ad mech flyer isn't a visual everyone will love.

Like for me I like the Kast Robots, some hate them, but I dig the sci fi robot look to them from tales to astonish ! I can get why people wouldn't like them however, it's all taste and no one is right or wrong.

Kind of meh about the releases, wondering how I'll handle the sisters releases which for me they look mostly amazing.

 Elbows wrote:
The triumph is gak-stupid, but I feel that way about any model you can't transport...and any immobile model that moves around the table. Why a huge marble piece with a throne/chair? If it's immobile I'll dislike it 30% less. That model just screams "feth you!" to people who want to travel with it to tournaments. Really despise wargaming models done like that, a direction GW is increasingly going in.

It's a procession. The two lower cherubs are carrying the remains of St Kathy in an open casket, it is not on the ground. And the lady at the back appears to just be standing on the ground, with an elaborate back-banner (as can be seen in the video). The two figures in the forefront of the picture are clearly walking. The only huge marble piece is just.. where they happen to be walking; possibly a platform they are descending from (difficult to make out).

Apple fox wrote:
The Wings on the flyer just looks wrong, sort of just not really functinal for what they are going for.
Seems to me like it should have thrust of some kind on the front as well.

As the wings themselves do not look like they could move to flap, not to they move right for storage.
Ideas to make something awesome, but its kinda meh and mix of a few ideas. The rest i think does look interesting, Do not really like the side guns on it.

The wings aren’t intended to flap. It flies like a normal plane with a jet engine (which is on top), except the pilot can morph the wings in order to optimize them for any phase of flight.

The flyer looks delightfully Dune inspired. hopefully the design from the new movie looks similar...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Has anyone mentioned the fact that the new flyer appears to be on a giant version of the new flightstands, and not the old flyer stands?

Better pic of the stand, if you’re interested:

I really hope that thing can support the weight well, and doesn’t snap every 2 seconds. At least the way it attaches is far superior to the smaller once.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Games Workshop wrote:An entire day dedicated to Warhammer 40,000? At Warhammer World, the official home of the hobby?! Sounds like an awesome day out, right?

It took you an entire day to show off 3 models we hadn't seen, one we had seen in progress, and make a trailer for some more Codex update campaign books? Fascinating...

To be fair, it’s not what the evens about.
No complaints from people there.

I mean I’m with you in that I wanted to see more, but that’s just from the sidelines, people I know that made it there said it was a blast.

The Admech worship and only use working STC files. Does the Archeaopter look like a flier that would have been designed the Dark Age of Technology? If the Admech were more free in their tinkering I would understand, but they are strict to the point that if this vehicle isnt true to the original STC design, it would not be widespread across the entire Cult Mechanicus.

I will have check my copy of RT but pretty sure that this sort of design was present at the very start of 40k as a Imperial flyer

 ImAGeek wrote:
Better pic of the stand, if you’re interested:

Spoiler:

Oh, thank you for that. I actually like the broader base at the bottom. Might make things a little more stable, assuming the new stem isn't hopelessly fragile.

Bloody hell how many pages of arguing over a flyer do we need?

I don't like it, personally, because I don't feel it fits with the 40k aesthetic in that it looks too fragile to go to war. Not that anyone should care either way about my opinion on the model lol. Its an opinion only.

Ad Mech have enjoyed a fair few releases this edition, someone in the studio is clearly enjoying working on them and pushing their development. It's a shame other factions don't have such a champion.

There are still a couple of unresolved rumour engine pics that have a strong AdMech look, so I'm not convinced this is everything they're getting.

At least this large stand has something that slots into the model. I despise the new glue-on curved stands for jetbike/jump models so much, normal plastic glue takes forever to do anything, so you pretty much have to superglue them...at a tiny connection spot, so it's guaranteed to snap.

Anyway, I like the dune ornithopter, none of the 40k vehicles make the slightest sense, so why start now