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That flyer looks like 2 different technologies bundled together in a bad way

Its always rule of cool for me first but man that design is a bit too broken for me.

The sisters in general are disappointing I mean with the scale creep they could have taken this opportunity to make them look less masculine.

Pass on all of this.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Bloody hell how many pages of arguing over a flyer do we need?

It's our first look at a new model, that's how it goes people say they like it people say they don't people argue about weather it fits the 40k aestetic. the norm

Cronch wrote:

Anyway, I like the dune ornithopter, none of the 40k vehicles make the slightest sense, so why start now

that feels like a cop-out to me. I don't care for the vehicle as of yet, but i see where the inspiration comes from, and can reason WHY it's here. doesn't mean when i think of "mechanicus" this kind of thing would come to mind. granted the first hting i think of when i hear "new mechanicus" is just the word "odd."

but a a fair few 40k vehicles i think do make sense, or at least have close analogues to our stuff nowadays (looks at ork vehicles and IG), and keeping some level of sense instead of just going "DAH! ITS 40K! OVER DA TOP!" all the time feels like it loses meaning to the crazy moments and the potential not crazy ones. if everythings like that, then to me, nothing is.

Unless we're talking slaanesh related stuff. that stuff really needs to look even more like a bad fever dream. preferably with more musical instruments.

it's like how one of the main reasons i even remotely like the ToSK is because the sisters on the model have a more serene feel than the vast majority of the other sisters in the current release, who based on their heads and posture are more likely in the middle of a fight and screaming constantly. or maybe i just don't like dynamic posing. not sure.

..or that new "Repentia superior". glyck. the one in the limited box has a better look to me because she has neat back braziers and doesn't look like she's staring into your soul in rage.

IG vehicles are all decades old (besides the occasional taurox and/or upgrade sprue) and even they don't really look functional, they look like someone saw a BMP or that non-existent german tank from Indiana Jones 2 (the one that was just british WWI tank with turret on it) and decided to make it worse and yes, over the top. GW pretty much abandoned the "realistic" approach to design in 4th edition imo.

fair enough i suppose. this kind of stuff in models is rather subjective. to me though, i feel more kits now are crossing a line for me. Realistic and sensible are not the same things themselves as i see it.

Just feels to me that there's a kind of logic in 40k, maybe a twisted one, that is increasingly being ignored and ive heard the "It's over the top!" so much lately it's turning into something where im trying to figure out what people even mean by it, just like when i hear "so 40k" for a new model. at this point it feels to me like its happened so often its just handing a blank check for any new thing to just automatically get a pass.

Guess im just hoping for some more variance im not seeing? I don't know.

I mean, if you look at 40k art, it was always over the top. That was the whole theme and point. The models were usually blander, much more so than the artwork, due to technical limitations. Now that GW has CAD, 3D printing and all the other toys, they can finally play with braziers, smoke effects and see-through stained glass canopies for the SoB tanks. To me anyway, it wasn't so much artistic as purely technical limitations that made the models not match the art style.

I wasn't expecting nor the grasshopper flyer neither a 40k manga but...why not ? I won't watch it as I really dislike manga but if some enjoy it, I will have Angels of Death anyway ! Quite surprised by so many media adaptations tbh.
The flyer grew on me and I think I like it now, even if I would replace the wings but smth closer to metallic wings. And the Adepta Sororita model is brilliant, it's gonna be a wonderful centric piece for an army !

Cronch wrote:
IG vehicles are all decades old (besides the occasional taurox and/or upgrade sprue) and even they don't really look functional, they look like someone saw a BMP or that non-existent german tank from Indiana Jones 2 (the one that was just british WWI tank with turret on it) and decided to make it worse and yes, over the top. GW pretty much abandoned the "realistic" approach to design in 4th edition imo.

40k has never been realistic in it's weapons and armor design. it's ALWAYS been "rule of cool"

 Mr Morden wrote:

The Admech worship and only use working STC files. Does the Archeaopter look like a flier that would have been designed the Dark Age of Technology? If the Admech were more free in their tinkering I would understand, but they are strict to the point that if this vehicle isnt true to the original STC design, it would not be widespread across the entire Cult Mechanicus.

I will have check my copy of RT but pretty sure that this sort of design was present at the very start of 40k as a Imperial flyer

This help?

I guess i just prefer a more basic design then, and as kits get updated ill find the bits more and more fiddly. ah well.

huh. that Orgus Flyer. interesting then, a blast from a past far back to the point it's a shocker then? interesting!

Still not a fan of the model, but this is doing the rounds on Reddit to give a little insight into the design (and also confirm the transport capacity. Sorry guys!).

Skitarii II?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Skitarii II?

It says in the top right corner "5 man transport".

 Grimtuff wrote:
It says in the top right corner "5 man transport".

Yeah and I'm looking at where it says "Skitarii II", which is interesting.

Here's hoping for a more robust Skitarii release, perhaps with a second robot, and this guy.

There were likely multiple sketch designs before one was chosen to be made. The various different versions might have been big differences or even just minor variations along the same theme. This is just number 2 that got chosen; could be there was a dozen or more designs suggested.

It really does look like it’s kinda designed not to have wings, and the wings are what I think most look off about it.

I think they needed to go back for redesign. As others have said they looking like they where going for some kinda of bug wing, but I think they just wholly missed that mark on the rest of the design being ok.
Not a fan of the thrusters being in a position to burn everything since for landing they would need to be able to point forward and down, 4 would have been better than the wings I think or supplement the bug wing design with some kinda of ball joint on the wings.

 Grimtuff wrote:
Still not a fan of the model, but this is doing the rounds on Reddit to give a little insight into the design (and also confirm the transport capacity. Sorry guys!).

Tats awesome - like it even more now!

 Overread wrote:
There were likely multiple sketch designs before one was chosen to be made. The various different versions might have been big differences or even just minor variations along the same theme. This is just number 2 that got chosen; could be there was a dozen or more designs suggested.

Or it might have been a note that this was part of a second planned release.

May 2015 is the date listed there, Skitarii went up for preorder in March of 2015 and went into April. I bought most of my stuff 'off the shelf' when it dropped instead of preordering, but the codex at least I know was a preorder on April 3rd 2015.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:
It says in the top right corner "5 man transport".

Yeah and I'm looking at where it says "Skitarii II", which is interesting.

Here's hoping for a more robust Skitarii release, perhaps with a second robot, and this guy.

Honestly, I think we're getting close to good on Skitarii themselves. We need a Primus/"Overseer", which is something constantly mentioned in the lore yet ignored.

As of right now, we have three profiles outstanding for the AdMech with no book:
Dunerider, Disintegrator, and the Manipulus. The flappitydoo will bring us up to 6.

There's also the Archaeotech and the Servitor X-101 from Combat Arena/Escalation that could potentially add some non-Martian characters.

Here is Jes’s drawing of the wing for those who are curious. Almost 5 years from final concept to release. Makes you wonder what they are working on now.

Makes me wonder how the Taurox can make it to sale honestly. No one in the design studio went, why are we making it this way ? If it was in design stages for as long.

You think that's bizarre...look at some real-life cars. Vehicles that involves hundreds of millions of dollars of investment....and they end up looking absolutely gak.

Apple fox wrote:
Makes me wonder how the Taurox can make it to sale honestly. No one in the design studio went, why are we making it this way ? If it was in design stages for as long.

In the eye of the beholder I guess - I hate many recent models - latest version of Wolfen, Taurox, Centurions, Stormsurge, Marine Mini-flyers, Grey Knights Baby Carrier, Santa Logan, Crisis Suits but they are liked by some.

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 ceorron wrote:


I'm not saying animalistic models are bad. Just all of those models have definite mechanical themes to them. This model looks far too clean and fragile to work as a mechanical device meaning it leans very heavily on it's routes as a dragonfly (it's animal inspiration). This makes the model look "wrong" (uncanny valley "wrong") to me. Take a look:
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Well, it's not just animalistic. I think it takes strong inspiration from Renaissance sketches for flying machines (predominantly Leonardo Da Vinci), which admittedly were largely inspired by observation of animals. Still, the detour is important, I think.

Yeah I can see the inspiration there. But that means it really doesn't fit with the Admech vehicles which do have a more insect/animal inspirations.





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 Mr Morden wrote:


In the eye of the beholder I guess - I hate many recent models - latest version of Wolfen, Taurox, Centurions, Stormsurge, Marine Mini-flyers, Grey Knights Baby Carrier, Santa Logan, Crisis Suits but they are liked by some.

GW will never reach the highs and crushing lows that are possibly in "high" fantasy with your insightful reliance on "taste".

Apple fox wrote:
Makes me wonder how the Taurox can make it to sale honestly. No one in the design studio went, why are we making it this way ? If it was in design stages for as long.

The design stage is quite likely fairly quick once they know what they're attempting to do.

It's getting things into production where it gets sticky. A big part of the reasoning for the new factory machinery is production snarls.

Also, the Taurox works. Not everyone might like it, but it's best to remember that the intention wasn't for it to strictly be a Guard vehicle. It's a Tempestus vehicle as well, and the Prime is wonderfully wacky Imperial design.

Chikout wrote:
Here is Jes’s drawing of the wing for those who are curious. Almost 5 years from final concept to release. Makes you wonder what they are working on now.

That sketch reveals the wing from the rumor engine doesn't it? The lighter penciled smaller wing? Looks like its an alternate build component for the Archeopter.

Ok, so the wings don't flap. Thats at both times good and bad. I want a flappy flyer...

 Red Corsair wrote:

Chikout wrote:
Here is Jes’s drawing of the wing for those who are curious. Almost 5 years from final concept to release. Makes you wonder what they are working on now.

That sketch reveals the wing from the rumor engine doesn't it? The lighter penciled smaller wing? Looks like its an alternate build component for the Archeopter.

I think that’s the legs, which also have little fins on. They don’t match the rumour engine though, and the rumour engine part didn’t show up on any of the built versions at the event (and it looked like they had all versions built there).

The problem with the flyer is it doesn't look like a front line combat unit.
The personal transport of a magi, used to hop between one forge and another it makes sense, but flying into gun fire?
No, not so much.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Better pic of the stand, if you’re interested:

Spoiler:

Oh, thank you for that. I actually like the broader base at the bottom. Might make things a little more stable, assuming the new stem isn't hopelessly fragile.

I think the new stem is designed asa better way to storage for traveling it seems the upper side (the crux that goes into the flyer) can be detached from the joint ball on the stem and the flyer storaged while the stem is carried elsewhere thus not damaging the the model when reataching the stem.
It also grants a bit more modelling positions if the upper part can be rotated along the joint in order to make the flyer look like strafing or dodging unlike current stems.

 Galas wrote:
Ok, so the wings don't flap. Thats at both times good and bad. I want a flappy flyer...

Why do so many people think the wings flap? The thought never entered my mind. It’s like thinking the Star Wars Imperial Shuttle flaps just because it has a means of adjusting the wings.