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2019/12/01 05:03:47
Subject: Gk librarian storm shield and warding staff 2++?
So if I take a index libby with storm shield and warding staff does it get a 2+ invul? No limit seems to be placed on the staff like sanctuary or heed.
2019/12/01 07:58:55
Subject: Gk librarian storm shield and warding staff 2++?
A GK librarian does not have an option to take a storm shield.
And the GK librarian is not in the index.
Can you give a page from the index that lists a GK librarian? I can not find one.
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2019/12/01 08:02:50
Subject: Gk librarian storm shield and warding staff 2++?
A GK librarian does not have an option to take a storm shield.
And the GK librarian is not in the index.
Can you give a page from the index that lists a GK librarian? I can not find one.
Page 181, They can take the regular Space Marines Librarian in Terminator Armor as a GK unit. And the way it is written the model can take a storm shield if it replaces a storm bolter.
2019/12/01 08:31:00
Subject: Gk librarian storm shield and warding staff 2++?
A GK librarian does not have an option to take a storm shield.
And the GK librarian is not in the index.
Can you give a page from the index that lists a GK librarian? I can not find one.
Page 181, They can take the regular Space Marines Librarian in Terminator Armor as a GK unit. And the way it is written the model can take a storm shield if it replaces a storm bolter.
Weird, it has the Storm Shield rule, but is not armed with a Storm Shield in the war-gear description of the unit.
So how are you taking a warding staff with the Librarian in Terminator Armour? It has no option for a warding staff.
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2019/12/01 08:38:15
Subject: Gk librarian storm shield and warding staff 2++?
A GK librarian does not have an option to take a storm shield.
And the GK librarian is not in the index.
Can you give a page from the index that lists a GK librarian? I can not find one.
Page 181, They can take the regular Space Marines Librarian in Terminator Armor as a GK unit. And the way it is written the model can take a storm shield if it replaces a storm bolter.
Weird, it has the Storm Shield rule, but is not armed with a Storm Shield in the war-gear description of the unit.
So how are you taking a warding staff with the Librarian in Terminator Armour? It has no option for a warding staff.
Under wargear options the unit can replace its storm bolter with a storm shield, that is why it has the rule. The guy probably meant a Nemesis Warding Stave which a GK Librarian in Terminator Armour automatically has instead of a Force Stave.
Also to answer the original poster, from the looks of it yes he would have a 2+ Invulnerable but only in the fight phase. Remember this was at the start of 8th edition when the kinks had not been worked out yet (or ever if you ask some people).
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2019/12/01 08:59:20
Subject: Gk librarian storm shield and warding staff 2++?
A GK librarian does not have an option to take a storm shield.
And the GK librarian is not in the index.
Can you give a page from the index that lists a GK librarian? I can not find one.
Page 181, They can take the regular Space Marines Librarian in Terminator Armor as a GK unit. And the way it is written the model can take a storm shield if it replaces a storm bolter.
Weird, it has the Storm Shield rule, but is not armed with a Storm Shield in the war-gear description of the unit.
So how are you taking a warding staff with the Librarian in Terminator Armour? It has no option for a warding staff.
Under wargear options the unit can replace its storm bolter with a storm shield, that is why it has the rule. The guy probably meant a Nemesis Warding Stave which a GK Librarian in Terminator Armour automatically has instead of a Force Stave.
Also to answer the original poster, from the looks of it yes he would have a 2+ Invulnerable but only in the fight phase. Remember this was at the start of 8th edition when the kinks had not been worked out yet (or ever if you ask some people).
I do not see an entry in the GK codex for "Librarian in Terminator Armour"
Only a "Librarian" (albeit with the GREY KNIGHTS faction keyword) he has a Nemesis warding stave. But the "Librarian in Terminator Armour" from the index (with the GREY KNIGHTS faction keyword) does not have the option for the Nemesis warding stave.
So, to answer the original poster, from the looks of it no he would have a 2+ Invulnerable save ever, as the index "Librarian in Terminator Armour" does not get the Nemesis warding stave, and the Librarian datasheet from the GK codex can not get a storm shield.
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2019/12/01 09:11:24
Subject: Gk librarian storm shield and warding staff 2++?
I do not see an entry in the GK codex for "Librarian in Terminator Armour"
Only a "Librarian" (albeit with the GREY KNIGHTS faction keyword) he has a Nemesis warding stave. But the "Librarian in Terminator Armour" from the index (with the GREY KNIGHTS faction keyword) does not have the option for the Nemesis warding stave.
So, to answer the original poster, from the looks of it no he would have a 2+ Invulnerable save ever, as the index "Librarian in Terminator Armour" does not get the Nemesis warding stave, and the Librarian datasheet from the GK codex can not get a storm shield.
Page 181 if the index;
annotation number 2: "This unit [Librarian in Terminator Armour] is armed with frag grenades and krak grenades. He is also armed with a Nemesis warding stave instead of a force stave, which he can replace with an item from the Grey Knights Melee Weapons list."
The GK codex is not part of this, we are talking about the index only.
Re reading it I may have been wrong before. The annotation says that he is armed with grenades and a N warding stave but it says nothing about the storm bolter that the Librarian normally has. Does that mean that it does not automatically have the storm bolter or does it? If it does it can replace it with a storm shield but if it does not it can't replace it and can't get a storm shield. The way it is worded I think it keeps the storm bolter but I am not sure.
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2019/12/01 10:42:34
Subject: Gk librarian storm shield and warding staff 2++?
Okay, so if you are even allowed to take an index librarian in terminator armor, he has whatever is on his datasheet. nothing more.
If he has a Nemesis warding stave and a Storm Shield he will have a 2+ invuln in the fight phase.
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2019/12/01 15:24:45
Subject: Re:Gk librarian storm shield and warding staff 2++?
Yes I meant nemesis force weapon. I said index because following the flow chart we do not have a model named librarian in terminator armor. We do have the option to take it in the index.
I took this approach as stats are different. So the codex is not even a reference in this debate imo.
Others could argue it's the gk librarian stat line from the codex but I feel like my approach is a fair middle ground (from pure raw name to name standpoint). So all it's rules and wargear are pulled exclusively from the index and it's points are from the most recent points update referencing a librarian in terminator armor.
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2019/12/02 07:28:36
Subject: Gk librarian storm shield and warding staff 2++?
Eihnlazer wrote: Index will no longer be a thing now that Chapter Approved 2019 is dropping.
If a unit is not in the new list of units in CA2019 it is no longer allowed in match play.
There will be rules for legacy units on the community website, but you can toss the index now.
I seriously doubt that, but we will see when CA2019 is released.
'Every year, we review all of the points values (for all of the units) in Warhammer 40,000. We won’t be doing this for the Warhammer Legends, though. Once we’ve assigned them their final points, they won’t be part of that ongoing balance review – and we won’t be recommending Legends units for competitive tournaments"
"Did you notice a sign out in front of my chapel that said "Land Raider Storage"?" -High Chaplain Astorath the Grim Redeemer of the Lost.
I sold my soul to the devil and now the bastard is demanding a refund!
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2019/12/02 13:11:41
Subject: Gk librarian storm shield and warding staff 2++?
Eihnlazer wrote: Index will no longer be a thing now that Chapter Approved 2019 is dropping.
If a unit is not in the new list of units in CA2019 it is no longer allowed in match play.
There will be rules for legacy units on the community website, but you can toss the index now.
I seriously doubt that, but we will see when CA2019 is released.
'Every year, we review all of the points values (for all of the units) in Warhammer 40,000. We won’t be doing this for the Warhammer Legends, though. Once we’ve assigned them their final points, they won’t be part of that ongoing balance review – and we won’t be recommending Legends units for competitive tournaments"
I dont see anything about matched play written there. Or did i miss something ??
If it has points, it's matched play legal. Legends is explicitly designed to be usable in all three play modes (Open, Narrative, Matched). They're simply not recommending it for competitive tournaments. Also remember, just because its an Index option doesnt mean it's going to Legends.
2019/12/02 13:20:15
Subject: Gk librarian storm shield and warding staff 2++?
I dont see anything about matched play written there. Or did i miss something ??
If it has points, it's matched play legal. Legends is explicitly designed to be usable in all three play modes (Open, Narrative, Matched). They're simply not recommending it for competitive tournaments. Also remember, just because its an Index option doesnt mean it's going to Legends.
I know that, but others somehow really want everyone to avoid index options like the plague. Even after warhammer legends you will still be able to use those units in matched play.
2019/12/02 15:08:24
Subject: Gk librarian storm shield and warding staff 2++?
Legends does not replace your ability to use models in your games, what it does do is allow you to drop your index books into storage as the options that are most useful are in legends still. For Matched Play non event games and house games legends is perfectly legal. I am basically using it as a replacement for the indexes.
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2019/12/10 14:24:09
Subject: Gk librarian storm shield and warding staff 2++?
Galef wrote: From the way they are wording it, Index UNITS are being moved to Legends, but Codex units with Index WARGEAR might not be.
There's already examples of Legends wargear options for Codex units in the Legends PDFs (e.g., page 21 of the Legends - Adeptus Astartes PDF).
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
2019/12/10 16:59:36
Subject: Re:Gk librarian storm shield and warding staff 2++?
Well, it’s not there which means “no storm shield for you!”
That is not remotely what that means.
It will when GW officially yanks the flowchart for allowing index units and options. It's clear from the Warhammer Legends page that they mean for you to be using the Legends rules instead of the Index rules. That said, you can write in to GW and they might amend the Grey Knight Legends pdf to allow a GK Librarian to have a storm shiield and the Nemesis warding staff. I suspect they won't, however. probably having already made the decision to not have the 2++ Librarian.
2019/12/28 23:02:37
Subject: Re:Gk librarian storm shield and warding staff 2++?
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
2019/12/28 23:38:29
Subject: Gk librarian storm shield and warding staff 2++?
BaconCatBug wrote: On the one hand, this is good. On the other, stop the stealth updates GW please :(
Agreed on both counts. It's also good that they went ahead and released it instead of waiting until April (yes, there are complaints on Facebook that they should have waited until the April FAQ update) with the Las Vegas Open next month and Adepticon in March (not sure if they allowed use of the flowchart to begin with).
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
