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 lord_blackfang wrote:
I don't suppse the voucher works on Dungeons & Lasers pledge manager?

I'd contact them and ask once you've got it (they're pretty responsive via the contact form on the Archon website), depending on how they're doing the voucher it might well be something they'd have to add manually, but I don't see why they wouldn't

Same for my late pledge I went for like two weeks ago, so that was quick.

They should probably have skipped those slashes to the pipes though, they look silly. Filled in, they should be fine I guess.

 Illumini wrote:
...They should probably have skipped those slashes to the pipes though, they look silly. Filled in, they should be fine I guess.

What ? You don't have Berserkers randomly attacking pipes in your games ?
Agreed. A little putty and the slashes will be "fixed". Hopefully they aren't as pronounced on the production pieces as they are on the rendering.

 Myrthe wrote:

 Illumini wrote:
...They should probably have skipped those slashes to the pipes though, they look silly. Filled in, they should be fine I guess.

What ? You don't have Berserkers randomly attacking pipes in your games ?
Agreed. A little putty and the slashes will be "fixed". Hopefully they aren't as pronounced on the production pieces as they are on the rendering.

In real life:

I must have forgotten to fill out the survey as I didn't get the $10 oh well I only had a small pledge for extra Kazumi set I needed

What sprue is that on? How many do you get?

Happy surprise as box arrived today. Surprisingly fast. Now　to decide do i go for magnets or glue　permanently

Stretch goal box sprues - 5 in the box 1 of each, the 4 below and a Cobalt floor sprue

Btw if one werb to magnetize(not sure yet) how deep magnets you would go for?

tneva82 wrote:
Btw if one werb to magnetize(not sure yet) how deep magnets you would go for?

from the FAQ

What magnets will work on the Rampart terrain features?
We recommend magnets for the walls 5x3mm (3/16" by 1/8") and 5x5mm (3/16" by 3/16") for columns, although our test on the prototype was successful with 5x3mm magnets in walls and columns.

I haven't tried it I built permanent structures as seen on page 1 - the floors are 5mm Foam PVC as Rampart floors aren't great I can now finish this project with the wall toppers and extras I needed)
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/783075.page#10650456

I know i filled out the survey, and no voucher yet so you might get one yet DaveC,

I suspect they may not send them out until they're finished with the physical pledges simply because they're probably busy packing and working on all the dungeons and lasers stuff

I look forward to seeing your finished Kazumi project so i can steal your ideas (mine got put together into wall sections then i stalled over what i wanted to glue and what i wanted to be able to take apart again)

I got the last of my stuff. I wish the terrain had assembly instructions, especially the stretch goal stuff.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
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I look forward to seeing your finished Kazumi project so i can steal your ideas (mine got put together into wall sections then i stalled over what i wanted to glue and what i wanted to be able to take apart again)

It's way down my list of projects at the moment so I'm not sure when I'll get back to it but I did try the toppers on one of the buildings this morning. They were always clear the toppers would not be the full width including columns so I had to make some columns to build out the walls. I found 15mm x 15mm timber batons in my local DIY store that does the job. Cut to size, carve brick effect into the wood, glue on some plastic pieces job done. I even saved the peg I clipped from the bottom of the icon to stick on the side just for a bit of extra detailing.

Pretty damn good!

Being a man of culture, of course, I shall 3d print my columns.

Nice work DaveC, those column sections finish of the top nicely

todays update for those that late backed and don't get it from KS

Basically all of the Europe packages have been already delivered or being shipped today. Now we start with the slower area - the USA and Canada. As our partner, FedEX is limiting us to 100KGs of shipments per day outside of Europe due to the COVID19 situation, we are shipping approximately 60 pledges per day. According to my shipping department, we have 1600 pledges left to be shipped. It will take about a month to finish. We had shipped a few pledges overseas already, but mass delivery starts now.

Our Australia fans are going in one separate batch next week (approximately 120 pledges)

We will keep you updated with non-Europe shipping progress in future updates. Only thing that slows us down is shipping cap by FedEx, all of the product is manufactured and just waiting in the boxes to be shipped

I received mine today, and am very impressed. Rampart late updates introduced me to Dungeons and Lasers which I bought a lot of in August with no waiting but as a quasi KS backer. Then I did alarge standard backing for Dungeons and Lasers II.

Now that I have some Rampart and have had a good look at it I want more. The 'late pledge' function on Kickstarter wasn't working for the last quarters but is now reactivated, similar to how the Dungeons and Lasers late backer function was reinstated after the campaign delivery stage. So I can get some more sets, and you can too. At $49 for a core set full stretchgoals some bonus minis and an AFV is crazy good and you can do multiple basic pledges.
My initial pledge was a Mass Battle (4 set) and a Basic (1 set), I might buy two more basic sets. I have three Cathedral sets and one each of the others. I was unsure about Cobalt set but decided to get one anyway, I dont like the windows on it otherwise it is OK. Kasumi does work as a single set as it has fourteen intact long wall sections, and sixteen ruined wall sections, more than enough for a basic ruin for an RPG, or window dressing for a battle in Lustria, but I like it so much I want to double up. As expected the Cathedral set is the big draw, I got three sets to provide enough ruins for an urban 40K board or a 'Temple of Elemental Evil' type scenario. Three sets might actually be enough for the surface section of the classic Temple' scenario.

Going to buy a Cathedral basic set for a friend as a present, he needs more terrain for 40K and I think he will love it, especially the stretchgoals Though I am keeping the tank box. And a second Kasumi set for myself, though I technically don't need it, because it will feed my plastic crack habit.

How much would you say 2 sets cover for 6'x4' board? Aka would board be sparse looking with that?

Influences do i get more or not

Just got the rest of my pledge yesterday, haven’t had time to go through it yet, but I’m quite happy so far.

If it will work, this is a quick video I did of my Kazumi sets I got back in February. They’ve since been painted. It’s an RPG set + wargame pledge set if you’re wondering.

Got my triple Cobalt today. Everything has retail level packaging this time so it takes up a lot more space than the classic "crate of sprues" approach but it's good quality boxes so I like it.

Only gripe so far is that Cobalt box art shows doors on the renders but there are no short doors anywhere and just a single tall door in the stretch goal set.


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 Stormonu wrote:
Just got the rest of my pledge yesterday, haven’t had time to go through it yet, but I’m quite happy so far.

If it will work, this is a quick video I did of my Kazumi sets I got back in February. They’ve since been painted. It’s an RPG set + wargame pledge set if you’re wondering.

Dayum

 Stormonu wrote:
Just got the rest of my pledge yesterday, haven’t had time to go through it yet, but I’m quite happy so far.

If it will work, this is a quick video I did of my Kazumi sets I got back in February. They’ve since been painted. It’s an RPG set + wargame pledge set if you’re wondering.

Looking really good

Got mine today too. If anyone wonders about compatibility with GW sector imperialis, the tall walls are pretty much exactly the same size. However, the columns do not work the same, so while they will look good beside each other, it might be hard to combine, at least at the same level. Adding GW walls on top of these should work out allright.

Stormonu - what do you mean with wargame pledge? One additional box?

Sorry, I did a Complete Pledge ($149 level)and a RPG pledge, so I would get a full set with ruined walls and another set with “undamaged” walls.

Honestly I feel like I've overdone it with the stretch goal sets (11)

tneva82 wrote:
How much would you say 2 sets cover for 6'x4' board? Aka would board be sparse looking with that?

Influences do i get more or not

Ok. Fair question.
Take a look at the Kickstarter homepage, in particular the coverage given by pledge size. Archon were helpful and insightful enough to include this.



Now the scaling is in inches despite Poland being a metric society and is assumed to be broadly square, so 22", 35", 41" and 48" coverage respectively for one to four boxsets. How tall you want or need ruins will effect this, also you have to think about spacing. Now lets look at purpose. For a wargaming 6'x4' four sets will produce dense coverage for two thirds of the board, basically each 2'x2' tile can get dense single storey cover from one core set. For urban infantry battles, or large are skirmish like Necromunda you might need as many as eight sets for tall and dense fighting in ruins for a 4'x4' and reasonable coverage with half that. For a 6'x4' Warhammer battlefield you will want room for ranked units or tanks and large monsters or titans. I have no doubt two core sets will provide enough scatter for a 6'x4' with the scatter being major feature of the board. Even a single set will help break up a 6'x4' provide objectives from the stretchgoals and some limited cover to break LOS and protect a portion of the units on the field. This might be all you need. On the other hand having a dense double height ruin covering the area of approx one 2'x2' tile, not necessarily all in the same place, and one further set for scatter terrain will yield enough blocking elements to conceal a proportion of the large monsters or vehicles and more of the infantry. I think three sets of one core set type is a sweet spot for wargaming a 6'x4' board, it is what I bought. If you cant afford that, want more open battlefield or want to mix with different terrain such as woods or hills etc you could get away with less and still use Rampart as the one stop fix for making effective battlefield terrain. If you buy for the densest use you think you will need and for the largest table space related to that game space then you will be on the right track.
However that being said if you want Cities of Death, or an RPG narrative with a temple complex, or want city blocks that you can hide titans behind your own considerations might depart from the above. In truth there is no actual answer. I bought three Cathedral sets for a catch all, and one of each of the others for features or RPG games. I am strongly considering buying more while it is at backers prices. For $49 USD one core set, one stretchgoals and some minis on the side is an insane deal, and its best to buy multiples of that frankly. Though the stretchgoal boxes are only currently $10 so if you like the other rewards of larger spends it might be good idea to get that. I will likely end up with more than I need, but at the price I wont regret that.
Hope this helps, and while not conclusive does provide a fairly comprehensive answer to your rather open question.


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 lord_blackfang wrote:
Honestly I feel like I've overdone it with the stretch goal sets (11)

Maybe, maybe not. There are items in the set you might like to spam. If you do dioramas or want repeating decorations you might need these. Those items you dont need multiples of become giveaways to hobbyists in your community, or junk to sell on auction depending on how you do.
- Avenues of statues, check. Though as total even number would make sense.
- Meaningful gifts for gamers, check. They only cost $10 each yet have contents will beyond that pricepoint.
- Enough ceiling sections to be worth a damn, check. Maybe not eleven sets but good enough. Besides the ceilings in the cathedral set are poor, I much prefer the industrial ones for a 'Cities of Death' feel, and would use plasticard for an actual model cathedral.
- Enough toppers to not need a topper set, check. A pack of toppers costs $3 for five, cost you $50 but with all the extra you get.

I got multiple boxes of Dungeons and Lasers stretchgoals. Admittedly only four so far, but I do wonder if I want more. I currently have three Rampart strtchgoal boxes and definitely do want more, though in both cases wont total to eleven. Yep its pretty mad, but a number of gamers spammed the Pegasus hobbies gothic building sets to make tall city block terrain, and that product is in my opinion inferior to this one. Yes I can see people buying 30 or more core sets and building ruins so big titans can prowl within. That's $1500, plus postage, but some Titan owners will be happy to spend that. So eleven stretchgoals is not a lot to those lost to the depths of the hobby. You are definitely dignosable as having a plastic crack "problem"; though I am not stopping, are you?

Just as an FYI, the video from above is essentially 6 sets on a 3 ft. X 3 ft. mat (91 cm X 91 cm). You could definitely do some knight-level combats on the setup I had - most of the structures were two stories and the two big buildings were 4 and 5 stories respectively.

I also agree that the ceilings are rather poor (especially corners - the pegs being on the end columns instead of being able to do supports in the middle of the wall causes issues) and cardboard/plasticard would be better where you want multilevel areas.

Could not resist adding another RPG pledge after getting all the walls clipped off my original pledge. Great value for 185$ including shipping. One of very few kickstarters where instead of the kickstarter hangover, I want more immediately.

40k Reichstag coming up as soon as I get my hands on some plastic cement.

 Illumini wrote:
Could not resist adding another RPG pledge after getting all the walls clipped off my original pledge. Great value for 185$ including shipping.
40k Reichstag coming up as soon as I get my hands on some plastic cement.

You bought solidified RPG sets? What do you get in them please.

 Illumini wrote:

One of very few kickstarters where instead of the kickstarter hangover, I want more immediately.

Though if you don't answer I will find out soon enough hopefully. I ordered three more sets today, all RPG.
I didnt get the RPG set because I get two more stretchgoals and tanks this way, in lieu of a plasma silo and two Core set extras, and -$2.

I added a plasma silo anyway because I 'only' have two, and a second Apse and some stairs.

 Stormonu wrote:
Just as an FYI, the video from above is essentially 6 sets on a 3 ft. X 3 ft. mat (91 cm X 91 cm). You could definitely do some knight-level combats on the setup I had - most of the structures were two stories and the two big buildings were 4 and 5 stories respectively.

Nice to know. I counted the pyramids to get to six boxsets, but wasnt sure because you might have bought legacy stretchgoals.

 Stormonu wrote:

I also agree that the ceilings are rather poor (especially corners - the pegs being on the end columns instead of being able to do supports in the middle of the wall causes issues) and cardboard/plasticard would be better where you want multilevel areas.

The Kazumi ceilings are almost totally useless, there are no half section walls. Pity because I bought an extra set. The Cathedral ceilings are fugly, but the Cobalt ceilings are OK. Definitely will be using plasticard for roofing, it looks great for Kazumi anyway. I will use stock Kazumi ceilings upside down for medieval cathedral, and cobalt ones for 40K cities of death cathedral. My Cobalt sets will be blended into my admech stuff.

What I am learning is that the modularity is not really important except for deciding verticals. This isnt lego, there isnt a lot of true variety in the kits that is sacrificed by gluing them, and gluing means I can more readily customise and add stuff.
Really like what Dave C has done. Will most likely do the same.

Ha ha good posts Orlanth

So you might want more than 4 of D&L1 stretch goals? I wasn't on D&L1 so I don't have any yet. They seem great on their own but D&L2 SG are almost double the content for the same $20 so I don't know how many of the old ones I want.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Ha ha good posts Orlanth

Nice they were appreciated.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

So you might want more than 4 of D&L1 stretch goals? I wasn't on D&L1 so I don't have any yet. They seem great on their own but D&L2 SG are almost double the content for the same $20 so I don't know how many of the old ones I want.

They are very good and available now. Yes the D&L II stretchgoals are even better but they are different.

For example I bought One 'Legacy Stetchgoals box' i.e the stretchgoals from Dungeons and Lasers I. It is inferior but it was worth getting one, at least until I found the best sprue was included in the Kazumi set. Nevertheless it included some nice statues I didnt get elsewhere and some Aztec gem plinths not in the Kazumi box. Very thin in total compared to Rampart II strechgoals but well worth having for the price point anyway.

D&L was a later product and as the campaigns grew as Archon recovered some rep post Prodos they gbot more backers and the boxes got better and better. Yes the D&L II stretchgoals are awesome but we wont see them until next year and the D&L 1 stretchgoals have some very useful pieces, especially if you buy more thna one set. Highlights to me are the cryopods, very similar to the ones on the Sulaco, you get one per set. I could take as many of these as I can get. You get a pair of classic wooden chests per set, they are solid one piece casts but fairly good, there is also a metal chest. Now chests are not uncommon but these are no nonsense sculpts with reasonable detail. There are spiked floor grates, a very presentable stone spiral stair, an automatic sentry turret, a modern computer locked chest, a satanic altar with pentagram and candles, various statues, a gnarly dead tree, a coffin and lid, a throne (very good detail), four wooden trap levers, consoles, a pillory and some alien eggs.
There is more to that as seen below but sculpt and mold quality varies. I mentioned above the best features



D&L II does have its own highlights, and yes in general that set is better. But not quite. The stretchgoals for D&L I do include a tank, but only one per pledge extra stretchgoal boxes do not include the tank. It is a very nice tank.
If you buy multiple single core set pledges you will get one free stretchgoal with each as each is a seperate pledge, and that will also get you one tank. The extras you get for taking double or triple sets are not worth the extra main strechgoal boxes in my opinion, especially when these each come with a very nice not-Chimera. The tank is costed at $30 seperately, but the other minor add ons you would otherwise get are much cheaper. In fact with D&L buying larger sets only gets you one two extra rooms. Three for the single, seven for the sdouble set and eleven for the triple. Room sets are costed at $20 each but in my opinion are worth less than the stretchgoal boxes, they are certainly smaller. And these come with a free tank and also an animal companion boxset.

Now the animals are of rather dubious value, you either like them or hate them. I find them too Disneyesque, but some could be useful. The armoured bear is certainly useful as are the mimics, some other animals could be used as is, or converted for more sensible druid companions or cyber creatures. They are too 'cute;' for psyber ravens or Arbites cybermastiffs, but not beyond the bounds of skilled conversion.



This tank has five sprues and is chock full of detail. Very nice kit you would normally have to pay a fair whack for. My only complaints are that the stowage is molded onto the armour panels so there is less modularity than it might appear as it is difficult to customise stowage location and not including a piece of stowage means not including the armour plate under it. That did not make sense frankly. My second complaint is that despite having five sprues of detail including interiors there is no alternate weapon mount. Though for 40K you can easily import other weapons.
I am tempted to use these turrets for Russ turrets as the cannon is offset so that the breach is not in line with the commanders hatch and gettign alt Chimer turrets for the Wolverine itself. The kit is transparently an infantry AFV and not a tank.



The best price is the vending machine mimic, just don't glue in the tongue and its a normal smashed up vending machine. This is a very useful piece of terrain, it can be placed somewhere to identify a public space and is viable as external or interior furniture, it is mobile with an appropriate strength check and provide hard cover in a firefight. Nicely they have intact versions in D&L 2 stretchgoals, purported as mimics but with this piece I will be using it as a real vending machine for games. All in all this boxset is a waste, but it is free, just don't pony out for any, they are not worth the money Archon charges as an extra.

Ha ha I've been doing similar calculations. Rooms are meh, yea, they are $20 but only have 1/4 the material of a $40 core set. But I'm not getting any corridors anyway, just the dragons and a bunch of SG.

A bit more than a quarter. Let us see:

Room $20 = 3 Long wall, 6 Short Wall, 3 Long Floor, 3 Short Floor, 3 Doors.

Core $40 = 14 Long Wall, 27 Short Wall, 12 Long Floor, 18 Short Floor, 7 Doors

So by price: 6/14, 12/27, 6/12, 6/18 and 6/7.
Its roughly half value. Nevertheless I dont think the pricing is unfair, you get quite a bit for the price even for the rooms.

I have enough Core sets that I will be buying multiple $99 Dungeon Master pledges with rooms only. Last time I bought four Dungeon Master pledges for D&L1. Half fantasy, half SF. When I cut them out each side almost completely filled a shoe box neatly stacked and weigh quite a bit.

I didnt need too many of the D&L1 rooms, though I didnt buy them evenly, max three of any type.

The D&L2 rooms have content I want to spam. Frankly I expected the mines set to be an alternative core and was disappointed that it as not. You dont have mine rooms, you have mine complexes.

I am toying whether to buy three Dungeon Masters (15 rooms) or four (20 rooms/?18 rooms +1 fantasy core?).

Let us work it out I like the new room sets, think they are an improvement on what came before; and will probably want five Dwarven Mines, and three of each of the other new ones. So I could add a sixth mine set or drop one down to two, likely Temple and buy an extra Fantasy core,
Hmm. This means I wont buy four now, but I might end up coming back for more.
Which dragons do I want? That was easy as I had mixed reactions to them.
Thall is a must have, want one for my Vampire Counts army.
Draculus is a decent black dragon though I dont like the armoured wing roots very much.
Freyr is a decent blue, or maybe white dragon if I remove the lightning.
Durkar is so-so, if I get a fourth set I will choose him.

I like Marduk but she is way too small for Tiamat, will stick with the plan to pick up Ma'al Drakaar instead.
Schmargomnrog is a good sculpt but I am not too keen on lava dragons and he is only availalbe at special higher price.
The Xenodragon is also good, but I have no need of one.

Do I need multiple free Chinese dragons, not really but the excess will make good gifts.

https://gamefound.com/projects/archon-studio/dungeons--lasers-second-edition#/section/project-overview

Checkingv the p[ledge manager, there are not many Stretchgoals I need more than three of. More basic furniture would be nice. Functional doors will be my big additional spend, though if I am crazy enough I might buy a Dragon Pledge Upgrade and get at least one of each dragon, except Schmargonrog.