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All of FW is gone!

Oh wait...that's not true.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/legends/

 Daedalus81 wrote:
All of FW is gone!

Oh wait...that's not true.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/legends/

I'm quite happy to be wrong. My Storm Eagles are happy I was wrong, as is my Kharybdis that I never field.

Rather than hyperbole like all fw will be gone that was known to be false from first is there any oop fw units there?

tneva82 wrote:
Rather than hyperbole like all fw will be gone that was known to be false from first is there any oop fw units there?

Not that I can see.


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 TwinPoleTheory wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
All of FW is gone!

Oh wait...that's not true.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/legends/

I'm quite happy to be wrong. My Storm Eagles are happy I was wrong, as is my Kharybdis that I never field.

You are a gentleman and a scholar.

Though I imagine Orks aren't terribly happy.

Hmm, sorcerer on palanquin is not in the DG-list, that's strange.

tneva82 wrote:
Rather than hyperbole like all fw will be gone that was known to be false from first is there any oop fw units there?

Nope, not that I can see. fething stupid that they aren't

So basically Legeds is just all the left over Index options? Great!

I will continue using my Autarch Skyrunners with Laser lance, Banshee mask AND Reaper Launcher

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oh boy maybe the old named characters for Drukhari will -

oh, no, nevermind. Just the ability to pay twice the point costs for a bonus attack on my kabalites and wyches.

Thanks GW.

I knew it was coming but having custom/scratch built 3 painboys on bikes I am sad to see them basically go away (most poeple in my area will not do power level sadly) also all of the buggies and wartraxx are now just gone. my 2 cutom mega armor warbosses I can just run as warbosses but they to will be hampered.

my 12 og big gunz for orks won't make good terrain liek the buggies btu i guess the crew models can jsut be ammo runts.

Theres no repressor in the Sororitas list either.

gotta love that dedication to no model no rules. They made sure the thunderhammer stays out for CSM, wouldn't want people to have fun with models that won't even be a competetive thing.

So... how long until ITC/ETC bans Legends?

Hmm - I don't remember Kyrinov appearing in the Index list, so I'm surprised he is in the SoB file.

Yet the IG file just has Rough Riders - none of their OOP characters.

What gives, GW?

Does Legends affect index options for codex units?

Can I still take dual autocannon venerable dreadnoughts?

I'm a bit confused about all of this.

Yes, it hasn't been moved to legends. Apparently they're still in CA2019 and pointed out as normal.

 Sim-Life wrote:
Theres no repressor in the Sororitas list either.

 Dysartes wrote:
Hmm - I don't remember Kyrinov appearing in the Index list, so I'm surprised he is in the SoB file.
Yet the IG file just has Rough Riders - none of their OOP characters.
What gives, GW?

The old IG characters had various unique rules and abilities. Kyrinov lost his a long time ago, he's just a priest with a stick. Plus they were selling his model just a couple of weeks back.

The implication is that if its not in the Legends entry, its a non-dormant datasheet. That's got some *very* interesting implications in the context of things that are and are not in these lists.

So you can all legends use in matched play? A nice day for orks

 G00fySmiley wrote:
I knew it was coming but having custom/scratch built 3 painboys on bikes I am sad to see them basically go away (most poeple in my area will not do power level sadly)

Points are included. Unless the options are considered good, you will still be able to field them. You just got to convince your opponent that they are doing themselves a favor by allowing you to take a sub-part unit and getting to feel good about it!

I was hoping that they might actually *fix* the rules and points costs for these units one last time rather than just putting the existing datasheets in the index into a PDF form. Oh well, I guess we can't complain about free rules. Time to go sell the Index Xenos book I bought.

 Dysartes wrote:
Hmm - I don't remember Kyrinov appearing in the Index list, so I'm surprised he is in the SoB file.

Yet the IG file just has Rough Riders - none of their OOP characters.

What gives, GW?

They just did Kyrinov in made to order, I assume that’s how he snuck in.

No cannoness veridian or any of the deleted DE hq's, :(

So while they say they will have points for Matched but aren't really meant for tournaments, that all but means they will not be allowed in regular games since inevitably the tournament suggestions are treated like Matched Play rules in the name of "balance". If tournaments ban Legends, then I guarantee the majority of Matched Play games will too.

Wayniac wrote:
So while they say they will have points for Matched but aren't really meant for tournaments, that all but means they will not be allowed in regular games since inevitably the tournament suggestions are treated like Matched Play rules in the name of "balance". If tournaments ban Legends, then I guarantee the majority of Matched Play games will too.

if my opponent doesnt want me to use my warboss in mega armor or my sister superior with a SB or my herald of slaanesh on steed they arent someone i would want to play with in the first place

So the bonesinger is now legendary apparently and costs the usual 70pts. Chapter approved lists a new discount price of 55pts...

 warmaster21 wrote:

Wayniac wrote:
So while they say they will have points for Matched but aren't really meant for tournaments, that all but means they will not be allowed in regular games since inevitably the tournament suggestions are treated like Matched Play rules in the name of "balance". If tournaments ban Legends, then I guarantee the majority of Matched Play games will too.

if my opponent doesnt want me to use my warboss in mega armor or my sister superior with a SB or my herald of slaanesh on steed they arent someone i would want to play with in the first place

Fair enough, it will of course depend on your group. Just expect it to be something you're expected to ask permission for in the future. It'll likely be treated just like rule of 3 in that sense.

 Dysartes wrote:
Hmm - I don't remember Kyrinov appearing in the Index list, so I'm surprised he is in the SoB file.

Yet the IG file just has Rough Riders - none of their OOP characters.

What gives, GW?

At least some units who were left out of the indexes are now getting 8th edition rules. Still, its a shame they axed rough riders, LoD, and power axes from a lot of units. Those filled important roles in 40k, especially rough riders who were the ig flanking unit and the only viable alternative to sentinels (which kinda suck and are expensive).

I'm just not sure what wargear options means, I assume those wargear options now considered legends? So special weapons squads can't take demolitions charges and DW librarians can't take bolters? Fair enough, I guess, it means you can't do conversions to gain a possible slight advantage anymore. GW is ok with not selling as much green stuff if it makes the hobby more accessible. I say that, but I would be kinda sad if they removed hand flamers as an option for my DW librarian, no more shooting fire from his hands (https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/314801.page). I'm sure everyone with conversions feels the same way. It's one thing to invalidate old models, but it's another to punish creativity.

Actually there is no FW there at all!

That either means that FW got once more NOT informed, OR that FW isn't on the chopping block.

I half-expected them to increase the points on all the units before putting them in Legends, to further discourage their use in matched play.

the_scotsman wrote:
oh boy maybe the old named characters for Drukhari will -

oh, no, nevermind. Just the ability to pay twice the point costs for a bonus attack on my kabalites and wyches.

Thanks GW.

Not even slight adjustments for Trueborn or Bloodbrides? That's super lame I'm sorry about that.