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AngryAngel80 wrote: I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
Lance845 wrote: The fact is DakkaDakka has 124,958 registered users. Of which 509 have voted in this thread. Both of which are not an accurate representation of the majority of players who play 40k.
Also an interesting factoid, Family Feud uses only 100 people to survey their answers for.
As a truly scary fact, the number of people who answer telephone political polls are usually of both a lower ratio and lower number than what you have stated here.
And not all who have posted have put input on the poll. I honestly do not know what my numerical answer is.
Are you a Wolf, a Sheep, or a Hound?
Megavolt wrote:They called me crazy…they called me insane…THEY CALLED ME LOONEY!! and boy, were they right.
Agreed. But presumably family feud selects their 100 at random from a huge populace that don't have any particular demographic to unify them besides being americans.
Political polls however are entirely biased as you register your political party with your voting registration and they access that information to contact the people they want to contact to get the numbers they like to make their point. Its why 9 out of 10 dentists recommend crest or what the feth ever.
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
Lance845 wrote: as you register your political party with your voting registration .
Only in America
Yeah, it's a incredibly broken system from top to bottom. But hey, lets steer clear of any actual political talk. That gak gets threads locked and people banned on Dakka.
The POINT is that this poll has no broader value about the social conventions of 40k players and what GW does in their ads means even less. The arguments that players should paint as some kind of "respect for their opponent" or whatever is a message spouted by those who drank GWs kool aid.
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
Lance845 wrote: as you register your political party with your voting registration .
Only in America
Yeah, it's a incredibly broken system from top to bottom. But hey, lets steer clear of any actual political talk. That gak gets threads locked and people banned on Dakka.
The POINT is that this poll has no broader value about the social conventions of 40k players and what GW does in their ads means even less. The arguments that players should paint as some kind of "respect for their opponent" or whatever is a message spouted by those who drank GWs kool aid.
AngryAngel80 wrote: I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
Lance845 wrote: as you register your political party with your voting registration .
Only in America
Yeah, it's a incredibly broken system from top to bottom. But hey, lets steer clear of any actual political talk. That gak gets threads locked and people banned on Dakka.
The POINT is that this poll has no broader value about the social conventions of 40k players and what GW does in their ads means even less. The arguments that players should paint as some kind of "respect for their opponent" or whatever is a message spouted by those who drank GWs kool aid.
Also if you hang out on dakkadakka you're a pretty dedicated player, people less prone to painting are more likely to be the younger garage players who don't hang out on internet forums (as it is internet forums are more a "old person's thing" I suspect)
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
Lance845 wrote: as you register your political party with your voting registration .
Only in America
Yeah, it's a incredibly broken system from top to bottom. But hey, lets steer clear of any actual political talk. That gak gets threads locked and people banned on Dakka.
The POINT is that this poll has no broader value about the social conventions of 40k players and what GW does in their ads means even less. The arguments that players should paint as some kind of "respect for their opponent" or whatever is a message spouted by those who drank GWs kool aid.
Painted armies are more appealing than non-painted armies. No kool aid involved.
Lance845 wrote: as you register your political party with your voting registration .
Only in America
Yeah, it's a incredibly broken system from top to bottom. But hey, lets steer clear of any actual political talk. That gak gets threads locked and people banned on Dakka.
The POINT is that this poll has no broader value about the social conventions of 40k players and what GW does in their ads means even less. The arguments that players should paint as some kind of "respect for their opponent" or whatever is a message spouted by those who drank GWs kool aid.
Painted armies are more appealing than non-painted armies. No kool aid involved.
Well painted armies are more appealing than non-painted armies. Paint does not equal better. Someone taking an airbrush to blob 3 colors onto some models so they can play in a tourney doesn't look better than the grey plastic. The examples I posted earlier do not look better. A blanket statement about what paint is capable of is foolish.
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
JNAProductions wrote: A Contrast paint is $7.80.
A Shade is also $7.80.
A Layer is $4.55 or $6.10.
A Medium Base Brush is $7.75.
A Small Layer Brush is $7.25.
All prices are US.
If you get two Contrast, one Shade, and two Layers (one of each price) plus the brushes, that's $49.05.
Well, before Tax, here in the USA that's more than a Tac Squad & less than a basic Primaris squad. So your point is??
Though you could save up to about 50% on the brushes depending upon where you shop/brand/quality. I mean, painting GW stuff to basic quality doesn't require expensive brushes.
Lance845 wrote: as you register your political party with your voting registration .
Only in America
Yeah, it's a incredibly broken system from top to bottom. But hey, lets steer clear of any actual political talk. That gak gets threads locked and people banned on Dakka.
The POINT is that this poll has no broader value about the social conventions of 40k players and what GW does in their ads means even less. The arguments that players should paint as some kind of "respect for their opponent" or whatever is a message spouted by those who drank GWs kool aid.
Painted armies are more appealing than non-painted armies. No kool aid involved.
Well painted armies are more appealing than non-painted armies. Paint does not equal better. Someone taking an airbrush to blob 3 colors onto some models so they can play in a tourney doesn't look better than the grey plastic. The examples I posted earlier do not look better. A blanket statement about what paint is capable of is foolish.
By now you should know what I mean, I've provided enough qualifiers in previous posts. So yes, well painted armies are more appealing than non-painted ones. We agree
Lance845 wrote: as you register your political party with your voting registration .
Only in America
Yeah, it's a incredibly broken system from top to bottom. But hey, lets steer clear of any actual political talk. That gak gets threads locked and people banned on Dakka.
The POINT is that this poll has no broader value about the social conventions of 40k players and what GW does in their ads means even less. The arguments that players should paint as some kind of "respect for their opponent" or whatever is a message spouted by those who drank GWs kool aid.
Painted armies are more appealing than non-painted armies. No kool aid involved.
Well painted armies are more appealing than non-painted armies. Paint does not equal better. Someone taking an airbrush to blob 3 colors onto some models so they can play in a tourney doesn't look better than the grey plastic. The examples I posted earlier do not look better. A blanket statement about what paint is capable of is foolish.
By now you should know what I mean, I've provided enough qualifiers in previous posts. So yes, well painted armies are more appealing than non-painted ones. We agree
And I have stated enough things to disprove all your bad arguments. By now you should stop making blanket statements that don't actually represent what I have been saying. Good looking things look good. And bad looking things look worse. And paint can make things look worse then no paint just as well as it can make it look better. Paint does not = improvement inherently or automatically. Regardless of which, requiring paint from opponents is dumb.
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
You almost have to go out of your way to make paint look worse than no paint at a half meter away or more distance. Havent seen any models so far that have been painted that would look better in bare gray so far. Up close sure but not on the tabletop.
Karol wrote: also since when spending hours on painting, and a ton of money on paints and brushs is considered a little effort. Basic 5-6 colours plus 2 brushs is more then a box of models for an army.
What the hell are you painting with, Unicorn blood and sasquatch snot?
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Am not sure what or who a sasquatch could be, but unicorns aren't a real thing. And I said before, that I have not painted a single model in my life.
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Klickor wrote: You almost have to go out of your way to make paint look worse than no paint at a half meter away or more distance. Havent seen any models so far that have been painted that would look better in bare gray so far. Up close sure but not on the tabletop.
So another words one has to paint models for other to enjoy the games, and the others enjoy the painting because they spend ton of hours painting themselfs and now they link painted models with value, because if they didn't this would mean they wasted time and money on something unimportant ? This is the tier of your aren't a real fan if you don't have the official merch . Not saying it doesn't work, because people will make fun of you till not end for having the wrong huawai. But we are step away from people with painted armies to claim a moral high ground, or something crazy like that.
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If you have to kill, then kill in the best manner. If you slaughter, then slaughter in the best manner. Let one of you sharpen his knife so his animal feels no pain.
Karol wrote: also since when spending hours on painting, and a ton of money on paints and brushs is considered a little effort. Basic 5-6 colours plus 2 brushs is more then a box of models for an army.
What the hell are you painting with, Unicorn blood and sasquatch snot?
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Am not sure what or who a sasquatch could be, but unicorns aren't a real thing. And I said before, that I have not painted a single model in my life.
Sasquatch is another name for Big foot, a mythalogical man ape said to roam the woods of north america.
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
Karol wrote: also since when spending hours on painting, and a ton of money on paints and brushs is considered a little effort. Basic 5-6 colours plus 2 brushs is more then a box of models for an army.
What the hell are you painting with, Unicorn blood and sasquatch snot?
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Am not sure what or who a sasquatch could be, but unicorns aren't a real thing. And I said before, that I have not painted a single model in my life.
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Klickor wrote: You almost have to go out of your way to make paint look worse than no paint at a half meter away or more distance. Havent seen any models so far that have been painted that would look better in bare gray so far. Up close sure but not on the tabletop.
So another words one has to paint models for other to enjoy the games, and the others enjoy the painting because they spend ton of hours painting themselfs and now they link painted models with value, because if they didn't this would mean they wasted time and money on something unimportant ? This is the tier of your aren't a real fan if you don't have the official merch . Not saying it doesn't work, because people will make fun of you till not end for having the wrong huawai. But we are step away from people with painted armies to claim a moral high ground, or something crazy like that.
You sure you quoted the right person? I havent put any value at all in that text you posted about non painted being worth less as a player. Last game I played my opponent had a recently 3d printed avenger gatling cannon in resin not even primed lying on his knights base, 2 of his knights had all the weapons lying on the base and no shields attached at all. It was a great game and i dont mind playing against unfinished and unpainted models.
But what I did say in the post you quoted was as too encourage people to paint since even if they arent good it wont look bad. Its weird seeing people mentioning really bad paint jobs like its a 50/50 shot if you paint that it will look worse than bare plastic, I have yet to see such an army even from 10 year old kids painting their first models. They might look horrendous from 20cm but on a table 1m away with 30 other similarly painted models they look quite ok. Much better than grey plastic. Its not like those who prefer painted armies demand Golden Demon level of painting or thinking their opponent should just quit the hobby. Its the non painting people gatekeeping themselves saying they have to have a high standard or it isnt worth it.
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Lance845 wrote: as you register your political party with your voting registration .
Only in America
Yeah, it's a incredibly broken system from top to bottom. But hey, lets steer clear of any actual political talk. That gak gets threads locked and people banned on Dakka.
The POINT is that this poll has no broader value about the social conventions of 40k players and what GW does in their ads means even less. The arguments that players should paint as some kind of "respect for their opponent" or whatever is a message spouted by those who drank GWs kool aid.
Painted armies are more appealing than non-painted armies. No kool aid involved.
Lance845 wrote: as you register your political party with your voting registration .
Only in America
Yeah, it's a incredibly broken system from top to bottom. But hey, lets steer clear of any actual political talk. That gak gets threads locked and people banned on Dakka.
The POINT is that this poll has no broader value about the social conventions of 40k players and what GW does in their ads means even less. The arguments that players should paint as some kind of "respect for their opponent" or whatever is a message spouted by those who drank GWs kool aid.
Painted armies are more appealing than non-painted armies. No kool aid involved.
To most people.
"Most" is enough. Most potential employers appreciate it if you dress nicely, so that's what you do.
Lance845 wrote: as you register your political party with your voting registration .
Only in America
Yeah, it's a incredibly broken system from top to bottom. But hey, lets steer clear of any actual political talk. That gak gets threads locked and people banned on Dakka.
The POINT is that this poll has no broader value about the social conventions of 40k players and what GW does in their ads means even less. The arguments that players should paint as some kind of "respect for their opponent" or whatever is a message spouted by those who drank GWs kool aid.
Painted armies are more appealing than non-painted armies. No kool aid involved.
To most people.
"Most" is enough. Most potential employers appreciate it if you dress nicely, so that's what you do.
Dressing nicely is a job requirement.
Liking or disliking something isn't against 40K's rules.
"most" is definitely not enough, at least if you're going to continue to claim that it's actually "all".
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Lance845 wrote: as you register your political party with your voting registration .
Only in America
Yeah, it's a incredibly broken system from top to bottom. But hey, lets steer clear of any actual political talk. That gak gets threads locked and people banned on Dakka.
The POINT is that this poll has no broader value about the social conventions of 40k players and what GW does in their ads means even less. The arguments that players should paint as some kind of "respect for their opponent" or whatever is a message spouted by those who drank GWs kool aid.
Painted armies are more appealing than non-painted armies. No kool aid involved.
To most people.
"Most" is enough. Most potential employers appreciate it if you dress nicely, so that's what you do.
Dressing nicely is a job requirement.
Liking or disliking something isn't against 40K's rules.
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"most" is definitely not enough, at least if you're going to continue to claim that it's actually "all".
Dressing nicely for a interview is not a requirement. It is a good idea to game the system and increase your chances of winning. Are you insinuating that there is a correlation between painting your models well and your opponent deciding to throw the match in your favor because you dressed your models up?
(Not you mmmpi, whoever made the bad co.parison. responded on my phone)
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These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
Poor hygiene is frowned upon. Not painting your models isn't. At least not with sane people.
I guess most of the poll respondents are insane then!
That's one way to interpret the data. Another is that painting is important to THEM, but not a requirement on others. Most of this discussion hasn't been about a person's preference for their models, but people's preferences for other people's models.
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Are you a Wolf, a Sheep, or a Hound?
Megavolt wrote:They called me crazy…they called me insane…THEY CALLED ME LOONEY!! and boy, were they right.
After reading through this thread, my conclusion is that it is an equally unwelcome to insist that a person paints their miniatures or plays against unpainted miniatures if they don't want to -- either way someone's enjoyment is being compromised. Having said that it's been thoroughly depressing to see what is ostensibly a major aspect of 40k as a hobby, though not necessarily 40k as a game, being broadly dismissed as advertising.
As an aside, in response to a post made earlier: the miniature packages may not contain any kind of useful painting guide, but there are plenty of painting guides and related hobby material on GW's youtube and community website.
Just to throw more fuel on the fire, I own and play Black Reach, and if I had run into it first, I may very well not have 40K minis at all.
Likewise, if it hadn’t been significantly cheaper to buy the raw kits and build/paint them myself, I would have happily bought the minis for this game already done (as I sometimes do now) and skipped painting and assembly entirely.
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nurgle5 wrote: After reading through this thread, my conclusion is that it is an equally unwelcome to insist that a person paints their miniatures or plays against unpainted miniatures if they don't want to -- either way someone's enjoyment is being compromised
As perspective on this point, if I have unpainted minis, and you (not you, specifically, nurgle5, but the editorial "you") find playing against unpainted minis to be completely unbearable, you're welcome to paint my minis for me.
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nurgle5 wrote: After reading through this thread, my conclusion is that it is an equally unwelcome to insist that a person paints their miniatures or plays against unpainted miniatures if they don't want to -- either way someone's enjoyment is being compromised
As perspective on this point, if I have unpainted minis, and you (not you, specifically, nurgle5, but the editorial "you") find playing against unpainted minis to be completely unbearable, you're welcome to paint my minis for me.
"Most" is enough. Most potential employers appreciate it if you dress nicely, so that's what you do.
Not it isn't, because it is like asking people if they would like to be rich, with a ton of money to the stuff they want. Ask how many people are willing to pay for paints and invest the hours to paint the army, and your going to get less people happy about painted armies.
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If you have to kill, then kill in the best manner. If you slaughter, then slaughter in the best manner. Let one of you sharpen his knife so his animal feels no pain.
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