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The indeces seem to be all but expended now, but I would like to use power lances and they are not covered. Can I use them for the points stated in the index or are the index totally gone?

 Luusormi wrote:
The indeces seem to be all but expended now, but I would like to use power lances and they are not covered. Can I use them for the points stated in the index or are the index totally gone?

They pretty much replaced the indices (except for the Forgeworld ones) with their Warhammer Legends datasheets

https://www.warhammer-community.com/legends/

These aren't meant to be used in tournament play, but can be used in other play (including matched play that's outside tournements not letting you use Legends)

A lot of these show the weapons options from old index sheets that can be used with current datasheets as well as showing some of the old datasheets that aren't in a current codex.

Thanks!

As far as im aware its still grey

Warhammer legends replaced a number of options

But there are still some equipment options that are index only

These are not legended but not having rules outside the index.

As usual GW intention may have been to replace index but not yet

Yeah, there are still options in the Indexes that are not in Legends. Therefore even if you are playing without Legends there are legal options in the Indexes that cannot be found anywhere else.

Well, they also removed the Designer Commentary on the Indeces choices. That arguably invalidates some of those not in Legends.

Audustum wrote:
Well, they also removed the Designer Commentary on the Indeces choices. That arguably invalidates some of those bot in Legends.

Maybe... it's a bit of a mess at the moment frankly.

As of right now, the Index Flowchart doesn't exist. This means if a datasheet amendment doesn't appear in the Legends PDFs you cannot use old wargear options (e.g. Grey Knights Librarians cannot have Storm Shields in any way any more).

However, full datasheets from the Indexes that have not been replaced elsewhere can still be used. AFAIK these are the Sky-Slasher, Tyranid Shrike and the "Big Mek" (a "technicality" since the Ork Codex only has "Big Mek in Mega Armour" and "Big Mek with Shokk Attack Gun" datasheets and not a "Big Mek" datasheet) datasheets from Index: Xenos 2.

What unit specifically were you wanting Power Lances on? They might still have access to them via a Legends Datasheet.

"Big Mek" is in legends, but it is missing the option to take a KFF.
"Warboss on Warbike" is missing from any other source though and its points are liste among the FW points.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
As of right now, the Index Flowchart doesn't exist. This means if a datasheet amendment doesn't appear in the Legends PDFs you cannot use old wargear options (e.g. Grey Knights Librarians cannot have Storm Shields in any way any more).

However, full datasheets from the Indexes that have not been replaced elsewhere can still be used. AFAIK these are the Sky-Slasher, Tyranid Shrike and the "Big Mek" (a "technicality" since the Ork Codex only has "Big Mek in Mega Armour" and "Big Mek with Shokk Attack Gun" datasheets and not a "Big Mek" datasheet) datasheets from Index: Xenos 2.

What unit specifically were you wanting Power Lances on? They might still have access to them via a Legends Datasheet.

On the contrary the index flowchart does not exist - therefore there is nothing to govern what may or may not be taken therefore it is grey.

I would continue as if the index flow chart exists until matters are clarified

U02dah4 wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
As of right now, the Index Flowchart doesn't exist. This means if a datasheet amendment doesn't appear in the Legends PDFs you cannot use old wargear options (e.g. Grey Knights Librarians cannot have Storm Shields in any way any more).

However, full datasheets from the Indexes that have not been replaced elsewhere can still be used. AFAIK these are the Sky-Slasher, Tyranid Shrike and the "Big Mek" (a "technicality" since the Ork Codex only has "Big Mek in Mega Armour" and "Big Mek with Shokk Attack Gun" datasheets and not a "Big Mek" datasheet) datasheets from Index: Xenos 2.

What unit specifically were you wanting Power Lances on? They might still have access to them via a Legends Datasheet.

On the contrary the index flowchart does not exist - therefore there is nothing to govern what may or may not be taken therefore it is grey.

I would continue as if the index flow chart exists until matters are clarified

I wouldn't. While technically a grey area, my experience has been that once a rule book has been replaced with a newer publication (Index replaced by Codex and Legends) AND said rule book goes out of print (Indexes are out of print), many, if not most, players consider the rule book to be no longer valid. Do whatever you want within your own gaming group, but realize that a large number of players believe that the Indexes aren't valid anymore.

U02dah4 wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
As of right now, the Index Flowchart doesn't exist. This means if a datasheet amendment doesn't appear in the Legends PDFs you cannot use old wargear options (e.g. Grey Knights Librarians cannot have Storm Shields in any way any more).

However, full datasheets from the Indexes that have not been replaced elsewhere can still be used. AFAIK these are the Sky-Slasher, Tyranid Shrike and the "Big Mek" (a "technicality" since the Ork Codex only has "Big Mek in Mega Armour" and "Big Mek with Shokk Attack Gun" datasheets and not a "Big Mek" datasheet) datasheets from Index: Xenos 2.

What unit specifically were you wanting Power Lances on? They might still have access to them via a Legends Datasheet.

On the contrary the index flowchart does not exist - therefore there is nothing to govern what may or may not be taken therefore it is grey.

I would continue as if the index flow chart exists until matters are clarified

The flowchart does not exist now, therefore there is nothing to give permission to take an index wargear option on a codex unit other than what is indicated in the Warhammer Legends datasheets. If it's not listed in Legends, there isn't a way to do it any more. You might be able to take full datasheets from a index that don't exist in the Codex or included in Legends datasheets, but you'd probably have to get permission now from an opponent to use them.

 doctortom wrote:

The flowchart does not exist now, therefore there is nothing to give permission to take an index wargear option on a codex unit other than what is indicated in the Warhammer Legends datasheets. If it's not listed in Legends, there isn't a way to do it any more. You might be able to take full datasheets from a index that don't exist in the Codex or included in Legends datasheets, but you'd probably have to get permission now from an opponent to use them.

Agreed.

Correct about index wargear on codex datasheets.

In the absence of a rule to prevent you using the index datasheets that have not moved to Legends they are perfectly legal though. It's still an official GW publication for this edition until they say otherwise.

 Stux wrote:
Correct about index wargear on codex datasheets.

In the absence of a rule to prevent you using the index datasheets that have not moved to Legends they are perfectly legal though. It's still an official GW publication for this edition until they say otherwise.

You have to use the latest rules, otherwise the game ceases to function.

In case of the warboss on warbike, the index datasheet is the latest one though.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Stux wrote:
Correct about index wargear on codex datasheets.

In the absence of a rule to prevent you using the index datasheets that have not moved to Legends they are perfectly legal though. It's still an official GW publication for this edition until they say otherwise.

You have to use the latest rules, otherwise the game ceases to function.

Agreed, but for Shrikes etc the Indexes are the latest rules.

Yup, I agree. I misread "have not moved to Legends" as "have moved to Legends". Index: Xenos 2 still has legal entries afaik.