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I've never encountered a kit with slippage or lines.
And why does it matter where the gills are? It's clearly not a traditional sea horse. I find people who get upset by the most inane gak have the least convincing position. There are plenty of eh models, but there are few companies that can produce kits like GW's top level and when they do you're going to find the pricing in the same bracket.
yes, but the size and resources of a company matter, as is the expiriance of the people working for them. It is one thing to sit me down and sculpt a model, and it ending up looking beyond bad. It is another if a company with huge resources and expiriance, is unable to sculpt humanoid faces. In fact they seem to be regresing a well bit. Because really ancient models like for example azrael look better then the new stuff they do.
As the gills examples goes. If you make something look like something, then it has to be true to the patern. If someone makes a tank and informs that the long pipe at the end of the turret is the tanks exhaust, and the actual weapon is under the track guards, people will call foul. No matter how fantasy the tank is suppose to be. Don't have to be a sea creature nut to see a problem with GW details anyway. They often slap them on to cover up the fact that their models look like cheap toys, a lot of marine and specially the DG stuff looks like that. Which against is strange, because at the same time the company can make realy good looking 1ksons or Space Dwarfs for AoS.
eh, how "good" something looks is very subjective.
I like the Fish Elves, and even having had it explained to me, can't think of the gills in question standing out as "wrong", and definitely not "bad". I've certainly seen my share of models that weren't for me, but often I can still accept the do look detailed or are technically impressive. Amalia Novalia (?) (their first plastic Sister) has an okay design, one I'm glad carried over to the new army, but I don't get why people like her model so much. It's so squint. It really looks like she's on a slope trying to stand sideways, like a boat rocking or something. I'm not keen on that model for that reason, but I'd never say it's a bad quality model.
There seems to be a bit of weird goalpost-moving going on here. If GW's figures are so terrible and unrealistic, why do you want to buy them anyway, regardless of how expensive they are?
Yes but the "seahorse" doesn't have an anal phin, it doesn't even have a single tail (it has three); it hasn't got any gill cover on its head. Its got a unicorn horn on its head.
It's clearly only VERY loosely based on a real world seahorse. In fact I'd say the only thing that gives it any similarity its its overall upper body pose and the fact it has a crest - I mean freaking heck its got jaws and teeth rather than a snoot face.
It's not trying to be a real world sea-horse, its a fantasy world one so its gills being in a different place isn't abnormal.
Other times I've heard people complain at odd poses such as on some of the modern four legged mounts. When in reality they are actually pretty darn good faithful reproductions of animals in running/walking motion. Just paused with a camera at specific steps that you might otherwise not "see" with the human eye (unless you already know the body motions to watch for).
Also I agree it is odd when people clearly collect and play and yet trash talk the product really hard. If you're trash talking a big part of your hobby that hard, perhaps its not the models nor the company but you. Perhaps its time to move on or re-evaluate things. Because if you really hate something that much is it really worth it for you to continue without re-evaluation?
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GW does not produce the "best" models. They have released many questionable sculpts in the last 4-5 years. Models covered in smoke/skulls/superfluous stuff copy-pasted from the asset library, dynamic-but-not poses, designs that simply make zero sense (Deepkin seahorse mount with its gills......... on its belly?????) and make patently obvious that the sculptors don't do any fething research, but run blindly with what they think looks "cool" or add detail as an afterthought.
Plenty of companies also make nice-looking models, without mold slippage or mold lines everywhere. "Some cheap nonsense which nobody had heard of it" is snobbery. And a Genetic Fallacy.
I've never encountered a kit with slippage or lines.
And why does it matter where the gills are? It's clearly not a traditional sea horse. I find people who get upset by the most inane gak have the least convincing position. There are plenty of eh models, but there are few companies that can produce kits like GW's top level and when they do you're going to find the pricing in the same bracket.
Because it destroys my suspension of disbelief. The belly is the softest, most vulnerable spot on a critter, and now the thing is breathing from there? Nature doesn't work this stupidly, fantasy or no. As I said, a world, any world, needs verisimilitude.
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Nazrak wrote: There seems to be a bit of weird goalpost-moving going on here. If GW's figures are so terrible and unrealistic, why do you want to buy them anyway, regardless of how expensive they are?
Maybe because I'm capable of looking at each individual kit/model on its own, and don't make blanket judgments about a company's many, many, many, offerings? Because I can dislike different models for different reasons, or like others within the same range?
Most of the 40k stuff is decent, at least the ones I'm actually interested in. I do find that since they've adopted CAD sculpting that organic features like hair and cloth look "off." Some of the Primaris look good, Admech is a great line, DW are sweet (especially for skirmish games like Zone Raiders) but overpriced per usual, etc., etc., etc.
AOS, on the other hand............ Don't get me wrong, I especially like the Sky Dwarves, but the model designers/sculptors clearly don't stop and think much when they're working.
A world needs a consistent set of rules to work with to be believable. Otherwise you end up with a fighter jet squadron appearing during the Battle of Helm's Deep.
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Because it destroys my suspension of disbelief. The belly is the softest, most vulnerable spot on a critter, and now the thing is breathing from there? Nature doesn't work this stupidly, fantasy or no. As I said, a world, any world, needs verisimilitude.
You're assigning some sort of prescience to evolution and it just doesn't work that way.
What do you think of this guy?
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Have you also ever seen the underside of a Manta?
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Or wondered at the sillyness of the laryngeal nerve?
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GW does not produce the "best" models. They have released many questionable sculpts in the last 4-5 years. Models covered in smoke/skulls/superfluous stuff copy-pasted from the asset library, dynamic-but-not poses, designs that simply make zero sense (Deepkin seahorse mount with its gills......... on its belly?????) and make patently obvious that the sculptors don't do any fething research, but run blindly with what they think looks "cool" or add detail as an afterthought.
Plenty of companies also make nice-looking models, without mold slippage or mold lines everywhere. "Some cheap nonsense which nobody had heard of it" is snobbery. And a Genetic Fallacy.
I've never encountered a kit with slippage or lines.
And why does it matter where the gills are? It's clearly not a traditional sea horse. I find people who get upset by the most inane gak have the least convincing position. There are plenty of eh models, but there are few companies that can produce kits like GW's top level and when they do you're going to find the pricing in the same bracket.
Because it destroys my suspension of disbelief. The belly is the softest, most vulnerable spot on a critter, and now the thing is breathing from there? Nature doesn't work this stupidly, fantasy or no. As I said, a world, any world, needs verisimilitude.
I'd remind you that at one time the duck billed platypus was considered a made up creature because of how many rules of nature it broke.
I get your point, but at the same time the belly gets used for loads of things, heck if we go back to the original sea-horse animal they have a pouch on their bellies where they keep their babies. It's soft and vulnerable, but also an area many animals will protect- we don't breath through our backs.
This critter just breaths through gills on its belly; it might even be that its lungs are built differently and its whole filtration system happens within the lung structure. This might mean that its capable of breathing water direct. Also I think we need a fish expert because it wouldn't surprise me if there are fish with gills in odd places and not always behind the cheek area
I mean, if you're genuinely concerned about real-world plausibility, I think it's pretty safe to say Warhammer, of whatever stripe, is perhaps not for you.
Nazrak wrote: I mean, if you're genuinely concerned about real-world plausibility, I think it's pretty safe to say Warhammer, of whatever stripe, is perhaps not for you.
Did I say anything about "real-world plausibility?" No. AOS-worlds plausibility? 40k plausibility? Yes. Spongebob is not remotely realistic, but the world of Bikini Bottom is consistent enough and authentic enough to be believable.
Nazrak wrote: I mean, if you're genuinely concerned about real-world plausibility, I think it's pretty safe to say Warhammer, of whatever stripe, is perhaps not for you.
Did I say anything about "real-world plausibility?" No. AOS-worlds plausibility? 40k plausibility? Yes. Spongebob is not remotely realistic, but the world of Bikini Bottom is consistent enough and authentic enough to be believable.
.... then go play Spongebob the miniatures game.
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
Nazrak wrote: I mean, if you're genuinely concerned about real-world plausibility, I think it's pretty safe to say Warhammer, of whatever stripe, is perhaps not for you.
Did I say anything about "real-world plausibility?" No. AOS-worlds plausibility? 40k plausibility? Yes. Spongebob is not remotely realistic, but the world of Bikini Bottom is consistent enough and authentic enough to be believable.
...but Patrick's mouth should be where his stomach is...
I'm keen to compare Gundam and GW miniatures side by side in order to see if we are behind or ahead. If we really are getting best stuff we can. I'm interested to see GW pricing to see if we are getting ripped off due to their monopoly. So far I'm pleased by what I had seen. I acknowledge that GW regional pricing is gak and I still did not seen anything which could excuse a fact that GW has erratic pricing which causes them to suddenly raise prices of some deals and to price others far higher than other deals they are offering. I still can remember when I saw Adeptus Titanicus bundle a lot cheaper on GW store and then it just went up in price for no reason. Eldar bundle is also stupidly priced. You can often see price changes when inspecting original prices at third party retailers. They usually mark identical original price of GW produce and when GW sneak price rise, those third party retailers rarely if ever update their own pricing.
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posermcbogus wrote: Ahh, yes, no surface detail. Because you refuse to do even a basic google search, here is the model that is cheaper here than a single troop choice for SoB. And it's LARGE.
No surface detail, huh? Beyond a varnish, and some waterslide transfers, that's the build out of the box.
Those pictures that you posted are mostly 1/144 HGs - a kids toy - with missing parts, and going off the hands, pretty old, while the larger ones in the back are very early 1/100 MGs - also quite old. Stop moving the goalposts. I never mentioned old kits. I specifically mentioned newer ones, that price wise came close to what GW decides to charge their fans, but those kits were cheaper than much, much smaller GW kits. And I never said GW sculpts were bad to begin with??? Those bloodletters are fine. But you're being pretty obstinate when it comes to recognizing that just because something is designed differently, doesn't mean it lacks detail. Precision is still precision, weather it be a bajillion skulls and pock-marks, or some delicious crisp lines and vents. To re-state, I am a fan. A frustrated fan, because I'm increasingly alienated by a company I otherwise really like, seemingly drunk on their own profits, continually jacking prices up. If you're fine with it, cool man, you enjoy paying $80 for a box of 10 ordinary space men in 3 years time, but I think it's unreasonable, and I'm bummed about it.
I'm comparing the newest SoB troops with a single kit from a few years ago. I've mentioned it in a few posts, but as you seem very eager to get on the high horse about being able to pay - baring in mind I said nothing about "I can't afford" and more "There are other fun things that are more cost-efficient, and these prices are just getting silly" - it's a bad deal. Just straight up. Specifically for me, and my region, but still. I can't help but imagine that there aren't similar cases across the board.
You yourself had referred to that scale, so I was using what you had given me. In addition, bigger scale models cost like 50 euros each at very least. You get an entire box of SoB for that price and it is pushing into price range of Lords of War. Model which you are referring specifically costs 90 dollars and some retailers have it over 120 dollars, you can get a greater demon or pretty much any single unit from GW at that price. As for comparison, this is the only picture which I could found and some of GW models also were very old. Quality of those did not mattered as much, because you were talking about how big those things were. Your entire point is quite convoluted due to hyperbole. You claim that 1/144 models for 20 bucks are better than GW models, but when I compare them, you suddenly start comparing far more expensive kits which makes your point about price quite moot. I do understand your frustration that GW had messed up pricing in your region. I wanted to show you that it is not unique to your region and at the other end, they screw up us in same manner for asking identical prices for regions who earn a lot less. We are lucky to experience massive inflation in everything which in recent decade closed gap considerably, but prior to that it was just as bad here as you are experiencing in your region.
I do not know, I still do not like pristine look on this mech. I also still not convinced that it has more details than GW model. GW usually cram more details per square cm than Gundam seems to bother with. While this look might look better to you, I believe this is due to cultural difference. There is a good reason why all this Japanese nonsense does not get popular in west mainstream and vise versa, western stuff doesn't hold mainstream appeal in Japan. I'm simply not attracted to Gundam models even if there would be a huge variety of them in my local hobby shop. I would rather build something more expensive from GW solely just for assembly and painting rather than do Gundam project. Sure, I'm curious about those giant robots, but they do not attract me enough to pick it over Warhammer miniatures. I'm more interested in assembling Tiger, Ting Tiger then it would be between massive Star Wars Millenium Falcon and some massive Gundam mech.
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"If the path to salvation leads through the halls of purgatory, then so be it."
Death Guard = 728 (PL 41) and Space Marines = 831 (PL 50)
Slaanesh demons = 460
Khorne demons = 420
Nighthaunts = 840 points Stormcast Eternals = 880 points.
I do not know, I still do not like pristine look on this mech. I also still not convinced that it has more details than GW model. GW usually cram more details per square cm than Gundam seems to bother with. While this look might look better to you, I believe this is due to cultural difference. There is a good reason why all this Japanese nonsense does not get popular in west mainstream and vise versa, western stuff doesn't hold mainstream appeal in Japan. I'm simply not attracted to Gundam models even if there would be a huge variety of them in my local hobby shop. I would rather build something more expensive from GW solely just for assembly and painting rather than do Gundam project. Sure, I'm curious about those giant robots, but they do not attract me enough to pick it over Warhammer miniatures. I'm more interested in assembling Tiger, Ting Tiger then it would be between massive Star Wars Millenium Falcon and some massive Gundam mech.
More detail is not always better. GW has gone overboard with detail since around the start of 7th ed.
I would rather spend $80-$100 on a Gundam than an Exorcist...........
Could you elaborate more on the "cultural difference?" And what precisely do you mean by "Japanese nonsense?"
Ernestas wrote: I'm interested to see GW pricing to see if we are getting ripped off due to their monopoly.
GW do not have a monopoly.
indeed, GW is not the only miniture game maker on the market. they don;'t have a monopoly just ebcause their IP is the most popular.
GW has monopoly over Warhammer stuff. For fans of Warhammer lore there is no other alternative than to buy their crack from sole GW dealer. For example, I do not even consider other miniatures to be nearly as valuable as of GW, because it has such rich setting behind it. It makes collecting your Thousand Sons all that more pleasurable then there are several books and audio dramas about Thousand Sons doing stuff in lore. Also, having matured and popular tabletop game is just icing on a cake. Miniature gains more value if you can use it which that makes their product better than some random miniature from random producer.
The issue is that Asian culture was as unsuccessful penetrating western markets as vice vera. I don't see much influence of it in our everyday life. In fact, seeing something uniquely eastern is still a novelty. Our movies remain heavily western. Our games rarely has any eastern elements. Music, entertainment. It is rare to see Eastern produce doing well in our markets. As for my local hobby shop, it is exclusively western. There aren't any silly robots. Board games, tabletop, miniatures, card games (with possible exception of Yu-Gi-Oh which is not too popular here) are of western manufactures. In order to get something truly eastern we have special shops which import your ordinary stuff as complete novelty to our culture.
This happens because we value different things in life. This reflects in what we like to see. A great example is Dark Souls. It is gritty, realistic combat. In order for Japanese publisher to get successful in our market, they had to specifically engineer their game to us. Why? If we like Asian stuff, why they had to consciously make product for western market? Vice versa is also true, why companies like Blizzard produce nonsense to Asian market at the scorn of their fans? Do you remember that fiasco with having no phones? Why product which is specifically tailored to Asian market is an instant flop in western market even before it was released? These differences in culture makes certain things to be more appreciated while others disliked. Further arguing and trying to convince other people that no really, those mechs look really cool is inherently inhelpful. There is good reason why those Gundam robots are complete rarity in Europe.
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"If the path to salvation leads through the halls of purgatory, then so be it."
Death Guard = 728 (PL 41) and Space Marines = 831 (PL 50)
Slaanesh demons = 460
Khorne demons = 420
Nighthaunts = 840 points Stormcast Eternals = 880 points.
Ernestas wrote: I'm interested to see GW pricing to see if we are getting ripped off due to their monopoly.
GW do not have a monopoly.
indeed, GW is not the only miniture game maker on the market. they don;'t have a monopoly just ebcause their IP is the most popular.
GW has monopoly over Warhammer stuff. For fans of Warhammer lore there is no other alternative than to buy their crack from sole GW dealer.
well yeah thats because warhammer is their IP. that's not a monopoly. a Monopoly would be if GW was the only company that made plastic mini's for gaming. the IP is a feature of GW's brand. and as it is 40k has FAAR more 3rd party compeition then any other IP out there. there are 3rd party sites where you can buy almost an entire "not space marines" army
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
Ernestas wrote: I'm interested to see GW pricing to see if we are getting ripped off due to their monopoly.
GW do not have a monopoly.
indeed, GW is not the only miniture game maker on the market. they don;'t have a monopoly just ebcause their IP is the most popular.
GW has monopoly over Warhammer stuff. For fans of Warhammer lore there is no other alternative than to buy their crack from sole GW dealer. For example, I do not even consider other miniatures to be nearly as valuable as of GW, because it has such rich setting behind it. It makes collecting your Thousand Sons all that more pleasurable then there are several books and audio dramas about Thousand Sons doing stuff in lore. Also, having matured and popular tabletop game is just icing on a cake. Miniature gains more value if you can use it which that makes their product better than some random miniature from random producer.
Monopoly: "the exclusive possession or control of the supply of or trade in a commodity or service." That applies to Warhammer universe and thus they have a monopoly for such goods. It is not like I can just go to other supplier and get an alternative. Warhammer is fairly unique IP and until recently, alternative models for their produce were sparse. For example, RagingHeroes are only major provider of miniatures which I know who started competing with GW for same stuff. It remains to be seen if they can provide new produce. I know one or two others who produces similar stuff, but from first impression, they seem pretty dead in term of new releases and competition. Only recently 3D printing is getting good enough to start competing with GW for miniatures. If they start producing duds, then we have an option to invest our time and money into setting up 3D printing and simply purchasing or designing miniatures ourselves.
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"If the path to salvation leads through the halls of purgatory, then so be it."
Death Guard = 728 (PL 41) and Space Marines = 831 (PL 50)
Slaanesh demons = 460
Khorne demons = 420
Nighthaunts = 840 points Stormcast Eternals = 880 points.
Ernestas wrote: Monopoly: "the exclusive possession or control of the supply of or trade in a commodity or service." That applies to Warhammer universe and thus they have a monopoly for such goods. It is not like I can just go to other supplier and get an alternative.
Er, yeah. It is like that. There are other miniature games. Many others. Whether or not you think they're as good as GW games is irrelevant.
What you're saying is the equivalent of "Ford have a monopoly on selling Ford cars".
Ernestas wrote: Monopoly: "the exclusive possession or control of the supply of or trade in a commodity or service." That applies to Warhammer universe and thus they have a monopoly for such goods.
No. They have rights to their intellectual property, just like any other company. The fact you prefer their IP to that of other wargames or miniatures manufacturers is not GW's problem, and does not constitute a monopoly.
GW has monopoly over Warhammer stuff. For fans of Warhammer lore there is no other alternative than to buy their crack from sole GW dealer. For example, I do not even consider other miniatures to be nearly as valuable as of GW, because it has such rich setting behind it. It makes collecting your Thousand Sons all that more pleasurable then there are several books and audio dramas about Thousand Sons doing stuff in lore. Also, having matured and popular tabletop game is just icing on a cake. Miniature gains more value if you can use it which that makes their product better than some random miniature from random producer.
As for Japanese and cultural difference, I will look into providing an example after lunch.
Plenty of non-GW sculpts for warhammer. I have even seen thousand son ones.
Ernestas wrote: Monopoly: "the exclusive possession or control of the supply of or trade in a commodity or service." That applies to Warhammer universe and thus they have a monopoly for such goods. It is not like I can just go to other supplier and get an alternative.
Er, yeah. It is like that. There are other miniature games. Many others. Whether or not you think they're as good as GW games is irrelevant.
What you're saying is the equivalent of "Ford have a monopoly on selling Ford cars".
That does not follow same logic. In this case Ford can produce Ford cars, but also all cars who look like Ford cars are exclusive to Ford cars. While it is often grey area in trademarking, it effectively monopolizes market for people who want something which look like Ford car, but doesn't like Ford offering for one reason or another. This is what GW does. It had a monopoly on Warhammer universe. I'm not talking that a third party could produce same or near same version of miniature which GW produces. I'm talking about third party produces something which would not look out of place in Warhammer world and you could pass it as part of universe. This is what we were lacking and only recently we got more producers who make Warhammer stuff. I'm curious that others remark as "always having". Other competitors have sparse offerings and seem pretty dead by comparison.
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"If the path to salvation leads through the halls of purgatory, then so be it."
Death Guard = 728 (PL 41) and Space Marines = 831 (PL 50)
Slaanesh demons = 460
Khorne demons = 420
Nighthaunts = 840 points Stormcast Eternals = 880 points.
Ernestas wrote: Monopoly: "the exclusive possession or control of the supply of or trade in a commodity or service." That applies to Warhammer universe and thus they have a monopoly for such goods. It is not like I can just go to other supplier and get an alternative.
Er, yeah. It is like that. There are other miniature games. Many others. Whether or not you think they're as good as GW games is irrelevant.
What you're saying is the equivalent of "Ford have a monopoly on selling Ford cars".
That does not follow same logic. In this case Ford can produce Ford cars, but also all cars who look like Ford cars are exclusive to Ford cars. While it is often grey area in trademarking, it effectively monopolizes market for people who want something which look like Ford car, but doesn't like Ford offering for one reason or another. This is what GW does. It had a monopoly on Warhammer universe. I'm not talking that a third party could produce same or near same version of miniature which GW produces. I'm talking about third party produces something which would not look out of place in Warhammer world and you could pass it as part of universe. This is what we were lacking and only recently we got more producers who make Warhammer stuff. I'm curious that others remark as "always having". Other competitors have sparse offerings and seem pretty dead by comparison.
and thats how things work, aestetic apperances can be copy righted, thats not a monopoly. there is compeition for GW. the compeition might not be exactly what you want and perhaps a lower quality grade, apperance etc but every market is like that. and yeah sometimes it means due to your finances you end up settling for a ford when you really wanted a Porsche
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
Ernestas wrote: Monopoly: "the exclusive possession or control of the supply of or trade in a commodity or service." That applies to Warhammer universe and thus they have a monopoly for such goods. It is not like I can just go to other supplier and get an alternative.
Er, yeah. It is like that. There are other miniature games. Many others. Whether or not you think they're as good as GW games is irrelevant.
What you're saying is the equivalent of "Ford have a monopoly on selling Ford cars".
That does not follow same logic. In this case Ford can produce Ford cars, but also all cars who look like Ford cars are exclusive to Ford cars. While it is often grey area in trademarking, it effectively monopolizes market for people who want something which look like Ford car, but doesn't like Ford offering for one reason or another. This is what GW does. It had a monopoly on Warhammer universe. I'm not talking that a third party could produce same or near same version of miniature which GW produces. I'm talking about third party produces something which would not look out of place in Warhammer world and you could pass it as part of universe. This is what we were lacking and only recently we got more producers who make Warhammer stuff. I'm curious that others remark as "always having". Other competitors have sparse offerings and seem pretty dead by comparison.
and thats how things work, aestetic apperances can be copy righted, thats not a monopoly. there is compeition for GW. the compeition might not be exactly what you want and perhaps a lower quality grade, apperance etc but every market is like that. and yeah sometimes it means due to your finances you end up settling for a ford when you really wanted a Porsche
Copy right law, is preciscly a monopoly, in theory on time........ it also serves to monopolize stuff and is especially in the case of the US prolonged and artificially lobbied for at the expense of the end user. which is also why free use on plattforms like youtube is dying out.
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
It is meaningless rhetoric. What other competition there was to GW until relatively recently who could produce quality miniatures and keep updating their offerings? I'm genuinely interested to discover similar miniatures to what GW offers and to order miniatures which I like more over what GW offers me. In my experience, it is rather an exception that any producer can manufacture something which could be replaced for Great Unclean One as an example and be argued that it is different looking greater demon of Nurgle. There is one producer who produces infantry units which could be converted, but that is not the same. I'm talking something like RagingHeroes where you could buy Sisters of Battle from them (or however they are called there) and could pass them for a Sister of Battle without modifications.
Though, from time to time I see killer miniatures from obscure third party suppliers which I would want to purchase. Other times they provide me with support miniatures for my GW projects. For example, I had purchased two pairs of maggots for my Nurgle miniatures.
Edit: I had found out a nice video about GW pricing.
Though, his explanation doesn't hold true. I need a lot of demons in order to get access to their most powerful abilities, but they are often priced as an elite unit choices.
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"If the path to salvation leads through the halls of purgatory, then so be it."
Death Guard = 728 (PL 41) and Space Marines = 831 (PL 50)
Slaanesh demons = 460
Khorne demons = 420
Nighthaunts = 840 points Stormcast Eternals = 880 points.
