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AllSeeingSkink wrote:

beast_gts wrote:
Legions of the Horus Heresy – The Salamanders Are the Only Good Guys With Flamers in all Warhammer

Did no one in the community paint the up the boxed set in Salamander colours or did they just forget to include the picture?

I wondered about that, too.

It occurred to me that the Spartan might be from that army and for one reason or another is the only thing they have a picture of. In which case I'm not too sad not to see an army picture even though that's literally why I look at the legion articles in the first place. That tank is painted very, very, and I mean very. So, so very. I think I'd have to put on shades before looking at an entire army like that.

Veterans of The Horus Heresy – Find Out Which Rules are Changing

 Gert wrote:

 kodos wrote:
but 30k is also more a gentleman's game, and people like it if a game takes 4-5 hours (kind of similar to some historical games like Black Powder, were you play your 3vs3 for the whole day and people see this as an advantage)

I can guarantee it is not.

I'm backing up Gert on this one. I love the game and its lore. Some of the players I've met have been awesome. But a lot of the HH crowd is just as childish and immature as the rest of the hobby, and in a few niche cases they're worse.

As for the time, when I last played HH (2019) most of my 2.5K games usually took around 2.5 hours including list building on the fly and set up/take down. It's really not that bad at all. With USRs being a thing, the game becomes a lot easier to learn than the mess that is currently 40K 9E with it's rules spread across 500 pages of paper in 30 different books and 14+ online only publications. Looks like 2E HH is going to be the BRB and one of the two books for marines (probably a different set of books for the other non-marine factions) and that's it.

Making a significant portion of the releases direct-only seems like a kick in the teeth to both customers and independent retaillers alike.

It's like they haven't got a coherent pricing strategy for the Heresy, the launch box price has been mostly praised, but the price for everything else seems way too high, one way or another.

Look at the boxes of special weapons: do they really have to charge as much as they would have done for hand-cast resin equivalents? I can't help but feel that they are shooting themselves in the foot here.

beast_gts wrote:
Veterans of The Horus Heresy – Find Out Which Rules are Changing

Article seems to suggest that Terminators can hitch a ride in a Rhino. Back to Rogue Trader ways indeed...

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
Look at the boxes of special weapons: do they really have to charge as much as they would have done for hand-cast resin equivalents? I can't help but feel that they are shooting themselves in the foot here.

How? Currently, you can buy 10 resin versions of a single Special Weapon from FW for £15.50. It's £26 for 6x10 of each Special Weapon for the new boxes.

beast_gts wrote:
Veterans of The Horus Heresy – Find Out Which Rules are Changing

Good view of the dreadnought upgrades there idk if that has been seen before. It doesn't look all that great tbh, details seems very soft. FW dreads still a lot better in this regard.

Is that doodad on this dreadnought's chest something new? I don't recognize it from the sprue pictures.

Could just be the paint job that's letting it down, those metallics certainly have no depth in terms of the paint.

It's suggested that it's an extra sprue that will be available with the Contemptor when it's sold seperately.

 Coolyo294 wrote:
Is that doodad on this dreadnought's chest something new? I don't recognize it from the sprue pictures.

Yes - we're speculating that there might be an upgrade kit for it coming.

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
Making a significant portion of the releases direct-only seems like a kick in the teeth to both customers and independent retaillers alike.

It's like they haven't got a coherent pricing strategy for the Heresy, the launch box price has been mostly praised, but the price for everything else seems way too high, one way or another.

Look at the boxes of special weapons: do they really have to charge as much as they would have done for hand-cast resin equivalents? I can't help but feel that they are shooting themselves in the foot here.

The special and heavy weapons cost considerably less than their resin counterparts. I mean I know you can prove anything with facts, but when one set of 10 in resin sets you back £15.50, but those and 40 other Special Weapons are £26.00, whilst you’re free not to like any given price, could you at least make your criticism factually accurate and rooted in reality?

Indeed, I’ve not seen many folk complaining about the Deimos Rhino or Weapon Upgrades, which let’s face are what folk are going to be buying most of.

Why let facts get in the way of hating GW? I've seen the price complaint about the Special and Heavy weapons repeated a few times in places and every time people either ingore the number of parts in the kit or refuse to believe the current FW prices are true. It's very weird.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
Making a significant portion of the releases direct-only seems like a kick in the teeth to both customers and independent retaillers alike.

It's like they haven't got a coherent pricing strategy for the Heresy, the launch box price has been mostly praised, but the price for everything else seems way too high, one way or another.

Look at the boxes of special weapons: do they really have to charge as much as they would have done for hand-cast resin equivalents? I can't help but feel that they are shooting themselves in the foot here.

The special and heavy weapons cost considerably less than their resin counterparts. I mean I know you can prove anything with facts, but when one set of 10 in resin sets you back £15.50, but those and 40 other Special Weapons are £26.00, whilst you’re free not to like any given price, could you at least make your criticism factually accurate and rooted in reality?

Indeed, I’ve not seen many folk complaining about the Deimos Rhino or Weapon Upgrades, which let’s face are what folk are going to be buying most of.

Price is alright, more on the special weapons which are less locked to the mark VIs. Them being not in stores seems less alright.

 Gert wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
Look at the boxes of special weapons: do they really have to charge as much as they would have done for hand-cast resin equivalents? I can't help but feel that they are shooting themselves in the foot here.

How? Currently, you can buy 10 resin versions of a single Special Weapon from FW for £15.50. It's £26 for 6x10 of each Special Weapon for the new boxes.

Sorry, I was looking at the missile launchers/heavy bolters set.

Even then it's still a better price as the Heavy Weapon kits are £16.50 per 5 and many have the annoying cables or ammo feeds you need to heat up and bend into shape. £26 for 4 times the weapons.
Weirdly, the Graviton Guns are cheaper than every other Special Weapon kit.

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
Making a significant portion of the releases direct-only seems like a kick in the teeth to both customers and independent retaillers alike.

It's like they haven't got a coherent pricing strategy for the Heresy, the launch box price has been mostly praised, but the price for everything else seems way too high, one way or another.

Look at the boxes of special weapons: do they really have to charge as much as they would have done for hand-cast resin equivalents? I can't help but feel that they are shooting themselves in the foot here.

We will have to wait and see. So far my LGS has taken in nearly 7,000 USD in preorders for this. And this comes from a store that normally sells around 1,800 USD a month in models. The price doesn't seem to be affecting sales so far...at least in our neck of the woods.

 Albertorius wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
Making a significant portion of the releases direct-only seems like a kick in the teeth to both customers and independent retaillers alike.

It's like they haven't got a coherent pricing strategy for the Heresy, the launch box price has been mostly praised, but the price for everything else seems way too high, one way or another.

Look at the boxes of special weapons: do they really have to charge as much as they would have done for hand-cast resin equivalents? I can't help but feel that they are shooting themselves in the foot here.

The special and heavy weapons cost considerably less than their resin counterparts. I mean I know you can prove anything with facts, but when one set of 10 in resin sets you back £15.50, but those and 40 other Special Weapons are £26.00, whilst you’re free not to like any given price, could you at least make your criticism factually accurate and rooted in reality?

Indeed, I’ve not seen many folk complaining about the Deimos Rhino or Weapon Upgrades, which let’s face are what folk are going to be buying most of.

Price is alright, more on the special weapons which are less locked to the mark VIs. Them being not in stores seems less alright.

How are they locked to the Mk VI sculpts?

Nomeny wrote:
How are they locked to the Mk VI sculpts?

They have both hands moulded on, whereas the FW ones only have the trigger hand.

Clip the left hand off and problem solved, the area will be covered with another hand anyway.

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

 Gert wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
Look at the boxes of special weapons: do they really have to charge as much as they would have done for hand-cast resin equivalents? I can't help but feel that they are shooting themselves in the foot here.

How? Currently, you can buy 10 resin versions of a single Special Weapon from FW for £15.50. It's £26 for 6x10 of each Special Weapon for the new boxes.

Sorry, I was looking at the missile launchers/heavy bolters set.

Check again.

Forgeworld - 5 Heavy Bolters for £16.50. That of course is £3.30 each.

Plastic kit - 10 Heavy Bolters and 10 Missile Launchers for £26.00. Or £1.30 each.

Quadruple the weapons, for less than 150% of the existing price for the kit, and a little under 1/3rd of the per item price.. So not even remotely in the ballpark of the same price.

JWBS wrote:

beast_gts wrote:
Veterans of The Horus Heresy – Find Out Which Rules are Changing

Good view of the dreadnought upgrades there idk if that has been seen before. It doesn't look all that great tbh, details seems very soft. FW dreads still a lot better in this regard.

I'm afraid I don't know which details you're referring to, it looks pretty good to me, nothing's immediately coming across as badly rendered.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

 Gert wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
Look at the boxes of special weapons: do they really have to charge as much as they would have done for hand-cast resin equivalents? I can't help but feel that they are shooting themselves in the foot here.

How? Currently, you can buy 10 resin versions of a single Special Weapon from FW for £15.50. It's £26 for 6x10 of each Special Weapon for the new boxes.

Sorry, I was looking at the missile launchers/heavy bolters set.

Check again.

Forgeworld - 5 Heavy Bolters for £16.50. That of course is £3.30 each.

Plastic kit - 10 Heavy Bolters and 10 Missile Launchers for £26.00. Or £1.30 each.

Quadruple the weapons, for less than 150% of the existing price for the kit, and a little under 1/3rd of the per item price.. So not even remotely in the ballpark of the same price.

Yeah, it's my bad for wording my post so poorly.

The point which I was trying to make (and failing), was that ten plastic weapons for £26 seems like ballpark resin prices to me.

That's just my perception of course, I'm sure there are plenty of people just like you who are happy to pay £26 for ten HIPs heavy weapons.

Did I miss the part where it was explained why some of the new releases are direct-only?

You're still not getting it though, it's not £26 for 10 HBs or 10 ML. It's £26 for 10 of each. And even if you were only wanting 10 HBs it's still cheaper than the resin ones from FW.

 Gert wrote:
You're still not getting it though, it's not £26 for 10 HBs or 10 ML. It's £26 for 10 of each. And even if you were only wanting 10 HBs it's still cheaper than the resin ones from FW.

Yes mate, I must be having a bad day

Twenty plastic weapons for £26 is still, for me, not a good price.

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
Yes mate, I must be having a bad day

Twenty plastic weapons for £26 is still, for me, not a good price.

Compared to what though? I just want to know your line of thinking because you've said it makes you think of resin prices and you've been shown it's vastly cheaper.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

beast_gts wrote:
Legions of the Horus Heresy – The Salamanders Are the Only Good Guys With Flamers in all Warhammer

Did no one in the community paint the up the boxed set in Salamander colours or did they just forget to include the picture?

The reason is hilarious. Sallies were assigned to some french youtuber and the moron painted them all kawasaki green with his channel logo on every figure. It's photoshopped off of the Spartan but they couldn't be arsed for a whole army shot.



Also I think third party resin bases.

That's quite funny.

Hah. Flawless plan somehow didn't play out as he expected.

Well that's certainly ... a choice.