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 treslibras wrote:

Actually, judging from the base size and if my math has not failed me, the troops are noticeably larger (30mm vs. 28mm head-to-toe, Haleth seems to be 32-33mm)

I assumed the new warriors use the same bases, and eyeballing them in Photoshop seems to indicate roughly the same heigh for the models.



If I got it wrong and GW really made them that much bigger, established players won't be able to match those into their collections, and new players will be forced to reinforce them with midgets from a bygone era. The only way it would make sense if GW suddenly decided they want to refresh everything in the range, and that's not happening.

a few locally have muttered about just sticking with the current edition and not bothering with the new one. may change over time but a fair few have a good chunk of the books

new models look decent enough, given how old some of the previous ones were (we have players with models older than themselves) some new was worth it.

I just hope its not just the stuff in the box refreshed and then off they go into made up stuff

leopard wrote:
a few locally have muttered about just sticking with the current edition and not bothering with the new one. may change over time but a fair few have a good chunk of the books

new models look decent enough, given how old some of the previous ones were (we have players with models older than themselves) some new was worth it.

I just hope its not just the stuff in the box refreshed and then off they go into made up stuff

Yeah, going from the Hobbit treatment it's well possible we only get plastic for things from that movie and afterwards it's business as usual. (Which could mean new Mumak and Haradhrim going from the trailer, which I'm not opposed to).
However, back in the day when the Hobbit was released the lotr game came out of a phase of being unsupported for years, while nowadays we already have realeases every couple of months. So... there's already a stronger framework they're starting from, maybe they can use that to give us a bit more. (New Goblins anyone?)

I hope so, its to my mind the based actual wargame GW do (as opposed to the very small group stuff let Necromunda), a vastly better system than 40k or AoS

amusing for this that have taken out the special attacks which the previous version put in, a rule that was basically optional and only really made sense in specific situations but has now been memory holed for all

it would be nice to get a gradual update, ideally models that do work well alongside older ones

Honestly I love the old monopose figures. I understand the limitations but I love how easy they are to put together and how easy they are to paint. They're great.

I also love Oathmark multipart plastics - just enough modularity to convert stuff or make characters, but still easy to assemble.

GW modern multipart monopose is really the worst of all worlds, and to my eye, at the tabletop, the difference in model quality is not really that great. These ones do look good, though very busy for the Wild Men.

But I think I'm an outlier here, and I've had a long time to get my hands on all the old monopose plastics I want, so I am genuinely happy for the people who want the range refresh.

Updated plastics, oh my!

While happy to see it (the models look nice; and I have always liked the Rohirrim aesthetic), I now realize this finally sets a precedent that does create more hope (and possibly disappointment) for updated Last Alliance plastics etc., even though I am aware that these are exceptional in being movie tie-ins, and are not directly comparable to other old plastics in that sense.

The Rohirrim look good, though I am surprised by the seemingly entire lack of any customization - not only likely lacking command parts, but building fully duplicate figures if the picture is not misleading. It will be easy enough to cut and exchange parts, but the picture implies even the shields aren't interchangeable, let alone heads and weapons, which feels like a missed opportunity.

The Dunlendings are fine, certainly miles ahead of the other recent barbarians, though I would prefer them slightly less shabby looking - even when poor and evil, you can still have a weapon that looks like it isn't too blunt to cut butter, or a shield that falls apart from a strong breeze. Anyway, that's probably down to the source designs regardless. A pretty cool kit likely further improved with some brighter paintjob and perhaps some different (possibly looted) gear. Always thought Dunlendings should be fairly sympathetic in theory, and a more complete stand-alone army (with plastic core troops) will help get them on the table.

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
Updated plastics, oh my!

While happy to see it (the models look nice; and I have always liked the Rohirrim aesthetic), I now realize this finally sets a precedent that does create more hope (and possibly disappointment) for updated Last Alliance plastics etc., even though I am aware that these are exceptional in being movie tie-ins, and are not directly comparable to other old plastics in that sense.

The Rohirrim look good, though I am surprised by the seemingly entire lack of any customization - not only likely lacking command parts, but building fully duplicate figures if the picture is not misleading. It will be easy enough to cut and exchange parts, but the picture implies even the shields aren't interchangeable, let alone heads and weapons, which feels like a missed opportunity.

To be fair that's always been the case with lotr minis. Easterling Cataphracts might be the only exception . Back in the day they said it was because of the license.

Yeah look the same height to me, but also that image shows just how well the new sculpts and old sculpts fit side by side. A rarity with modern GW, often the contrast in aesthetic quality between the newer mini vs older makes them unusable in the same army.

I was pleasantly surprised to see how well they mesh when the standard GW paint job is toned down into something more appropriate for MESBG.

leopard wrote:
I just hope its not just the stuff in the box refreshed and then off they go into made up stuff

The "made up stuff" line always amuses me when we're talking about a fantasy setting...

 Dysartes wrote:

leopard wrote:
I just hope its not just the stuff in the box refreshed and then off they go into made up stuff

The "made up stuff" line always amuses me when we're talking about a fantasy setting...

this is real damn you

*shakes fist*

Helm Hammerhand makes his debut

Er... is that a LotR model? It doesn't look like a Rohan character.

It's the OG himself.

Fun sculpt, definitely leaning more into the anime style than the other previewed miniatures.

I guess if you want a Helm Hammerhand and aren't a fan of the new aesthetic, best grab the FW character now before he goes out of stock for good

The movie version of Helm looks like a martial arts master, which is a pretty weird interpretation of the source material. GW's model looks a bit like an angry Santa.

Santtu wrote:
GW's model looks a bit like an angry Santa.

Yeah, my first thought was Santa Claus is coming... to punch you in the face!

Looks good, but interested in seeing more on the adventure side of the new film. I do hope that this is leading up to an awesome model of Hera.

Man, those new character designs really lost me.

Santtu wrote:
The movie version of Helm looks like a martial arts master, which is a pretty weird interpretation of the source material. GW's model looks a bit like an angry Santa.

Okay, this is all they had to say! I sold on him!

I like both versions as generic miniatures to paint for fun or use in something model agnostic, but I don't like either as Helm Hammerhand.

 Dryaktylus wrote:

Santtu wrote:
GW's model looks a bit like an angry Santa.

Yeah, my first thought was Santa Claus is coming... to punch you in the face!

Santa Hats are pretty easy to sculpt.

Voice of experience, Kid?

It's a little goofy but yes, I like murder hobo Helm

Even if you can kill a man with a single punch, you'd still have to be a real window licker not to bring an actual weapon into battle.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Even if you can kill a man with a single punch, you'd still have to be a real window licker not to bring an actual weapon into battle.

Spoken like a true non-warrior

IIRC Helm from the books did go around killing Easterlings with his bare hands.

I think he's a nod to Beowulf, who fought barehanded, and who Tolkien was well acquainted.

I don't hate the model but it's not quite what I imagined - mostly because I imagined him cloaked and hooded due to the bitter winds of the Fell Winter, and I would have imagined a more taciturn kind of expression on his face. Also not so old.

Well considering how he died, i can imagine him partly losing his mind and wandering out dressed like that. Also there's an armoured version coming.

Love seeing Helm but I don't love seeing only a non-mounted option. I know it's from a specific point in time, but I'm hoping we can see Helm Mounted and Unmounted pre-madness.

I know there's a FW mini already but I'm not a huge resin fan and would love to just get a Plastic kit for him like we've seen with other Leaders in Rohan.

Looks like I need to 3d print an accordion.