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warhammer community hobby bingo 2020

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/01/09/middle-earth-hobby-bingo-2020fw-homepage-post-3/

winner(s) scored 23 from 25 last time.

https://twitter.com/HobbyAsh182/status/1215545962850127873

Spoiler:


Heads up everyone, we are running a mini Middle-earth campaign in February at Warhammer World. Its totally free to join in and a great chance to meet new people to play Middle-earth







bit of a trek for a lot of people but useful to know maybe.

said genteleman has done some really cracking Hobbit/lotr scenery

see some of his pictures : https://twitter.com/HobbyAsh182
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It will be the Three Hunters Mounted, Ghân-buri-Ghân and his Woses Warriors, Serpent Riders and Khandish Horsemen.

Also a guide for matched play is announced.

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tneva82 wrote:
Mounted aragorn nice. But gosh that legolas face paint job(?) is lol worthy. Makes him look like old geezer


The model is good, (had it for ages). It's just the paint job in that pic that's screwed it. Not sure if i'll pick up the book...the completionist in me wants it, but i don't know if it will get much use. But i kinda hope that's not the main book release for the quarter.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10691872.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10691872.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10691890.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10691890.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10691900.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10691900.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
It IS a great sculpt though, seen plenty of lovely paint jobs for it over the years. Shame it's in a two pack though, already have the Aragorn sculpt.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10691954.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10691954.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10692015.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10692015.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Chikout wrote:
but the new one really is pretty awful.
I don't know that it is a new paintjob to be honest. If memory serves that was the OG paintjob.
That Legolas has been ugly for quite a while now.
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The FAQs are in their usual place on Warhammer Community.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10708850.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10708850.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Like changes overall.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10708882.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10708882.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
I'm not quite sure if the change to allies is meant to combat a specific problem. I'm assuming it is, as it seems an unusual thing to target otherwise.

Pretty relevant clarification to heroic combats too. You can now counter a heroic combat by calling one yourself in the same fight, preventing the enemy hero from moving further if you won the roll-off but died in the fight. Have seen it debated whether this combat should be considered the same heroic combat or not, but now there's an answer. More heroic sacrifice than heroic combat, but I like it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10709006.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10709006.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
I'm not quite sure if the change to allies is meant to combat a specific problem. I'm assuming it is, as it seems an unusual thing to target otherwise.


It's too address certain "cheap advisor" heroes being regularly allied in purely for list optimisation eg Cirdan, Alfrid & Lake Town Captain.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10709298.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10709298.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Baragash wrote:
 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
I'm not quite sure if the change to allies is meant to combat a specific problem. I'm assuming it is, as it seems an unusual thing to target otherwise.


It's too address certain "cheap advisor" heroes being regularly allied in purely for list optimisation eg Cirdan, Alfrid & Lake Town Captain.

Thanks, was thinking of Círdan (always felt he should have been a Hero of Valour, but the fact that he isn't comes in handy now), didn't know the Alfrid+Captain combination was "a thing", been out of the competitive loop for a while.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10709575.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10709575.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/02/07/middle-earth-pre-orders-heroes-old-and-new/

Spoiler:



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Grishnakh is an interesting surprise, prefer it over the original and Snaga looks good.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10710239.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10710239.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Grishnákh does indeed look good.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10710385.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10710385.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread Sculpts are both excellent though.

Grishnakh and Snaga are both fine sculpts. Seeing Snaga has just made me realise, that despite watching the movies an uncountable amount of times, I don't think i've ever paid attention to what he actually looks like below the head. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10710483.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10710483.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:
The paintjob on Helm isn't bad per-se. It's just sort of lacklustre. And they've used too many colours.
Sculpts are both excellent though.

Grishnakh and Snaga are both fine sculpts. Seeing Snaga has just made me realise, that despite watching the movies an uncountable amount of times, I don't think i've ever paid attention to what he actually looks like below the head.


According to the LotR team he's not fully shown in the movie and WETA actually sent them pictures of the full costume (that they aren't allowed to publish) so they could make it movie-accurate.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10710545.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10710545.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10710705.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10710705.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread LotR minis produced to date. Mad props to whoever did them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10710786.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10710786.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10711812.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10711812.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10711912.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10711912.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread Bummer that it isn't the full set of Mordor Uruks though. It's missing the limited one. But maybe they don't have the mould for that one any more.. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10711932.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10711932.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10712182.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10712182.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10713449.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10713449.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10722062.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10722062.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread FAQ.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/02/20/update-allies-in-middle-earthfw-homepage-post-2/

Basically ensuring it mainly influences the cases regarded as problematic, rather than a blanket ruling. In doing so, they did make Círdan a Minor Hero now, which I'm not a big fan of - from the onset, I feel he should have been a more powerful but more expensive character, and now the age-old Lord of the Grey Havens is not even allowed to lead his own army.

Here's hoping a future Last Alliance supplement, which is almost certainly on the agenda, will create a new profile and army list more fitting to the lore.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10722133.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10722133.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10722442.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10722442.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
The old one is "no longer available" online, and I believe there will be some announcements/reveals at the GT at Warhammer World this evening.

So fingers crossed ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10736026.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10736026.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10736029.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10736029.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Models for profiles in WoR- Cerbain, resin add ons to the plastic ent kit for the new characters, and probably the title of the next expansion (Angmar? Last Alliance?)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10736031.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10736031.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread


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Next MTO is apparently Rohan focussed.

EDIT:
"So. Seminar sneak peeks......
Rohan mto
Uruk battering ram
Ent metal
Unreleased gamling with sword

Best of white dwarf book
Alternate keeper of dungeons
Crebain available Sunday"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10736414.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10736414.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10736809.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10736809.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
That keeper of the dungeon is nice. Anyone know how big? I can't tell the base size.


Current version is on a 25mm base, can't imagine this one will be different ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10736822.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10736822.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10736871.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10736871.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10737042.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10737042.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread



 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Fun fact, he's actually an unreleased Perry sculpt from 2012.
When did the Perry's leave GW? Did they sculpt any of the Hobbit range?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10737241.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10737241.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:
The Crebain getting a release is nice. Not something I would have expected them to take the time to do. Nice minis though. Wonder what sort of rules they'll get.




 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Fun fact, he's actually an unreleased Perry sculpt from 2012.
When did the Perry's leave GW? Did they sculpt any of the Hobbit range?


The Crebain got rules in the Rohan book I think. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10737263.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10737263.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Fun fact, he's actually an unreleased Perry sculpt from 2012.
When did the Perry's leave GW? Did they sculpt any of the Hobbit range?
Sadly, GW stopped crediting their sculptors around this time, so while we know for near-enough every LotR-era set who sculpted it, that's not the case for those from the Hobbit onwards (though some of the most recent ones have been mentioned informally online). I vaguely remember it being said that the Perry twins probably did most of the plastics, but only some of the characters (resulting in some strange proportions on some of the latter). The only figure I know for sure is Smaug, which was Michael Perry's first digital sculpt, and his last sculpt for the range I believe.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10737271.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10737271.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X71eQops6mw&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR0w5Va12M0c82PvuAYvk3Esua46KA9-ngB226lgrHUDYUI1fSceCAiYmys]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10738115.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10738115.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
 Snrub wrote:
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Fun fact, he's actually an unreleased Perry sculpt from 2012.
When did the Perry's leave GW? Did they sculpt any of the Hobbit range?
Sadly, GW stopped crediting their sculptors around this time, so while we know for near-enough every LotR-era set who sculpted it, that's not the case for those from the Hobbit onwards (though some of the most recent ones have been mentioned informally online). I vaguely remember it being said that the Perry twins probably did most of the plastics, but only some of the characters (resulting in some strange proportions on some of the latter). The only figure I know for sure is Smaug, which was Michael Perry's first digital sculpt, and his last sculpt for the range I believe.


The Perry's did the Master, Alfrid, Bard on horse, Bolg etc from BotfA as the last minis (before Smaug, who was their last sculpt for GW)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10738561.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10738561.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10741092.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10741092.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10741123.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10741123.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10741126.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10741126.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10741129.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10741129.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
I have gaming uses for a bunch of single crows and two bonus dead trees, but not so much two crow-filled trees.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10741154.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10741154.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10741167.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10741167.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Thought they would be up this weekend though, but the wording implies it could be later?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10741183.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10741183.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10741190.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10741190.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Just as well, too, sounds like I'll need to be putting aside a pretty sum ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10741248.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10741248.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10741409.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10741409.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10741686.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10741686.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10750838.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10750838.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10750843.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10750843.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Psychopomp wrote:
Do we know if the Crebain bodies are molded onto the tree branches, or if they could be based on flight stands separately?

I have gaming uses for a bunch of single crows and two bonus dead trees, but not so much two crow-filled trees.


I have them. The birds are all seperate from the trees except from 2 single ones and one set of three who have a bit of branch attached. These could easily be removed though.

The rest of the birds come in a combination of single, doubles and triples.

You could definitely put them on flight stands but they would be very fragile and they are so thin. If youre going to put them in a cabinet or in a magnetic case it would be fine. A foam case would probably cause some breakages
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10750866.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10750866.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread Lotr but I want Heroes of Helms Deep, couple of metal Ents, Uruk-Hai, Warg Riders. At least. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10750885.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10750885.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
jullevi wrote:
Uh oh. This is going to be expensive Made to Order.
Ain't that the frigging truth. Luckily I stashed a little extra away last pay check. Hopefully it will be enough to cover what I want. (doubting it though)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10750896.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10750896.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
jullevi wrote:
Uh oh. This is going to be expensive Made to Order. I don't even play Lotr but I want Heroes of Helms Deep, couple of metal Ents, Uruk-Hai, Warg Riders. At least.


I’m rather tempted by the Warg Riders and metal Uruk Scouts too. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10750929.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10750929.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10750983.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10750983.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10750989.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10750989.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Bobug wrote:
 Psychopomp wrote:
Do we know if the Crebain bodies are molded onto the tree branches, or if they could be based on flight stands separately?

I have gaming uses for a bunch of single crows and two bonus dead trees, but not so much two crow-filled trees.


I have them. The birds are all seperate from the trees except from 2 single ones and one set of three who have a bit of branch attached. These could easily be removed though.

The rest of the birds come in a combination of single, doubles and triples.

You could definitely put them on flight stands but they would be very fragile and they are so thin. If youre going to put them in a cabinet or in a magnetic case it would be fine. A foam case would probably cause some breakages


Hmmm. Sounds like Crooked Dice's metals would suit my needs better, then. Thanks for the info!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10751500.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10751500.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10752319.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10752319.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread

On one hand. Dammit. I was looking forward to this.
On the other... The wallet stays slightly healthier. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10752324.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10752324.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10752337.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10752337.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10752383.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10752383.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10756406.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10756406.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10756423.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10756423.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10756434.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10756434.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10756453.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10756453.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
(I did secretly hope the silhouette of him were updated harauder horsemen for AoS but I'm not disappointed given the quality displayed here, bring 'im on!)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10756461.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10756461.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Scrub wrote:
Tied with scions of the flame as the best reveal today, for me. I'll be buying just for the modeling and painting time, he's a fantastic sculpt!

(I did secretly hope the silhouette of him were updated harauder horsemen for AoS but I'm not disappointed given the quality displayed here, bring 'im on!)


Foot marauders need doing long before the marauder horsemen.

It would be very tempting to give him the helmet and put it under his arm. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10756463.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10756463.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10756752.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10756752.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread

 Dysartes wrote:
I think he needs a third helmet, to be carried in his weapon arm...
I read this and thought you mean so he was carrying both his helmet and shield. Which would be a fantastic look.
But i'm guessing you meant so he was carrying two helmets. Which would also be a fantastic look!
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10756972.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10756972.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Really, it's a great time to be a LoTR player!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10757022.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10757022.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10757035.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10757035.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
I think he needs a third helmet, to be carried in his weapon arm...
I read this and thought you mean so he was carrying both his helmet and shield. Which would be a fantastic look.
But i'm guessing you meant so he was carrying two helmets. Which would also be a fantastic look!


Carrying two helmets... whilst wearing a third!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10757077.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10757077.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10757109.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10757109.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Dysartes wrote:
 Snrub wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
I think he needs a third helmet, to be carried in his weapon arm...
I read this and thought you mean so he was carrying both his helmet and shield. Which would be a fantastic look.
But i'm guessing you meant so he was carrying two helmets. Which would also be a fantastic look!


Carrying two helmets... whilst wearing a third!



You guys laugh, but it is a true leader of mortal men that takes traumatic brain injury seriously!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10757297.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10757297.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Dysartes wrote:
Carrying two helmets... whilst wearing a third!
I thought that went without saying?!


I don't know about anyone else, but i'm really looking forward to see if they do a plastic Gamling. I want a sculpted banner please!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10757630.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10757630.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread FW have added a bunch more. Surely its time for something else!?

That said, a sculpted banner for him would be ideal. What a nightmare it is.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10757675.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10757675.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10757724.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10757724.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Oppl wrote:
Can't see it personally. They've done all the major Rohan heroes now and FW have added a bunch more. Surely its time for something else!?



A refresh of the old basic troop boxes would be nice.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10757900.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10757900.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10758055.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10758055.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW has yet to do any new troop boxes after relaunch. I wouldn't hold breath waiting for redo's of basic troops.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10758211.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10758211.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Galas wrote:
Specially things like Rohan and Uruk Hai infantry. And normal dwarven infantry, they are some of the older boxes and it shows. Things like Morannon, Easterlings, etc... still look ace.

Plastic Easterling infantry is actually older than the Dwarves, and the latter are basically from the same period of time as the Morannons. The Dwarves are just part of a series of plastic sets (alongside plastic Wood Elves, Uruk-hai scouts and Corsairs) that somehow lack deeper, finer details that were present on earlier sets, or the sharpness of later kits. Although the Easterling infantry still looks good, the plastic cavalry released 6 years later has much better defined armour, more detail on the swords, etc. Meanwhile, the very first sets (Last Alliance and Goblins) have excellent fine detail on chainmail and faces (but obviously suffer from monotonous poses). No idea what changed in the production process in between.

Not sure if we can expect redone plastics any time soon when there are still quite a few metal and finecast sets in the range that need replacing (which appears more of a priority). One of the most requested candidates would be the Last Alliance set however, and as it happens that would get two birds with one stone as they could also phase out the metal Númenórean archers/spearmen and finecast High Elves with spears. Or they may only do the latter on a shared sprue again, but that would feel like a missed opportunity.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10758220.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10758220.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
But the helm under the arm looks strange. Why is there a bar in there in the lower half, for stabilization ? I hope we can get rid of it, without destroying the helm.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10758243.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10758243.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Galas wrote:
Specially things like Rohan and Uruk Hai infantry. And normal dwarven infantry, they are some of the older boxes and it shows. Things like Morannon, Easterlings, etc... still look ace.

The Dwarf Warriors/Rangers are some of the 'newer' plastics if I remember right. I still think that makes them over a decade old mind you. I also doubt we'll see any revamps whilst Grim Hammers and particularly the Iron Hill Dwarves are so new.

My guess is they'll start looking at Harad and the Easterlings again, since they're pretty popular and they can squeeze another 'movie' book out of them. Not sure if the loicensing of The Hobbit(tm) films would prevent it, but I'd personally love to see a book covering Rhovanion during the War of the Ring. They could slide some Easterling/Khand updates in there too. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10758352.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10758352.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Personally i think something involving Númenor will come soon. As there's already been mention of Anarion in the Armies of Middle-Earth book.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10758366.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10758366.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
As there's already been mention of Anarion in the Armies of Middle-Earth book.
I was actually wondering about that the other day.
I'd never seen, nor heard of an Anarion model. And yet there he is in the book.

I too hope for some more Numenor stuff. Plastic bow/spear men would be nice. Personally i'd be quite happy if they did another split kit. Elf spearmen with Numenor bow/spearmen. Complements the existing plastic Last Alliance range too. Then maybe some Numenor cavalry to fill out the range.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10758578.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10758578.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Would be nice for Rivendell to get some love there too.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10758602.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10758602.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Papa-Schlumpf wrote:
Eomer looks awesome and reminds me a lot of Elfhelm.

But the helm under the arm looks strange. Why is there a bar in there in the lower half, for stabilization ? I hope we can get rid of it, without destroying the helm.



A little fine scalpel work should be able to remove that I reckon ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10758724.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10758724.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
As there's already been mention of Anarion in the Armies of Middle-Earth book.
I was actually wondering about that the other day.
I'd never seen, nor heard of an Anarion model. And yet there he is in the book.

I too hope for some more Numenor stuff. Plastic bow/spear men would be nice. Personally i'd be quite happy if they did another split kit. Elf spearmen with Numenor bow/spearmen. Complements the existing plastic Last Alliance range too. Then maybe some Numenor cavalry to fill out the range.


Could be just future proofing. HH custodians have mention of Emperor of Mankind as lord of war.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10758873.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10758873.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
tneva82 wrote:
 Snrub wrote:
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
As there's already been mention of Anarion in the Armies of Middle-Earth book.
I was actually wondering about that the other day.
I'd never seen, nor heard of an Anarion model. And yet there he is in the book.

I too hope for some more Numenor stuff. Plastic bow/spear men would be nice. Personally i'd be quite happy if they did another split kit. Elf spearmen with Numenor bow/spearmen. Complements the existing plastic Last Alliance range too. Then maybe some Numenor cavalry to fill out the range.


Could be just future proofing. HH custodians have mention of Emperor of Mankind as lord of war.


I didn't think GW did future proofing by adding in entries with no model available?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10759944.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10759944.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10759986.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10759986.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Don't suppose it matters too much with Middle-Earth as it's not their IP.
Can you clarify. Do you mean it's not their IP as it belongs to the Tolkien estate, or it's not theirs because they lost/dropped it? And how is it relevant to them having profiles without models?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10760247.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10760247.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
 Snrub wrote:
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
As there's already been mention of Anarion in the Armies of Middle-Earth book.
I was actually wondering about that the other day.
I'd never seen, nor heard of an Anarion model. And yet there he is in the book.

I too hope for some more Numenor stuff. Plastic bow/spear men would be nice. Personally i'd be quite happy if they did another split kit. Elf spearmen with Numenor bow/spearmen. Complements the existing plastic Last Alliance range too. Then maybe some Numenor cavalry to fill out the range.


Could be just future proofing. HH custodians have mention of Emperor of Mankind as lord of war.


I didn't think GW did future proofing by adding in entries with no model available?


Not in terms of profiles but mention of entries without actual rules. As said there's mention of Emperor of Mankind as LOW for custodians so if/when Emperor gets model and rules there's no need to update custodian army list. He slots in just fine. ATM there is no rules nor models for Emperor. Just mention that he's LOW choice for custodians.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10760251.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10760251.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Spoiler:


I´m glad about the book, it looks like it will bring back a lot of life to the game with alternative scenarios.
And this two minor heroes give me hope that there will be more of their kind and someday even Lugdush, a named Uruk of Uglúks men, will get his own profile.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10762629.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10762629.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Ranger characters are very nice too, i've been hoping for a bit of extra ranger stuff.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10762772.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10762772.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10762774.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10762774.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10762781.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10762781.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread MT and they were the same size as the pastic rangers.
Or is Gondor free of the scale creep?

Spoiler:
In other words: "Where was Gondor, when the true scale fell?"
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10762798.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10762798.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread Here's a pic of them with Faramir and Damrod (not my pic) and i don't notice any real scale issue.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10762803.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10762803.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10762828.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10762828.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread FW or GW? I'm guessing FW judging by the paintjob.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10763178.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10763178.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10763181.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10763181.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread FW and painted by them but if they’re plastic they’ll be available through GW. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10763185.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10763185.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread FW as that seems to be standard for hero's like these.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10763188.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10763188.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10763198.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10763198.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
They started the new edition with excellent books revising and combining all the current profiles, but the books since have typically contained only a few scattered bits and pieces. While I was pleasantly surprised that Gondor at War contained some new toys for factions other than Gondor, we're already approaching a point now where an army can easily contain profiles spread over three books (e.g. a Gondor army with stuff from the main Armies book, Gondor at War and the new Quest book - and that's before considering allies). Add the core rulebook and that's 4 hardbook books for just one army; not practical to carry around and stupidly expensive to get into for a new player. It feels a bit Necromunda-y, where limited capacity only sees the release of a few miniatures alongside increasingly many books.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10763435.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10763435.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Arbitrator wrote:
 Galas wrote:
Specially things like Rohan and Uruk Hai infantry. And normal dwarven infantry, they are some of the older boxes and it shows. Things like Morannon, Easterlings, etc... still look ace.

The Dwarf Warriors/Rangers are some of the 'newer' plastics if I remember right. I still think that makes them over a decade old mind you. I also doubt we'll see any revamps whilst Grim Hammers and particularly the Iron Hill Dwarves are so new.

My guess is they'll start looking at Harad and the Easterlings again, since they're pretty popular and they can squeeze another 'movie' book out of them. Not sure if the loicensing of The Hobbit(tm) films would prevent it, but I'd personally love to see a book covering Rhovanion during the War of the Ring. They could slide some Easterling/Khand updates in there too.


One of the aspects I appreciated the most with the original run of LOTR through GW, is that they were able (to a certain extent) to blend the movie adaptations with the broader Tolkien world. Expanding on the peoples who are not that well covered in either, seems like a good move from a creative-liberty standpoint.

Though I can't say much about predicting the quality of any such ideas.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10763440.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10763440.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
Although the models look great, I'm not too keen on the idea of the book to be honest. I remember some fun fantasy fellowship campaign ideas from the past, but that should be standalone expansion with scenarios and campaign rules. To also include new heroes for Gondor (and perhaps others) in that is just very inconvenient.


Think this is first time in this forum I have read somebody wanting MORE books rather than "there's too much book bloat!"

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10763493.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10763493.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
tneva82 wrote:
 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
Although the models look great, I'm not too keen on the idea of the book to be honest. I remember some fun fantasy fellowship campaign ideas from the past, but that should be standalone expansion with scenarios and campaign rules. To also include new heroes for Gondor (and perhaps others) in that is just very inconvenient.


Think this is first time in this forum I have read somebody wanting MORE books rather than "there's too much book bloat!"


Eh?
I don't.
I want fewer books with more contents in each, and more importantly have those contents more concentrated rather than spread out. Releasing a few profiles for various armies in subsequent books serves only to make people require those books (and accompanying profile cards, if using those), while possibly not being interested in most of the other contents. These guys could easily have been in Gondor at War. The profile cards could be included in the miniature pack itself, so that people don't have to 1) purchase and 2) carry around another hardback book just for inluding 1 guy in their army. It's one thing for a normal supplement like the Scouring of the Shire 2.0, where there are a lot of relevant profiles for people collecting Hobbits, there are unlikely to be further books that are relevant to the faction, and the scenarios are all relevant to your army of interest, but another for something like this, which is focussed on narrative scenarios but contains (presumably) just a few new profiles for various different factions for use in matched play.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10763533.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10763533.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread lf they had to release narrative scenarios separately to new profiles that means splitting book into 2. Narrative and matched play basically. So you would have 1 book with narrative scenarios and another with ll's and new profiles.

You either have them together or separate books. Separate means more books

And if you want all profiles from diffeent supplements together this would mean longer time between new rules and models. Now we get new rules and profiles ever few often with models steadily. If you combine them then books every few year or two and longer gaps between new models]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10763542.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10763542.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread LotR the first time round so the opportunity to buy Frodo’s story in one book is great. Then if I want to expand with the larger battle that run parallel to his journey then there’s the other books for that. Excellent.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10763641.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10763641.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
tneva82 wrote:
So lf they had to release narrative scenarios separately to new profiles that means splitting book into 2. Narrative and matched play basically. So you would have 1 book with narrative scenarios and another with ll's and new profiles.

You either have them together or separate books. Separate means more books

And if you want all profiles from diffeent supplements together this would mean longer time between new rules and models. Now we get new rules and profiles ever few often with models steadily. If you combine them then books every few year or two and longer gaps between new models

No, because for example these Gondorian heroes could have been in Gondor at War. They can furthermore easily release a book and not have all the accompanying models ready immediately. Yes, people claim there is this "no model no rules" idea, but that hasn't applied to Middle-earth in more or less ever. The catapult troll from the Hobbit doesn't yet have a model, nor does Azog's signal tower, nor are there models for countless of equipment options (Forlong on horse, Théodred with any thing but a horse, dismounted Sons of Eorl, and so on). They can either release rules and slowly create the accompanying models, or release models with free rules (as they occasionally did, as with the first Iron Hills release, or the Mûmak War leader) and print them in a relevant publication down the line. Finally, I don't see any need for "my army" to get releases every few months. Indeed, that seems far less of an issue in Middle-earth than for the Warhammers, as many players tend to collect multiple armies and the costs and effort of starting a new one are comparatively low.

Again, there is little benefit to this system for the players. Ideally, you need one book for the core rules and scenarios, and one for your army's profiles. In addition to the book with core rules and recently a separate publication with scenarios, Gondor and Rohan will both already be spread over 3 chunky hardback tomes which you may have to carry around to play a game. And, excluding the scenarios as they're somewhat optional, that's 125€ for the rules for one faction, 170€ including the core rules. While I understand we're past the point where they can print everything in the game in a single book, for a long time it was possible to get by with the core rulebook and a single softcover supplement, after which you could pick up any model in the faction's range and put it on the table.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10763745.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10763745.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Personally i'm happier with quarterly books and occasional profile releases than a drought of nothing for months.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10763760.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10763760.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10765282.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10765282.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread FW resin? hopefully they wont gouge them.. the LOTR resins are quite reasonably priced compared to the heresy stuff.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10765364.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10765364.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread FW team" because I thought I'd posted it there rather than the WHTV bit. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10765365.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10765365.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread FW, I am looking forward to these Rangers. Guritz and Gothmog's Lieutenant were a joy to paint.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10765466.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10765466.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread FW LOTR resin miniature has been absolutely stunning and, as Eirikr said, a joy to paint. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10765833.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10765833.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10766000.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10766000.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread FW LotRs minis yet, but i'm really looking forward to picking up Elfhelm and Diorwine, as I really like the foot versions of both models]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10766017.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10766017.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
New collection of MTO's and the compilation book coming up. Probably grab Theoden, Gamling and the battering ram this time. Not entirely sure why Haldir's elves have come around for a second time already. But i do enjoy a good compilation book, got the original three that i re-read quite often.


What ever happened to this batch of Made To Order? Did GW put it on hold, or just cancel it?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10865802.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10865802.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread 40k for one. Gw is having enough supply issues as is(just see how in lotr nearly all out of stock) without this too. They could not fulfill it soon anyway so better not to ask money yet either. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10865833.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10865833.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread I want that bloody Gamling, if nothing else.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10866756.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10866756.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10866831.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10866831.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread lotr shelf, but I'll definitely order those.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10866980.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10866980.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10867002.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10867002.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW replenishes Middle Earth plastics. And if the metal miniatures are made in the same buildings, and they're still trying to socially distance workers, I can see the MTO being pushed back a long way now.
The reason I think this is because most of the Middle Earth metals I've been after have been continuously OOS since they reopened, which leads me to believe that almost no metal miniatures are being done currently. So GW will want to get the existing MESBG metals back in stock first, before worrying about having to supply a load of MTO metals.

 D6Damager wrote:
Just tried to buy some Far Harad models and there's only the Mumak and Mumak Mahud on the US site. Half Trolls sold out and everything else has been taken down. Impossible to build an army now. Was there any mention of plastics coming soon anywhere?


Plastics for Middle Earth? Not really a thing these days outside of terrain and new hero sculpts sadly.

Far Harad bar a couple of exceptions were rotated off sale last winter. There's every chance that GW bring them back at some stage, but that could be a long way off.
Best bet would be probably third party miniatures- Unreleased Miniatures sell a few sculpts, and then you could look at any ranges that have Zulu or warrior tribe type lines and convert those as proxies.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10867073.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10867073.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10867133.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10867133.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 D6Damager wrote:
Just tried to buy some Far Harad models and there's only the Mumak and Mumak Mahud on the US site. Half Trolls sold out and everything else has been taken down. Impossible to build an army now. Was there any mention of plastics coming soon anywhere?
As Elevenses referred to, there is a bit of a rotation system going on. Apparently, they're limited in how many product codes they can have in production, which is for example why they've been repackaging some kits to combine various blisters into one. They're also switching some kits out of productions and bringing others back in, which is how the Far Harad ones were temporarily dropped some time ago. Doesn't so much mean they will have upcoming new models; more that they're not related to any current supplements or things they're focussing on. They've also done some Made-to-Order models specifically to get them into players hands without fully bringing them back into production. Best bet at the moment is to hope for one of those, or the return of the range when they're rotated back in. Wouldn't hold my breath for either, though...

As for plastics... well, there was a time any new plastics seemed impossible - they only did the Lake-town set because it was almost wholly created earlier. Now, there is more new scenery and new plastic character sculpts. Perhaps they'll do new troops again too... one day. Also not holding my breath for that though!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10867343.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10867343.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW did a lot of new plastic kit during the last year (mainly heroes and scenery as someone said) while new troop where produced by Forge World. So lot of new products for this line proving in could sell well. Clearly 40k takes precedence but I am sure we will see news soon and maybe far Harad will be available again when a new supplement will see the light.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10867370.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10867370.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread Tbh, in terms of plastic troop kits, I don't think we are likely to see until any a possible Games Workshop/Amazon 2nd Age Series joint venture.
The most likely plastic troop kits for the current license IMO would be if Games Workshop revisited the Last Alliance- Rivendell & Numenor could really do with fresh sculpts and new options. Plus Anarion is mentioned in the Armies of LOTR book for Isildur's profile IIRC, so I feel like the Middle Earth team would definitely like to make a supplement for it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10867407.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10867407.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/08/16/sunday-preview-snotlings-on-the-pitch-blades-in-the-underhive/]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10900598.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10900598.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10900820.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10900820.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread Eomer!"

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10901357.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10901357.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10905338.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10905338.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10905344.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10905344.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread FW next week, apparently.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10919541.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10919541.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10919556.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10919556.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Dysartes wrote:
A pair of new Ranger heroes going to pre-order on FW next week, apparently.


Perfect, finally!
I am halfway through a box of Rangers, these may be the capstone to the project.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10919601.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10919601.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread They seem rather fun and nicely done, should be fun to add to a ranger force.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10922556.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10922556.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Also, I don't know why but the bit in "Evolution" where Seann William Scott, Orlando Jones, and David Duchovony are hunting a weird alien critter through a mall immediately sprang to mind from the "Birdcalls" rule.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10922562.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10922562.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Kanluwen wrote:
I must have those models.

Also, I don't know why but the bit in "Evolution" where Seann William Scott, Orlando Jones, and David Duchovony are hunting a weird alien critter through a mall immediately sprang to mind from the "Birdcalls" rule.


“Ca-Caw!”]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10922617.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10922617.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/09/12/the-codex-show/

Also the old Moria scenery getting re-released which is surprising. Was kind of hoping for the MTO to have come back with this however.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10925414.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10925414.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
By the way, link should be: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/09/13/sunday-preview-an-arena-of-death-and-an-epic-quest/]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10925439.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10925439.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
I got all excited for a quick second thinking they'd release some cool new terrain. It is nice to see these available again, but yeah, the price tag will be interesting. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10925790.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10925790.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10925989.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10925989.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/09/14/quest-of-the-ringbearer-what-you-need-to-know/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Facebook&utm_campaign=WTV&utm_content=WTVLOTR14Sep20&fbclid=IwAR3zNzBo1rakBogdPwfs2lsxp9Y1-3lbbpb2UpkSdM8Vr8jx8s01BG8N3IU]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10926494.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10926494.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Barliman Butterbur and Harry Goatleaf
Now those are some welcome additions to the line!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10926736.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10926736.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/09/14/quest-of-the-ringbearer-what-you-need-to-know/

More infos about the supplement. Seems very interesting!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10926914.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10926914.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
They posted this on Facebook. It's just one of the Legendary Legion bonuses for Lurtz's Scouts.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10927702.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10927702.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10927727.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10927727.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10927732.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10927732.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Kanluwen wrote:
Can't answer definitively, but it's likely something along the lines of Woodland Scenic's clump foilage.


Thanks Kanluwen, I'll take a look tomorrow morning.
Whomever creates the terrain for the Middle-Earth team at GW does a fabulous job.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10928090.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10928090.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Hopefully it's a general release that can be got for 20% off I'd pick up 2 at £12 each.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10928248.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10928248.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10928264.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10928264.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 DaveC wrote:
$25, £15 for the Mines of Moria Terrain.

Hopefully it's a general release that can be got for 20% off I'd pick up 2 at £12 each.

Is the book $50 or $40?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10928268.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10928268.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Kanluwen wrote:
 DaveC wrote:
$25, £15 for the Mines of Moria Terrain.

Hopefully it's a general release that can be got for 20% off I'd pick up 2 at £12 each.

Is the book $50 or $40?


$50

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Yeah those ME pictures are lovely!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10928505.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10928505.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10928623.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10928623.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10929016.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10929016.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10929026.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10929026.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread love it!
I hope Bob and Nob aren't too far off!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10929045.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10929045.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10930177.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10930177.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
We need more peasants! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10930203.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10930203.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
What's this? A gentleman with a lamp? And some possible new scenery hidden in plain view?


The guy that got ran over by nazguls in bree. Second character that was unrevealed.

Hoping for terrain!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10930207.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10930207.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10930243.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10930243.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
tneva82 wrote:
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
What's this? A gentleman with a lamp? And some possible new scenery hidden in plain view?


The guy that got ran over by nazguls in bree. Second character that was unrevealed.

Hoping for terrain!


Yes, in the films he was the gatekeeper at Bree who was overrun by the Nazgul.
In the literature, he is Harry Goatleaf and he is also the gatekeeper at the West-gate of Bree. It is heavily implied that he has been coerced by the Nazgul in to acting against the four Hobbits as they pass through Bree. After the destruction of the Ring and the Fellowship's inevitable breakup, he takes up arms against the Men of Bree with the Southrons who are acting on Saruman's petty revenge. I hope Bob and Nob make an appearance too, I quite like this little characters being made available.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10930284.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10930284.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Eiríkr wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
What's this? A gentleman with a lamp? And some possible new scenery hidden in plain view?


The guy that got ran over by nazguls in bree. Second character that was unrevealed.

Hoping for terrain!


Yes, in the films he was the gatekeeper at Bree who was overrun by the Nazgul.
In the literature, he is Harry Goatleaf and he is also the gatekeeper at the West-gate of Bree. It is heavily implied that he has been coerced by the Nazgul in to acting against the four Hobbits as they pass through Bree. After the destruction of the Ring and the Fellowship's inevitable breakup, he takes up arms against the Men of Bree with the Southrons who are acting on Saruman's petty revenge. I hope Bob and Nob make an appearance too, I quite like this little characters being made available.


That does bring up an interesting question of which list he'll belong too. Becoming part of the ruffians perhaps?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10930297.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10930297.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
 Eiríkr wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
What's this? A gentleman with a lamp? And some possible new scenery hidden in plain view?


The guy that got ran over by nazguls in bree. Second character that was unrevealed.

Hoping for terrain!


Yes, in the films he was the gatekeeper at Bree who was overrun by the Nazgul.
In the literature, he is Harry Goatleaf and he is also the gatekeeper at the West-gate of Bree. It is heavily implied that he has been coerced by the Nazgul in to acting against the four Hobbits as they pass through Bree. After the destruction of the Ring and the Fellowship's inevitable breakup, he takes up arms against the Men of Bree with the Southrons who are acting on Saruman's petty revenge. I hope Bob and Nob make an appearance too, I quite like this little characters being made available.


That does bring up an interesting question of which list he'll belong too. Becoming part of the ruffians perhaps?



The other two characters proved a lot of fun to write – Harry Goatleaf, the gatekeeper of Bree, and the jolly, yet forgetful, Barliman Butterbur! Both of these characters feature in the Nazgûl in Bree Scenario, but are also classed as Wanderers in the Wild for Matched Play. They can be used in many army lists, though both thrive when taken alongside the Fellowship, particularly Barliman Butterbur. Harry Goatleaf can also be taken as an Evil model in the Sharkey’s Rogues army list or The Chief’s Ruffians Legendary Legion – after all, he does side with Saruman in the books.
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]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10938129.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10938129.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10938225.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10938225.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread I just get redirected to the same page: https://www.games-workshop.com/de-DE/Middle-earth-Quest-of-the-Ringbearer-Short-Form-PDF-DE-2020.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10939002.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10939002.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:
Has there been any word on that MtO? I don't keep up with WarCom, so I don't know if they've mentioned it again at all.



There has not been...but they haven't outright denied it ever happening.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10939006.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10939006.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10939025.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10939025.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10939044.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10939044.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10939068.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10939068.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10940735.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10940735.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Nice model. Though I think I like his slightly dumpy older sculpt a bit more. (Not that you can ever find it for a reasonable price... )]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10941203.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10941203.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10941456.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10941456.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Surprised that they didn't just bring back the Bill the pony & Sam metal blister posted above though!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10941467.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10941467.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Papa-Schlumpf wrote:
Can any of you download the German abridged version of the new quest book?
I just get redirected to the same page: https://www.games-workshop.com/de-DE/Middle-earth-Quest-of-the-Ringbearer-Short-Form-PDF-DE-2020.


Same here...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10941648.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10941648.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
The Personalities of Bree box from Forge World. Preorders on the 10th, releasing on the 17th.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10945605.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10945605.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10945610.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10945610.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10945642.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10945642.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10950789.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10950789.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW have ever produced good looking giant bat creatures?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10962832.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10962832.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
They certainly look pretty promising; probably even more so when painted in less fleshy tones (although this certainly makes them look creepier...).

From Facebook somewhere I take it (as I can't find any mention and further info on Warhammer Community)?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10962837.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10962837.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I do enjoy surprises, don't you? On the flip side, the first time GW have ever produced good looking giant bat creatures?


Vargulf is offended. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10962893.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10962893.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10962896.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10962896.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I do enjoy surprises, don't you? On the flip side, the first time GW have ever produced good looking giant bat creatures?


Vargulf is offended.
Well, if you're named after a wolf not once, but even twice (if I'm not mistaken, both vargr and úlfr mean wolf in Old Norse, with similar words in modern Norwegian and Swedish), can you really consider yourself a bat? Never understood that name, though it may make more sense following some other etymology.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10962906.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10962906.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10963332.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10963332.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10963405.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10963405.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread For once, I feel like an offering from ME looks terrible. I'm struggling...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10963407.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10963407.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread loving these. I wouldn't go so far as to say they're terrible, but I'd not be sorry to miss out on them. I haven't seen any of the Hobbit movies in full, so I can't comment on how true the likeness is. I'd like different angles though.

The bases however are quite nice.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10963600.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10963600.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
I would rate them as "meh", but I like the ruins they are on ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10963629.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10963629.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Slinky wrote:
I don't remember them from the films - Are they already in the army list?


Yes and yes. Legolas does some ninjitsu to kill one as part of the finale up in the ice.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10963741.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10963741.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
I wonder if this means more Hobbit on the horizon? A revisited book like Ringbearer? ''Bilbo's journey'', or ''Mission to Erebor''?
There are still lots of models from those movies to release.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10963779.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10963779.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Slinky wrote:I don't remember them from the films - Are they already in the army list?
Can't say I remember exactly how they looked in the film and whether they had the same elongated snouts, but there were definitely big bat creatures. But yes, they already have rules, just no models to represent them (until now).
LiftForSwift wrote:I wonder if this means more Hobbit on the horizon? A revisited book like Ringbearer? ''Bilbo's journey'', or ''Mission to Erebor''?
There are still lots of models from those movies to release.
And the above means there is no need for these to necessarily tie in to any new book, as they're still filling in gaps in the range from previous ones. Perhaps there will be more Hobbit things alongside this release, maybe they just make and release these gap-fillers in between other projects. What else is missing? The main ones I can think of are pretty large, and the second of which so much so I'm not even sure what they would do in terms of creating a (vaguely affordable) model: the catapult troll and Azog's signal tower. (Not that being vaguely affordable is necessarily something GW/FW cares about too much, but from a commercial point of view they would still want a niche figure in a niche army in a niche range to make back its cost to produce.)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10963791.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10963791.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10963820.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10963820.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Kanluwen wrote:
We could see a starter for Hobbit.


There already was one so perhaps they could re-release it?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10963826.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10963826.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10963838.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10963838.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
gilljoy wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
We could see a starter for Hobbit.


There already was one so perhaps they could re-release it?

Why would they? Everything that was in it is available.
Also, it supposedly was one of their worst starters for sales. Which kinda makes sense since it was for the Goblintown bit of the movie only. A starter built around the Battle of Moria with the dwarfs and orcs would likely have been more interesting.

Not gonna lie, if I had to hope against hope against hope for anything...it would be a new Battle of the Last Alliance box, with new Numenorean and High Elf models as the centerpiece.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10963846.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10963846.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm sure they have plenty of "Limited Edition" Radagasts they still need to offload.


You can throw sarcasm around all you want, but that's actually a very sought after model now.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10963900.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10963900.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Kanluwen wrote:

Not gonna lie, if I had to hope against hope against hope for anything...it would be a new Battle of the Last Alliance box, with new Numenorean and High Elf models as the centerpiece.


We're all sitting around waiting to see if GW has anything to do with the new Amazon series. If it's set in the Second Age like Amazon said, it'd be perfect to get new Numenorean and High Elf models. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10963905.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10963905.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/11/15/sunday-preview-half-time-on-the-gridiron/

Although, not sure if it's still an MTO. Can't see any mention of it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10985227.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10985227.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Looks like the MTO from before the virus is finally back. https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/11/15/sunday-preview-half-time-on-the-gridiron/

Although, not sure if it's still an MTO. Can't see any mention of it.


Doesn't look like an MTO - "There’s no pre-order window on these kits, they’re available right from next Saturday. Act quickly though, as there are a limited number of each so they’re sure to sell out fast."]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10985229.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10985229.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10985230.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10985230.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10985232.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10985232.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Rather unfortunate. Don't know how it's going to be allocated, hopefully being in Australia gives me a fair chance to get what I wanted.

EDIT: Missed the Ent in the text, apparently I have a very image based reading comprehension. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10985238.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10985238.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
That said it doesn't appear to be a Made to Order event, so I presume these are just being added back into the range for the time being?
If that's the case, hopefully they don't remove anything from the range at the same time!

Edit: ah, "be sure to get them whilst stocks last" in the preview video. Great....]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10985262.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10985262.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10985370.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10985370.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Disapointed that these are not going MTO as will be a scrabble to get the items before they sell out.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10985374.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10985374.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Mentlegen324 wrote:
Am I thinking of a different miniature, or was that Gimli on Uruk-Hai originally a limited edition model?


It definitely was- IIRC in 2005 when GW released the original big blue rulebook.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10985386.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10985386.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Elevenses wrote:
 Mentlegen324 wrote:
Am I thinking of a different miniature, or was that Gimli on Uruk-Hai originally a limited edition model?


It definitely was- IIRC in 2005 when GW released the original big blue rulebook.

It was a LE/WD subscriber model.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10985410.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10985410.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Tim the Biovore wrote:No Ent, so not the MtO. Must just be the ones they'd cast up in advance?

Rather unfortunate. Don't know how it's going to be allocated, hopefully being in Australia gives me a fair chance to get what I wanted.

EDIT: Missed the Ent in the text, apparently I have a very image based reading comprehension.
If you hadn't pointed it out here, I wouldn't have realized the Ent was included either. In fairness, it's the only mini that's not pictured (I think, unless I overlooked another one in the text) and it's a three-letter word, so hey ho. Still, the description does make it sound like they cast up some lot and decided to get rid of them to free storage space - I definitely would have preferred the previously announced MtO. Wonder how long these will take to sell out...

Elevenses wrote:
 Mentlegen324 wrote:
Am I thinking of a different miniature, or was that Gimli on Uruk-Hai originally a limited edition model?


It definitely was- IIRC in 2005 when GW released the original big blue rulebook.
I'm fairly confident it went in and out of production a few times too. It was initially a limited edition, but at some point was regularly available online too for some time, and I seem to recall it returned in production for a while later, then gone for years again...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10985416.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10985416.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
I think the 'limited quantities' were them having started building up a buffer of stock for the Made to Order release and just going for a bit.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10985417.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10985417.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10985420.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10985420.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
Tim the Biovore wrote:No Ent, so not the MtO. Must just be the ones they'd cast up in advance?

Rather unfortunate. Don't know how it's going to be allocated, hopefully being in Australia gives me a fair chance to get what I wanted.

EDIT: Missed the Ent in the text, apparently I have a very image based reading comprehension.
If you hadn't pointed it out here, I wouldn't have realized the Ent was included either. In fairness, it's the only mini that's not pictured (I think, unless I overlooked another one in the text) and it's a three-letter word, so hey ho. Still, the description does make it sound like they cast up some lot and decided to get rid of them to free storage space - I definitely would have preferred the previously announced MtO. Wonder how long these will take to sell out...

Elevenses wrote:
 Mentlegen324 wrote:
Am I thinking of a different miniature, or was that Gimli on Uruk-Hai originally a limited edition model?


It definitely was- IIRC in 2005 when GW released the original big blue rulebook.
I'm fairly confident it went in and out of production a few times too. It was initially a limited edition, but at some point was regularly available online too for some time, and I seem to recall it returned in production for a while later, then gone for years again...


Agreed about Gimli originally having a large or multiple production runs. I have seen plenty of sealed blisters on Ebay over the years, and got one myself last year for less than £15.

I'd say to hope that GW don't overcharge on Gimli, Gamling and the Ent, but I can already picture typical MTO price mark ups on these and the other lines.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10985470.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10985470.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Wish they'd given a precise time on Saturday. Is there a certain time when these sort of things go live?



If nothing else, I want one of those mounted Gamlings. Although if the price is right then i'll have me some of everything.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10985615.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10985615.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:
About fragging time.

Wish they'd given a precise time on Saturday. Is there a certain time when these sort of things go live?



If nothing else, I want one of those mounted Gamlings. Although if the price is right then i'll have me some of everything.


Same time they come in your country every saturday. Depends on country so no idea what it's in your country.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10985634.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10985634.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Mentlegen324 wrote:
Am I thinking of a different miniature, or was that Gimli on Uruk-Hai originally a limited edition model?
Not entirely sure about Gimli on the Uruk, but I know Ugluk started out as limited to the Strategy Battle Game magazine and didn't see general release until a few years after.

tneva82 wrote:Same time they come in your country every saturday. Depends on country so no idea what it's in your country.
Yeah, no clue!
For that Gamling though, i'll stay up 24hrs straight to get my hands on him.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10985653.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10985653.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:
 Mentlegen324 wrote:
Am I thinking of a different miniature, or was that Gimli on Uruk-Hai originally a limited edition model?
Not entirely sure about Gimli on the Uruk, but I know Ugluk started out as limited to the Strategy Battle Game magazine and didn't see general release until a few years after.

tneva82 wrote:Same time they come in your country every saturday. Depends on country so no idea what it's in your country.
Yeah, no clue!
For that Gamling though, i'll stay up 24hrs straight to get my hands on him.


No need for 24h 9am-noon ought to be enough. Finland gets at noon sincb wb　get them same time as　uk which　is 10am(finland being 2 hours ahead).

Shouldn't be vastly different. I would　start　pressing f5 at 9am and　if not there wait for next full hour and　repeat.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10985668.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10985668.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Kanluwen wrote:
 Elevenses wrote:
 Mentlegen324 wrote:
Am I thinking of a different miniature, or was that Gimli on Uruk-Hai originally a limited edition model?


It definitely was- IIRC in 2005 when GW released the original big blue rulebook.

It was a LE/WD subscriber model.


I wouldn't've described it as a lewd model, Kan - it isn't like he's taking his armour off, or anything like that...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10985674.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10985674.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:
Wish they'd given a precise time on Saturday. Is there a certain time when these sort of things go live?


It'll be 1pm in Victoria, so check the store about 5 minutes before then if you're adamant about securing yours]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10985729.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10985729.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10985964.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10985964.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread FW resin character or two. It would be nice to see a new plastic kit or even a different starter set of sorts. I like the idea of the battle of Moria as someone mentioned above. I wouldn’t mind getting back into LoTR but I was last playing when it was very hard to get models and you needed a ton of books to play (the small blue book era). It’s nice things have been consolidated, and the game at its core is awesome. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10986035.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10986035.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
RazorEdge wrote:
I wonder what he get Teased on Saturnday...
The team was talking about a Last Alliance supplement years ago already, and there was that teaser when they mentioned Anárion in a special rule in the book LotR-era profiles.

Because of that, Last Alliance has been my expectation with every upcoming release so far. Maybe it will finally be correct this time?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10986045.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10986045.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread CAD stuff for Last Alliance era High Elves. The Rivendell Knights are the same design and were done CAD rather than traditional sculpting. Always felt strange that they did not just update the High Elves with The Hobbit.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10986048.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10986048.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
New elves would be nice, especially since I scored a Cirdan model in one of GW's previous round of MTO minis, and I could replace the First Alliance box minis that are just way too old.

But my natural cynicism says it'll just be another book, or maybe a forgeworld mini or two.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10986076.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10986076.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
As I understand it MTO stuff is cast in the material it was last available in, and I believe this hasn't been available for quite some time, so I am hopeful it might turn out to be metal. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10986089.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10986089.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread originally available in.

Heroes of Helm's Deep and the others should be metal.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10986100.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10986100.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread LotR plastic kit isn't it? Next to Moria Goblins anyway. Seeing the former updated as part of a new boxset would certainly hit the right notes.

soviet13 wrote:
Do we have any idea if the set of heroes from the Two Towers (with Eowyn, Theoden, etc) will be metal or resin?

As I understand it MTO stuff is cast in the material it was last available in, and I believe this hasn't been available for quite some time, so I am hopeful it might turn out to be metal.

It should be metal, but this isn't MTO like normal so who knows.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10986101.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10986101.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 infinite_array wrote:
Battle of Moria box would be awesome, since that's two armies I'd like to play. Goblins also got a boost with the latest Legendary Legion, and I'll play dwarfs in any game.

New elves would be nice, especially since I scored a Cirdan model in one of GW's previous round of MTO minis, and I could replace the First Alliance box minis that are just way too old.

But my natural cynicism says it'll just be another book, or maybe a forgeworld mini or two.


Let's split the difference and say "Fall of Gondolin".]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10986113.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10986113.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Arbitrator wrote:
I think Warriors of the Last Alliance is the oldest LotR plastic kit isn't it? Next to Moria Goblins anyway. Seeing the former updated as part of a new boxset would certainly hit the right notes.


Yup. High Elves/Numenorians and Goblins were the very first plastics.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10986174.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10986174.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
RazorEdge wrote:
I wonder what he get Teased on Saturnday...
The team was talking about a Last Alliance supplement years ago already, and there was that teaser when they mentioned Anárion in a special rule in the book LotR-era profiles.

Because of that, Last Alliance has been my expectation with every upcoming release so far. Maybe it will finally be correct this time?

I didn't realize that it's been twenty years on for Fellowship the game & movie.

Now would be as good of a time as any for a Last Alliance set and I wonder if they've been planning for it?!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10986198.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10986198.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10986211.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10986211.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Kanluwen wrote:Not "last available in", originally available in.

Heroes of Helm's Deep and the others should be metal.
What exactly is your intended difference between "last" and "originally"?
Miniatures that were at first released in metal but then transitioned to Finecast have (almost always?) been released in MtO waves as Finecast.
Miniatures only ever produced in metal have been released in MtO waves as metal. So "last available in" appears the correct version.

In this case, I'm fairly confident all sets were only ever available in metal, so they should indeed be metal.
The only partial exception is the Heroes of Helm's Deep set, of which some figures (Théoden at least) were split into different packs (foot and mounted in this case) and did become Finecast, but since other figures in the set never were re-released in the resin, I expect the full set to be metal.

Kanluwen wrote:Now would be as good of a time as any for a Last Alliance set and I wonder if they've been planning for it?!
Jay (Middle-earth's rules writer) was speculating about a Last Alliance supplement more than 4 years ago, when they only just started the relaunch of the game via Forge World. It sounded as if they were planning to kick off the Middle-earth combined ruleset with either Pelennor Fields or Last Alliance, and the former presumably won out because they had limited opportunities for new plastics at the time, and knew the Last Alliance troops were due an overhaul. At the time (2016), new plastics of any type were not on the agenda (the Lake-town house an exception, since it already existed, but was just never released). Since then, we've seen several new plastic heroes released, and some Rohan scenery that appeared to have sold very well. I do feel that if any plastic troops are to be released for this game in the next 5 years, the classic High Elves and Númenóreans are at the top of the list. Their scale is off with later releases (and contemporary metals...), their combined existence in one set impractical, their poses limited, their wargear options incomplete and, not unimportantly, people have been clamouring for a new set for the last decade. So, who knows? Not sure if it's likely, but certainly not entirely implausible.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10986243.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10986243.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:Not "last available in", originally available in.

Heroes of Helm's Deep and the others should be metal.
What exactly is your intended difference between "last" and "originally"?
Miniatures that were at first released in metal but then transitioned to Finecast have (almost always?) been released in MtO waves as Finecast.
Miniatures only ever produced in metal have been released in MtO waves as metal. So "last available in" appears the correct version.

In this case, I'm fairly confident all sets were only ever available in metal, so they should indeed be metal.
The only partial exception is the Heroes of Helm's Deep set, of which some figures (Théoden at least) were split into different packs (foot and mounted in this case) and did become Finecast, but since other figures in the set never were re-released in the resin, I expect the full set to be metal.

Maybe it's different for AoS, because some of the items I know went into Finecast from the Wanderers range were metal during the Made to Order.

Kanluwen wrote:Now would be as good of a time as any for a Last Alliance set and I wonder if they've been planning for it?!
Jay (Middle-earth's rules writer) was speculating about a Last Alliance supplement more than 4 years ago, when they only just started the relaunch of the game via Forge World. It sounded as if they were planning to kick off the Middle-earth combined ruleset with either Pelennor Fields or Last Alliance, and the former presumably won out because they had limited opportunities for new plastics at the time, and knew the Last Alliance troops were due an overhaul. At the time (2016), new plastics of any type were not on the agenda (the Lake-town house an exception, since it already existed, but was just never released). Since then, we've seen several new plastic heroes released, and some Rohan scenery that appeared to have sold very well. I do feel that if any plastic troops are to be released for this game in the next 5 years, the classic High Elves and Númenóreans are at the top of the list. Their scale is off with later releases (and contemporary metals...), their combined existence in one set impractical, their poses limited, their wargear options incomplete and, not unimportantly, people have been clamouring for a new set for the last decade. So, who knows? Not sure if it's likely, but certainly not entirely implausible.

Look you, I'm being an optimist!

With the 20th anniversary of the Fellowship of the Ring film & game next year(which doesn't make me feel super-old at all, noooope), it feels like a good time for revisiting them...especially since the High Elf Warriors didn't get a revisit with The Hobbit despite those stunning Rivendell Knight models.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10986250.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10986250.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10986293.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10986293.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
In Legions of Middle Earth (2006) there were some nice Unit options for Numenor & the Last Alliance Elves, which never got released...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10986353.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10986353.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10986436.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10986436.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10986783.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10986783.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
There's a lot of chit chat going around the facebook groups about Treebeard and the Ents. As Treebeard is going to sold out on the website in a few different countries. I wouldn't mind a new plastic version.


I would buy like 3 boxes if it was 2 ents, new plastic treebeard vs a isenguard force + some plastic isenguardy- terrain!!!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10986790.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10986790.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Last Alliance would be cool..]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10986822.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10986822.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Between the Amazon series, the 20 year old models and the past knowledge we have about what the ME team were wanting to do, its clearly what they will do when they're able to. But who knows when that will be, as it will be a major expansion the likes of which ME hasn't seen in a good long time.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10986962.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10986962.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10986979.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10986979.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10987022.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10987022.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10987173.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10987173.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Plus if it were a multi-part plastic ent/Treebeard kit, that would be good sign for support for MESBG going forward.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10987258.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10987258.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10987260.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10987260.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
RazorEdge wrote:
Let's hope... the Plastic King of the Dead is one of the worst Designs...


Are we talking the look of it? Or the way it's put together when assembling?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10987264.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10987264.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Elevenses wrote:
RazorEdge wrote:
Let's hope... the Plastic King of the Dead is one of the worst Designs...


Are we talking the look of it? Or the way it's put together when assembling?


How it looks, can't say putting it together makes it even the worst.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10987283.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10987283.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
RazorEdge wrote:
 Elevenses wrote:
RazorEdge wrote:
Let's hope... the Plastic King of the Dead is one of the worst Designs...


Are we talking the look of it? Or the way it's put together when assembling?


How it looks, can't say putting it together makes it even the worst.


I though it looks so much more movie accurate than the metal one...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10987567.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10987567.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Boromir-Captain-Of-The-White-Tower-2020?_requestid=5999746

Boromir, Captain of the White Tower was one of the first LotR Models they made and announced as Finecast. Now he is made from Metal again.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10987571.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10987571.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
RazorEdge wrote:
DId they returned some Models from Resin to Metal?

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Boromir-Captain-Of-The-White-Tower-2020?_requestid=5999746

Boromir, Captain of the White Tower was one of the first LotR Models they made and announced as Finecast. Now he is made from Metal again.
The model with banner on foot never switched to Finecast I think (the resin pack had him with sword and shield on foot), so either they switched the other two included poses to metal now, or the product description is simply wrong.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10987598.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10987598.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
RazorEdge wrote:
DId they returned some Models from Resin to Metal?

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Boromir-Captain-Of-The-White-Tower-2020?_requestid=5999746

Boromir, Captain of the White Tower was one of the first LotR Models they made and announced as Finecast. Now he is made from Metal again.


They've been doing that for a while. Boromir, Isengard commanders and several others have switched from resin back to metal.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10987629.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10987629.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
RazorEdge wrote:
DId they returned some Models from Resin to Metal?

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Boromir-Captain-Of-The-White-Tower-2020?_requestid=5999746

Boromir, Captain of the White Tower was one of the first LotR Models they made and announced as Finecast. Now he is made from Metal again.


They've been doing that for a while. Boromir, Isengard commanders and several others have switched from resin back to metal.

Did they re-release the smaller Isengard commanders set (3 figures, without the drummer who was formerly part of the 4-model resin set) when they released the metal Scout commanders? Completely passed me by. When they re-released the Ringwraiths (foot/mounted) in the combined sets, they kept the resin ones and just mixed them with the metal figures of others. Changes only appear to be made when they repackage them in some way, but even that's not a guarantee apparently.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10987650.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10987650.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10987677.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10987677.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
RazorEdge wrote:
 Elevenses wrote:
RazorEdge wrote:
Let's hope... the Plastic King of the Dead is one of the worst Designs...


Are we talking the look of it? Or the way it's put together when assembling?


How it looks, can't say putting it together makes it even the worst.


Nah, that's wrong. He's incredible.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10987980.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10987980.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Tim the Biovore wrote:
It'll be 1pm in Victoria, so check the store about 5 minutes before then if you're adamant about securing yours
Oh, excellent. That's good to know.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10989367.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10989367.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10989952.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10989952.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread


I'm ready! I'M READY!! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10989963.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10989963.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990050.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990050.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Nabbed Gamling though! So i'm happy.


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 Tim the Biovore wrote:
Got what I wanted, but blimey, MTO products add up fast, don't they?
You're not wrong! I'm lucky that I already have 6 out of the 8 Defenders of Helms Deep, so I didn't need that.
Grabbed all the heroes (barring theoden) and the battering ram.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990052.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990052.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Gimli just gone now as of this post too, though I'm not as surprised by that.

I'd actually thought I might have been overestimating demand by camping out the ten minutes in advance, but I'm glad I did. The same products are already sold out in New Zealand too, so I guess if you're after any of those three somewhere else in the world, it'll pay to be early.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990058.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990058.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Gimli lasted about 2 minutes, as did the elves. To be honest i'm quite surprised the ent is still in stock.


]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990065.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990065.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread After failing to purchase him several times in the past 15 years, I very much wouldn't want to miss out on that Gimli again.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990144.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990144.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread UK now. Just went for the battering ram and ent in the end. Just didn't have enough want for Gamling and Theoden this time.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990174.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990174.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
I've already got Gamling with the banner (better sculpt IMO), I've got every other Theoden sculpt anyway, and Haldir's elves seem to come up for ordering on the regular now.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990175.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990175.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990176.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990176.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
The Warg Rider with bow (shooting) was my first ever metal LotR miniature, and the metals have always been excellent sculpts, so it's nice to have a little group now. They're also excellently priced, in fact cheaper than when they were released (in € at least). Unlike the Galadhrim, which were ridiculously doubled in price in the previous MtO and unsurprisingly returned at that price point. (They're lovely sculpts, but not 20€ for 3 lovely. Looks especially silly next to the 3 warg riders for 25€.)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990177.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990177.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread UK didn't seem that overwhelmed with orders, managed to get Gamling, Legolas and the Uruk scouts (£30?!). Noice.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990178.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990178.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread [since there wasn't a 1-per-order limit from what I could see. Scalpers' paradise, surely. EDIT: there is a limit after all]


All items are listed as being in stock, aside from the Galadhrim which say "Usually ships within 49 days" weirdly enough.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990179.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990179.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990188.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990188.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
I expected it to be in the product description somewhere too, which it almost certainly used to do in the past.

The basket was only on my screen for about half a second as I rushed through the purchase process to avoid missing that cute little Gimli, something that clearly wasn't necessary. Galadhrim sold out after about half an hour, but others are still available. So now for the real question: is Théoden just an absolute fan-favourite in Oceania, or were those minis just distributed very unevenly across the globe?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990193.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990193.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
Oh, I take it back, several of the figures are indeed 1-per-order, but this information only shows up in the basket.

I expected it to be in the product description somewhere too, which it almost certainly used to do in the past.

The basket was only on my screen for about half a second as I rushed through the purchase process to avoid missing that cute little Gimli, something that clearly wasn't necessary. Galadhrim sold out after about half an hour, but others are still available. So now for the real question: is Théoden just an absolute fan-favourite in Oceania, or were those minis just distributed very unevenly across the globe?


Well i could not change　quantity on product page either. Bowmen etc were max 3.

Maybe oceania didn't have limit?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990199.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990199.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
However both uruks and wargs are still available on the Australian site and will continue to tempt me until they go out of stock...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990200.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990200.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990216.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990216.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990231.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990231.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990233.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990233.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
So for those of you in North America, it appears Gimli and the Galadhrim are the main ones to look out for, while you may not have to break your F5 key for the others. Probably.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990236.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990236.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Edit: multi-part plastic kit- really good sign of future support for MESBG!



Comes with another set of Merry & Pippin that can be put onto Treebeard- no need to chose between them.
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Still, a large new plastic Middle-earth kit is welcome news in terms of their willingness to invest in the range!

And being plastic, I've finally found a nice new Treeman for my Warhammer Wood Elves too, one that looks like a tree rather than some construct of dead wood or some video game design. Just need to add some sprites and skulls.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990488.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990488.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990531.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990531.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
It'd be nice to get an alternative, rock holding arm, for him as well. But I rather doubt we'll see that. Spoke too soon. Didn't see the picture up above. I'm pleased to stand corrected!

Not overly enamored with the hobbits though. Neither really resemble their respective actors. They just don't have much "life" to them.



What that all that was previewed for Middle Earth?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990748.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990748.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
I've honestly had that same gripe with a lot of the plastic ME characters. Dunno if it's just the paint style, but very few of the named characters have looked "right" to me, as far as faces go. Might just be that I'm more nostalgic for the older sculpts though.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990756.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990756.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990773.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990773.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990777.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990777.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Tim the Biovore wrote:Yeah, that was all for Middle Earth.
Balls.
I've honestly had that same gripe with a lot of the plastic ME characters. Dunno if it's just the paint style, but very few of the named characters have looked "right" to me, as far as faces go. Might just be that I'm more nostalgic for the older sculpts though.
Agreed. None of the other plastic hobbits looks right either. Mines of Moria suffers mostly because it's an older kit. But the newer plastic Merry/Pippin don't look good either. Pippin has no nose, both have clumpy, lumpy hair (another failing of CAD).
But then you get sculpts like Eomer or the King of the Dead, which are just superb and don't suffer those problems.

Eiríkr wrote:The Perry twins are unparalleled in their sculpting skills, it is a very high bar!
That's a truth if ever there was one. The fact that one of them does it one handed, always boggles my mind.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Tree beard is a certain improvement on an already pretty decent model. The advantage of plastic over metal, if you ask me.
Oh Treebeard himself is very nice. A better model if only by dint of not being a honking great chunk of metal. It's just a shame the regular plastic ents aren't overly customizable.
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 Tim the Biovore wrote:
I've honestly had that same gripe with a lot of the plastic ME characters. Dunno if it's just the paint style, but very few of the named characters have looked "right" to me, as far as faces go. Might just be that I'm more nostalgic for the older sculpts though.
Can't disagree with you there; Éomer's one of the few that on first inspection actually somewhat reminded me of the actor, and some of the others (Three Hunters Legolas...) are just outright bad even beyond likenesses. Plastic limitations perhaps, and sculptor's limitations too. Thankfully we have a dozen or so older metal sculpts available of most characters, quite a few of which can be found for reasonable prices second hand.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990936.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990936.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW hq how about some more terrain. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990960.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10990960.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
 Tim the Biovore wrote:
I've honestly had that same gripe with a lot of the plastic ME characters. Dunno if it's just the paint style, but very few of the named characters have looked "right" to me, as far as faces go. Might just be that I'm more nostalgic for the older sculpts though.
Can't disagree with you there; Éomer's one of the few that on first inspection actually somewhat reminded me of the actor, and some of the others (Three Hunters Legolas...) are just outright bad even beyond likenesses. Plastic limitations perhaps, and sculptor's limitations too. Thankfully we have a dozen or so older metal sculpts available of most characters, quite a few of which can be found for reasonable prices second hand.


I think,the newest Gandalf really closely resembles Ian McKellen]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10991012.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10991012.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10991023.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10991023.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
I'm also happy it's plastic, not resin. FW would have charged at least 70 euros for that, if not a 100...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10991039.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10991039.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 CragHack wrote:
Wait, what? Did the Perry brothers sculpt the new Treebeard?
I'm also happy it's plastic, not resin. FW would have charged at least 70 euros for that, if not a 100...


No, at least not that I am aware of.
I was simply commenting on their skill in bringing an uncanny likeness to so many of the older models (almost all of them, I think!).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10991055.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10991055.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 CragHack wrote:
Wait, what? Did the Perry brothers sculpt the new Treebeard?
I'm also happy it's plastic, not resin. FW would have charged at least 70 euros for that, if not a 100...


We don’t know what GW will price it at yet...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10991075.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10991075.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Tim the Biovore wrote:
Yeah, that was all for Middle Earth.

I've honestly had that same gripe with a lot of the plastic ME characters. Dunno if it's just the paint style, but very few of the named characters have looked "right" to me, as far as faces go. Might just be that I'm more nostalgic for the older sculpts though.


One thing with models based on real people, you need to see them bare without any paint on them, as the painting process for scale miniatures (exaggerating shadows and highlights) tends to make the "real" people look wonky. Your brain knows what these people are supposed to look like in real life, and at such a small scale it's near impossible to make it look right.

I remember getting some of the older Hobbits (metal ones) that looked completely awful in GW's images in books and online... but in the flesh and in the bare metal they looked really remarkable, they matched the actors incredibly well given how poorly they looked in GW's promotional materials. It almost prompted me to buy a bunch of the metal LOTR character models until I remembered I suck at painting too much to do them justice, lol.

I don't know what the more recent batches of plastics are like, I haven't bought any, but to judge them they need to be seen in bare plastic IMO.

It's just a real issue with models based on actual people rather than generic faces invented by the sculptor. It's made worse by the fact GW aficionados tend to be used to the larger scale Warhammer/40k models which for all their unrealistic proportions are actually much easier to paint the faces realistically.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10991106.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10991106.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10991122.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10991122.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
tneva82 wrote:
So much for last alliance stuff


The Last Alliance will involve entire range re-designs, new character releases (multiples) and at least a new book. That's a major investment for a Specialist Games sub-team at a time when GW are not firing on all cylinders.

Last Alliance will come. Be patient.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10991165.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10991165.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/11/22/sunday-preview-big-army-boxes-for-christmas/]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10991223.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10991223.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Oppl wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
So much for last alliance stuff


The Last Alliance will involve entire range re-designs, new character releases (multiples) and at least a new book. That's a major investment for a Specialist Games sub-team at a time when GW are not firing on all cylinders.

Last Alliance will come. Be patient.


Yeah. But quite　a few predicted announcement was now. So much for that.


Still i don't expect more than book　and couple characters, maybe　2 as plastic. Gw hasn't shown interest on redoing troops. No reason to expect that to change]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10991242.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10991242.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread LOTR armies to fill out my order.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10991505.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10991505.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread


Odds on it rocks up the one day i'm working this week. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10991635.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10991635.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
tneva82 wrote:
 Oppl wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
So much for last alliance stuff


The Last Alliance will involve entire range re-designs, new character releases (multiples) and at least a new book. That's a major investment for a Specialist Games sub-team at a time when GW are not firing on all cylinders.

Last Alliance will come. Be patient.


Yeah. But quite　a few predicted announcement was now. So much for that.


Still i don't expect more than book　and couple characters, maybe　2 as plastic. Gw hasn't shown interest on redoing troops. No reason to expect that to change


The Last Alliance is the oldest model range in the ME catalogue. There's a reason we aren't seeing it yet. The infantry will need to be remade. It will take a lot of resources and input, and GW clearly aren't in a position to commit to that right now. They churn out releases for fun in other game systems. Redoing a basic infantry box for Elves and Numenor is very feasible when they are back up on full capacity. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10992973.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10992973.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Current plastics are sufficient. You can do la supplement with just plastic hero or two and rest of new models fw resin just like other　supplements were. Expecting more is just setting a way to dissapointment.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10992985.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10992985.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Not that i'm complaining or anything...


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tneva82 wrote:
Again: they have shown zero interest so far doing redo's of existing troop models. As such　i have　zero expectation they will do. Nothing in la supplement requires plastic non-heroes. Ergo unlikely anything　comes.

Current plastics are sufficient. You can do la supplement with just plastic hero or two and rest of new models fw resin just like other　supplements were. Expecting more is just setting a way to dissapointment.


I look forward to revisiting this thread in the future, then! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10993438.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10993438.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10993527.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10993527.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Quite weighty too! Just shy of 120grams.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10993813.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/10993813.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11007003.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11007003.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Eiríkr wrote:
I was really hoping for Treebeard to be made available for Christmas, but it looks decidely late!

I mean, we are in December - it's not a noted time of year for trees (or Ents, I imagine) to be active...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11007017.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11007017.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Dysartes wrote:
 Eiríkr wrote:
I was really hoping for Treebeard to be made available for Christmas, but it looks decidely late!

I mean, we are in December - it's not a noted time of year for trees (or Ents, I imagine) to be active...


Just whack some tinsel on him, and it couldn't be more perfect ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11007059.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11007059.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11013758.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11013758.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11013979.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11013979.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread Hope GW will celebrate this in same way.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11014589.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11014589.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW paid a similar sort of attention to the range.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11014622.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11014622.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Tim the Biovore wrote:
I'd like to see the scenario boxsets make a return, even if just via MtO. It's my hobby goal for the new year (and for the next two as well) to paint up all of my relevant Middle-Earth miniatures, and it'd be particularly nice for me if GW paid a similar sort of attention to the range.

If those metal Rangers return, I am so in. The two named Rangers from FW were a commission payment from a friend of mine and holy hell. Gorgeous.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11014690.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11014690.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11018456.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11018456.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11018458.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11018458.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread FW set. Unless of course they get a two pack of new riders like the Dunlendings. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11018465.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11018465.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11018481.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11018481.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Nice that the Easterlings will be getting some love though]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11018486.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11018486.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
..almost.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11018527.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11018527.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
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 Arbitrator wrote:
The very naïve part of me hopes for a Rhovanion book during the War of the Ring; Erebor (under Dain) + a 'modern' Dale force versus the Easterlings. It would get them to shift some of those older Hobbit boxes at least.



Man, lot of us are waiting for something like this...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11018725.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11018725.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11018922.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11018922.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Arbitrator wrote:
The very naïve part of me hopes for a Rhovanion book during the War of the Ring; Erebor (under Dain) + a 'modern' Dale force versus the Easterlings. It would get them to shift some of those older Hobbit boxes at least.



This would be fantastic. I've wanted to see some sort of delve into this campaign for a long time, as it's just appendices in the books. Lots of room to do cool stuff, and I love some LotR Dwarves and Easterlings.

Any way you slice it new Easterlings makes me want to get back into SBG.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11018967.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11018967.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Looks like sword, dagger and throwing daggers, which I'm not a huge fan of (from a realism point of view), but at least it's something different.

War for Dale/Erebor at the end of the War of the Ring would be an excellent setting indeed. Erebor can be some combination of the plastics and Iron Hills troops with maybe a new "old Dain" and Thorin Stonehelm (his son and successor), Dale could get a new contemporary character in the forms of King Brand and Prince Bard II with maybe a new troop choice and a model for a banner or so, and then some similar reinforcements for the Easterlings: new character, new troop type. Could be nice.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11019036.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11019036.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread lotr in how many years?

Lotr troops are in sorry shape　plastic wise]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11019067.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11019067.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
tneva82 wrote:
Biggest reveal though is it looks like first non-hero plastic release for lotr in how many years?

Lotr troops are in sorry shape　plastic wise
That would be big and great news, but who's to say these are plastic? The fact that there are 3 of them makes me instantly think it's a FW blister.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11019135.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11019135.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
Biggest reveal though is it looks like first non-hero plastic release for lotr in how many years?

Lotr troops are in sorry shape　plastic wise
That would be big and great news, but who's to say these are plastic? The fact that there are 3 of them makes me instantly think it's a FW blister.

King of the Dead was a 3 model box, with two Heralds.

Agreed that it's more likely FW, but there's definitely been three foot-based models in plastic recently.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11019136.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11019136.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
Biggest reveal though is it looks like first non-hero plastic release for lotr in how many years?

Lotr troops are in sorry shape　plastic wise
That would be big and great news, but who's to say these are plastic? The fact that there are 3 of them makes me instantly think it's a FW blister.


Oh true. Still even　as resin would be fresh release though not first non-hero. But at least first human non-hero either way]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11019182.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11019182.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/01/10/sunday-preview-plague-bearers-and-ring-wearers/]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11025967.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11025967.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11025995.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11025995.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11026000.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11026000.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread LOTR stuff is my big project for the year.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11026022.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11026022.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11026072.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11026072.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11026082.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11026082.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Blastaar wrote: Especially if this is a limited-time release.
I think these are just returning to production. It doesn't imply that they're a MtO release or in any way limited.

Kanluwen wrote:Would be an amazing opportunity to do a halvsies kit of see-through plastic 'overlays' for the Spectre!
That actually would be fantastic if done right.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11026099.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11026099.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11027594.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11027594.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW are currently doing fortnightly releases so nothing should be released that week.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11027618.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11027618.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11027626.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11027626.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11027628.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11027628.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Amazing. I just bought orc armour frodo and Sam on eBay for a packet... Nightmare. But they are original blister pack so it's not too bad.


I almost know the feeling, I've been watching those cave trolls on eBay for a while, they just didn't quite make the priority soon enough

Does leave me a bit unsure about the other boxed sets I've been eyeing off too, if Amon Hen is back, I wonder if Weathertop will be too]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11027644.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11027644.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Frodo and Sam in orc armour, phew, those sure wouldn't have made my list of things expected to return any time soon. Were they featured in a Quest of the Ringbearer scenario by any chance? It's the only reason I can think of to bring them back specifically, while many other figures are still out of production, and the team is limited in how many products they are allowed to have in the range.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11027720.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11027720.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Tim the Biovore wrote:
 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Amazing. I just bought orc armour frodo and Sam on eBay for a packet... Nightmare. But they are original blister pack so it's not too bad.


I almost know the feeling, I've been watching those cave trolls on eBay for a while, they just didn't quite make the priority soon enough

Does leave me a bit unsure about the other boxed sets I've been eyeing off too, if Amon Hen is back, I wonder if Weathertop will be too


There are some nice kits there. Not that I need any more middle earth stuff. I have enough to cover most of the year already!

Are these back for good or a limited MTO?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11027779.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11027779.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11027929.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11027929.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11027976.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11027976.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Are these back for good or a limited MTO?


They'll be fully fledged additions to the ME range for the foreseeable future ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11028052.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11028052.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Tim the Biovore wrote:
 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Are these back for good or a limited MTO?


They'll be fully fledged additions to the ME range for the foreseeable future


Nice! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11028069.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11028069.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread lotr models this year! But I may treat myself to one or two of these...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11028083.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11028083.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11028100.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11028100.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Cirdan and Glorfindel coming back sealed it.

I know the Amazon series is going to awaken something inside me also.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11028105.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11028105.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11028108.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11028108.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11028126.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11028126.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Eiríkr wrote:
It's the best ruleset Games Workshop have ever made, seriously. I love playing Middle-Earth, and would play it over anything else offered.


yeah I've played one demo game and liked it a lot. I liked it more than AoS and 40k easily. BB/Underworlds are too different, although it did actually remind me of BB a little. It's a very good skirmish game with a setting you can't really beat.

I was unable to convince my group though. Since then I've connected with a couple of local players through other games and found out there's a pretty big scene in my area, so I know I'll be able to get a game.

I was planning on waiting for a new core set (whenever that may happen) and hoping we got new Rivendell minis, but if that never happens... then now seems like the best time to start. I can get a full elf army with options for around $200. Reasonable for any tabletop game, especially a GW one.

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 Red Viper wrote:
Since then I've connected with a couple of local players through other games and found out there's a pretty big scene in my area, so I know I'll be able to get a game


You're in NOVA/DC area? Yeah man you have a very very large scene, the DC Hobbit League is great. Devin Moreno is also one of those Warhammer Heroes that GW does every year.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11028163.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11028163.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 judgedoug wrote:


You're in NOVA/DC area? Yeah man you have a very very large scene, the DC Hobbit League is great. Devin Moreno is also one of those Warhammer Heroes that GW does every year.


Yup! Devin gave me my demo game like 5 years ago hah.

Even then I didn't realize I might be in one of the best places to play in the US.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11028228.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11028228.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11030423.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11030423.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11030440.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11030440.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread

Everything else on that list is just a fat bonus.



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Hmm. Just saw the mordor orc captains.

Do we think they're referring to the 2 (almost) identical ones with picks, or the two infinitely rarer versions, one wearing a Gondorian breastplate and one with his arms in the air?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11030472.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11030472.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11030474.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11030474.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:
Ooh man. So keen for that Amon Hen set. If for only the chance to get a complete dying Boromir. So bloody hard to get one that has both horn halves and the 3 arrows for a reasonable price.


Everything else on that list is just a fat bonus.



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Hmm. Just saw the mordor orc captains.

Do we think they're referring to the 2 (almost) identical ones with picks, or the two infinitely rarer versions, one wearing a Gondorian breastplate and one with his arms in the air?


It would have to be the non twin versions. The pick one is still available in the command box i believe.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11030477.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11030477.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11030509.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11030509.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
If they were sold out it would say "No Longer Available".]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11030516.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11030516.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11030551.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11030551.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread Check around 12:55.

Hopefully I can nab a Haldir and Dead Marsh Spectres.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11030552.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11030552.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Kanluwen wrote:
1pm Eastern is the 'official time'.
Check around 12:55.

AND NOBODY ORDER HALDIR UNTIL I GET MY ORDER IN! Thanks.


Thanks, and I won't!

Please return the favor with Glorfindel.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11030553.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11030553.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11030672.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11030672.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread Announce of "Return of the Classics"


So it IS the Gondor Breastplate captain!
There’s no pre-order window on these miniatures, but they are strictly limited, so make sure that you act quickly to get your hands on them.

As a heads up, it looks like they're not returning to range permanently.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11031558.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11031558.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11031562.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11031562.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Looks like I'm logging on at 10am next Saturday to get Frodo & Sam in Orc armour.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11031566.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11031566.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Other than Cirdan, who I got via MtO, and most likely Arwen (time has not been kind to that sculpt), seems I'm in for it all. Going to be a very expensive weekend for me, I guess.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11031572.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11031572.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11031600.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11031600.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread Let's just hope I'll get him before he's sold out again... Seems like those lotr releases don't last more than half an hour on preorder...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11031622.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11031622.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
But I remembered that I had a lot of primaris marines new on sprue so hopefully I will get enough sold before saturday so I can get the Ambush at Amon Hen, Cirdan, Galadriel, orc captains, the twins and the witchking.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11031634.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11031634.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11031844.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11031844.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread Lotr myself, there was no shop that stocked them apart from that weekly magazine, so I missed out on a lot of these lovelies. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11031849.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11031849.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW! I can't drop cash on these right now......]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11031990.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11031990.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread lotr releases didn’t sell fast. Took about 2-3 weeks for everything to sell out. It’s sure not like BL books that are gone in 10 mins. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11032033.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11032033.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 CragHack wrote:
Last time lotr releases didn’t sell fast. Took about 2-3 weeks for everything to sell out. It’s sure not like BL books that are gone in 10 mins.


Certain things sold very quick though. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11032034.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11032034.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 CragHack wrote:
Last time lotr releases didn’t sell fast. Took about 2-3 weeks for everything to sell out. It’s sure not like BL books that are gone in 10 mins.
Yes, but it was hours rather than minutes for a good few figures, not weeks. Of course, we have no way of knowing if the quantities produced in either release are equal or even remotely similar. Maybe there are more now, maybe fewer, and maybe the numbers are highly variable within the release wave too.

Giving GW the benefit of the doubt with covid production issues, but I'm getting really fed up with the constant limited quantities and fear of missing out messages. Some of these may just be alternate poses and I'm fine with those not being permanently available, but figures like Círdan should just be part of the standard range, period.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11032049.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11032049.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 ImAGeek wrote:
 CragHack wrote:
Last time lotr releases didn’t sell fast. Took about 2-3 weeks for everything to sell out. It’s sure not like BL books that are gone in 10 mins.


Certain things sold very quick though.

The wights and the dead marsh corpses were gone by the time I got on at about half past 10.

I reckon the Amon hen set will sell out fast on sat.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11032059.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11032059.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
 ImAGeek wrote:
 CragHack wrote:
Last time lotr releases didn’t sell fast. Took about 2-3 weeks for everything to sell out. It’s sure not like BL books that are gone in 10 mins.


Certain things sold very quick though.

The wights and the dead marsh corpses were gone by the time I got on at about half past 10.

I reckon the Amon hen set will sell out fast on sat.
Last MtO, Theoden was sold out inside of about 5 minutes in Aus. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11032146.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11032146.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread lotr stuff and I would mainly be using it for a death of boromir diorama. Saying that the uruk hai carrying merry and pippin would make nice interest pieces for my isengard force...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11032159.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11032159.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11032168.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11032168.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11032172.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11032172.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11035698.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11035698.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread UK pre-orders have come back in stock. But you have to click into the actual item page, as the pre-order page still shows everything out of stock.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11035816.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11035816.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread MtO Super-limited-get'em-while-they're-hot.
I've tried to base them off previous MtOs that I can remember/bought.

Witch-king/Arwen - $40
Galadriel/Cirdan - $30
Trolls - $50-70
Murin & Drar/Frodo & Sam - ~$30
Elladan & Elrohir/Orc Captains - ~$40
Amon-hen - $90

=$470AUD

All those prices are in Australian Dollars. So convert that to your own currency as you will.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11036065.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11036065.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread CAD:
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11036081.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11036081.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Well if I take similar direct comparisons, then it would appear I was a bit short. As it comes out closer to $500AUD

Well everything is by and large, priced in line with other models from the range. Although the Amon Hen kit is little bit over-priced I think. Considering this has 10 models and is roughly $125AUD which is the same price as the MtO orcs with had 14 models.

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If you’ve been praying to Manwë that you can get your hands on this weekend’s releases for the Middle-earth Strategy Battle Game before our limited stock runs dry, you’ll be pleased to know they will now be available via our Made to Order service for one week instead. This means that stock won’t run out – provided you place it before 6pm GMT on Sunday the 31st of January, we’ll ensure we make enough extra models to honour every order.

Source]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11036471.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11036471.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW. One has the feeling they're always surprised that people actually buy their Lotr Minis ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11036486.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11036486.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Kanluwen wrote:
If you’ve been praying to Manwë that you can get your hands on this weekend’s releases for the Middle-earth Strategy Battle Game before our limited stock runs dry, you’ll be pleased to know they will now be available via our Made to Order service for one week instead. This means that stock won’t run out – provided you place it before 6pm GMT on Sunday the 31st of January, we’ll ensure we make enough extra models to honour every order.

Source


Worse news is　how article refers to last week　as　part of cyclical releases suggesting it could be some time　before they come back.

It’s worth mentioning, though, that they’re certainly not gone for good – they will return in the future as part of our cyclical releases for the Middle-earth Strategy Battle Game.


But at least they aren't gone for　good and tomorrow isn't mad panic rush to avoid missing out like　last week]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11036490.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11036490.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW have confirmed on the Facebook page that they are a permanent edition to the range several times and most briefly came back into stock last night.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11036518.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11036518.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread Lotr models for everyone! I read that as this week's are a limited edition week long made to order, whereas last week's stuff is
a permanent addition]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11036574.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11036574.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Aeneades wrote:
Last weeks releases seem to be a bit unclear as this new article does say they are part of the cyclical releases so could be some time before they come back but GW have confirmed on the Facebook page that they are a permanent edition to the range several times and most briefly came back into stock last night.


Gw seems to have miswrote article. Stealth　update so last week back when in stock]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11036625.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11036625.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Last week's additions are permanent additions to the range, until they're eventually cycled back out once more things are added and use up their available space.

Tomorrow's sculpts were going to be splash releases of limited stock that would eventually return again somewhere down the line, but are now MtO.

Very good news all around. I love those cave troll sculpts, and I would have felt a bit bad for swooping in early and picking up a couple each if it meant other people wouldn't get them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11036737.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11036737.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread Grab-'em-while-you-can.

And now don't have to sit there smashing the f5 key every few seconds waiting for them to drop. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11036825.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11036825.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11036831.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11036831.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Also turns out I was closer in my first price estimation then I thought. Only $471AUD for everything. And while I still think Amon-hen was a bit overpriced at, $12 a model is fairly palatable. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11036976.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11036976.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11037092.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11037092.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread

Went for Murin and Drar, orc captains, Cirdan and Galadriel ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11037096.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11037096.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11037098.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11037098.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11037109.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11037109.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
I got Amon hen and the Orc captains. I had a cave troll in my basket but I removed it because they are easy enough to find second hand for a lower price, and being metal are easy to strip and rejuvenate.
That was my entire reasoning for leaving out the trolls too. I'm not quite sure why I didn't just throw the dwarves in as well now as I don't see them very often. Oh well. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11037124.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11037124.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread gw additions? I don't recall their names. I might order them on Friday. It does say delivery within 180 days... Which is 6 months.


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 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Witch-King, Frodo and Sam, orc captains and Galadriel, because why not? Everything seemed quite reasonable apart from Amon-hen. Not sure why that got such a price boost. Got them literally just as the site updated, so hopefully no waiting on the mto for it.

Because they're like gold dust is my best guess. Demand is probably quite high for them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11037140.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11037140.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11037141.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11037141.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Youve got the rest of the week to order them if you like I guess? Are they characters from the book or gw additions? I don't recall their names. I might order them on Friday. It does say delivery within 180 days... Which is 6 months.


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 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Witch-King, Frodo and Sam, orc captains and Galadriel, because why not? Everything seemed quite reasonable apart from Amon-hen. Not sure why that got such a price boost. Got them literally just as the site updated, so hopefully no waiting on the mto for it.

Because they're like gold dust is my best guess. Demand is probably quite high for them.


Is it really though? Most of it is quite easy to find seperately apart from a complete dying Boromir. Even the uruks carrying the hobbits tend to appear fairly regularly.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11037146.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11037146.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Is it really though? Most of it is quite easy to find seperately apart from a complete dying Boromir. Even the uruks carrying the hobbits tend to appear fairly regularly.
Aragorn and Lurtz can be tricky to find, in my experience. When they do crop up, they always go for fairly high prices. Legolas and Gimli less so. All the Uruks are common enough, although the hobbit carrying pair do go for high prices normally.

The real golden egg is, as you say, Boromir. I see him regularly. But to find one with all 3 arrows and both horn parts is like not easy. And the few I have seen over the past year or so have all good for outrageous prices.
Even the very obvious resin recast I saw went for much more then it should have.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11037154.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11037154.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11041771.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11041771.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Slinky wrote:
My "MTO" stuff has been dispatched, so looks like early orders are being sent out before the MTO period has expired.


As the GW said. Existing stock gets sent right away. Once those run out it's MTO.

Since there's still no delivery note for me I presume SOMETHING from order was already out of stock. And my purchase was 5 minutes after opening...Good thing it was MTO or it would have been another "sold out in minutes"! So much "this time it was intended as limited release so they made more" claims told to me. GW stocks short constantly. Limited or not. Stuff selling out in minutes is no surprise.

At least this time GW had decency to make it MTO after all...

Wonder which item I got that was sold out so fast. Cirdan? Quite possible. Well. Guess it doesn't kill me to wait for 180 days and then month+ for brexit delayed delivery ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11041788.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11041788.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
tneva82 wrote:
 Slinky wrote:
My "MTO" stuff has been dispatched, so looks like early orders are being sent out before the MTO period has expired.


As the GW said. Existing stock gets sent right away. Once those run out it's MTO.

Since there's still no delivery note for me I presume SOMETHING from order was already out of stock. And my purchase was 5 minutes after opening...Good thing it was MTO or it would have been another "sold out in minutes"! So much "this time it was intended as limited release so they made more" claims told to me. GW stocks short constantly. Limited or not. Stuff selling out in minutes is no surprise.

At least this time GW had decency to make it MTO after all...

Wonder which item I got that was sold out so fast. Cirdan? Quite possible. Well. Guess it doesn't kill me to wait for 180 days and then month+ for brexit delayed delivery


I ordered around 9:55 and my order hasn't shipped yet, the only model I didn't order was Cirdan so I suspect there was at least one more model that was in high demand.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11041801.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11041801.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Or it could be it was most of stuff that got sold out in heartbeat Good in that it shows LOTR is popular, bad if GW tries to release something limited not-MTO...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11041802.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11041802.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11041804.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11041804.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11041810.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11041810.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread


]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11041841.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11041841.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11042062.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11042062.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
I haven't even gotten a shipping email, kinda irked by that. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11042275.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11042275.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
I'm a little worried also. I want that Glorfindel]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11042313.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11042313.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Red Viper wrote:
I haven't gotten any shipping notifications for either weekend yet.

I'm a little worried also. I want that Glorfindel

Did you have it shipped to home and any non-preorder items in your order?

I'm guessing that the 'ship to home' thing, plus me also having a box of Wood Elves might be throwing it all off. I'm guessing we'll probably see our stuff next week though, Red.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11042360.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11042360.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Kanluwen wrote:

Did you have it shipped to home and any non-preorder items in your order?

I'm guessing that the 'ship to home' thing, plus me also having a box of Wood Elves might be throwing it all off. I'm guessing we'll probably see our stuff next week though, Red.


I shipped to home and I had a couple of additional things, so yeah. Could be it]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11042958.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11042958.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread Dragon Cult Acolytes.







In game terms, Dragon Cult Acolytes act as an elite warrior choice for Easterling armies. Possessing a Fight value of 4, they can to go toe-to-toe with the likes of Dwarves

Hopefully that's a deliberate hint of these being in a WotR Dale book.

Also looks like Anborn and Mablung are No Longer Available.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11062900.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11062900.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread OOP. That was an incredibly short lifespan, wasn't it? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11062953.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11062953.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Maybe they're going to be repackaging them into something else, or there's a resculpt coming for Faramir and his 'commanders' and GW has decided to move them into it?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11062961.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11062961.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Tim the Biovore wrote:
Easterlings are cool, but a tad concerned by the rangers going OOP. That was an incredibly short lifespan, wasn't it?


They're not oop. Neither are the Hurscals. Jay and Kev said on the GBHL it's a mis-lable and they're just oos. They'll be back in a bit

Also bugger, now i need to see if i've got any custom bases i used for my own Easterlings left.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11062999.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11062999.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
They look alright, not sold on all parts of the design but the poses are decent, and as said at the first preview: thank the Valar the Easterlings finally have another troop choice!

Hmm, they'll be out "soon" and this is a new "series" of articles... wonder if we'll hear more about the supplement next week already? Middle-earth has been a bit quiet lately, so any semi-regular news releases would be welcome.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11063075.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11063075.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread 40k-only affair.

If it IS the Siege of Dale they'd presumably have a few kits to show off like King Brand, maybe an Old Dain (although they could just repaint the existing one), maybe Dale cavalry, at least some kind of special archer unit? Plus if they're pushing out anymore for the Easterlings.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11063085.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11063085.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Will be interesting to see if they do a separate old Dáin, both as a sculpt (the current one is rather nice already, so certainly not necessary) and as a profile - they've consolidated some profile variants in the last few years (Elrond, Thranduil, Legolas), but occasionally keep them or add new ones for specific circumstances, so difficult to predict.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11063196.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11063196.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11063219.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11063219.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11063232.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11063232.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/03/14/sunday-preview-the-lords-of-commorragh/

And those dice are sexy as hell.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11078425.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11078425.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW or are they Forgeworld models?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11078455.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11078455.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread FW. They're a three pack, so they're going to be resin.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11078457.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11078457.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Hanskrampf wrote:
Do we know if the Easterling Assassins will be available through GW or are they Forgeworld models?


They’re resin, so Forge World. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11078458.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11078458.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11078461.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11078461.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread LotR not being at the Preview isn't encouraging.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11078471.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11078471.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11078481.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11078481.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Doesn't mean there's not a supplement coming. We've had models released before the books before.

Don't do that. Don't give me hope.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11078493.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11078493.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
No idea why these are released early and in the same week as the Ents (if the latter hadn't been there, I can see the point in wanting to release *something*), but FW release schedules are all over the place anyway.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11078813.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11078813.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
I mean, there must be a supplement on the way, right? A new unit type for Easterlings would be an incredibly random release to just throw out there. Some new sculpt for an existing profile, sure, but not something like this.

No idea why these are released early and in the same week as the Ents (if the latter hadn't been there, I can see the point in wanting to release *something*), but FW release schedules are all over the place anyway.


There is also the delay with the book printing (see delay of DG codex). Maybe something to do with that, that the schedule is somehow off timing? In the FB group they also mentioned the Mumak war leader and thr new FW named rangers as examples that were released before the supplements]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11078820.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11078820.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11078862.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11078862.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread FW miniatures (Like dol almroth foot knights) are more heroically proportioned (Like old black numenoreans). But they look good enough.

And man, I would love for a new supplement. MESBG supplements are phenomenal. For me, they offer more gameplay value than 5-6 aos/40k codex/battletomes combined.

From the scenarios to the campaings, and the legendary legions. The Black Riders have become my favourite army in all the game, and the best legendary legion for me (With the exception of Dunland, but Dunland is less a legendary legion and his own proper faction).

I know the support this game gets is minimal even compared with stuff like necromunda but I'm happy enough with 2-3 of this books each year.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11078910.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11078910.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Bago wrote:
 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
I mean, there must be a supplement on the way, right? A new unit type for Easterlings would be an incredibly random release to just throw out there. Some new sculpt for an existing profile, sure, but not something like this.

No idea why these are released early and in the same week as the Ents (if the latter hadn't been there, I can see the point in wanting to release *something*), but FW release schedules are all over the place anyway.


There is also the delay with the book printing (see delay of DG codex). Maybe something to do with that, that the schedule is somehow off timing? In the FB group they also mentioned the Mumak war leader and thr new FW named rangers as examples that were released before the supplements
Precisely because they've done it several times before (the only example I seemed to remember was the first wave of Iron Hills dwarves back in the day; thanks for reminding me of the other cases), I wasn't sure if a delay due to the current situation was specifically a reason here, though it may certainly be the reason they did it this time.

Thinking about it, I wouldn't mind in the slightest if it just became common practice: release models whenever they have something to release, put the rules online for download, and later publish them in a suitable book. They could just release whatever they liked for whatever army, filling unconnected gaps in the various factions.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11078959.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11078959.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11079280.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11079280.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11079329.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11079329.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11079385.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11079385.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread FYI, apparently the instructions for Treebeard in the box are wrong, so they put the instructions up as a pdf.

For anyone that missed it:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/GND8OhJ0QLBSrVqy.pdf]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11081452.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11081452.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11081454.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11081454.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread FW is putting out looks so fragile.

FW's Middle Earth stuff is beautiful but the scale creep is getting concerning. It's probably a consequence of using resin vs. metal. I would love it if GW contracted the Perry brothers to sculpt some more MESBG stuff, their models have aged incredibly well for what are 18-20 year old sculpts.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11082929.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11082929.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread Dain and Thorin III.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11089563.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11089563.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11089575.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11089575.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread WAR IN THE NORTH! Man I've waited for this supplement for ages! And these new miniatures are fantastic!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11089580.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11089580.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11089581.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11089581.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Tim the Biovore wrote:
Not 100% sold on the miniatures, but I love that axe. And the all but confirmed Erebor-Dale-Easterling supplement is very welcome.


Paint job kills it somewhat, but mini's are fine. That explains where the Easterling rules are going to end up.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11089585.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11089585.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
 Tim the Biovore wrote:
Not 100% sold on the miniatures, but I love that axe. And the all but confirmed Erebor-Dale-Easterling supplement is very welcome.


Paint job kills it somewhat

That's normal for LotR stuff I suppose.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11089588.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11089588.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Arbitrator wrote:
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
 Tim the Biovore wrote:
Not 100% sold on the miniatures, but I love that axe. And the all but confirmed Erebor-Dale-Easterling supplement is very welcome.


Paint job kills it somewhat

That's normal for LotR stuff I suppose.


That's normal for GW.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11089808.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11089808.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Nice sculpt too. Thorin's alright, nothing too special. And yay! Confirmation of the expansion.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11089811.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11089811.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
The model is a real 3D puzzle anyway - you'll be doing a lot of part fitting and turning to see how things go together. Arm and leg parts tend not to form simple, fully enclosed "tube" structures, and many of the sprue attachments are on the flat parts that are meant to be glued shut.

A beautiful model when it's done though. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11089937.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11089937.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread *Edit* i wonder if we'll get an adult Bain to go in this release as well?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11089961.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11089961.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
As pointed out above, there's a pdf with the correct instructions available. Most annoying thing about him was his right foot i thought.


I know, thanks, just pointing out that it's a couple of small pieces.

I built the leg then attached the right foot pieces onto that.

The other tricky bit was the top of his head. I found it easier to do the opposite - put the two pieces together, then work out how that fitted on the head. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11089971.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11089971.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread WoTR?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11090074.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11090074.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11090082.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11090082.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
How do you mean? You mean what to get started with?


With learning the game, and potentially learning how to make decent army lists.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11090083.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11090083.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
If not then you'll want the rulebook and then either Armies of Lord of the Rings or the Hobbit depending on your army choice. Ignore the supplements for now and just focus on those two books.

In terms of models, you'll probably want two boxes of troops and either a command pack or character of your choice. That should get you going well enough.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11090099.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11090099.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
I like the old Dain better, but Yay for Dwarves! Hopefully some more plastics come along with this. Easterlings need plastic dragon warriors and dwarves could really use a plastic version of Iron/Khazard Guard.

I hope they stay away from the ridiculous Hobbit-esque dwaven cavalry. I like my dwarves with their feet firmly on the ground thank you very much.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11090118.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11090118.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11090279.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11090279.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread LOTR dwarves(dwarfs?) are so superior to most other dwarves(dwarfs?) in style. They actually have legs for a start, unlike old WHFB ones

This looks like it might be a good excuse to get some ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11090284.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11090284.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Ah ok, well the best value to get started is with the Pellenor box. If you're interested in Rohan, Mordor or Dunharrow, then it's a no brainer as you're getting the rulebook as well.

If not then you'll want the rulebook and then either Armies of Lord of the Rings or the Hobbit depending on your army choice. Ignore the supplements for now and just focus on those two books.

In terms of models, you'll probably want two boxes of troops and either a command pack or character of your choice. That should get you going well enough.


Q though does he want　lotr or wotr. 2 different　game]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11090311.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11090311.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Slinky wrote:
LOTR dwarves(dwarfs?) are so superior to most other dwarves(dwarfs?) in style.
Both iterations are correct.
Dwarfs is the the "proper" English spelling. Dwarves is how Tolkien chose to spell it and it is also correct. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11090341.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11090341.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11098118.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11098118.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread Old Dain and Thorin III's rules are up with the pre-order. Taking either of them changes the Iron Hills keyword to Erebor and Garrison of Dale can be taken as Historical Allies but you can't take the deceased members of Thorin's Company.

The Alliance box sneakily confirms Brand and Bard II are coming also, although the former's not a surprise.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11101622.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11101622.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11101638.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11101638.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/06/24/there-and-back-again-a-middle-earth-miniatures-range-update/]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11157354.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11157354.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11157360.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11157360.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW is preparing something new hopefully related to the War of the north]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11157488.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11157488.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Really keen for the return of all the woodelf stuff. Both the unarmoured captain and armoured captain calling out are rare as hens teeth.
I shudder to think of the price you'll pay for those spiders though. The Hobbit Mirkwood spiders are stupidly expensive ($60AUD for 2!). Having a mix pack as the only way to get the old version of spiders is not at all encouraging. Also not entirely sure why they say the Castellans are returning. They're already available, albeit as a two pack instead of 3.




Also, has anyone else received their MTO stuff from January? Mine is still pending. I know they said to allow 180 days, which would make it roughly the 20th of July a month away, but I thought maybe the odd order would have trickled out by now to people.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11157506.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11157506.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:
Also, has anyone else received their MTO stuff from January? Mine is still pending. I know they said to allow 180 days, which would make it roughly the 20th of July a month away, but I thought maybe the odd order would have trickled out by now to people.


Received mine months ago. Bit odd that it's taking so long for you, but as you said, not quite out of the fulfillment period]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11157535.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11157535.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Tim the Biovore wrote:
Received mine months ago. Bit odd that it's taking so long for you, but as you said, not quite out of the fulfillment period
If I remember correcetly, they had stock enough for a bunch of first-in best-dressed orders, and then everyone who was too slow would have to wait until they restocked. So maybe yours was one of them? I know I dillydallied a bit (and then forgot to add Murin and Drar to the order! ) so I would have missed out on that initial run.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11157558.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11157558.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:
 Tim the Biovore wrote:
Received mine months ago. Bit odd that it's taking so long for you, but as you said, not quite out of the fulfillment period
If I remember correcetly, they had stock enough for a bunch of first-in best-dressed orders, and then everyone who was too slow would have to wait until they restocked. So maybe yours was one of them? I know I dillydallied a bit (and then forgot to add Murin and Drar to the order! ) so I would have missed out on that initial run.


I'd split my order in half, one the morning it went up and one the day before it ended, and they arrived within a few days of each other. It all still arrived unusually quickly given my expectations from earlier MTOs, so it may have just been extremely coincidental that the second half was low demand items that they still had in stock. Might be worth shooting a message to customer service though, with old Blood Bowl stuff having a run this weekend. Wouldn't be the first time they've overlapped MTOs, but better to check in sooner rather than later.

On another note, I'm hoping the repackaged Galadrim command sets have all reverted back to metal like the Isengard command sets did when they were redone. The resin versions are not pretty.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11157679.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11157679.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11157687.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11157687.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11157767.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11157767.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11157816.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11157816.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 CragHack wrote:
Now this is how you manage your game system properly. "They will be disappearing". "No worries, they WILL be back sometime in the future". No one panics, no one gets angry.


Curious how LOTR is so well managed and communicated compared to 40k]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11157849.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11157849.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11158118.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11158118.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Arbitrator wrote:
War in the North book will definitely be covering Mirkwood then if the article is anything to go by?


Yeah quite sure. Hope they announce it SOON.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11158405.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11158405.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Tim the Biovore wrote:
Might be worth shooting a message to customer service though, with old Blood Bowl stuff having a run this weekend. Wouldn't be the first time they've overlapped MTOs, but better to check in sooner rather than later.
That's not a bad idea actually. Even if they're not dispatching them yet, it'd be nice to know they're still on top of it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11158509.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11158509.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:
 Tim the Biovore wrote:
Might be worth shooting a message to customer service though, with old Blood Bowl stuff having a run this weekend. Wouldn't be the first time they've overlapped MTOs, but better to check in sooner rather than later.
That's not a bad idea actually. Even if they're not dispatching them yet, it'd be nice to know they're still on top of it.

I had a problem like this a few months ago, where a single out of stock item held up an order for two months. Genuinely thought it had gotten lost or something, but nope. The out of stock item meant the order got pushed back in the packing queue and since the item went out of stock after the order was placed it fell through some cracks.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11158516.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11158516.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:
Also not entirely sure why they say the Castellans are returning. They're already available, albeit as a two pack instead of 3.


The current 2 pack is two random sculpts out of three. The repack is all three sculpts in a pack, so you're not like "I ordered three packs and got three each of pose A and B and none of C!"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11160103.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11160103.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Also repack to bigger size might reduce price per model. Wouldn't be first.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11160105.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11160105.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11160197.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11160197.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread OOP. If they're covering Mirkwood and potentially Lothlorien as well as Dale/Erebor it's looking like a pretty jampacked book already.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11160230.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11160230.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11162382.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11162382.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread

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Almost immediately after I posted that, I got another "back in stock" email, I have now secured him and Bandobras Took, which were all the models left I needed to work through the old Scouring of the Shire book (one of these days) ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11167480.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11167480.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11167492.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11167492.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Johanxp wrote:
Man I really hope to se new Dale profiles - and not only heroes - for this nice faction, something like what they did for Dunlendings would be awesome.

I could see them getting some elite archer models.

Maybe cavalry? Even if it's just 'Warriors of Dale on horses'.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11167506.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11167506.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Slinky wrote:
Golfimbul seems extremely popular - I had a "back in stock" email at 5am, by the time I was awake and followed the link at 8am, he was sold out again!


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Almost immediately after I posted that, I got another "back in stock" email, I have now secured him and Bandobras Took, which were all the models left I needed to work through the old Scouring of the Shire book (one of these days)


Did you click through to the individual product? For some reason the main page has a delay in removing the out of stock banner, but if you go into the product it's there (might be out of stock by now of course).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11168835.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11168835.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:
 Tim the Biovore wrote:
Might be worth shooting a message to customer service though, with old Blood Bowl stuff having a run this weekend. Wouldn't be the first time they've overlapped MTOs, but better to check in sooner rather than later.
That's not a bad idea actually. Even if they're not dispatching them yet, it'd be nice to know they're still on top of it.


Right, so I got a reply back from GW the other day about the January MTOs.
GW customer service wrote:Hi,

These were due to ship out this month but have yet to arrive so we are currently chasing the UK on when we might expect them.

Apologies for the delay and thank you for your patience.


So it seems for Australians at least, if you haven't got it yet, you just have to hold on a bit longer. I'd imagine this would largely be the same for other countries too.

It's unfortunate, but also understandable given the current circumstances.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11169881.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11169881.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/07/22/dales-father-and-son-duo-are-here-to-take-the-fight-to-the-dark-lord/

King Brand

Spoiler:


Bard II

Spoiler:


Knights of Dale

Spoiler:
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11179837.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11179837.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
On the positive side, these all look like nice models. My only complaint would be Brand's feet being slightly too far apart. Here's hoping we get some more Easterling releases! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11179884.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11179884.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11180173.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11180173.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Brand does indeed look a bit unnaturally posed, but Bard II and the Knights are pretty nice sculpts and designs; good additions to the range.

I do kind of wish they moved away from the near-constant "this guy is a major leader, so needs to have 3 attacks and 3 wounds" as it doesn't feel the most natural or justified in some cases, but I guess that's just the convention of the game by now. (With a few exceptions. Poor Círdan.)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11180404.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11180404.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Everything is just too ornate I think, and in the case of the Dale warriors, a case of too many clashing elements.
Fine models, just not for me, I guess.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11180431.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11180431.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:
The aesthetic for some of the hobbit armies is something i've struggled to get behind. I assume it's because I couldn't even manage to sit through the 1st movie in full, so my view of the accompanying models are tainted by it.


I know what you mean, but I actually quite like the models, I just have to avoid remembering the films

The Iron Hills dwarves in particular are really nice IMO.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11180502.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11180502.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Slinky wrote:
The Iron Hills dwarves in particular are really nice IMO.
The Dwarves are the line I have the most issue with. They're too lithe for dwarves I feel and I just don't like Hobbit aesthetic compared to the LotR versions.

I didn't like the armoured Mirkwood elves at first, but i've come around to their armour style. It's a nice variation to the Lorian/Rivendell look. Although the Mirkwood rangers are nothing short of a travesty. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11180636.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11180636.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
The two resin captains though were trash. Same with the Tauriel and Legolas models in plastic & resin both.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11180673.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11180673.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:
The aesthetic for some of the hobbit armies is something i've struggled to get behind. I assume it's because I couldn't even manage to sit through the 1st movie in full, so my view of the accompanying models are tainted by it.

Everything is just too ornate I think, and in the case of the Dale warriors, a case of too many clashing elements.
Fine models, just not for me, I guess.

The Hobbit stuff is definitely too ornate (except the Iron Hills).

I think Bard II is perfect though, but he does look very out of place next to his men and father, especially at D7.

Brand I think will look better with a 360 view, the picture looks too 'front heavy' with both the symbol on the shield and his chestplate, but the rest of him doesn't look too overdesigned.

The Knights are... alright. The existing Warrior design was always very meh and felt far too ornate compared to the other kingdoms, even if Dale was meant to be rich. A lot of The Hobbit costumes felt overly busy for the sake of it. I do prefer their helmets to the pointy NotRus hats though and will probably look better without the crest.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11180703.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11180703.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Kanluwen wrote:I'll not have you besmirch the Mirkwood Rangers
Oh no, besmirch I will!

The actual quality of the kit, I assume is on par with the modern(ish) plastics. But the poses themselves.... Yikes.

What's the heck is this?
Spoiler:

or this!?
Spoiler:
I'll admit the two kneeling rangers are quite nice. But the rest are all so weirdly static, despite being all in some form of motion.


Arbitrator wrote:The Knights are... alright.
I figured out part of what was throwing me off about the Dale Knights. Their poses very closely mirror the Rohan royal guard minis.

Compare
Spoiler:
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11180737.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11180737.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread The second is a pretty great "firing mah arrow!" pose.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11180797.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11180797.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread Ardacon reveals

Amon Hen resin scenery
Ruins of Dol Guldur modular scenery
New Witch King
Fall of the Necromancer supple - New Line copyright edition
Defence of the North supplement]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11203159.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11203159.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11203164.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11203164.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme!!!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11203167.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11203167.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11203169.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11203169.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11203205.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11203205.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 ImAGeek wrote:
Really like the Witch King, and while terrain doesn’t usually do much for me, I actually really like both terrain kits. Dread to think the Amon Hen price though!

£150 plus tip and then Last Chance To Buy in 6-9 months.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11203208.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11203208.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11203209.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11203209.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Arbitrator wrote:
 ImAGeek wrote:
Really like the Witch King, and while terrain doesn’t usually do much for me, I actually really like both terrain kits. Dread to think the Amon Hen price though!

£150 plus tip and then Last Chance To Buy in 6-9 months.


£150 for something of that size and quality would be extremely good. Especially considering Amon-Sul is a £100 more and much more enclosed.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11203212.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11203212.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Arbitrator wrote:
 ImAGeek wrote:
Really like the Witch King, and while terrain doesn’t usually do much for me, I actually really like both terrain kits. Dread to think the Amon Hen price though!

£150 plus tip and then Last Chance To Buy in 6-9 months.


£150 is much better than I’m expecting. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11203215.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11203215.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Does the Witch-king look somewhat taller then previous incarnations?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11203281.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11203281.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11203285.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11203285.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11203354.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11203354.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Bago wrote:
Really didnt expect the announcement of a fall of the necromancer source book in addition to the war in the north. I thought they just expand war in the north to the dol goldur conflicts and lorien. Also, they must be pretty delayed that they are annoincing both these sourcebooks.

Announcing Defence of the North now, even if it's just a title, makes sense when you consider they already spoilt that a War in the North book was coming with Dain/Brand. Announcing Fall of the Necromancer by itself would confuse a lot of people. "Is this the book the new Dale/Easterling stuff is coming in?" I guess with hindsight, they teased this with the Wood Elf MTO announcement suggesting they were relevant to an upcoming supplement, it just wasn't clear if that meant they were covering the western portion of the War in the North.

Sometimes the models can be ready a long time in advance it seems. I think the 2013 Dwarf kits for Fantasy were stamped with 2009 and there'd been rumours/pictures floating around for years before release. Dragon Acolytes/Dain/Brand/Dale Knights releasing throughout 2021 makes me wonder if there's going to be a decent chunk of releases coming with DotNorth though.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11203511.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11203511.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11203550.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11203550.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:
I'm a bit surprised they haven't redone the Necromancer model. Being the duel combination of both metal/resin and a not fabulous sculpt seems like it'd be a prime candidate for a new swanky plastic kit. Not to mention it's yaknow.... The Big Bad (albeit in disguise.)

The film just depicts him as he appears in the 'Last Alliance' scene of Fellowship I think, so they might not have been allowed to make a new model that wasn't just... that.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11203610.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11203610.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11203656.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11203656.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Has anyone heard any news of rumours if GW will be putting out any releases to support the AMAzon LOTR series?

Cheers.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11206185.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11206185.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
.Mikes. wrote:Hey all

Has anyone heard any news of rumours if GW will be putting out any releases to support the AMAzon LOTR series?

Cheers.
Last I heard, no word as of yet of any supporting releases.
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Looking through the full list of Evil minis, i'm fairly certain something else has gone too, but I can't nail down what it is.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11209302.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11209302.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Edit - Ignore me. They were renamed to Black Riders when returned to range in January.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11209311.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11209311.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Any other Australian waiting on theses might want to see if theirs is on its way.




Aeneades wrote:
Was around same time that they added the metal mounted Witch King MTO as the complaint was that you ended up with a spare mounted Ringwraith (3 x 3 unnamed + mounted WK).
It would have been nice if they'd done a 9 riders pack with the Witch-king. But I genuinely shudder to think of the price they'd have charged...
And somewhat understandable now why they didn't now that they've teased the new plastic Witch-king.



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Really excited for this:
The supplement also contains four new Legendary Legions for matched play enthusiasts, each of which focuses on the forces featured within it.

All of these Legendary Legions have a very unique playstyle. For example, the Rangers of Mirkwood Legendary Legion allows players to field a full army of Mirkwood Rangers who can duck and dodge behind trees to avoid incoming attacks.
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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/10/17/sunday-preview-more-stormcast-eternals-crash-into-the-realms-as-darkness-rises-in-middle-earth/]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11238140.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11238140.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11238187.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11238187.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11238191.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11238191.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/06/24/there-and-back-again-a-middle-earth-miniatures-range-update/]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11238216.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11238216.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread expensive.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11238391.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11238391.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11238397.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11238397.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I want to see how modular this terrain is...


Same. It looks good, but except for the statue and the stick-on stairs, I'm not particularly convinced its very modular at all.
There are too many things that you can't just swap and expect them to line up.

I'd believe it if the the 'variety of ways' is a low number like 2 or 3, though.

----
Also, hate the transparent dice. The top one in the middle is just hateful- I should never be able to see the number on the other side of the die through the opposite face. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11238409.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11238409.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread MESBG compared to 40k or AoS in that you aren't trying to read like 30 dice at a glance. The most you'll probably be rolling at once will be a half dozen or so except in pretty rare circumstances. I actually really like the new dice sets; probably not enough to actually buy them though.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11238462.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11238462.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I want to see how modular this terrain is...


Looks similar to the column and wall system of sector imperialis, but with hex columns so you end up with more triangles and trapezoids]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11238463.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11238463.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11238474.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11238474.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread LOTR. Nope. But I'm so wanting those Witch King dice as the smoky green is absolutely beautiful.

Just need to figure the price to put some pennies aside...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11238656.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11238656.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
And I'll probably pick up the matching dice. The Dol Guldur dice may be tougher to read, but the smoky green-black Angmar dice should work with the silver pips.

And now that the Fall of the Necromancer is coming out, hopefully we'll start seeing more previews for the War in the North book. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11238705.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11238705.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11238721.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11238721.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11238725.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11238725.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread Really hope new rules are good too! I feel confident in Middle-earth Team.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11238826.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11238826.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Voss wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I want to see how modular this terrain is...


Same. It looks good, but except for the statue and the stick-on stairs, I'm not particularly convinced its very modular at all.
There are too many things that you can't just swap and expect them to line up.

I'd believe it if the the 'variety of ways' is a low number like 2 or 3, though.


Ray Dranfield is the designer, if that helps.

His resume includes the Rohan kits, Sector Imperialis, Dominion of Sigmar, etc. Great fella to follow on twitter, as he posts lots of info on how to get the most out of his kits.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11240411.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11240411.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 judgedoug wrote:
Voss wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I want to see how modular this terrain is...


Same. It looks good, but except for the statue and the stick-on stairs, I'm not particularly convinced its very modular at all.
There are too many things that you can't just swap and expect them to line up.

I'd believe it if the the 'variety of ways' is a low number like 2 or 3, though.


Ray Dranfield is the designer, if that helps.

His resume includes the Rohan kits, Sector Imperialis, Dominion of Sigmar, etc. Great fella to follow on twitter, as he posts lots of info on how to get the most out of his kits.


The Rohan kits are incredible and versatile. I have purchased many, many of these sets. Look like I'll be buying a lot of the Dol Guldur kits if they are designed by the same guy. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11241421.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11241421.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
It looks like you get 1 of the "decor" sprue and 2 of the wall sprue 1 of each wouldn't make up the 136 parts listed where as 1 of A and 2 of B is 136 parts.

I'll be picking some up for AoS as they will work well with Chaos or Destruction style set ups.

Spoiler:


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I do wonder about the scale though. LOTR is a little big smaller than 40k/AoS.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:


I do wonder about the scale though. LOTR is a little big smaller than 40k/AoS.



If they scale like the Ruins of Osgiliath they'll be fine for AoS and there's nothing very scale defining on them even the skulls are separate so just swap or mix them with the AoS skulls. Laketown and Rohan houses on the other hand yeah they don't scale well. I've ordered 3 so I'll take my chances

Zorpazorp got the 12 of the kits - I don't think 3 is going to be enough now!


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I ended up ordering 2 for Reign in Hell. Should be enough for a Warcry sized board...?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11241465.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11241465.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11241848.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11241848.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Johanxp wrote:
Those kits are easy to find at 25% discount. I'll buy some to make a specific board after my Osgiliath and Rohan tables!


Yeah? I used to shop at Dark Sphere but they don't ship outside the UK post brexit. If you can you point me towards an alternative 25%-discounter I would be most grateful! I've found that many stores don't carry as much LOTR stuff as they do 40k/AoS.

And be sure to post pics of those boards!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11241914.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11241914.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Ohman wrote:
Johanxp wrote:
Those kits are easy to find at 25% discount. I'll buy some to make a specific board after my Osgiliath and Rohan tables!


Yeah? I used to shop at Dark Sphere but they don't ship outside the UK post brexit. If you can you point me towards an alternative 25%-discounter I would be most grateful! I've found that many stores don't carry as much LOTR stuff as they do 40k/AoS.

And be sure to post pics of those boards!


Well I am used to buy stuff in 2 Well known Italian eshop called Ars Manufactorea and Maremma Wargames. But I don't know if they ship outside Italy. And please consider that Italian prices are usually higher than English ones...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11241997.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11241997.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread Whole bunch of stuff coming back for pre-order next week]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11242031.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11242031.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11242044.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11242044.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11242121.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11242121.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
For anyone interested in the modularity of the kits, here's what someone is making with 5. Not mine obviously.


That's the Zorpazorp one in the video above he got 12 kits initially and then asked for more floor tiles so there's a lot more than 5 kits in the finished piece - there's 2 layers so some of the kits are hidden under the removeable floor,]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11242135.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11242135.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread So I not sure if I want to commit or not even with a discount. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11242244.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11242244.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11242262.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11242262.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Johanxp wrote:
That table is unbelievable.


His other channel has building streams as well. Zorpazorp streams. Easy to find and fun ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11242264.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11242264.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Apple fox wrote:
I was quite keen on the set, but it feels so pricy for how much you get. Only a single staircase a box hurts all my ideas.
So I not sure if I want to commit or not even with a discount.


With 3d printing these days there are so many options outside fo GW for appropriate scenery too.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11242892.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11242892.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
the Fall of the Necromancer Book got a german Translation and print...

They didn't translated the other books sinse the reboot als Middle Earth.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11248330.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11248330.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread tm. Nothing majorly standout, although i'm sure the White Council will be the big seller:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/11/11/revisit-the-fall-of-the-necromancer-with-these-returning-middle-earth-miniatures/]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11253632.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11253632.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11253715.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11253715.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread

Will be picking up Kardûsh and the Ringwraiths though. Always confused me as to why they only made 3 twilight wraiths rather then the 5 that were at Weathertop. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11253884.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11253884.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11253889.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11253889.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11253892.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11253892.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11253962.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11253962.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11254043.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11254043.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11254046.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11254046.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
I understand the the paintjobs aren't doing the models themselves any favours, but for me at least, Gandalf's the only decent looking one. Elrond with his club fist looks like Harry Goatleaf in elves clothes. Saruman (who also has a messed up hand) has just smelt the nasty fart ever. And Galadriel appears to have just been rejected from an ABBA casting call.
None of them actually look like who they're supposed to be. Like the faces are just wrong.

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Thing.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11254094.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11254094.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:
I gotta ask. What do people like about the White Council minis? What's the attraction?

I understand the the paintjobs aren't doing the models themselves any favours, but for me at least, Gandalf's the only decent looking one. Elrond with his club fist looks like Harry Goatleaf in elves clothes. Saruman (who also has a messed up hand) has just smelt the nasty fart ever. And Galadriel appears to have just been rejected from an ABBA casting call.
None of them actually look like who they're supposed to be. Like the faces are just wrong.



Also Saruman has a strange cut in the Head / Beard because the Head is seperate and has the cut trough he Beard.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11254111.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11254111.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:
I gotta ask. What do people like about the White Council minis? What's the attraction?

I understand the the paintjobs aren't doing the models themselves any favours, but for me at least, Gandalf's the only decent looking one. Elrond with his club fist looks like Harry Goatleaf in elves clothes. Saruman (who also has a messed up hand) has just smelt the nasty fart ever. And Galadriel appears to have just been rejected from an ABBA casting call.
None of them actually look like who they're supposed to be. Like the faces are just wrong.



They're just exceptionally nice models in hand. Elrond is the weakest sculpt, but you really need to judge them unpainted and in hand to get a full view of how good they are.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11254113.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11254113.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11255095.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11255095.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Baragash wrote:
I’ll probably skip the White Council and wait for Vanquishers to eventually hit MTO, so I think only the Twraiths as I was too broke last time they went up. Got Kurdash last time round, and I doubt Thranduil without a second sword would ever hit the table as the upgrade is too good.


Vanquishers is available now as part of the permanent line (was added a few weeks back).

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-AU/the-white-council-vanquishers-of-necro-2021?_requestid=3072041
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Aeneades wrote:
 Baragash wrote:
I’ll probably skip the White Council and wait for Vanquishers to eventually hit MTO, so I think only the Twraiths as I was too broke last time they went up. Got Kurdash last time round, and I doubt Thranduil without a second sword would ever hit the table as the upgrade is too good.


Vanquishers is available now as part of the permanent line (was added a few weeks back).

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-AU/the-white-council-vanquishers-of-necro-2021?_requestid=3072041


Missed that, thanks!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11255152.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11255152.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11256445.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11256445.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11256462.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11256462.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11256467.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11256467.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread FW Weathertop, I don't think I can justify replacing my homemade Amon Hen

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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/11/18/instead-of-burning-wood-on-a-fire-this-christmas-why-not-use-it-to-build-a-rohan-stronghold/]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11257868.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11257868.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11257918.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11257918.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
SamusDrake wrote:
I'm a sucker for Battle of Balin's Tomb! How much? Go forth my winged monkies and don't return until you find out!


To be honest, it would be kind of a rip if it was anything over £25. Those are all old, old models and there's really not much else to the box itself looking at it. I wouldn't be surprised if this was an available until sold out job.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11257956.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11257956.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
SamusDrake wrote:
I'm a sucker for Battle of Balin's Tomb! How much? Go forth my winged monkies and don't return until you find out!


To be honest, it would be kind of a rip if it was anything over £25. Those are all old, old models and there's really not much else to the box itself looking at it. I wouldn't be surprised if this was an available until sold out job.


Considering it's a board game branded specifically for the 20th anniversary of Fellowship of the Ring, that seems entirely likely.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11257978.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11257978.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
SamusDrake wrote:
I'm a sucker for Battle of Balin's Tomb! How much? Go forth my winged monkies and don't return until you find out!


To be honest, it would be kind of a rip if it was anything over £25. Those are all old, old models and there's really not much else to the box itself looking at it. I wouldn't be surprised if this was an available until sold out job.


Sold! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11258000.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11258000.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11258012.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11258012.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Element Games don’t delete old products so you can usually find it there

https://elementgames.co.uk/games-workshop/MESBG/rohan-stronghold]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11258028.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11258028.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Hey Doug, do you remember how much the stronghold was during the original release?


USD $250 in 2019. My guess is USD $280 for 2021 release. Contains USD $398 "worth" of scenery. Unsure for £ prices tho]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11258029.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11258029.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11258032.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11258032.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Ah, thanks Dave. I don't think the houses/palisades have ever gone up in price since release? I wonder if it will keep to £150 again this time?


I think they went up $4? like last year.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11258049.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11258049.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
It seems to me like the ideal gateway to help get my girlfriend more into tabletop games. She wants to play them but struggles because she had no real frame of reference for what's going on or why (the background lore isn't interesting to her). She's seen and likes LotR enough to know the characters and the situation which will help keep her invested. If it's simple and engaging then all the better.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11258505.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11258505.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread "Get em while they're available" MtO.


Grabbed Kardush and the Ringwraiths.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11259288.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11259288.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11260198.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11260198.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
XE.com says £45 converts to 83AUD. The plastic fellowship alone costs 84AUD. So in that case, bargin!
However the UK GW has the Dark Talon, Haruspex and Cauldron of Blood at £45 (the first 3 things I found that cost £45). On the OZ GW, those same 3 items $81, $100 and $75 respectively. So now I have no bloody idea how much this game will cost!

If they run it at $75 or $81, it'll be an auto-buy for me. If it comes up at $100+ (which I think is more likely) then I may skip it unless I can pick it up from a 3rd party retailer.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11260249.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11260249.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11260253.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11260253.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW would sell it at a reasonable price. Silly me. Silly me indeed!

 DaveC wrote:
£45 for the Balin’s Tomb game.

Quite frankly, this is absurd. The models included are 20 years old by now, and the Fellowship being sold for £30 alone is ridiculous enough (nine small monopose models, a single sprue, ).

Speaking in Euro monies: the pound price should translate to 60€ (possibly even 65€), the Fellowship alone is 40€. Both are bonkers. If GW had asked for 40€ or 45€ for the game I'd have checked for some store with a discount offer and got it. As it is? No way.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11260267.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11260267.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11260277.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11260277.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11260281.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11260281.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11260296.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11260296.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11260314.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11260314.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/11/22/dragon-week-comes-to-middle-earth-with-new-miniatures/



]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11260323.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11260323.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread Those shields ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11260327.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11260327.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11260329.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11260329.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11260345.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11260345.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11260346.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11260346.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11260359.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11260359.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11260531.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11260531.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread off about these. Way too wide leg stance, perhaps? Compared to old ones, they don't look human. Old models in wide leg stance have their legs spread naturally, these look like suffering from ugly broken pelvis syndrome of old, awful SM models. I really need to see 3D view but the old models seem to have way better anatomy and posing even if details are worse ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11260603.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11260603.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11260690.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11260690.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Irbis wrote:
I don't know, I really like old Easterlings, but something looks off about these. Way too wide leg stance, perhaps? Compared to old ones, they don't look human. Old models in wide leg stance have their legs spread naturally, these look like suffering from ugly broken pelvis syndrome of old, awful SM models. I really need to see 3D view but the old models seem to have way better anatomy and posing even if details are worse


I agree. The shields look interesting and I want to like to sculpts but the stances seem off.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11260701.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11260701.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
What really needs to happen is for GW to redo the basic Easterling troops box; it's criminal to only provide 4 pikemen and 8 swordsmen when you need the reverse ratio for maximum effectiveness in game.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11260709.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11260709.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 ZergSmasher wrote:
They're cool, but I suspect that they'll be yet another overpriced Forge World thing.

What really needs to happen is for GW to redo the basic Easterling troops box; it's criminal to only provide 4 pikemen and 8 swordsmen when you need the reverse ratio for maximum effectiveness in game.


You don't want bare minimum swordmen. 1 swordmen+2 pikes=very bad mix. It might SOUND good...until opponent does the obvious thing and flanks and your pikes are just hindrance.

You don't expect opponent to just charge front of pike block if you don't cover sides do you? Dunno about you but I prefer to not base my strategy on opponent being total idiot.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11260713.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11260713.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
From an Easterling point of view though, it seems strange to me that basic warriors get 'pikes' (basic pikes), captains get 'easterling glaives' (hand-and-a-half axe) and war priests 'easterling battle staves' (spear/two-handed axe). All 3 are a long haft with a bladed edge and a spike on the end. I don't quite see why they've got 3 different rule sets.
Personally think they should have either combined the easterling glaive with the pike and had a hand-and-a-half axe that can support 1 deep. Best of both weapons, and the easterlings in general get a unique weapon. Or just made them all battle staves. That way you can spear and shield or forgo the shield and axe instead.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11260779.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11260779.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Giving them extra bonus just means pikes will delete cavalry and lead to rock paper scissor ala 40k where you face faction A with faction B you lose.

If you try ramming into front of easterling pike formation with minas tirith cavalry lance you will struggle big time(lances and heavier armour helps a bit). Rohan? You die. Been there done that. The pike block will laugh off that.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11260780.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11260780.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
That said...yeah, the Moria scenery sprue would have sealed the deal.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11260787.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11260787.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
tneva82 wrote:
 ZergSmasher wrote:
They're cool, but I suspect that they'll be yet another overpriced Forge World thing.

What really needs to happen is for GW to redo the basic Easterling troops box; it's criminal to only provide 4 pikemen and 8 swordsmen when you need the reverse ratio for maximum effectiveness in game.


You don't want bare minimum swordmen. 1 swordmen+2 pikes=very bad mix. It might SOUND good...until opponent does the obvious thing and flanks and your pikes are just hindrance.

You don't expect opponent to just charge front of pike block if you don't cover sides do you? Dunno about you but I prefer to not base my strategy on opponent being total idiot.

You protect your flanks with your cavalry (Kataphrakts). I suppose a few more swordsmen could help with that as well.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11261302.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11261302.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
The rumoured £45/€60 is ludicrous and puts me off.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11261324.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11261324.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
It is a bit pricey!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11261354.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11261354.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 stonehorse wrote:
Do we have confirmation of the price for Battle in Balin's Tomb boardgame?

The rumoured £45/€60 is ludicrous and puts me off.


Not a rumour it’s confirmed £45, €60

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 Tim the Biovore wrote:
New sculpts for Black Dragons

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/11/22/dragon-week-comes-to-middle-earth-with-new-miniatures/





Forgeworld?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11261583.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11261583.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
RazorEdge wrote:
Forgeworld?
Given the crispness of the details, i'd assume so.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11261632.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11261632.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11261778.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11261778.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11262049.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11262049.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0bT-_M1_CI]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11262103.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11262103.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
And yep, it's pretty pricey. A bit too much for me.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11263240.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11263240.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 krijthebold wrote:
Balin's tomb is up for preorder, it seems.

And yep, it's pretty pricey. A bit too much for me.


Yeah, the old starter set had those same figures (I think more Goblins) and plastic terrain for those scenarios for about the same price. I know that was a long time ago and prices have gone up on everything since then, but already having the figures and plastic terrain it is hard to justify $75 for a game board, rules and some cards. And for $25 you can buy the Mines of Moria terrain it looks like.

Heck, the Battle of Pelenor Fields set has a lot more figures, some of better quality/newer sculpts. Costs twice as much but you get a LOT more for your money.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11263265.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11263265.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11263278.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11263278.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11263795.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11263795.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Hanskrampf wrote:
Do we have a release price for Amon Hen yet?


None of the LoTR releases are on the price list which means they are direct only so we won’t know until Friday or Saturday (Forgeworld or GW) when they go live]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11263797.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11263797.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 DaveC wrote:
 Hanskrampf wrote:
Do we have a release price for Amon Hen yet?


None of the LoTR releases are on the price list which means they are direct only so we won’t know until Friday or Saturday (Forgeworld or GW) when they go live

Thanks for the info.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11263798.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11263798.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW, not Forgeworld), won’t be available through third-party retailers?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11263799.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11263799.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
KipCujo wrote:
Dumb question, but does that mean the Rohan Stronghold (presumably GW, not Forgeworld), won’t be available through third-party retailers?


Looks like it if it’s not on the retailers price list then it’s GW direct so no discounts unfortunately ( assuming they didn’t leave it off in error)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11263801.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11263801.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread $588 is £178.50 so $560 is probably around £170


https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/rohan-stronghold-2021]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11266661.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11266661.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11266672.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11266672.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
170€ would be nice but looked at the NZ store and the Rohan stronghold is 2x the cost of the black Templar Combat patrol which would make it about 220€. Will still buy at that price. Luckily Sweden have good currency exchange rate for GW product so it will probably be 8-10% cheaper than the Euro price and equal the British Pound.

Edit: my small phone screen made it so I didn't see that you guys wrote 170£ and not 170€. Only noticed after actually clicking on link. Dakka experience on phone is still lackluster. 170£ is a price I will happily pay even if there is no possibility of further discounts. Still almost 1/3 off.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11266690.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11266690.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread Amon Hen is up and damn that is sexy. No bare resin shots unfortunately, but the attention to detail is fantastic.
Big too,
FW wrote:- Width: 265mm
- Length: 280mm
- Height: 175mm


The price however... not so fantastic. $334AUD they want. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11266898.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11266898.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11267125.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11267125.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11267133.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11267133.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread

Guessing that's the Dragom Emperor himself there.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11267141.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11267141.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11267216.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11267216.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread MESBG (The golden king of abrakahm is a similar miniature and is much more tame) but still, I'm sure is gonna be a killer of a miniature.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11267244.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11267244.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
On the GW website it is 170 Pounds but on the EU website it is 224 Euros… which is considerably more than the 192 Euros Google says the conversion rate should be.

Is the Rohan Stronghold only going to be able to be purchased from the GW website?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11267285.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11267285.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Only currency I know that is almost exactly the same is Swedish Crowns that on average is 1% within UK price. About 10-15 years ago SEK was valued as worth close 1/15th of GBP but were in fact closer to 1/10th in reality so stuff were really cheap for a few years before they updated the Swedish prices. Luckily they just corrected the conversion and didn't add anything extra like they seem to do with everyone else.

I paid equivalent of 197euro in SEK and when I Google GBP to Euro 170£ is about 198€. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11267292.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11267292.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Grumpy Gnome wrote:
Is the Rohan Stronghold only going to be able to be purchased from the GW website?

Looks like it - though I'm not sure why, when I think all the other bundles are available through third parties. Maybe they didn't do a custom box for it?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11267326.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11267326.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Dysartes wrote:
 Grumpy Gnome wrote:
Is the Rohan Stronghold only going to be able to be purchased from the GW website?

Looks like it - though I'm not sure why, when I think all the other bundles are available through third parties. Maybe they didn't do a custom box for it?


I brought it at a UK store for 10% off retail (it was marked as a direct only product) but will have to see if they can fulfil the order or not.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11267342.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11267342.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:
Amon Hen is up and damn that is sexy. No bare resin shots unfortunately, but the attention to detail is fantastic.
Big too,
FW wrote:- Width: 265mm
- Length: 280mm
- Height: 175mm


The price however... not so fantastic. $334AUD they want.


I have neither the space or the money...

And yet...

No! I must be strong.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11267509.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11267509.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11267618.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11267618.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11267622.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11267622.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Arbitrator wrote:
Dragon Emperor was a given, but I'm surprised he seems to be a diorama/big centrepiece model, seems a bit... well, Warhammer?


Agree. That was my first reaction to it as well. I really dislike the centerpiece mini diorama models we have for AoS and 40k and don't want to see them make their way over to mesbg. It is of course possible that when we get the rules and a clear picture of what it really looks like they might have pulled it off well but until then I am skeptical to it.


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 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Nah, not really. Not when you've already got stuff like the beasts of Gorgoroth, Golden king etc. I like the idea of someone who calls himself the Dragon Emperor goes to battle and has such an ego he would travel on a howdah like that. Gives me Xerxes vibes.


300 Xerxes?
That is exactly the problem with the model. 300 is an over the top depiction of history in the same way warhammer is over the top while lotr is trying to stay much more grounded.

Beasts of Gorgoroth is just a smaller warbeast than the Mumakil and works just like that. It is multiple models on the same base but not really different from a historical war elephant. I might be wrong but I don't know anything from history where you had a leader actually fight from a carried throne. This model is probably not just going to be in the back and lead from there but rather have good melee stats and be expected to fight on the front lines. Golden king is also a bad model for this reason and doesn't excuse them making more.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11267815.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11267815.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Klickor wrote:
 Arbitrator wrote:
Dragon Emperor was a given, but I'm surprised he seems to be a diorama/big centrepiece model, seems a bit... well, Warhammer?


Agree. That was my first reaction to it as well. I really dislike the centerpiece mini diorama models we have for AoS and 40k and don't want to see them make their way over to mesbg. It is of course possible that when we get the rules and a clear picture of what it really looks like they might have pulled it off well but until then I am skeptical to it.


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 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Nah, not really. Not when you've already got stuff like the beasts of Gorgoroth, Golden king etc. I like the idea of someone who calls himself the Dragon Emperor goes to battle and has such an ego he would travel on a howdah like that. Gives me Xerxes vibes.


300 Xerxes?
That is exactly the problem with the model. 300 is an over the top depiction of history in the same way warhammer is over the top while lotr is trying to stay much more grounded.

Beasts of Gorgoroth is just a smaller warbeast than the Mumakil and works just like that. It is multiple models on the same base but not really different from a historical war elephant. I might be wrong but I don't know anything from history where you had a leader actually fight from a carried throne. This model is probably not just going to be in the back and lead from there but rather have good melee stats and be expected to fight on the front lines. Golden king is also a bad model for this reason and doesn't excuse them making more.


I quite agree.

Whilst I am trying to reserve judgement until I see a proper photo, I do not have high hopes for it. And it will likely be considerably more money than I want to spend.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11267876.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11267876.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread FW-priced model, and the design from a realistic point of view).

The conceptually similar Golden King is a good example of the same design done in a far more understated and MESBG-y way, although I strongly dislike every aspect of his rules - instead of a support piece, this unarmed figure carried by two dudes who have their hands full carrying him can somehow fight really rather well, and the same may happen here.
EDIT: For a different take, I would have loved to instead have seen this character on an Easterlingified chariot. Ornate, decorative, with no function other than to carry him around. Khand has functional chariots, and the neighbouring Easterlings could have borrowed the concept but fancied it up a little for their big boss.

In addition, I'd rather see even more and different troop types rather than some new named character - the former add a lot more interesting things to an army than a single hero figure. I think a snippet in the books mentions mounted archers; elite heavily armoured archers on horseback could have been an interesting addition.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11268041.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11268041.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
Rather in the same boat myself; having a centrepiece model is visually nice, but size and practicality are also important factors (the latter in terms of transporting the model, purchasing the FW-priced model, and the design from a realistic point of view).

The conceptually similar Golden King is a good example of the same design done in a far more understated and MESBG-y way, although I strongly dislike every aspect of his rules - instead of a support piece, this unarmed figure carried by two dudes who have their hands full carrying him can somehow fight really rather well, and the same may happen here.
EDIT: For a different take, I would have loved to instead have seen this character on an Easterlingified chariot. Ornate, decorative, with no function other than to carry him around. Khand has functional chariots, and the neighbouring Easterlings could have borrowed the concept but fancied it up a little for their big boss.

In addition, I'd rather see even more and different troop types rather than some new named character - the former add a lot more interesting things to an army than a single hero figure. I think a snippet in the books mentions mounted archers; elite heavily armoured archers on horseback could have been an interesting addition.


Definitely how I feel, particularly re: chariots. I wouldn't want them to completely overshadow Khand, but a variety of heavy chariot makes the most sense for the supreme ruler of a very proud martial culture. At a minimum, I'd hope there are upcoming sculpts for Black Dragon Kataphrakts, but ideally the disappearance of the plastic kit indicates a rework to include lances and bows, if not optional helmets and shields for the Black Dragons. Obviously final judgement is reserved until we see the actual model, price, and rules, but it currently feels almost like a misuse of a release slot for a very small faction ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11268337.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11268337.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11268355.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11268355.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11268364.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11268364.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread MESBG are really tiny specially compared with modern warhammer sculpts. Uruk hai are goblin sized.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11268697.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11268697.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/12/19/classic-middle-earth-miniatures-make-their-return-to-celebrate-a-movie-milestone/]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11274820.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11274820.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Where has the time gone...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11274837.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11274837.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11274862.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11274862.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Weathertop is the one I'm most keen for, I love the Ringwraith sculpts, but can't stand GW resin. Shame the additional four aren't exactly easy to find ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11274890.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11274890.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11274908.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11274908.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11274912.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11274912.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Don't really need any of the miniature sets as I also got amon hen this year. The weathertop set is nice but I don't need anymore versions of fellowship models.

The khazad dum set is also a nostalgic piece. I had that all metal balrog. Jeez that was horrible to put together. Will be interesting to see if they cast it in metal or send the plastic version.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11274924.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11274924.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Johanxp wrote:
Men there are some ugly miniatures here..
Out of genuine interest, which models are you talking about?


This will be a comparatively light MtO for me. Only need Weathertop and the Balrog if it is indeed the metal version. Already have Amon-hen, The Fellowship and Orthanc (minus the palantir). I did get all excited for a second though as I thought they were MtO'ing the old books.

Shame they are doing Amon-hen again and not Breaking of the Fellowship. Some of those minis are quite hard to come by.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11274938.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11274938.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
You take that back!

Don't really need any of the miniature sets as I also got amon hen this year. The weathertop set is nice but I don't need anymore versions of fellowship models.

The khazad dum set is also a nostalgic piece. I had that all metal balrog. Jeez that was horrible to put together. Will be interesting to see if they cast it in metal or send the plastic version.


I'm glad i'm not the only one who remembers how disgusting that was to build. Also yeah, which models are ugly? Everything there is sublime.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11274973.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11274973.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11275419.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11275419.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11275459.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11275459.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Trying to build it as a 12 year old with no tools for pinning or anything. I think I managed to do it by using copious amounts of super glue, then mixing a makeshift filling cement by mixing super glue and PVA glue to fill the gaps and provide additional structural integrity. Nightmare
The version with metal wings must be an absolute witch to build. But that just sounds like torture! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11275533.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11275533.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:
 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Trying to build it as a 12 year old with no tools for pinning or anything. I think I managed to do it by using copious amounts of super glue, then mixing a makeshift filling cement by mixing super glue and PVA glue to fill the gaps and provide additional structural integrity. Nightmare
The version with metal wings must be an absolute witch to build. But that just sounds like torture!

Yeah, I imagine it is, but there is something satisfying about the weight of a metal miniature and how it feels in your hands and on the table. Not sure why.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11275655.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11275655.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
There is also the fact that I had hoped to purchase that particular set years ago, but they had just released the new metal one with a whip, swaying sideways. As a result, the old one was apparently no longer available anywhere that I could find, and I went from store to store to check. Would be fun to get it after all, depending on the price.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11275659.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11275659.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread All the newest miniatures proposed by GW (Witch King) and Forgeworld (new orc heroes, Easterling Black dragons) are wonderful instead.
So it is quite sad to see GW proposes old, very old miniatures to celebrate the 20th anniversary of Fellowship of the Rings and does not propose new plastic sculpt for the Fellowship...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11275811.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11275811.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11275821.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11275821.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
You're going to be in the vast minority that thinks those are bad sculpts. And one thing we definitely do not need is yet more versions of the fellowship.


Correct, and correct.
In fact, I'd dare say that some of the newer sculpts are lacking in a quality that the older ones generally possess. Folk have been asking for a new Fellowship, but there are already four or five different versions of it, and I'm willing to bet that the same folk would bemoan an identikit Fellowship arriving out of the blue. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11275895.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11275895.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11275925.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11275925.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11275996.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11275996.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Saruman is neither here nor there, not the best rendition of him or the worst. The Gandalf sculpt is actually one of the best for the character in hand though. Remarkably well done, to the point I don't think the painters or photography of the day could adequately capture it.

Speaking of deceptively good sculpts, gotta thank Inquisitor Gideon for standing up for the White Council set a few pages back. I'd been avoiding Hobbit resins like the plague and was going to give them a miss, but now that I have them in front of me, hot damn, they're nice.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11276151.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11276151.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11276186.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11276186.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Eiríkr wrote:
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
You're going to be in the vast minority that thinks those are bad sculpts. And one thing we definitely do not need is yet more versions of the fellowship.


Correct, and correct.
In fact, I'd dare say that some of the newer sculpts are lacking in a quality that the older ones generally possess. Folk have been asking for a new Fellowship, but there are already four or five different versions of it, and I'm willing to bet that the same folk would bemoan an identikit Fellowship arriving out of the blue.


The old metals have some issues. They can be wierd to put together and require significant amounts of cleaning, and a few just are bad casts.

The old plastics can be out and out heinous XD]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11276191.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11276191.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
The original fellowship is brilliant..managing to get models that look like real people in white metal in 2001? That's a hell of a feat. The plastic models are fine but I think the metal originals have a lot more general character. I have the plastic three hunters but painting them doesn't even compare to painting the originals.
Absolutely. I don't know how many of them have remained my absolute favourite sculpt of that particular character given the >half a dozen iterations that followed them, but each and every one of them remains a fine little work of art with very little room for improvement.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11276193.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11276193.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11276844.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11276844.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread Sword doesn't look like the scimitars we normally see, wonder if that has any significance

And unless I've lost count, Dunland got the same number of releases as we've seen so far, though I'd half expect we'll see more before it's done ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11276905.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11276905.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:
Johanxp wrote:
Men there are some ugly miniatures here..
Out of genuine interest, which models are you talking about?


This will be a comparatively light MtO for me. Only need Weathertop and the Balrog if it is indeed the metal version. Already have Amon-hen, The Fellowship and Orthanc (minus the palantir). I did get all excited for a second though as I thought they were MtO'ing the old books.

Shame they are doing Amon-hen again and not Breaking of the Fellowship. Some of those minis are quite hard to come by.


The properly-metal one? Or the one that quickly replaced it, with plastic wings? I originally had the one with pastic wings, then later sold that one, and replaced it with the all-metal one. It's somehow managed to stay intact for 20 years, except for that time it fell off the base under it's own weight.

After picking up the Balin's Tomb game, I now have 11 Gandalfs (Ganfalves? Gandalfen?)


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 Tim the Biovore wrote:
Picked up Escape from Orthanc and the Battle at Khazad-dum off eBay earlier this year, and Ambush at Amon Hen from the previous MTO, but I'll probably pick up the other two.

Weathertop is the one I'm most keen for, I love the Ringwraith sculpts, but can't stand GW resin. Shame the additional four aren't exactly easy to find


Did they ever sell the other four separately? I've got one of them, somehow, but as far as I can tell the only way to get them is to buy the set of nine, which obviously leaves you with five duplicates. As it stands, if you want to be a Ringwraith completist, you'll need 63 different models. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11276980.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11276980.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread Hopefully they do an MtO of the old Easterling warrior, Kataphracts and mounted warpriest sculpts.


 Tim the Biovore wrote:
Sword doesn't look like the scimitars we normally see, wonder if that has any significance
Looks somewhat Elvish in nature. Amdur wields a elvish blade, but no shield. So this could be an alternate/new version of him maybe.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
The properly-metal one? Or the one that quickly replaced it, with plastic wings?
BKD balrog was the all metal one if i remember correctly. The plastic winged one had a whip not a sword.
Did they ever sell the other four separately?
Blister packs.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11277035.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11277035.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:
 AndrewGPaul wrote:
The properly-metal one? Or the one that quickly replaced it, with plastic wings?
BKD balrog was the all metal one if i remember correctly. The plastic winged one had a whip not a sword.
The Bridge of Khazad-dûm version was originally released with metal wings for a short while, then given plastic wings for practical reasons. The second iteration with the whip was then given the same wings I think, but the first sculpt with the sword already had these too.

Did they ever sell the other four separately?
Blister packs.
Don't think the 4 additional sculpts were ever sold separately; only as part of the full set of 9 wraiths on foot (first in metal, later in Finecast). A shame, as I really like the one striding forwards with the sword held vertically, and the one casting a spell is nice too, but they rarely showed up second-hand precisely because they were only sold in the full set, and if anything the original Weathertop 5 would then show up on eBay as a result (the Witch-king being especially prevalent, also being included in the BGiMe magazines and a foot/mounted blister I think).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11277043.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11277043.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11277066.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11277066.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Even more Easterlings you say? Can't remember the last time any one faction got this much focus in one release.


Easterlings needed more options, and now they are getting them]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11277126.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11277126.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:

 Tim the Biovore wrote:
Sword doesn't look like the scimitars we normally see, wonder if that has any significance
Looks somewhat Elvish in nature. Amdur wields a elvish blade, but no shield. So this could be an alternate/new version of him maybe.


Amdur's sword still looks like an easterling sword though, it's only elvish ruleswize.
It might just be a new sergeant with a fancy sword to make him stand out, there only ever was the metal one with halberd (and the Kataphrakt one), so it could be one with a shield.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11277165.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11277165.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11277166.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11277166.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/12/24/warriors-from-a-bygone-age-return-for-christmas-day-pre-orders/

New MTO for Middle-Earth

Thorin's Company



Young Bilbo



Is this the Warhammer World exclusive version of the Company? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11277213.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11277213.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11277226.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11277226.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread FW resin.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11277269.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11277269.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11277511.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11277511.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
So i'll grab these if they're still in FW resin.


They are indeed, and they're up now.

I won't post the link, I don't want to give anyone a heart attack when they see the Australian price tag.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11277591.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11277591.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Tim the Biovore wrote:
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
So i'll grab these if they're still in FW resin.


They are indeed, and they're up now.

I won't post the link, I don't want to give anyone a heart attack when they see the Australian price tag.


This is why I use parents.co.uk as a freight forwarding service ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11277599.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11277599.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Tim the Biovore wrote:
They are indeed, and they're up now.
If they were up, they've been taken down again as I can't see them on the OZ or NZ site.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11277600.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11277600.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:
 Tim the Biovore wrote:
They are indeed, and they're up now.
If they were up, they've been taken down again as I can't see them on the OZ or NZ site.


Just in case you didn't realise, they're on Forgeworld, not GW main (and I can see them on Oz)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11277601.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11277601.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Baragash wrote:
 Tim the Biovore wrote:

I won't post the link, I don't want to give anyone a heart attack when they see the Australian price tag.


This is why I use parents.co.uk as a freight forwarding service


Not a bad idea, might be time to call my brother

Snrub wrote:
 Tim the Biovore wrote:
They are indeed, and they're up now.
If they were up, they've been taken down again as I can't see them on the OZ or NZ site.


https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-AU/thorins-company-2021
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-AU/young-bilbo-2021
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11277605.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11277605.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11277618.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11277618.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread Ah! That would be exactly why I can't find them. Wish I hadn't found them...


Yo what the feth. They want that much for a couple of dwarves. Piss off Forgeworld you scabs.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11277622.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11277622.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
But anyway, merry Christmas all.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11277625.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11277625.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I was a little taken aback by the price too. But screw it. I think it's actually cheaper than when they were sold as blisters and it'll be near impossible to find as a complete set again. Especially at a non-absurd price.

But anyway, merry Christmas all.


I think someone said that they were £108 combined previously, so a £3 increase after being off sale for a few years isn’t too bad.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11277628.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11277628.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:
Ah! That would be exactly why I can't find them. Wish I hadn't found them...


Yo what the feth. They want that much for a couple of dwarves. Piss off Forgeworld you scabs.

My reaction exactly. I'll stick with the plastic ones for like 1/3rd the cost. $155 US is too much for what you get. Although it could be worth it to some people, I suppose.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11277801.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11277801.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
I could see myself getting (back) into LoTR models if the Gondorians got some new plastic love.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11277995.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11277995.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread FW love. Updated sculpt for Denethor and Irolas. Hurin and Ingold plus the rangers.

Plastics wise there's not a whole lot they need. Plastic Citadel Guard and maybe a trebuchet would be about it. I should think they'll probably do a plastic Boromir/Faramir at some point. Might even get two sets of each. Captain/Fellowship Boromir and Ranger/Captain Faramir. Both are needed and both require foot/mounted versions.

Possibly a plastic Beregond too if we're lucky.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11278015.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11278015.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11278018.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11278018.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Baragash wrote:
 Tim the Biovore wrote:
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
So i'll grab these if they're still in FW resin.


They are indeed, and they're up now.

I won't post the link, I don't want to give anyone a heart attack when they see the Australian price tag.


This is why I use parents.co.uk as a freight forwarding service


As a small business owner in the US....Thank you! So many cancelled orders lately because the post office has a moratorium on shipments to AUS and NZ.


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Carlovonsexron wrote:
Gosh, I'd love a plastic captain Boromir to work with to make a Dol Amroth, or other fiefdom hero/commander.


Can I interest you in alternative miniatures?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11278054.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11278054.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Plastic is attractive both because of it's strength vs. falling but ease of cutting to make conversions with. I'm rarely happy with things 'out of the box' to that's an important factor to me.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11278060.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11278060.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11278188.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11278188.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Eiríkr wrote:
Osgiliath boxset (in the same manner as Pelennor), coming to your table in 2022/2023.

I'd expect a Last Alliance box set, if I'm gonna be real here.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11278190.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11278190.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11278198.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11278198.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Eiríkr wrote:
Two Towers twentieth anniversary in 2022, we'll see.

Amazon has a Third Second Age TV series coming...and the Last Alliance models look like junk. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11278204.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11278204.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread Id put money on the Amazon series being complete garbage and an absolute mangling of the universe and Tolkien's vision. I hope GW dont get the rights to it and start making models from it. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11278284.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11278284.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Will it look cool? Probably.

Would I want models from it to tell my own stories with? Probably.

I have to admit, it's the upcoming series that has my interest piqued in LoTR again, even if what I'm most interested in exploring and playing out story wise are adventures in the 4th age.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11278337.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11278337.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Id put money on the Amazon series being complete garbage and an absolute mangling of the universe and Tolkien's vision. I hope GW dont get the rights to it and start making models from it.


After the total wretched disaster that Amazon has turned WoT into, I no longer have high hopes for their LOTR series. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11278366.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11278366.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11278598.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11278598.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW will have nothing to do with it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11278610.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11278610.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I really doubt they're going to have anything to do with the tv show. I can't imagine Amazon would want to share their show with the movies in game form. So i would think it would have to be a totally seperate game, which i just don't see happening.


I think that's overly 'optimistic'*.

Amazon is almost surely banking on people having fond memories of Lord of the Rings, even after all the drawn-out Hobbit trilogy hullabaloo in order to get viewers.

Amazon is also very, very, VERY sure to have seen how well Games Workshop has been doing the last few years.

Games workshop is sure to have fond memories of the money baths from the original LoTR bubble. And while they are sure to be much more cautious given that the Hobbit as a game never took off, they do already have thier hand in the pot, so to speak.

I also think it's no coincidence that LoTR has been given a new lease on life in parallel with the Amazon series being announced and developed.


I couldn't hazard to say if it will or won't happen, but I do think there is a lot in favor of GW getting the license for the amazon series. Enough to where i suspect it actually GW's choice as to if they want to accept it or not.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11278924.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11278924.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW having to pay for another licence just to get ahold of Amazon OC's. As they already have access to the written material for the second age. It would basically be paying for the same material twice. And again, that's even if Amazon would want their own creation being mixed in with an existing game.

And this isn't even taking account into the huge power disparity between the ages. Characters from the second age tend to be massively over characters from the thiird. It would be difficult to balance them in properly to the game. Numenor at fuill power would absoluitely obliterate any third age force for example.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11278997.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11278997.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11279034.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11279034.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:
Amon Hen is up and damn that is sexy. No bare resin shots unfortunately, but the attention to detail is fantastic.
Big too,
FW wrote:- Width: 265mm
- Length: 280mm
- Height: 175mm


The price however... not so fantastic. $334AUD they want.
There's a painting guide on the WarCom website that gives a bit more of an idea of what you'd actually get in the kit: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/12/09/paint-amon-hen-like-its-right-out-of-the-film-with-this-new-downloadable-guide/ (pdf at the bottom of the page)
It's too stupid an amount of money, and yet... I do love Amon Hen.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11280339.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11280339.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/razgush-and-muzgur-ravagers-of-the-north-2022]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11281098.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11281098.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11281103.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11281103.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11281144.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11281144.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11281153.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11281153.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11281605.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11281605.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Compare that to a Conquest event at 14/16, a KoW Clash of Kings tourney at 19/50 with numerous casual KoW events at about 1/4th signups, and a Song of Ice and Fire tournament at 15/64 with a few Demo events and team tournies at various levels of attendance. Seemed pretty wild to me that the Middle Earth game is smoking all of those (at least in terms of attendance at one of America's biggest gaming events, possibly biggest?) other non-AoS fantasy games listed above at a comfortable margin.

I never really got into this game, and generally skip over Warcom and White Dwarf articles in favor of the games that I enjoy, and in my silly (but time/space restricted) bias I never stopped to think that they are making this content for a dedicated and loyal player base. I always thought they were putting in the motions because they had the IP and had to do something with it. Lo and behold the game looks to be in a great spot.


]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11292551.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11292551.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/01/20/defend-the-north-with-classic-made-to-order-heroes-from-middle-earth/

I get the theme is to go with Defence of the North, but Haldir's elves again? I'm surprised they don't just become a range item at this point.

Galadriel who i'm certain we had last time as well.

Captain of Dale who should actually be a permanent item. But a full warband of the old metal Easterlings and Goblins is very cool however.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11293128.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11293128.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
There are still some rare models which we haven’t seen yet so shame they are repeating some quite frequently.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11293146.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11293146.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Metal Easterlings was a surprise, but no Mounted Warpriest?

Haldir's Elves(tm) must sell pretty well to keep coming back, but I remember them being very popular even back in the day.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11293177.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11293177.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Haldir's elves have always been popular, but this is what, the fourth time now?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11293185.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11293185.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11293202.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11293202.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11293210.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11293210.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
The material they were released in orignially. So everything here should be metal.


Save the Dale Captain I suspect, GW had gone finecast before any of the Hobbit stuff came out.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11293218.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11293218.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread I neglected to get any of the metal elves the last 2 times they went up for MTO and I can never find any at a reasonable price, despite how common they are.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11293320.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11293320.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11293359.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11293359.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11293366.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11293366.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
jullevi wrote:
Did the Made-to-Order with Attack at Weathertop, Ambush at Amon Hen, The Battle at Khazad-dûm etc. happen already or are we waiting for that one too?


Not yet. That article said next year (this year), but not when specifically. This one actually says Feb.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11293377.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11293377.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
I'll definitely grab some of those Easterlings, if only because they actually have the correct ratio of pikes to swords (unlike the plastic box that has it reversed for some reason). Of course, if the price is completely ridiculous I'll give it a miss though. I like the Haldir's Elves models, but if I want Galadhrim models I'll probably just stick with the plastic ones (which look pretty good TBH). The Goblins are tempting if only because the plastic ones have aged so poorly; again depending on price I might grab a set.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11293511.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11293511.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11293544.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11293544.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11294368.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11294368.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Tyr13 wrote:
Plastic goblins are alright, but the metal ones make for great captains. Thats how I use mine anyway. Very little risk of mistaking them for other models. And more variety in posing. Win-win, basically.


That is exactly how I use mine. They make great captain models. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11294486.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11294486.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread More Easterling characters.

A Not!Captain and the head War-Priest which shouldn't really surprise anyone.



Defence of the North sure is taking it's sweet time.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11301329.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11301329.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11301334.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11301334.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Also, between these two and the as-of-yet unnamed Emperor, there are now as many named characters for the Easterlings as there are warrior options. Interesting place to be.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11301335.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11301335.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11301336.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11301336.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11301342.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11301342.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11301348.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11301348.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11301349.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11301349.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Still, not a huge issue.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11301350.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11301350.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11301354.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11301354.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Man, it's been a long time since I watched those movies.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11301462.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11301462.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
But i think the squat look is because his legs are slightly bent in a brace pose. Angle doesn't help either.

Assuming you're talking about Rutabi, then according to the article... she, not he.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11301472.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11301472.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11301501.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11301501.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 krijthebold wrote:
Kind of a silly hand pose, but otherwise pretty neat.


Isn't he French? I thought he either gave or is about to give the French "Hi" to the Brits. :p]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11301825.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11301825.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Tim the Biovore wrote:
Very nice looking sculpts. Personally would have preferred a new sculpt for the generic Dragon Knight that loses the bath robe, but I'll not be saying no to these.

Also, between these two and the as-of-yet unnamed Emperor, there are now as many named characters for the Easterlings as there are warrior options. Interesting place to be.


It might sound like a long shot, but I would be willing to wager there is still more to come. The plastic easterlings models don't even have a command available anymore. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11301840.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11301840.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Davor wrote:
 krijthebold wrote:
Kind of a silly hand pose, but otherwise pretty neat.


Isn't he French? I thought he either gave or is about to give the French "Hi" to the Brits. :p


Other way round isn’t it? British ‘salute’ to the French? As the story goes anyway. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11301854.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11301854.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 ImAGeek wrote:
Davor wrote:
 krijthebold wrote:
Kind of a silly hand pose, but otherwise pretty neat.


Isn't he French? I thought he either gave or is about to give the French "Hi" to the Brits. :p


Other way round isn’t it? British ‘salute’ to the French? As the story goes anyway.


Correct, the bowman's salute is a false legend that the French would cut off the bow fingers of any English archer they captured, so the salute is a way of saying 'I can loose an arrow'.

Nice tale, but sadly there is no evidence to support it.

As for the model, very nice, the pose is quite menacing.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11301863.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11301863.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11301981.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11301981.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread

Inquisitor Gideon wrote:I actually really like the hand pose. It's an archetypal villain stance.
It's the "I have the Power" clutching nothing hand gesture.
zombie_sky_diver wrote:It might sound like a long shot, but I would be willing to wager there is still more to come. The plastic easterlings models don't even have a command available anymore.
Do you mean this command? It's still available on the AUS website, albeit Temporarily out of Stock.
Carlovonsexron wrote:Are these guys plastic?
Forgeworld most likely.
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Carlovonsexron wrote:
Are these guys plastic?

Almost certainly resin.

For the foreseeable I'd only expect major film-present characters to be in plastic.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11301990.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11301990.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Carlovonsexron wrote:
Are these guys plastic?
Pastry. You have to put them together with egg-wash.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11301997.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11301997.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11302025.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11302025.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
But only if you really knead them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11302132.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11302132.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread lol]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11302148.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11302148.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Personally I thought he was doing the whole "point at my eyes and then point at yours" threatening gesture.

There's probably a name for that.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11302223.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11302223.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 krijthebold wrote:
I've learned a bit about pointing in this thread!

Personally I thought he was doing the whole "point at my eyes and then point at yours" threatening gesture.

There's probably a name for that.


I have my eyes on you, or, I'm watching you, or, watch yourself]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11302225.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11302225.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread Do you mean this command? It's still available on the AUS website, albeit Temporarily out of Stock.
Carlovonsexron wrote:Are these guys plastic?
Forgeworld most likely.


Interesting... that Easterling command isn't available in the US


*edit: I quoted the prior post incorrect. Not sure what I did.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11302886.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11302886.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11303075.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11303075.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread FAQ's available. One even comes from the future! (error on month )]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11303916.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11303916.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11303927.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11303927.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Baragash wrote:
I quite like the pose, but I think this may be the meme you've been looking for....


Now there's a post that I'm happy to exalt.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11303931.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11303931.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
tneva82 wrote:
New FAQ's available. One even comes from the future! (error on month )


Here's the link to the community announcement which itself has a link to the actual FAQs: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/02/03/dragon-cults-and-powerful-heroes-headline-februarys-middle-earth-strategy-battle-game-faqs/

You're welcome! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11304239.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11304239.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/02/06/sunday-preview-dominate-the-eightpoints-and-middle-earth-with-next-weeks-pre-orders/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sunday-preview&utm_content=sundaypreview060222&fbclid=IwAR3olvM_kM7i9qipxIZbUwey9DWAThSuk-YoHH5gxU07s_Inm49Nwws_JAk

Personally, i think it will just be a warband of unarmoured wood elves for me. Nothing else screams at me.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11306197.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11306197.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11306214.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11306214.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11306218.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11306218.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11306230.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11306230.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Probably grab the goblin shaman as he's not all that common. Hopefully be able to squeeze in the Easterling horde too.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11306266.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11306266.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11306289.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11306289.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:
Looks like I'll be missing out on Haldirs elves again.


Better hurry, you'll only have another dozen or so chances to get them ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11306317.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11306317.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11306329.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11306329.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Tim the Biovore wrote:
Better hurry, you'll only have another dozen or so chances to get them

Yeah they certainly wont be made available again for when the Two Towers based MTO rolls around.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11306335.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11306335.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread Ruins of Osgiliath quietly slipped back into production? I'd swear blind that they weren't available earlier in the year.... ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11307238.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11307238.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11307241.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11307241.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
tneva82 wrote:
Stuff goes out of stock and back all the time.

This isn't an "in and out of stock" situation. They flatout were not for sale for a chunk of time.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11307357.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11307357.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11307371.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11307371.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11307372.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11307372.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Kanluwen wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
Stuff goes out of stock and back all the time.

This isn't an "in and out of stock" situation. They flatout were not for sale for a chunk of time.

So were Easterling Kataphracts but with Defence coming out soon no way were they getting rid of those.

I'd just blame GW's bizzaro IT system/website being it's usual self.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11307442.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11307442.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11307456.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11307456.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread UK?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11307485.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11307485.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
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Eiríkr wrote:
They've been available to purchase at WHW for a long time, I haven't ever seen them disappear from the shelves. I'm fairly certain that I've also been able to find them online too, most of the time, so maybe this is something made visible for those outside of the UK?

WHW has had a lot of stuff like this still available over the years...but yeah. It wasn't available on the US webstore for at least two years. I had it on a wishlist I made a few years back, it ceased being there--and it was the only item removed.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11307644.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11307644.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Kanluwen wrote:
It wasn't available on the US webstore for at least two years.
Definitely wasn't available on the OZ site either for I couldn't tell you how long. A few years at least.



As an aside, it's come back at the same price too! Which is nice.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11307678.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11307678.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread https://variety.com/2022/film/news/lord-of-the-rings-hobbit-tolkien-zaentz-rights-sale-1235176036/

Hollywood is about to stampede into Middle Earth. An array of movie, merchandising, gaming and live event rights to “Lord of the Rings,” “The Hobbit” and other titles from author J.R.R. Tolkien are coming up for auction now that the Saul Zaentz Co. has decided to sell its Tolkien holdings.
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 krijthebold wrote:
It surprised me too. Does anyone know how it is as a terrain piece? The price seems all right, if nothing else.


It's one of the best terrain pieces in an already excellent range of scenery. Seriously great value for how characterful and useful it is.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11308936.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11308936.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
I hope so. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11309149.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11309149.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
zombie_sky_diver wrote:
You think there is a chance we'll get an easterling chariot model in this new book?

I hope so.


I hope so too. That would be great. I would also like so Rhun Drakes as well. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11309804.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11309804.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11309947.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11309947.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
zombie_sky_diver wrote:
You think there is a chance we'll get an easterling chariot model in this new book?

I hope so.

Seems to be a surprising lack of Khand in this book, so I doubt it. If there's anymore than the Dragon Emperor to reveal it'll be a pleasant surprise.

Santtu wrote:
The Captain of Dale is metal, is this the first time that a model that was originally Finecast has returned in metal?

I'd not be too shocked if it was a mistake on their part. I think there's a few cases on the webstore where a model is listed as metal/Finecrap and it's the opposite.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11309949.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11309949.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:
Have the Ruins of Osgiliath quietly slipped back into production? I'd swear blind that they weren't available earlier in the year....


It seems to be 'temporarily out of stock' on the UK site, and also has all its copyright information in German, for some reason.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11310023.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11310023.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11310237.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11310237.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Santtu wrote:
The Captain of Dale is metal, is this the first time that a model that was originally Finecast has returned in metal?


Confirmed by the MESBG team on Facebook it's an error.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11310361.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11310361.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 judgedoug wrote:
 krijthebold wrote:
It surprised me too. Does anyone know how it is as a terrain piece? The price seems all right, if nothing else.


It's one of the best terrain pieces in an already excellent range of scenery. Seriously great value for how characterful and useful it is.


Much thanks! Today may be the day that I actually buy some terrain, then]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11310442.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11310442.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11310449.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11310449.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
https://variety.com/2021/film/news/lord-of-the-rings-anime-the-war-of-the-rohirrim-new-line-cinema-warner-bros-animation-1234993740/

That might sell some Rohan minis.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11310705.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11310705.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Hope the animation quality is up to scratch.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11310742.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11310742.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread gw have the license for the Amazon show? I thought the trailer looked pretty good. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11310744.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11310744.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Chikout wrote:
Does gw have the license for the Amazon show? I thought the trailer looked pretty good.


If they have, they haven't announced it as far as I know. Would be an entirely separate deal to their existing license (one would assume) so they may just not have seen the value in attempting it. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11310747.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11310747.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Grumpy Gnome wrote:
Maybe old news for the rest of you but I only just came across this…

https://variety.com/2021/film/news/lord-of-the-rings-anime-the-war-of-the-rohirrim-new-line-cinema-warner-bros-animation-1234993740/

That might sell some Rohan minis.


That does sound more promising than the Amazon show. I can't find any indication on when this might be released yet.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11311032.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11311032.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11311037.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11311037.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 krijthebold wrote:
It's a bit hard to get excited about an anime without seeing any images yet, for me at least.


What you need is that time machine people are using to unconditionally say the Amazon series is gak.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11311171.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11311171.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 .Mikes. wrote:
What you need is that time machine people are using to unconditionally say the Amazon series is gak.

Same as with Witcher, racists see someone with slightly darker skin color and start rabidly screeching. Even for a character who comes from a place (in either setting) located where Africa or Middle East is in real life. Not that logic has any bearing for these types.

And the even funnier part is, the 'white' medieval Europe these imbeciles imagine never actually existed to begin with, and the trope had been debunked thousands of times, not that, once again, facts can do anything about these delusions:

https://fakehistoryhunter.net/2019/09/10/medieval-myths-bingo/#notraciallydiverse]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11311389.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11311389.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11311392.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11311392.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11311457.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11311457.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
I was not trying to make this a thing.

The idea of an anime based in Rohan might be a lot of fun, I'd just like to see more than a few paragraphs, you know?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11311467.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11311467.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
https://variety.com/2022/film/news/lord-of-the-rings-the-war-of-the-rohirrim-release-date-1235181646/]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11311499.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11311499.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 krijthebold wrote:
The idea of an anime based in Rohan might be a lot of fun, I'd just like to see more than a few paragraphs, you know?


More Middle Earth is just great. I'm keen for all of it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11311815.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11311815.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 .Mikes. wrote:
 krijthebold wrote:
It's a bit hard to get excited about an anime without seeing any images yet, for me at least.


What you need is that time machine people are using to unconditionally say the Amazon series is gak.


If I see someone take a turd in a sandwich, I don't then need to eat it to be able to tell you it tastes like turd...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11311836.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11311836.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11311891.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11311891.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 queen_annes_revenge wrote:


If I see someone take a turd in a sandwich, I don't then need to eat it to be able to tell you it tastes like turd...


I'd expect not. But we're not talking about defecating into bread products. What you're doing is guessing. To use your analogy, someone has offered you a sandwich and you can't see it. You say it's a terrible sandwich, and the waiter asks you how you know, and you say something about someone taking a dump in front of them. You're then asked to leave the store, and you say why, at what point did someone start using images of feces become a crime? And they say, not this again. And you say no one will ever make a Lord of the Rings Adaptation like Peter Jackson, and the waiter says Peter Jackson's films were also held in wide suspicion before release, as you would know if your on message boards in the late 90s, and would you please stop using 'feces' in front of the other customers.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11311926.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11311926.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread MESBG. Could we get the whole thing back on topic? Pretty sure there's a thread over in Geek Media for those who want to discuss the show itself.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11311996.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11311996.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLz_OhMXoAAXdnb?format=jpg&name=900x900]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11312835.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11312835.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11312896.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11312896.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
They might be learning what sort of numbers they need from previous MTO orders and have pre-cast a whole bunch.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11312994.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11312994.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11313284.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11313284.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11314054.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11314054.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11314352.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11314352.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11314362.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11314362.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I wish they'd just get the emperor and book out at this point. This is such a dragged on release now considering it started back with the acolytes.

Weren't they revealed about a year ago now?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11314408.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11314408.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Arbitrator wrote:
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I wish they'd just get the emperor and book out at this point. This is such a dragged on release now considering it started back with the acolytes.

Weren't they revealed about a year ago now?
The acolytes? First teased 31/12/20, revealed 22/2/21 (so almost a year to the day) and then released 20/3/21.

So yeah, they've been dragging this one out.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11314419.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11314419.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:
 Arbitrator wrote:
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I wish they'd just get the emperor and book out at this point. This is such a dragged on release now considering it started back with the acolytes.

Weren't they revealed about a year ago now?
The acolytes? First teased 31/12/20, revealed 22/2/21 (so almost a year to the day) and then released 20/3/21.

So yeah, they've been dragging this one out.


So I that rate we can expect the Emperor and Black Dragons within the next 2 years.

Oh joy, it's just like waiting for the Winds of Winder. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11314459.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11314459.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
But as usual, backlog is big enough, we must not be hasty. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11314487.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11314487.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Yeah, I was surprised to see only these two heroes and nothing else in the preorder. Just give us the book already
But as usual, backlog is big enough, we must not be hasty.

Okay Treebeard, we won't be hasty.

I feel everyone on the waiting thing, especially since I've decided to focus on Easterlings as my main Evil army. I'm really looking forward to the book for both the Easterlings and for the fluff; it's one part of Lord of the Rings that a lot of people forget about since it wasn't in the movies at all (not even a mention except in the extended edition where Aragorn tells Gimli that his kin at Erebor are probably going to have their own battles to fight).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11314489.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11314489.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Also do we have any idea when DotN is coming? I'm keen to re-enter Middle Earth with an updated Easterling and Dwarf army! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11314673.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11314673.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11314677.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11314677.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
chaos0xomega wrote:
Are the easterling heroes resin or plastic?

Almost certainly resin.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11314679.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11314679.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
chaos0xomega wrote:
Are the easterling heroes resin or plastic?


Personally i'm expecting the emperor to be plastic. We haven't had our quarterly plastic kit yet and he's the only thing left right now.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11314680.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11314680.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Fergie0044 wrote:
Huh, surprised to see the new Easterling heroes go up for pre-order before the Black Dragons and new Dale units, both of which were teased much much earlier.

Also do we have any idea when DotN is coming? I'm keen to re-enter Middle Earth with an updated Easterling and Dwarf army!


New Dale units? Which one apart from Knights, already available at FW?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11314940.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11314940.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11315177.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11315177.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11315608.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11315608.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread Dragon Emperor reveal.



]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11325992.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11325992.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
I know its probably in resin, but is it too much to hope for it to be plastic instead?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11326003.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11326003.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11326004.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11326004.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread And two guys more to carry him would have been more believable I think. Pretty large Palanquin for those 6.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11326012.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11326012.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW goes

Very pleased with how things have gone for the Easterlings, especially if the Black Dragon kit has the option to assemble them all with pikes (and thus helping negate the lack of them in plastic). Still wish we got new sculpts for both versions of the Dragon Knight and the footslogging War Priest, but then we can't have it all.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11326026.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11326026.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread I'm glad i have an Easterling army already or i'd be starting one.
But i have a strong feeling this will be plastic. As we still haven't had our quarterly plastic kit and this is the last thing to be shown.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11326049.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11326049.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Sgt. Cortez wrote:

And two guys more to carry him would have been more believable I think. Pretty large Palanquin for those 6.


Yeah. Especially since the six are expected to be able to defend themselves. Might be a bit hard for the other guys if one (or more) of them decides to not carry the palanquin for a few moments to fight some Gondorian. Even one handing a sword might be tough]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11326073.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11326073.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread TBH the palanquin looks really plastic, especially the screen pattern on the sides of it and the dragon decor. to the sides, but I've already been burned hoping that some of the other Easterling previews would be plastic, so I'm not getting my hopes up.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11326082.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11326082.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
chaos0xomega wrote:
TBH the palanquin looks really plastic, especially the screen pattern on the sides of it and the dragon decor. to the sides, but I've already been burned hoping that some of the other Easterling previews would be plastic, so I'm not getting my hopes up.


I share these sentiments exactly.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11326114.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11326114.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11326123.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11326123.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11326127.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11326127.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11326138.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11326138.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11326142.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11326142.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GWs centre-piece model method permeating Middle-earth, but it's gorgeous none the less.

From what they hinted at rules-wise he's looks like he's going to be heard to shift. I'm predicting at minimum Fight and defence of at least 6 (gotta be on par with Amdur) and a rule for special armour, plus I'll bet he's got the shielding rule too thanks to his elven glaive (ala Galadhrim Court Guard) or some sort of attack and riposte type rule.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11326147.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11326147.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 GaroRobe wrote:
Sgt. Cortez wrote:

And two guys more to carry him would have been more believable I think. Pretty large Palanquin for those 6.


Yeah. Especially since the six are expected to be able to defend themselves. Might be a bit hard for the other guys if one (or more) of them decides to not carry the palanquin for a few moments to fight some Gondorian. Even one handing a sword might be tough


I'd have to imagine that before the combat starts, they would place it down and then when everything is dead they'd pick it up again and move on.


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 Snrub wrote:
Gorgeous. I don't know I like the idea of the GWs centre-piece model method permeating Middle-earth, but it's gorgeous none the less.

From what they hinted at rules-wise he's looks like he's going to be heard to shift. I'm predicting at minimum Fight and defence of at least 6 (gotta be on par with Amdur) and a rule for special armour, plus I'll bet he's got the shielding rule too thanks to his elven glaive (ala Galadhrim Court Guard) or some sort of attack and riposte type rule.


To be fair, center-pieces have been a thing in the game ever since the Balrog back in the Fellowship days. You just never tended to see them that often due to their higher points values.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11326148.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11326148.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
To be fair, center-pieces have been a thing in the game ever since the Balrog back in the Fellowship days. You just never tended to see them that often due to their higher points values.
Sorry, I should have been more specific, I meant centre-pieces models in the mini diorama style of Katakros or the Triumph of St Katerine, rather then just a large monster such the Balrog, Watcher or Beast of Gorgoroth. Those are fine.

I know the Dragon Emperor isn't a mini diorama like Katakros or the Triumph. But it's got to be on at least an 80mm base. No middle-earth non-monster is on a base that big. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11326167.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11326167.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11326172.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11326172.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11326196.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11326196.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Right so base size is not wholly unprecedented I suppose. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11326220.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11326220.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Arbitrator wrote:
I'd be stunned if anything that's not a movie-character/unit is plastic.


Dol Amroth knights are plastic, or at least the mounted ons are. So are the Easterling horsemen.

So there is the tiniest amount of precedence to set me up for disappointment :]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11326407.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11326407.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW confirmed on their community page that is is resin from FW.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11326457.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11326457.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11326599.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11326599.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Pretty cool model. But I think I'd swap his weapon for an Easterling halberd, it looks "too asian" for my taste.

"Too Asian" for a model in samurai armor, with samurai helmet/menpo, surrounded by Japanese dragons, Asian palanquin, under Eastern-style banner, and a few other details like that?

Funnily enough, his glaive looks least Asian out of all this

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
And two guys more to carry him would have been more believable I think. Pretty large Palanquin for those 6.

If it was made in medieval Asia, then outside of carrying beams and the floor, most of the thing would be made out of lacquered paper or hollowed out, lacquered wood making it pretty light. Seeing traditional, fully enclosed Chinese palanquin can be carried by as few as two men, eh, don't think this one is particularly unrealistic. Yes construction would be pretty expensive and labor consuming but if someone can afford it, it's this dude...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11326696.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11326696.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Irbis wrote:
Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Pretty cool model. But I think I'd swap his weapon for an Easterling halberd, it looks "too asian" for my taste.

"Too Asian" for a model in samurai armor, with samurai helmet/menpo, surrounded by Japanese dragons, Asian palanquin, under Eastern-style banner, and a few other details like that?

Funnily enough, his glaive looks least Asian out of all this

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
And two guys more to carry him would have been more believable I think. Pretty large Palanquin for those 6.

If it was made in medieval Asia, then outside of carrying beams and the floor, most of the thing would be made out of lacquered paper or hollowed out, lacquered wood making it pretty light. Seeing traditional, fully enclosed Chinese palanquin can be carried by as few as two men, eh, don't think this one is particularly unrealistic. Yes construction would be pretty expensive and labor consuming but if someone can afford it, it's this dude...


For you his armament might look Asian (and I definitely agree on his facemask) but for me Easterling soldiers were closer to middle eastern warriors or macedonian successor states in design what with the whole Phalanx thing. But GW/FW definitely gave them a more far eastern spin with these last miniatures. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11326746.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11326746.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread -the helmet is designed nothing like a menpo
-the dragons... okay, yeah they are vaguley japanese like
-the palanquin is designed nothing at all like any that were commonly used in "asia" (assuming here that "asian" is being used to mean japanese/chinese) and is decidedly more Indian/Persian/middle eastern, etc.

but yes a bit silly to complain about the halberd. They've always been a mix of middle eastern and east asian influences.
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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/03/17/warriors-of-moria-and-lake-town-return-to-the-middle-earth-strategy-battle-game/]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11328220.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11328220.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11328232.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11328232.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread OOP for so long and the latter was a very unremarkable, overpriced sculpt, wonder if it's a way of shifting excess stock.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11328238.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11328238.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11328244.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11328244.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Arbitrator wrote:
Combining the War Priest and Dragon Knight is a bit odd. Since the former has been OOP for so long and the latter was a very unremarkable, overpriced sculpt, wonder if it's a way of shifting excess stock.


I thought that was odd too. Especially since the Dragon Knight HAS BEEN available on the US page for a while now.

It's the Easterling Command set that missing from the US order page. How else can we get captains?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11328250.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11328250.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Not surprised they didn't show off the Blackshield Warband with the six swords and six spears, considering the latter is just the one sculpt ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11328261.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11328261.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Arbitrator wrote:
Combining the War Priest and Dragon Knight is a bit odd. Since the former has been OOP for so long and the latter was a very unremarkable, overpriced sculpt, wonder if it's a way of shifting excess stock.


More likely to reduce SKU's and keep the range more manageable. With all the new Easterling stuff, i expect they're going to be a new flavour army. But very pleased for Moria, that's basically the entire range back in one go. And finally the captains will be getable at non-absurd prices. Edit* Just noticed the Khazad-guard are metal Now lets' please have the same for Iron guard.


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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Oh man I forgot how goofy that dragon was


You wash your mouth out.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11328264.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11328264.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread If you did that to every Failcast model, you could get a lot of money from me, GW ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11328443.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11328443.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11328473.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11328473.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11328523.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11328523.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread

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On a slightly less-related note, has anyone else had long delays ordering stuff from FW recently? I placed an order (preorder actually) for Rutabi and Brorgir (the new Easterling heroes), plus 2 packs of Dragon Cult Acolytes and the Defenders of Helm's Deep models, back on the 25th of February. It's now the 18th of March and the order is still listed as pending. When I look at my order details it says that it should ship within 6 business days. Is it because I'm in the USA and things take longer to ship across the pond?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11328886.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11328886.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread FW.

I placed on order on 2/21 that still hasnt shipped, yet my order from 3/7 shipped right away.

They don't respond to emails. I emailed asking about the 2/21 order. The web page says email them if not shipped in 20 days. I also had emails from back in January about and order issues from last year they still never replied.

I'm glad I pay for overpriced models. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11329141.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11329141.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
I sell regularly on eBay to North America and Australia. My packages to NA (Canada and USA) arrive in 5-7 days, and my packages to Australia arrive no later than 8 days. This is with the basic Royal Mail International Tracked service, which presumably is what FW would be utilising too. Any dedicated courier service would presumably have BETTER delivery times.

So I'd say this is just them not shipping your goods.
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- Erkenbrand
- Eorl the Young
- Sons of Eorl
- Feral Uruk-hai
- Black Numenoreans
- Orc Trackers
- Morder Siege Bow
- Gondor Avenger Bolt Thrower

Groblog and the mounted Dragon Knight are there too, but we already know about their repackaging (EDIT 10 new SKUs get announced, so 10 current SKUs disappear, that explains it)

Seems most are already sold out in most places. Can't help but feel it defeats the purpose of the label to wait until most items are out of stock before applying them
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zombie_sky_diver wrote:
I don't know what's going on with FW.

I placed on order on 2/21 that still hasnt shipped, yet my order from 3/7 shipped right away.

They don't respond to emails. I emailed asking about the 2/21 order. The web page says email them if not shipped in 20 days. I also had emails from back in January about and order issues from last year they still never replied.

I'm glad I pay for overpriced models.


I likewise have an order on day 19 of not having shipped despite being 100% in-stock items. Really awesome, modern-feeling buying experience...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11329248.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11329248.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11329261.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11329261.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Blastaar wrote:
Ugh. Why bring back minis in FailCast? WHY?!


From what I'm seeing they reverted Minis to metal that were sold in metal when they were first released (but got failcasted later on), but they don't turn figures into metal that were released in Failcast. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11329325.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11329325.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Blastaar wrote:
Ugh. Why bring back minis in FailCast? WHY?!


The Middle Earth MTO are usually metal, everything I've ordered since the scheme launched has arrived metal. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11329547.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11329547.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Eiríkr wrote:
Blastaar wrote:
Ugh. Why bring back minis in FailCast? WHY?!


The Middle Earth MTO are usually metal, everything I've ordered since the scheme launched has arrived metal.


Well see what it says when they go live on the we store. The article states several are FailCast. I would like to be pleasantly surprised.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11329592.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11329592.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
I have mostly metal, but some of the Hobbit-era stuff is resin.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11329607.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11329607.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11329626.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11329626.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11330124.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11330124.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11330147.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11330147.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:
Nice of them to give us plenty of advance warning so that we have time to actually get them.


It's disappointing that there's no consistency when it comes to the range rotation. They've announced which things would be going well in advance before, and the 40K LCTB wave that went up at the same time has come with what looks like an MTO guarantee

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/03/20/sunday-preview-avatar-autarch-and-aspect-warriors-aeldari-reinforcements-inbound/

The following units will be going off sale on the 3rd of April, but if you order any of them between now and then, you’ll be guaranteed to get one.


At least they will be back, I guess.

Also, re: resin, as much as I still don't like the material, I've still picked up a few and it's vastly better than the nightmare days of Finecast ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11330180.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11330180.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
They don't use the original failcast stuff anymore, so anything that's actually been cast recently will be in actually good resin.


Are you sure about that? I thought they had merely scrapped the label for obvious reasons and redid some of the worst examples of Failcast like the Gorgorothbeast.
I'm still reading bad Reviews about GW Resin.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11330344.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11330344.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11330354.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11330354.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I'd agree with Ninth on that. I've had some of their resin *finecast* pieces lately and the quality is pretty sound all around. No noticeable holes, not overly thin. Gates are still a pain in the ass, as are bendy spears. But other than that, it's fine.


Now you make me feel bad that I didn't buy those mirkwood elves before the price rise I'm having on my list since years ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11330370.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11330370.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11330656.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11330656.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/04/03/sunday-preview-tyranids-are-coming-and-the-realm-of-beasts-awakens/]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11338831.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11338831.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Boromir full o' arrows here I come!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11338834.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11338834.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11338837.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11338837.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11338839.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11338839.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread FW Gwaihir being £67 on his own ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11338910.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11338910.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Slinky wrote:
Tempted by the Orthanc set, the FW Gwaihir being £67 on his own

Have you seen how tiny the Orthanc one is?

Truthfully, you can make a Gwaihir easily out of the Great Eagles kit. Bonus: you get a second eagle!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11338937.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11338937.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Why would you want a metal Balrog?


He's clearly planning to commit murder.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11339100.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11339100.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Why would you want a metal Balrog?


Why wouldn't you want a metal Balrog?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11339105.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11339105.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread

Edit- 5 if you include the unreleased ice balrog. Impossibly hard to get your hands on though. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11339114.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11339114.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread

Wowee! I've glad I've already got 3 of the 5 of these kits, as they've hiked the price up on them. Amon-hen was $120AUD last time. Now it's $135.
$165 seems a high price for the balrog and gandalf. But considering the metal balrogs tend to be priced upwards of $350+ on ebay, it seems not all too excessive.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11342452.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11342452.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread Was the The Battle at Khazad-dûm AUD$198 when it came out?

Wait, never mind, I was on Kiwiland prices. Still, was it AUD$165 originally?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11342464.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11342464.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Yes I realize the prices I looked at on GW's site are in Aussie dollars (the MTO has yet to go live in the USA), but even when you figure in the conversion those are probably going to be beyond the pale here as well. I may be giving this MTO a miss. Damn shame, as I wanted the metal Fellowship, and I also wanted the metal Balrog as it's cool looking. Amon Hen and Weathertop I was already going to skip, and I was on the fence on Escape from Orthanc. Oh well, maybe next time.

In other news, my FW order that I placed over a month ago finally arrived last week, and wouldn't you know one of the packs of Dragon Cult Acolytes had the wrong arms in it (had 2 of the C arms and none of the A arms). What else could go wrong? I already contacted FW about fixing it, but they haven't replies (it's only been three days, I'm giving them time for now). Very frustrating. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11342469.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11342469.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
H.B.M.C. wrote:[s]Still, was it AUD$165 originally?
Nah. Likely in the $65-80 range i'd say, from waaay back when the movies were released. I'll check my old white dwarfs, I might have it in one of them.

ZergSmasher wrote:Damn shame, as I wanted the metal Fellowship,
If you get but one thing, make sure it's the Fellowship. They're such nice miniatures.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11342501.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11342501.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11342567.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11342567.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:
I'll check my old white dwarfs, I might have it in one of them.
Found it.... and sort of wished I hadn't.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11342595.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11342595.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11342598.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11342598.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW asking price off eBay last year, but just as well.

Was inevitable, but it's a shame that GW now uses Made To Order as a way to get in on the scalper price points ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11342610.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11342610.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:
 Snrub wrote:
I'll check my old white dwarfs, I might have it in one of them.
Found it.... and sort of wished I hadn't.
So a 235% increase in 21 years.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11342614.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11342614.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Tim the Biovore wrote:Was inevitable, but it's a shame that GW now uses Made To Order as a way to get in on the scalper price points
They have slowly been going up over time. Things like Haldir's Elves started out at like $25 for 3 when they first went up for MTO ages ago. The other month when they went up again for about the 4th time, they were $40 a pop.

H.B.M.C. wrote:So a 235% increase in 21 years.
I wonder how that compares to actual inflation over that time (October '01 they were up for pre-order). As I don't doubt for a second GW's inflation is higher the Australian inflation.
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Boom! He looks very pretty, how about those rules though?

- F6 A3 M3 iwth heroic strike
- Board wide stand fast
- +1F for easterlings within 6"
- 12" banner
- Palanquin is a "completely new type of wargear" with W6 and gives him an additional S3 attack for each wound remaining. Plus the expected in the way protection.
- All black dragon upgrades in his warband are free. As a hero of legend this gives you 36pts back (18 warriors at 2pts each)

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11350124.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11350124.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread TM"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11350131.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11350131.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11350137.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11350137.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Arbitrator wrote:
Due to the new article, the book has been delayed by another six months.


Don't make me slap you.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11350196.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11350196.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11350200.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11350200.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
The other two heroes, specially the new commander, feels less deserving of her beffy stats.

Anyway , easterlings are my main army and I'm very excited for actually having hero choices and options! Black Dragons were one of the worst unit upgrades in the game, but looks like they'll be worth it now! (because they are free lol)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11350203.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11350203.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
His rules are interesting. The full stat line and built in banner was expected. The +1 fight is interesting, but limited. The board wide stand fast is the real standout for me personally. I'd be interested in seeing if there will be any sort of degradation rules for the palanquin as it take wounds. Or if it's just going to be 6 outright wounds and then destroyed. Or if there's an option to take the emperor just on foot. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11350206.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11350206.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11350264.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11350264.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I'd be interested in seeing if there will be any sort of degradation rules for the palanquin as it take wounds. Or if it's just going to be 6 outright wounds and then destroyed. Or if there's an option to take the emperor just on foot.


The wording "This means that the model can dish out up to nine Strikes after winning a combat – three from him at Strength 4, and up to six Strength-3 hits from his porters." makes it sound like a degradation profile, but it'd be hard to justify any movement value if the profile accommodates for the deaths of individual porters (unless there were some fluff hand waving involving them being too injured to fight and instead just giving their all to support the palanquin before all of them are overwhelmed and felled)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11350298.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11350298.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:
 Snrub wrote:
I'll check my old white dwarfs, I might have it in one of them.
Found it.... and sort of wished I hadn't.


Those are AUS prices, correct?

I believe the troop boxes (24 infantry or 12 cavalry) were $20US and the scenario box sets were $40US.
Characters were $10US, and 3-pack metals were $12US or 15.
These prices held thru RotK.

It wasn't until after the Battles game came out that they started bumping prices & stripping out sprues from infantry boxes.

Edit: I seem to remember getting the game boxes for $60US?

I know I got FotR & TT for $40 each when RotK came out.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11350336.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11350336.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
 Arbitrator wrote:
Due to the new article, the book has been delayed by another six months.


Don't make me slap you.

Nine months.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11350387.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11350387.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Tim the Biovore wrote:
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I'd be interested in seeing if there will be any sort of degradation rules for the palanquin as it take wounds. Or if it's just going to be 6 outright wounds and then destroyed. Or if there's an option to take the emperor just on foot.


The wording "This means that the model can dish out up to nine Strikes after winning a combat – three from him at Strength 4, and up to six Strength-3 hits from his porters." makes it sound like a degradation profile, but it'd be hard to justify any movement value if the profile accommodates for the deaths of individual porters (unless there were some fluff hand waving involving them being too injured to fight and instead just giving their all to support the palanquin before all of them are overwhelmed and felled)


The previous sentence:
"And if he wins a Duel roll, after he has made his Strikes, the Royal Palanquin may also make Strikes equal to the number of Wounds it has remaining." ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11350579.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11350579.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11350647.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11350647.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 skrulnik wrote:
 Snrub wrote:
 Snrub wrote:
I'll check my old white dwarfs, I might have it in one of them.
Found it.... and sort of wished I hadn't.


Those are AUS prices, correct?

I believe the troop boxes (24 infantry or 12 cavalry) were $20US and the scenario box sets were $40US.
Characters were $10US, and 3-pack metals were $12US or 15.
These prices held thru RotK.

It wasn't until after the Battles game came out that they started bumping prices & stripping out sprues from infantry boxes.

Edit: I seem to remember getting the game boxes for $60US?

I know I got FotR & TT for $40 each when RotK came out.


Your memory sounds right. When I got back into the hobby on the back of LotR, the main games were £40 and troop boxes were £12 for 24 infantry or 6 cavalry. That was 2002.

Back then it was £1 UKP to $2 USD, so the US actually caught a break for once - your $40 starter set "should" have been $80.

That was also the period when the Battle Games in Middle Earth magazine was running. It came with a frame of 12 troops or a metal figure for £4.

The switch to boxes with a single frame of 12 troops was the spring before the first Hobbit movie (I'm going to say spring 2012). The boxes went from £16-17 for 24 to £15 for 12, if I remember aright.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11350657.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11350657.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread

Join us again next week as we welcome a vicious, hard-hitting surprise that even a dragon has reason to fear.

Article!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11354573.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11354573.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11354583.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11354583.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
They hinted next week "something hard hitting a dragon would fear" so I assume it's a bolt thrower or similar. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11354602.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11354602.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
zombie_sky_diver wrote:
I wonder if they will be plastic.


The second sentence says "Now you can add them to your own army with the upcoming Dale Commanders set from Forge World." so I doubt it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11354606.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11354606.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11354623.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11354623.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11354793.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11354793.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11354902.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11354902.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread The Dale Windlance



]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11356302.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11356302.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11356314.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11356314.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11356317.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11356317.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Wouldn't that be "Precise", actually?


No, since it can still scatter in any direction, but is closer to the intended target. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11356325.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11356325.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread AA mount? Did Sauron have that many dragons/balrogs? Because you can't hit any ground target with it, unless enemy is on a hill...

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Wouldn't that be "Precise", actually?

No. 'Precision' in measurement means you're hitting the same point, even if it's off of what you aimed for. 'Accuracy' means you're hitting close to aim target, even if not the same spot each time, like this thing ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11356352.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11356352.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11356358.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11356358.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11356492.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11356492.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11359494.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11359494.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11359549.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11359549.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread TM]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11359556.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11359556.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11359618.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11359618.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11359781.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11359781.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Note 1: The Beornings all come with alternative head options and options to build them with either bows or axes.

Note 2: What the hell colour is Grimbeorns' tunic? I've been staring at it and i can't puzzle out what it actually is.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11359788.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11359788.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11359881.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11359881.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW surprising me again with something I actually like. Nice.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11360039.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11360039.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11360154.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11360154.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11360168.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11360168.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11360175.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11360175.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11360189.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11360189.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 krijthebold wrote:
I could bear to get some of those guys,


ba-dum tish!

I'll be tempted to get the bear just because it's a really great bear model.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11360467.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11360467.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread

Grimbeorn and the Beornings are really nice sculpts, detailed but uncluttered. They are some of the nicest woodsmen/villager type sculpts I think i've ever seen. The bear however... Oh dear. Really shows up how terrible GW's current method of digitally sculpting fur is. Admittedly, better then the "fur" on this praetor and these terminators, but not a patch on the likes of the fur on Hvarl Redblade or the Wolfkin. The head on the bear however, is fantastically detailed. And whoever painted it certainly earned their paycheck with those eyes]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11360556.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11360556.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11360558.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11360558.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:
The bear however... Oh dear. Really shows up how terrible GW's current method of digitally sculpting fur is. Admittedly, better then the "fur" on this praetor and these terminators, but not a patch on the likes of the fur on Hvarl Redblade or the Wolfkin. The head on the bear however, is fantastically detailed. And whoever painted it certainly earned their paycheck with those eyes


Charitably, and contrary to the face, I have to insist the main problem with the fur is the way it's painted. They went too bright with the highlight, and they've highlighted far too much of it. It's the traditional Citadel style of painting to show the details of the miniature rather than the miniature itself. Certainly isn't the best looking fur they've sculpted by a long shot, but they'd done themselves no favours with that approach.


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It's here at last

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/08/sunday-preview-witch-aelves-spectral-hordes-and-the-defence-of-the-north/

Bafflingly, all of those sculpts "returning to the range" are listed here as Made to Order. Hopefully a mistake? Considering they're all profiles in the supplement that won't even be out before they disappear again if it's true.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11360570.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11360570.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11360674.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11360674.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
zombie_sky_diver wrote:
Well that's a massing pre-order release next week. Didn't expect it all at once. Man am I screwed.

Can we get an F in the thread for this person's wallet, please?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11360683.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11360683.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread DoK book as well.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11360688.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11360688.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW lets us all think those models are coming back to the range on a (semi) permanent basis, and then announces that they are actually a MTO thing? Dick move GW. Now it's just another FOMO cash grab. Hoo boy, now I have to buy all of the stuff I want at once or I miss it. Somebody better press F for my wallet too... ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11360706.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11360706.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW, has confirmed its a mistake in the article and they are not MTO.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11360714.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11360714.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11360819.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11360819.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Aeneades wrote:
Rob Alderman, head of the MEBG team at GW, has confirmed its a mistake in the article and they are not MTO.


That makes sense, it seemed like more an issue of poor formatting.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11360834.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11360834.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 ZergSmasher wrote:
So GW lets us all think those models are coming back to the range on a (semi) permanent basis, and then announces that they are actually a MTO thing? Dick move GW. Now it's just another FOMO cash grab. Hoo boy, now I have to buy all of the stuff I want at once or I miss it. Somebody better press F for my wallet too...


wow what a reaction

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11360838.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11360838.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
I'm gonna want at least one of just about everything listed, but at least now I don't have to do it all at once!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11360853.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11360853.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread

A small part of me does remains skeptical about this being a MTO though. Take the Blackshields for example. They normally don't re-release full warbands into the range when they could have released it as "Blackshields" and "Blackshield Command" or even the disparate command elements. The complete warband is something they've started doing for MTOs (See previous Easterling and Goblin Warriors) but not as a general release.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11360883.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11360883.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 krijthebold wrote:
Aeneades wrote:
Rob Alderman, head of the MEBG team at GW, has confirmed its a mistake in the article and they are not MTO.


That makes sense, it seemed like more an issue of poor formatting.


Lotr part was poorly written to begin with. Claims you could preorder stuff right now...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11360927.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11360927.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW needs to hire someone who is capable to manage their web site.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11360954.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11360954.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:

A small part of me does remains skeptical about this being a MTO though. Take the Blackshields for example. They normally don't re-release full warbands into the range when they could have released it as "Blackshields" and "Blackshield Command" or even the disparate command elements. The complete warband is something they've started doing for MTOs (See previous Easterling and Goblin Warriors) but not as a general release.


The ME team mentioned they will be doing this as it allows them to keep more SKUs available, takes up less space that multiple packs, is easier to run one warband on a mold at a time. (see: Dunland Warrior warband, Ruffians, Khandish warriors, and all the Finecast Hobbit-era releases which went from packs-of-three to boxes-of-twelve). The nice side effect is that warband sets are always cheaper than individual packs.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11361150.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11361150.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11361175.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11361175.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread OOP for a long time) gives me hope that they will eventually get around to bringing back Arnor and Far Harad models; I would certainly grab Arnor stuff in a heartbeat just for the cool factor, and I really like the Far Harad army as well (the idea of War Camels is just so cool!).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11361528.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11361528.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread


If you don't mind 3rd party stuff, there's a few guys who produce really nice not!-Arnor models. Very convincing stuff.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11361648.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11361648.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:
Yeah, Moria is in real need of having the better part of their range available again and i'm glad to see it return. Arnor and Far Harad would also be greatly received. Mostly because Camel riders go on the 2nd hand market for about $60AUD a pop. Which is proper bonkers.


If you don't mind 3rd party stuff, there's a few guys who produce really nice not!-Arnor models. Very convincing stuff.



Speaking of 3rd party stuff, is there a lot out there for Harad stuff?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11361659.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11361659.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread "Snake Army" minis. Unreleased Miniatures do some not!-Far Harad although you'll have to scroll through and find them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11361677.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11361677.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:
Yeah, Moria is in real need of having the better part of their range available again and i'm glad to see it return. Arnor and Far Harad would also be greatly received. Mostly because Camel riders go on the 2nd hand market for about $60AUD a pop. Which is proper bonkers.

I think I missed the camalry the first time around - got a link to any pictures?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11361681.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11361681.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Spoiler:
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11361685.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11361685.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:
Arnor and Far Harad would also be greatly received.


Yeah, when they announced the range rotation on Far Harad I went ahead and just bought an army, as I figured it would be a long time until it would come back.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11361768.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11361768.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11361817.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11361817.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread Anyway, Orophin (Haldir's second brother).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11362727.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11362727.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW - who would bother leaking Middle Earth stuff?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11362728.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11362728.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11362730.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11362730.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Okay, something weird is absolutely going on in GW - who would bother leaking Middle Earth stuff?


Contrary to popular belief, it is a long lasting, popular game. Just not 40k/sigmar big.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11362734.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11362734.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread

I wonder if Rumil will finally reappear? I've held off on getting any of the Galadhrim Court guards since he's unavailable.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11362736.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11362736.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Okay, something weird is absolutely going on in GW - who would bother leaking Middle Earth stuff?


Contrary to popular belief, it is a long lasting, popular game. Just not 40k/sigmar big.


Yeah, but when was the last time people leaked anything about it? It doesn't exactly get big relases. And the fanbase isn't exactly so demanding of news like the Warhammer ones.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11362737.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11362737.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Kanluwen wrote:
Don't engage, just yellow triangle and move on.

I wonder if Rumil will finally reappear? I've held off on getting any of the Galadhrim Court guards since he's unavailable.


If this guy's FW, (which is highly probable,) maybe a repack to put him in with the Celeborn and Haldir pack.


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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Okay, something weird is absolutely going on in GW - who would bother leaking Middle Earth stuff?


Contrary to popular belief, it is a long lasting, popular game. Just not 40k/sigmar big.


Yeah, but when was the last time people leaked anything about it? It doesn't exactly get big relases. And the fanbase isn't exactly so demanding of news like the Warhammer ones.


Actually this whole release for the Defence of the North has been massive. Just spread out over a period of time.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11362740.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11362740.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread

Now to me, that model looks plastic. So part of me wonders (hopes) if we'll see a plastic triple kit for the three brothers.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11362752.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11362752.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Okay, something weird is absolutely going on in GW - who would bother leaking Middle Earth stuff?


It goes up for preorder this weekend, so almost certainly it's from preview copies GW sends out to reviewers/youtubers/etc]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11362761.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11362761.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Actually this whole release for the Defence of the North has been massive. Just spread out over a period of time.


No kidding. I nearly asked the other day what new supplement were we expecting Grimbeorn and the Beornings to belong to, I'd thought for certain we'd seen all of Defence of the North by then.

Also, the reason we don't often see leaks for Middle-Earth is that there's often nothing to leak. New things get previewed fairly well in advance, and the printed material is released either simultaneously or subsequently.


Orophin is pretty good, even if he's adding yet another aesthetic variation to the Galadhrim armour style. Would be nice if he was plastic, but I'm not convinced GW would spend the resources on such a minor character]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11362772.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11362772.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:
Ooh I like him. I wonder if they'll go for a complementary trinity type thing with the brothers. You've got Haldir for range, Rumil for defence and Orophin for attack.


Now to me, that model looks plastic. So part of me wonders (hopes) if we'll see a plastic triple kit for the three brothers.

Don't give me hope...

I could see it though.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11362776.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11362776.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11362807.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11362807.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11362811.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11362811.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Arbitrator wrote:
Easterlings get War Drakes apparently?


I thought that was a battle companies thing?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11362848.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11362848.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Fergie0044 wrote:
 Arbitrator wrote:
Easterlings get War Drakes apparently?


I thought that was a battle companies thing?

They're in the Legendary Legion.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11362879.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11362879.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Edit - nevermind, I found the twitch stream; https://m.twitch.tv/brianbartoky/clip/AnnoyingAlluringSnakeANELE-lFGc2aUKodb1ys2o]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11362886.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11362886.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW may well be using a new printer with english speaking staff who know about the games

(as opposed to china were print shop staff are far less likely to be in a game social media group/forum etc)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11362933.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11362933.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Kanluwen wrote:
 Snrub wrote:
Ooh I like him. I wonder if they'll go for a complementary trinity type thing with the brothers. You've got Haldir for range, Rumil for defence and Orophin for attack.


Now to me, that model looks plastic. So part of me wonders (hopes) if we'll see a plastic triple kit for the three brothers.

Don't give me hope...

I could see it though.


Looks like your hope could have a little foundation after all Kan.
A new Rumil perhaps?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11362945.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11362945.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread I was hoping they would do plastic Mirkwood Armourd Elves since they might be part of this book.. Doubtful, but it's one of the few units in crapcast.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11362968.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11362968.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
I wonder when they will clamp down on these leaks.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11362978.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11362978.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread That certainly looks like Rumil. The helmet, shield and pose all match.


Now show us Haldir. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11362992.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11362992.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11362997.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11362997.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11363004.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11363004.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
I'm trying not to be excited dangit!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11363005.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11363005.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11363007.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11363007.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11363020.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11363020.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread

Yeah, shields aren't exactly the same AND the old one has his mouth in a neutral, closed position rather than grimacing. New Rumil confirmed.

Edit: The more I look at the new one, the more I think it's in a different(but similar) pose with the sword arm more forward and the shield closer to the body.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11363021.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11363021.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11363022.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11363022.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:
Well hot diggity dog. That certainly looks like Rumil. The helmet, shield and pose all match.
Now show us Haldir.


Haha, do we really need another Haldir? He must have the most sculpts of any elven hero apart from old lego-lass. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11363075.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11363075.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread At first I was not interested in the book. But now the legendary legions are leaked:

Spoiler:
I collect Angmar and Moria and one Legendary Legion is basically Angmar+Moria with a focus on shamans. Right up my alley! Now I just need to base my moria army in the scheme of my angmar army and that will work eben better now with all the units that are being shared.




]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11363281.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11363281.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Fergie0044 wrote:
 Snrub wrote:
Well hot diggity dog. That certainly looks like Rumil. The helmet, shield and pose all match.
Now show us Haldir.


Haha, do we really need another Haldir? He must have the most sculpts of any elven hero apart from old lego-lass.

Yeah...and only a few are actually available.

He had the sculpt in Heroes of Helm's Deep, then the same profile but with sword out that's bundled with Celeborn now. And then the Marchwarden, which combines two different "encounters" sculpts into one SKU.

If you give me a shot for a new armoured Haldir with bow out? I'll take it! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11363292.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11363292.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
I'm not sure what I was thinking.

£46 for 6? Thanks but, er, no thanks. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11363650.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11363650.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
The Emperor(tm) being £82.50 looks about what I expected. It's a nice model but I'm not sure it's THAT nice.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11363656.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11363656.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
At least with the Knights of Dol Amroth, they're the only official option for that unit that doesn't involve scrounging for the old metals. These fellas are more expensive than them, on top of being completely optional]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11363683.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11363683.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread Not sure how I fell about paying $43 a pop for the warg marauders. But shockingly still less then what I see them for on ebay.

By-the-by, it's nice to see that dragon in resin. I remember many moons ago, a bloke at the local GW had one when they were metal and always said it was an absolute bastard to work with. Had to pin the gak out of the wings.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11363686.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11363686.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Siygess wrote:
Ooof. While I'd long given up hope of the Black Dragons being a plastic kit, I had at least hoped for a sensible price given that you are probably going to want 10, maybe 20 of them.

I'm not sure what I was thinking.

£46 for 6? Thanks but, er, no thanks.


Yikes, that was more than I hoped. Will probably get one set eventually to complete my collection, but its a low priority purchase.

The actual DotN book is more than I expected too. Is that typical for LotR books? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11363698.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11363698.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:
Oooh some tasty prices for the goblins. Both the Black shields and prowlers work out to 8.50 a model. Compared to the 2nd hand market, those are fantastic prices. The Khazad guard, slightly less so at $12.50 a pop, but still less then what you can generally get them on ebay.
Not sure how I fell about paying $43 a pop for the warg marauders. But shockingly still less then what I see them for on ebay.

By-the-by, it's nice to see that dragon in resin. I remember many moons ago, a bloke at the local GW had one when they were metal and always said it was an absolute bastard to work with. Had to pin the gak out of the wings.


Yeah I am really happy with the Moria prices especially the prowlers in 6s instead of 4s. Snatched 2x Prowlers, 2x Marauders, 1x Blackshields and the shamans. Durburz and groblog I already have and I am not really sold on the dragon. I guess i can find a nicer dragon STL somewhere. I do like the cave drake tho]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11363857.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11363857.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11363862.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11363862.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11363986.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11363986.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
callidusx3 wrote:
I was pleasantly surprised that the Moria Blackshields and Prowlers are being released in metal. I have now preordered them and wouldn’t have otherwise.


Indeed. GW could make a lot of money if they turned the Failcast models into metal as well (not just reverting models that were metal at release), but I guess it's technically not possible or at least not as easy as it was to turn metal into Failcast.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11364183.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11364183.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Fergie0044 wrote:
 Siygess wrote:
Ooof. While I'd long given up hope of the Black Dragons being a plastic kit, I had at least hoped for a sensible price given that you are probably going to want 10, maybe 20 of them.

I'm not sure what I was thinking.

£46 for 6? Thanks but, er, no thanks.


Yikes, that was more than I hoped. Will probably get one set eventually to complete my collection, but its a low priority purchase.

The actual DotN book is more than I expected too. Is that typical for LotR books?

All of the supplements are now £32.50 except for Scouring of the Shire (£24). Granted, that price includes the recent price hike.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11364452.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11364452.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Defence of the North™ is available for pre-order! Whilst you decide whether to defend or assault the northern provinces, check out these new Elven heroes featured in the book – they’re heading to tabletops near you soon!
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Those are really nice though. I wonder if this is the start of more Lorien plastics?



 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I know these are 99% a FW two pack, but there is something about them that seems plastic to me. Can't quite say why though.
As I said before, there is *something* about them that just doesn't strike me as being resin. Some detail on them that I can't pin down is just screaming plastic at me.
Though, to be fair they do match the trend of FW double packs and as of yet, GW hasn't released a duel plastic character kit. (unless you count Gandalf/Pippin and Eowyn/Merry.)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11364505.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11364505.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:
Aw man, I was hoping for Haldir too.

Those are really nice though. I wonder if this is the start of more Lorien plastics?

Or just updated Lorien plastics?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11364507.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11364507.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Kanluwen wrote:
Or just updated Lorien plastics?
Honestly, i'd rather see the hideous plastic wood elves redone before any of the other units/characters.

I know I'm jumping the gun pronouncing these plastic before we actually know. No doubt in a week or two's time when they're revealed as FW, i'll look quite foolish. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11364510.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11364510.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11364521.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11364521.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I know these are 99% a FW two pack, but there is something about them that seems plastic to me. Can't quite say why though.


It's the swords for me, they don't have the traditional LARP foam look of FW resin (from these angles at least) ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11364549.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11364549.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/29/sunday-preview-the-age-of-darkness-descends/

Which was certainly faster than expected.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11371489.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11371489.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11371533.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11371533.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11371651.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11371651.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11371745.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11371745.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Fergie0044 wrote:
Yea, they look awesome in a very understated way. Will also be tempted to get some. I hope they come with some different arm options though.


Each blister comes with option to build the figures with bow or axe.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11371824.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11371824.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11372108.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11372108.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread https://fireforge-games.com/northern-kingdom/370-folk-rabble.html]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11372112.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11372112.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 ZergSmasher wrote:
Even with those options, a whole force of Beornings is going to have a bit of "Attack of the Clones" syndrome. That said, at least the models are cool.


To be fair, they're not meant to be a full 'force' so to speak. More like a complimentary unit to a bigger ally or a very small skirmishing force.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11372177.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11372177.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/searchResults?N=250394657+3206404541+3637769477

Grimbeorn's a touch more than i thought he would be, but the Beornings are cheaper than i thought they would be. So i guess it balances out. Grim and 4 packs Beornings for myself.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11373848.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11373848.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
The Beornings though, damn those are nice. Bow/axe and 2 heads per person is nice. Gives you enough variety. Kind of a shame they don't come with quivers though.



 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Grim and 4 packs Beornings for myself.
When you get your hands on them, can you throw up a picture of the parts please? I'm interested to see how interchangeable the heads and arms are between bodies. That would give some real potential for a varied force even with even so few bodies. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11373851.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11373851.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11373866.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11373866.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Have something to do with the upcoming elf releases one has to imagine.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11375308.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11375308.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11375375.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11375375.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/07/21/middle-earth-range-rotation-dunedain-and-dale-heroes-retire-as-old-warriors-re-enter-the-fray/

Wild speculation time, plastic Faramir on the horizon and possible supplement focused around Harad or possibly Numenor's subjugation and occupation of Harad?

*whoops, what i get for having too many tabs open]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11404075.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11404075.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread the rotation article?

But yep. It's definitely interesting. I'm excited for the heckin' Blackroot Vale Command to show back up.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11404078.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11404078.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread Bout bloody time.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11404081.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11404081.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11404139.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11404139.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Dysartes wrote:
Most games are improved by the addition of camels - naval games and dogfighting games being notable exceptions.


Dogfighting games? Excuse me?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sopwith_Camel]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11404149.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11404149.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Interesting:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/07/21/middle-earth-range-rotation-dunedain-and-dale-heroes-retire-as-old-warriors-re-enter-the-fray/

Wild speculation time, plastic Faramir on the horizon and possible supplement focused around Harad or possibly Numenor's subjugation and occupation of Harad?

*whoops, what i get for having too many tabs open


plastic faramir? As a ranger, or all armored up? (fingers crossed for all armored up. or some kind of all armored up Gondorian or Numenorian leader type all armored up)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11404151.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11404151.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
Most games are improved by the addition of camels - naval games and dogfighting games being notable exceptions.


Dogfighting games? Excuse me?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sopwith_Camel

I see what you did there! Have an exalt!

I'm also pretty stoked about them bringing back the Far Harad range. I shudder to think of the cost, but I might just have to build myself a proper army of them. I don't know why, but the idea of charging in with a bunch of honest-to-Eru camels makes me smile.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11404454.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11404454.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Interesting:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/07/21/middle-earth-range-rotation-dunedain-and-dale-heroes-retire-as-old-warriors-re-enter-the-fray/

Wild speculation time, plastic Faramir on the horizon and possible supplement focused around Harad or possibly Numenor's subjugation and occupation of Harad?

*whoops, what i get for having too many tabs open


Around the time when GW rebooted Lotr & Hobbith with Middle Earth, there was talk about a "2nd Age" suppliment.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11404892.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11404892.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
RazorEdge wrote:
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Interesting:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/07/21/middle-earth-range-rotation-dunedain-and-dale-heroes-retire-as-old-warriors-re-enter-the-fray/

Wild speculation time, plastic Faramir on the horizon and possible supplement focused around Harad or possibly Numenor's subjugation and occupation of Harad?

*whoops, what i get for having too many tabs open


Around the time when GW rebooted Lotr & Hobbith with Middle Earth, there was talk about a "2nd Age" suppliment.


Yeah and with the upcoming Amazon series a 2nd Age supplement would make sense]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11405039.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11405039.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Johanxp wrote:
RazorEdge wrote:
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Interesting:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/07/21/middle-earth-range-rotation-dunedain-and-dale-heroes-retire-as-old-warriors-re-enter-the-fray/

Wild speculation time, plastic Faramir on the horizon and possible supplement focused around Harad or possibly Numenor's subjugation and occupation of Harad?

*whoops, what i get for having too many tabs open


Around the time when GW rebooted Lotr & Hobbith with Middle Earth, there was talk about a "2nd Age" suppliment.


Yeah and with the upcoming Amazon series a 2nd Age supplement would make sense


If GW does that, then there are multiple people around here who will need to eat their hats for how insistent they were that such a thing would never happen. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11405139.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11405139.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/07/31/sunday-preview-continued-carnage-in-ghur-and-a-horus-heresy-haul/

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409149.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409149.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Arbitrator wrote:
Dedicated Middle-Earth preview show on Saturday. Didn't see that coming.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/07/31/sunday-preview-continued-carnage-in-ghur-and-a-horus-heresy-haul/



Interesting they've said they have nothing official tied to the Amazon show, but we have to assume they'll be doing something to capitalise on it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409153.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409153.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409159.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409159.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409161.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409161.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Johanxp wrote:


Yeah and with the upcoming Amazon series a 2nd Age supplement would make sense


As if this show represents the second age of middle earth in any way. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409162.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409162.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Interesting, but god i hope it's nothing to do with the show.

To do something based on the new show would require a licensing agreement with Amazon Studios at the very least (assuming their licenses with the Tolkien Estate, New Line and the others would allow it). ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409165.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409165.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Interesting, but god i hope it's nothing to do with the show.

Last Alliance plastics are ancient but still pretty popular. Wouldn't put it past them to revamp those kits and release a book to cash in on the hype. But would they even risk mentioning Amazon explicitly by name if they didn't have some direct connection lined up?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409166.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409166.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
But in regards to the plastics, the only issue i see is that it starts a slippery slope. If the redo the last alliance, then they have to start redoing the others or there will be such a visual disparity due to the age, it will just look totally out of place.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409171.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409171.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409177.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409177.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409185.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409185.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409191.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409191.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409197.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409197.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
The Last Alliance plastic sprue is ancient even for GW Standards and shows much of its age.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409212.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409212.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I always said from the start it was never going to happening due to the licensing hell. But there's always a lingering fear.


That fear came and went when GW followed Jackson and Co. into the gak-show that was the Hobbit trilogy (particularly Gundabad, radiation mutated goblins and Iron Hill Dwarves). Yet, plenty of people love those aesthetics and design choices. So bring on the Amazon Series-inspired models, I'm certain plenty of people will like them even if we don't.

But hell, even I have to admit there were some decent models that came out of the Hobbit... no doubt there will be a few good designs to come out of the Rings of Power (John Howe is involved after all).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409558.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409558.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409667.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409667.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409669.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409669.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
If it's not something related to Rings of Power, what do we think it is? New edition? Faction redo (eg- plastic Far Harad/Fiefdoms.)? Something else entirely maybe?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409682.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409682.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409686.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409686.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:
Hmm. I'm not sure whether this bodes well or ill, but it certainly bodes. I'm always up for more Middle-earth minis though.

If it's not something related to Rings of Power, what do we think it is? New edition? Faction redo (eg- plastic Far Harad/Fiefdoms.)? Something else entirely maybe?


I don't know where this popped up from, but apparently there's a rumour floating around about a new starter based around Osgilliath. Along with a new plastic Faramir and Gothmog. But again, don't know where that originated from.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409696.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409696.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Olthannon wrote:


Interesting they've said they have nothing official tied to the Amazon show, but we have to assume they'll be doing something to capitalise on it.


Then again gw is known to deny having any plans of something they announced week later. They have habit of saying "no" until they want to admit.

So while not proof it is it's not proof of no either.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409704.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409704.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409721.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409721.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
It’s an exciting time for Middle-earth fans. Let us add to that excitement with the announcement of our first ever online preview – dedicated entirely to the Middle-earth Strategy Battle Game™.

Before you get too excited, we won’t be revealing anything that ties in directly to the upcoming The Lord of the Rings: Rings of Power TV show (though we’re all pretty excited to watch it). Instead – we’ll be continuing to celebrate 20 years of the Lord of the Rings motion picture trilogy.
Tune in this Sunday for an hour-long show that will reveal plenty of what’s coming to Middle-earth this year.

There are lots of incredible new miniatures to be announced, all linked to our celebration of the 20th anniversary of the Lord of the Rings motion picture trilogy. One extra special reveal is tied directly to Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers™…

If that sounds as appealing to you as a second breakfast does to a Hobbit, make sure you join us for the Middle-earth Strategy Battle Game: Warhammer Preview Online on Sunday the 7th of August at 2pm BST.


Helm's Deep?!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409734.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409734.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread FW piece of the deeping wall. Or something totally different.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409740.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409740.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409741.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409741.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread like it ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409747.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409747.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Dysartes wrote:
A reveal with fanfare? You're getting two Hobbits in a trenchcoat, mate, and you'll like it


Sauron was already mentioned dude, smh.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409748.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409748.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409802.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409802.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Whether that arrives before i fix my 3d printer...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409811.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409811.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread MESBG again.

I'm willing to bet on a new starter set for the Two Towers eara and terrain set. I do hope for Osgilliath terrain.
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Maybe a Last Alliance themed release?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409913.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11409913.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
A reveal with fanfare? You're getting two Hobbits in a trenchcoat, mate, and you'll like it


Sauron was already mentioned dude, smh.

Well, he ain't mentioned in the text in the article about the preview, nor in the copy in the "Next Week" piece from Sunday, so... [* Citation required]

And now you're down to one Hobbit with a trenchcoat dragging along the ground behind him...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11410002.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11410002.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Not a lot. Pretty much all the Hobbit designs are gorgeous.


My post was meant to take the piss out of your intransigent position. I am a student of Tolkien, reading through most everything his son published regarding Middle Earth (and creating my own faithful rules for LotR in the Saga game system). Peter Jackson's Warhammer-like take on the Iron Hill Dwarves (huge chariots, repeating crossbows, goat riders, heavy plate armor) are incongruous with Tolkien's Third Age warfare which was based on early medieval European history. Many other decisions by PJ's team do not follow the source material, like beards on Aragorn and Boromir or all hobbits being lily white-skinned beings.

Nonetheless, I can accept PJ's adaptation for what they are (i.e. its own thing) and appreciate the brilliance of the films overall (as to the LotR trilogy; elements of excellence in the Hobbit like Thranduil and his Kingdom). Amazon's The Rings of Power is again, its own thing. It will have elements that are faithful to Tolkien's writings and elements that are not. It will have its fans and its detractors. If one does not like it, that is fine. But no need to suck the joy out of it for those that do, including those that would like miniatures for the series.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11410094.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11410094.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11410121.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11410121.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW was going to make anything tied to The Rings of Power show... And they were right!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11410139.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11410139.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 frankelee wrote:
Some people said there was no way GW was going to make anything tied to The Rings of Power show... And they were right!


Good!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11410141.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11410141.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 frankelee wrote:
Some people said there was no way GW was going to make anything tied to The Rings of Power show... And they were right!


We don't actually know that yet - for example, if GW does end up going down the path of elaborating on Numenor we can be pretty sure it's happening because of the Rings of Power. Is it a tied-in licensing agreement? No - but it's certainly tied to it thematically.

That said, while I get the growing apprehension with the show (one good look at Galadriels armor convinced me I wouldn't be happy with the show, despite the initial goof prospects of elven helmets elsewhere) I don't get the pure vitriol about the idea of GW making tie in minis.

Like, Jackson's LoTR is a giant disservice in a lot of ways, and I have a mixed relationship with it. But at the end of the day I can enjoy the Gondorians for example, even though I know their design is wrong.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11410376.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11410376.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW will do something with it, but if they don't we still have rules and the 3d printing community will come to the rescue.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11410395.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11410395.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 .Mikes. wrote:
Meh, people are picking and choosing what they want to be "tolkien" when it comes to media representation. I'm looking forward to the show and hope GW will do something with it, but if they don't we still have rules and the 3d printing community will come to the rescue.


Usually based on what is actually Tolkienesque. eg not this current mess being burped out by amazon.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11410572.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11410572.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread

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Actually I can't be arsed getting into a back and forth on this.

I'm old enough to remember the same arguments that the Lord of the Rings movies being made by this new Peter Jackson guy would be crap because he veered so far away from the source material.

Saying something will be bad now is guessing. Stating it as fact is wishing, and almost always dressed up to create some kind of morally superior high ground that's intended to gatekeep]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11410573.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11410573.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW didn't want to dip their toes into the licensing mess that would be Rings of Power, and who can blame them? A different rights holder, different license, would almost certainly require a separation of brand from the current Saul Zaentz Company licenses on LOTR and The Hobbit, just making the product offering a giant cluster.

However, it also seems to mean that GW's going to push some new Middle-earth stuff, which is great news regardless. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11410668.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11410668.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11410682.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11410682.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11410734.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11410734.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11410739.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11410739.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 .Mikes. wrote:
Can I use your time machine?


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Actually I can't be arsed getting into a back and forth on this.

I'm old enough to remember the same arguments that the Lord of the Rings movies being made by this new Peter Jackson guy would be crap because he veered so far away from the source material.

Saying something will be bad now is guessing. Stating it as fact is wishing, and almost always dressed up to create some kind of morally superior high ground that's intended to gatekeep


Appeal to history means nothing. It's an irrelevancy, especially as the situations are totally different. Pj actually respected his source material and also Tolkien's source material.

Theres no dressing it up on my part. Gate keeping from a morally superior high ground is absolutely what was required here, Christopher was doing a hell of a job, shame his kids has no qualms about whoring off their grandfather's legacy to be claimed by these idealogues.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11410753.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11410753.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11410767.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11410767.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
They should have been plastic with a Haldir.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11410770.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11410770.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11410771.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11410771.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread Merry & Pippin additionally say "sup", being packaged with no less than 3 different boxes allowing for them in plastic.

Haldir's a fairly Big Deal with the portrayal of Helm's Deep in the film. His ONE armored model put on general sale is also trash compared to the Heroes of Helm's Deep version.

Having all 3 of the brothers together in plastic would have been a smart move. But no. It's more Forge World fodder meaning it's a big ol' yawn for most people.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11410772.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11410772.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11410781.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11410781.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
These two were available at the doubles tournament that just passed. Usually means they're imminent for general release.


They are very nice]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11410791.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11410791.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
King of the Dead's not a secondary character and he's the head of a specific faction.

He's absolutely a secondary character, if you've chosen to deem Haldir as one. The King of the Dead is a plot advancement point and nothing more per the films.
Merry and Pippin got put put together with another major in Treebeard.

They've also got two other versions, both packaged with plastic heroes for other factions.

Gandalf the White in Minas Tirith comes with Pippin in his "Peregrin Took" setup as a Guard of Minas Tirith.
Eowyn includes Merry as a Knight of the Riddermark.
Rumil and Ororphin are not major unfortunately, as the films still take something of a precedent.

Yes, hence why I mentioned Haldir.

Y'know, the Elf that was a Big Frickin' Deal in Two Towers the film where he was armoured up exactly like his two brothers Rumil and Orophin?

Either way, this crap took way too long to finally show up in the wild. Defense of the North came out in MAY.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11410795.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11410795.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Indeed, but they're both the armoured versions. No good for the Fellowship. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11410796.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11410796.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Kids these days. No sense of any business sense. Likely end up homeless running own economy to ruin.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11410869.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11410869.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
I wanted plastic because plastic means that it's not as bloody frustrating to get.

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Also mentioned getting 'Battle host' box sets, effectively start collecting sets for Middle Earth. Which sounds nice, but I'm hoping for more new minis, rather than existing ones being repackaged, even if they do come with a discount. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11411261.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11411261.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11411274.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11411274.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
They could use this to put Command options in the Sprues.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11411275.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11411275.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11411279.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11411279.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Interesting choice of spot to magnify.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11411341.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11411341.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11411347.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11411347.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Kanluwen wrote:
There's no bloody sign in the book saying it's resin or Forge World.

I wanted plastic because plastic means that it's not as bloody frustrating to get.


You're better off just assuming every release is resin unless it's stated otherwise.

This comes up literally every single time a FW model is previewed and 99% of the time that it's not stated outright to be plastic, it's resin.

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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/08/04/the-latest-middle-earth-strategy-battle-game-faq-has-arrived/]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11412086.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11412086.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11412088.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11412088.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Kanluwen wrote:
Yawn. Still having a requirement of Frodo, Sam, and Smeagol in the Ranger Legion is bleh.


Yeah that sort of destroyed my interest in building a Ranger list. I mean with friends at home, not an issue. But if I feel like being in a store, meh.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11412323.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11412323.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Ll's are mistake to begin with catering to power gaming min maxers who don't care about fluff]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11412342.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11412342.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
tneva82 wrote:
Got to have some weakness to avoid otherwise free bonuses. What you are willing to give away to not just be all ranger list with free bonuses?

Ll's are mistake to begin with catering to power gaming min maxers who don't care about fluff

You say that while arguing against fluff.

Faramir is already mandatory. Nobody will argue against that. There's a set number of Ranger heroes: 5.
Faramir is Valour, Damrod is Fortitude, the last 3 are all Minor.

It wouldn't be a big deal if Faramir were optional but made Frodo, Sam and Smeagol mandatory when taken...but there's 4 mandatory heroes.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11412382.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11412382.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
tneva82 wrote:
Got to have some weakness to avoid otherwise free bonuses. What you are willing to give away to not just be all ranger list with free bonuses?

Ll's are mistake to begin with catering to power gaming min maxers who don't care about fluff


Rangers were operating with out the Hobbits cramping their style for a while before they picked them up.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11412401.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11412401.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11412476.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11412476.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Yawn. Still having a requirement of Frodo, Sam, and Smeagol in the Ranger Legion is bleh.


Yeah that sort of destroyed my interest in building a Ranger list. I mean with friends at home, not an issue. But if I feel like being in a store, meh.


In certain missions that LL was too much powerful, they had to nerf it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11412521.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11412521.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread that aren't even a big part of that setup's story arc!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11412534.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11412534.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Plastic Imrahil would be amazing.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11412584.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11412584.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11412645.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11412645.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Makes the lack of a plastic triple brother pack all the more daft!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11412944.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11412944.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413022.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413022.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Elveses.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413024.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413024.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Kanluwen wrote:
The first one was Rivendell. Now Lorien.

Elveses.

Filthy Elvises... we hates 'em, we do!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413035.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413035.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Part of the RIng Bearers route >>> Movie Trilogy]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413065.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413065.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
I know they’ve said not to expect our relating to the Amazon show, but part of me reckons they’re dirty fibbers…]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413829.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413829.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413830.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413830.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413832.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413832.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413833.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413833.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413835.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413835.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413836.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413836.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413839.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413839.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413840.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413840.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Kanluwen wrote:
Of bloody course Faramir and Friends get plastics as I'm finishing up painting my metals.


Look at it this way, at least it proves me wrong about secondary characters never getting plastic.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413841.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413841.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413842.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413842.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread

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Bago wrote:
Wow, the four battlehost boxes are pretty pointless with these old plastic warriors. The secondhand market is flooded with them. You get them basically for free.


Depends on the price and they're not as easy to find these days as you think they are.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413843.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413843.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413846.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413846.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Physically painful seeing those outdated High Elf models with that shiny new Elrond.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413847.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413847.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413850.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413850.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413852.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413852.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413853.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413853.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413856.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413856.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Sorry GW, you epic failed...!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413859.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413859.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
I already have 36 Morannon orcs, too. I doubt I'd have use for more unless GW resurrects War of the Ring.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413861.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413861.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
RazorEdge wrote:
Starter Set with old and dated MIniatures for much Money.

Sorry GW, you epic failed...!


How about we wait for the actual price before doomposting? Just for a nice change of pace for once.


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Blastaar wrote:
I don't mind the "old" minis, but the new starter looks like worse value than Pelennor.

I already have 36 Morannon orcs, too. I doubt I'd have use for more unless GW resurrects War of the Ring.


I disagree. I like a good amount of scenery in a starter box to get us off of planet bowling ball right from the start.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413863.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413863.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread Really hoping the ranger captains and Gothmog come back into stock again on the Aus website before they go for good. I've got Faramir, but need the others. May as well chuck a couple of Court Guard in the cart while they're available.

Stonking set of reveals though. Only thing i'm not totally enamoured with is the warg. Something off about it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413866.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413866.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
RazorEdge wrote:
Starter Set with old and dated MIniatures for much Money.

Sorry GW, you epic failed...!


How about we wait for the actual price before doomposting? Just for a nice change of pace for once.


What ever the price will be, it will be too much for the quality of that outdated 20 years old Infantry Models...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413868.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413868.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
RazorEdge wrote:
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
RazorEdge wrote:
Starter Set with old and dated MIniatures for much Money.

Sorry GW, you epic failed...!


How about we wait for the actual price before doomposting? Just for a nice change of pace for once.


What ever the price will be, it will be too much for the quality of that outdated Infantry Models...


]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413869.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413869.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
RazorEdge wrote:
Starter Set with old and dated MIniatures for much Money.

Sorry GW, you epic failed...!


How about we wait for the actual price before doomposting? Just for a nice change of pace for once.


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Blastaar wrote:
I don't mind the "old" minis, but the new starter looks like worse value than Pelennor.

I already have 36 Morannon orcs, too. I doubt I'd have use for more unless GW resurrects War of the Ring.


I disagree. I like a good amount of scenery in a starter box to get us off of planet bowling ball right from the start.



Knowing GW, it will be more expensive than Pelennor.

The scenery is nice, but IMO there isn't enough of it to equal all the Warriors of the Dead.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413871.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413871.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
aka:
literal filler models.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413873.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413873.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW are hoping to attract new blood thanks to the Amazon series, it'd make sense for the new starter and those battleforce boxes to be aggressively priced. But when does GW ever make sensible decisions? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413874.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413874.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Blastaar wrote:
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
RazorEdge wrote:
Starter Set with old and dated MIniatures for much Money.

Sorry GW, you epic failed...!


How about we wait for the actual price before doomposting? Just for a nice change of pace for once.


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Blastaar wrote:
I don't mind the "old" minis, but the new starter looks like worse value than Pelennor.

I already have 36 Morannon orcs, too. I doubt I'd have use for more unless GW resurrects War of the Ring.


I disagree. I like a good amount of scenery in a starter box to get us off of planet bowling ball right from the start.



Knowing GW, it will be more expensive than Pelennor.


Probably, but it's four years later and five new character sculpts and new scenery compared to just new Theoden from the previous box.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413877.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413877.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

I disagree. I like a good amount of scenery in a starter box to get us off of planet bowling ball right from the start.

What? No. The 'good amount of scenery' barely manages to fill in 3 corners of a maybe 3x3 board (going by the measuring tool on said board). Unless you're counting the book as terrain, it has jack and squat.
That board is planet bowling ball at the most low-effort tournament.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413880.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413880.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413882.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413882.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
RazorEdge wrote:
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
RazorEdge wrote:
Starter Set with old and dated MIniatures for much Money.

Sorry GW, you epic failed...!


How about we wait for the actual price before doomposting? Just for a nice change of pace for once.


What ever the price will be, it will be too much for the quality of that outdated 20 years old Infantry Models...


So since you then hate whole game and buy nothing anyway you aren't gw target anyway.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413884.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413884.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW's terrain, but their customers will have to be in a pretty strict GW bubble to see the value in a few plastic wall pieces. They can be had cheaper elsewhere or built yourself.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413888.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413888.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
tneva82 wrote:
So since you then hate whole game


Thanks,

I have 6 whole Armies for the Game - I love the Rules but I hate how GW treats the Range.. I don't see the reason to still selling the same old and dated Models form 20 years ago with already similary prices to 40k or AoS which make them absolute overpriced for their quality but sell good quality good looking Characters.

Some new hobbyists surely will be very disapointed, when they see the quality difference between the 20 years old Infantry/Cavalry and the new super detailed Characters.

-

They support of the game is very on low effort. They're possible releasing only Characters and Books (and some FW Stuff) to not lose the licence by mimic efforts...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413905.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413905.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Kanluwen wrote:
Flatout annoying that they do not seem to get why it's a problem for some people with these Forge World releases.

And what reasons might "some people" have that are actually rational?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413919.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413919.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
We’ve got plenty more to reveal for the Middle-earth Strategy Battle Game today – check back here for all the news.

From the very last article of the day.

Who knows what it actually refers to.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413920.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413920.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Dysartes wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Flatout annoying that they do not seem to get why it's a problem for some people with these Forge World releases.

And what reasons might "some people" have that are actually rational?


Nyah I hate resin nyah!
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413924.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413924.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Nothing malicious about it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413925.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413925.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Someone's a bit keen on WHC already.


Is that Glorfindel, that is amazing. That is one I might be picking up.

Anyone want to guesstimate on the price? There is no way I’m going to pay between $60 and $100 USD as the FW character series shows. I’m hoping this is a plastic or resin blister more in the $40-50 range? Or am I deluding myself?
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413926.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413926.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Cruentus wrote:
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Someone's a bit keen on WHC already.


Is that Glorfindel, that is amazing. That is one I might be picking up.

Anyone want to guesstimate on the price? There is no way I’m going to pay between $60 and $100 USD as the FW character series shows. I’m hoping this is a plastic or resin blister more in the $40-50 range? Or am I deluding myself?

It is Glorfindel, and it is resin.

Character series currently looks to be The Hobbit only, so I have no idea how it'll be priced on release - sorry!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413929.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413929.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Cruentus wrote:
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Someone's a bit keen on WHC already.


Is that Glorfindel, that is amazing. That is one I might be picking up.

Anyone want to guesstimate on the price? There is no way I’m going to pay between $60 and $100 USD as the FW character series shows. I’m hoping this is a plastic or resin blister more in the $40-50 range? Or am I deluding myself?


Price i'd probably expect him to be around Dain's price at $70. Although it depends if he comes with a big ass scenic base like Thranduil or not.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413930.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413930.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW selling 2 decade old kits isn't surprising.

Look at eldar and catachans.

Minimal support and minimal effort for (I'm assuming) minimum sales.

That said, I've seen people make KoW armies out of The Elves and Rohan so I'm pretty sure seeing them make armies out of minas tirith models is not too far off.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413933.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413933.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Flatout annoying that they do not seem to get why it's a problem for some people with these Forge World releases.

And what reasons might "some people" have that are actually rational?


Nyah I hate resin nyah!


I'm not a fan of resin at all. I've gotten better with it over the years but Resin always gives me pause when preparing and building it.
I also am not a fan of ForgeWorld prices.

I think those are two reasonable complaints. The models look excellent tho, I can't deny that.

Anti-Resin sentiment aside, I like these products that are releasing and I just moved to an area that actually has people playing this game, so it's an exciting time in the game for me and a great time to pick up something new! (even if it does have older models, I don't own everything!)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413934.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413934.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Dysartes wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Flatout annoying that they do not seem to get why it's a problem for some people with these Forge World releases.

And what reasons might "some people" have that are actually rational?

Availability, postage costs, etc.

Troke, when discussing it, made it sound like the issue was simply people not liking resin. There's definitely some folks for whom that is the case but the larger one that I've continually seen is that it is annoying to have to constantly be buying smaller purchases from FW.

Forge World is $120 for free delivery. Not a single one of the Character Series models from Middle Earth reach that, even with sales tax. Those shipping costs add up. And it's not like they're dropping big chunks of a single faction or anything in one release wave. It's spread out, meaning it becomes a "get them while they can be gotten" thing.


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Probably just a case of someone not telling the person who put the article pages together what order they were going to be shown in - and if you didn't watch the preview, and follow a link to the Elrond article alone, it directs you to the hub for this preview where you can see the other articles.

Nothing malicious about it.

Well, to be fair, they also said there was a big reveal coming tied to The Two Towers. Osgiliath isn't really thought of too heavily as "Two Towers" by most people.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413937.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413937.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Kanluwen wrote:
 Eiríkr wrote:
Osgiliath boxset (in the same manner as Pelennor), coming to your table in 2022/2023.

I'd expect a Last Alliance box set, if I'm gonna be real here.


Sorry Kanluwen, Osgiliath it is (and always was going to be).
Really nice announcements today I think, the battleforce boxes definitely interest me as a way to quickly bulk up my existing forces.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413960.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413960.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Eiríkr wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 Eiríkr wrote:
Osgiliath boxset (in the same manner as Pelennor), coming to your table in 2022/2023.

I'd expect a Last Alliance box set, if I'm gonna be real here.


Sorry Kanluwen, Osgiliath it is (and always was going to be).

I'm okay with it. Like I said way back around that time, I expected Last Alliance since we missed out on anything Big celebrating Fellowship of the Rings' 20th anniversary during C19.

Hopefully your source can be pumped a bit to find out if there's new High Elves to go with Elrond...
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413965.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413965.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread LL). And I probably want Rumil and Orophin for my Lorien army (which I'll probably order at the same time as I get the Dragon Emperor of Rhun to save on shipping).

My wallet is in the corner crying...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413968.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413968.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 rybackstun wrote:
 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Flatout annoying that they do not seem to get why it's a problem for some people with these Forge World releases.

And what reasons might "some people" have that are actually rational?


Nyah I hate resin nyah!


I'm not a fan of resin at all. I've gotten better with it over the years but Resin always gives me pause when preparing and building it.
I also am not a fan of ForgeWorld prices.

I think those are two reasonable complaints. The models look excellent tho, I can't deny that.

Anti-Resin sentiment aside, I like these products that are releasing and I just moved to an area that actually has people playing this game, so it's an exciting time in the game for me and a great time to pick up something new! (even if it does have older models, I don't own everything!)

I'm with you on the prices for sure.

Love working with resin though. I don't understand people's complaints. It cleans up much nicer than plastic. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413973.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413973.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/08/07/sunday-preview-massed-reinforcements-for-warhammer-the-horus-heresy/?fbclid=IwAR1PGuIv2o1JtWzkqLc4ToZBI89yGYQJJle2qLJOeUBA9lPjo9jZ5Jv9xoI]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413983.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413983.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 ZergSmasher wrote:
I'll probably want that new starter (although I definitely don't need MORE Morannon Orcs or another Troll- oh who am I kidding, I love Trolls!), and I'll probably get at least the Rohan battleforce, as I need the plastic Eomer and more Rohan models (particularly the infantry for the Defenders of Helm's Deep LL). And I probably want Rumil and Orophin for my Lorien army (which I'll probably order at the same time as I get the Dragon Emperor of Rhun to save on shipping).

My wallet is in the corner crying...


With complete new Miniatures, the Osgiliath Set would had been an Instand Buy for me...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413985.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11413985.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Jesus, that was fast:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/08/07/sunday-preview-massed-reinforcements-for-warhammer-the-horus-heresy/?fbclid=IwAR1PGuIv2o1JtWzkqLc4ToZBI89yGYQJJle2qLJOeUBA9lPjo9jZ5Jv9xoI

Indeed - it'll be interesting to see the price on Friday.

Is that enough Elf releases close enough together to (probably) get you to free shipping, Kan?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414032.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414032.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Dysartes wrote:

Indeed - it'll be interesting to see the price on Friday.

Is that enough Elf releases close enough together to (probably) get you to free shipping, Kan?

Yes, but they're not the same faction.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414036.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414036.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414096.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414096.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Fergie0044 wrote:
Hope the battle host boxes are popular and are expanded. I'd snap up ones for Dwarfs, Corsairs or Harad in a second!


I suspect they want to keep them entirely plastic, which rules out a lot of factions if they stick to the hero & warband(s) formula. I'd love to see some plastic heroes for moria or khazad dum but I doubt it'll happen (if we ignore the balrog...)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414155.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414155.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414211.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414211.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414231.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414231.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
I wish they wouldn't replace Pelannor and instead just have a different starter box. A shame its going away.


Eh with mordor side almost same it hardly makes sense to do 2 almost identical sets...They don't do that in 40k/aos side either.

You might have better luck getting smaller sets from same overall model like in 40k/aos side but not much room for that especially if heroes are one sprue per side. Faramir + rangers vs gothmog on foot+half the orcs, then full set minus terrain and full set for example.

But even that is expecting too much from minor game. It's not 40k/aos level game.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414257.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414257.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread 40K, this would be no more difficult. Other than eventually they just don't sell anymore because everyone who wanted one, bought one, and new players are actually nearly as rare as hen's teeth for GW.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414362.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414362.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread 40k/aos are parts of same set. Equilavent would be say faramir and half gondors vs foot gothhmog and half mordor orcs. If foot gothmog and faramir can't be separated from rest doesn't work.

You don't have 2 big starters in 40k/aos. Don't expect gw to put more support to side game than their main cash　makers.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414368.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414368.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
tneva82 wrote:
Except the 40k/aos are parts of same set. Equilavent would be say faramir and half gondors vs foot gothhmog and half mordor orcs. If foot gothmog and faramir can't be separated from rest doesn't work.

You don't have 2 big starters in 40k/aos. Don't expect gw to put more support to side game than their main cash　makers.


Well, all of that's correct, but I would say GW might think about thinking slightly outside the box. If for no other reason than this game isn't that big and doesn't sell that much. They're all actually just little plastic men, there is no difference between any of them, they could sell five army vs. army starter sets just as easily as they can sell a 40K Start Collecting box. The distinction is entirely in their heads.

But I think their stuff is overpriced and tend to think they need to bundle it more aggressively in general.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414377.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414377.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 frankelee wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
Except the 40k/aos are parts of same set. Equilavent would be say faramir and half gondors vs foot gothhmog and half mordor orcs. If foot gothmog and faramir can't be separated from rest doesn't work.

You don't have 2 big starters in 40k/aos. Don't expect gw to put more support to side game than their main cash　makers.


Well, all of that's correct, but I would say GW might think about thinking slightly outside the box. If for no other reason than this game isn't that big and doesn't sell that muchl.


The fact we're getting a new starter and army boxes should be telling you the opposite of that. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414410.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414410.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
 frankelee wrote:


Well, all of that's correct, but I would say GW might think about thinking slightly outside the box. If for no other reason than this game isn't that big and doesn't sell that muchl.


The fact we're getting a new starter and army boxes should be telling you the opposite of that.


When the great majority of the game’s releases are either Forgeworld or repackaging of 15+ year old plastics, then I’m inclined to believe either sales are low relative to other systems or that GW is specifically avoiding investing in MESBG models because of the license fee.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414466.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414466.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414472.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414472.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
when LoTR was new and fresh and only just released the licensors would have had plenty of folk assigned to keep the licencees happy and buying new licences

now there are going to be far fewer of them, and they're probably also dealing with a whole bunch of other old films too

(and i'm not sure if only new line will have to approve things?)

so a slow release pace may not only be down to a limited amount of production time

(edit: read up on the whole Prodos Alien vs Predator saga and all the trouble they had getting approvals back from Fox to see how much of a pain approvals can be)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414491.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414491.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Pelennor had a good four year run, and I agree with Rob listening to the community about the lack of terrain in Pelennor. He opted for less models, but new scenery, and a more involved campaign, so that the new starter is more of a complete experience for new players.
I'll definitely get it, despite not needing Morannon orcs or WOMT _at all_, as the updated rulebook is nice, plus... fully modular Ray Dranfield designed Gondorian scenery with options to make intact buildings or ruins is the top of my "didn't even know I wanted it" list. And as an insane collector, I Gotta Have Em All for every SBG sculpt, and I'm sure the starter will be cheaper than waiting and buying the components I want separately.

I'm very happy they're bringing back the 'starter army' Battlehosts sets for new players - tbh that's how I achieved some chunks of my current massive collection back in the day, so even more good news for new players. Obviously not designed for veterans like myself, but I'm not going to decry an easier buy in for those testing the waters with SBG.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414549.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414549.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414550.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414550.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
If this would really happen - I'm all in!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414576.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414576.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414582.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414582.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
RazorEdge wrote:
Last Alliance with complete new range would be awesome. But if they work on a complete new range for it, they could spare the stream and a new Starter Box for this?


Considering the Last Alliance accounts for only a few moments of the six films the license encompasses, I doubt it would be starter box worthy, whereas Osgiliath covers two films as well as the fact it changed hands several times during the War of the Ring. But maybe a 40k/AOS style campaign box for LA? That's wishlisting of course, as I imagine merely just a new set to release alongside a LA campaign supplement.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414615.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414615.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Numenorian Warrior (with Command options)
Numenorian Cavalry
Siege Weapons
Elendil
Isuldur
Anarion

HIgh Elve Warrior
Siege Weapons
GIl-Galad

Orc Warriors
Orc Warge Riders
Siege Weapons
Sauron
Orc Character (Dude from Tolkiens records)

Some other Stuff by FW]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414624.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414624.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
A Middle Earth "Quest" game could be a thing. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414625.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414625.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
RazorEdge wrote:
Last Alliance would need a mostly complett overhaul (except that new Elrond and the High Evles Cavalry from Hobbit?) and new set on Models:


My guess would be:
GW High Elves, plastic sprue redo, 10-12 figs per sprue
GW Numenorean infantry, plastic sprue, 10-12 figs per sprue
GW/FW Elendil, Isildur, Gil-Galad in plastic
GW/FW Sauron in plastic
FW Anarion
FW Numenorean Cavalry


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 frankelee wrote:
Since these boxes just scoop up and use existing models, I don't see what would be so hard about having multiple starters for Middle Earth. They have multiple start collecting boxes for 40K, this would be no more difficult. Other than eventually they just don't sell anymore because everyone who wanted one, bought one, and new players are actually nearly as rare as hen's teeth for GW.


Probably because they want the boxes to be all plastic, which rules out a lot of the heroes in the range. I guess they could use the new Elrond for a future High Elf box? Use the company of Thorin plastics for an army of Thror box?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414689.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414689.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 judgedoug wrote:
RazorEdge wrote:
Last Alliance would need a mostly complett overhaul (except that new Elrond and the High Evles Cavalry from Hobbit?) and new set on Models:


My guess would be:
GW High Elves, plastic sprue redo, 10-12 figs per sprue
GW Numenorean infantry, plastic sprue, 10-12 figs per sprue
GW/FW Elendil, Isildur, Gil-Galad in plastic
GW/FW Sauron in plastic
FW Anarion
FW Numenorean Cavalry




From your text to Gw's ear. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414699.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414699.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 ImAGeek wrote:
I’ve a feeling new troops would look a lot less appealing for a lot of people with the price tag they’d also come with.


We already get new troops with insane Forgeworld pricing. A proper GW plastic release would only be cheaper by comparison. I for one don’t touch Forgeworld.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414742.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414742.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
SamusDrake wrote:
The war scenes from The Lord of the Rings films were always special, but I much preferred the Fellowship's journey through Moria, or Sam and Frodo's hike to mount doom.

A Middle Earth "Quest" game could be a thing.


With the Quest of the Ringbearer book you already have exactly that, no?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414854.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414854.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Sgt. Cortez wrote:


With the Quest of the Ringbearer book you already have exactly that, no?


Sadly, I haven't the foggiest. I've got the old Return of the King manual from ages past but not actually jumped in with the game yet.

Whats that like then? Any good? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414919.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414919.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread Get Ready for The Lord of the Rings™ Battle of Osgiliath™

Point of interest from the article:

We’re doing something very special for this very special box – running an advance pre-order.

The Lord of the Rings Battle of Osgiliath is dropping in December – but there will also be a two-week pre-order window this September, running from the 10th until 8:00 BST on the 26th.

This longer pre-order window means that you can relax, safe in the knowledge you’ve secured your The Lord of the Rings Battle of Osgiliath boxed set in time for Christmas. There will also be a regular pre-order window at the end of the year, one week before the box hits the shelves of your local Warhammer store or independent stockist.


]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414975.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414975.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread you can pre-order in December for the release in December

Or you can pre-pre-order it during two random weeks in September for... the release in December?

I guess it means they can better manage order expectations and have a pile ready to go for shipping, but they don't... actually say that.

I expect to hear angry ranting a week or so after the September pre-order that people haven't gotten their boxes.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414976.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414976.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Hm, i wonder if the Sep order time will be direct only, to try and get one up on third parties before the Dec release.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414977.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414977.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
SamusDrake wrote:
Sgt. Cortez wrote:


With the Quest of the Ringbearer book you already have exactly that, no?


Sadly, I haven't the foggiest. I've got the old Return of the King manual from ages past but not actually jumped in with the game yet.

Whats that like then? Any good?


SBG has primarily been a narrative game since it's launch.

Over the last 21 years there's been an absolutely insane number of campaigns and scenarios specifically for recreating the films and books. Quest of the Ringbearer is a massive campaign that takes you through the LOTR films.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414992.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11414992.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11415039.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11415039.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW doing something ... not quite the same, but similar.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11415043.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11415043.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
callidusx3 wrote:
Plenty of wargame companies use a preorder system (see GMT's P500) to gauge interest in a product and determine how large a print run is needed. This sounds like GW doing something ... not quite the same, but similar.


Yeah, that aspect is fine (though the timing seems weird), I just don't get why they aren't specifically making it clear that's what they're doing.

Is it tied into whatever production/distribution problems are making a mess of the (still ongoing) chaos release? And why Warcry is a two week but while-supplies-last preorder?

A little transparency would go a long way at this point. (though a pre-preorder for the December release makes it feel like a production issue, not a distribution one)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11415056.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11415056.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Voss wrote:
Wait... so...
you can pre-order in December for the release in December

Or you can pre-pre-order it during two random weeks in September for... the release in December?

I guess it means they can better manage order expectations and have a pile ready to go for shipping, but they don't... actually say that.

I expect to hear angry ranting a week or so after the September pre-order that people haven't gotten their boxes.


Agreed. They need to be clearer in-so-far as to what the preorder in september means. on their pages. Otherwise there is already built-in backlash from those who don't understand.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11415082.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11415082.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
preorder in December you risk the 'oops this was more popular than expected, some folk get their toys, some have to wait a few weeks/months while we make more/wait for more boxes to arrive from china to pack the sprues in)
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11415107.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11415107.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
jullevi wrote:
Get Ready for The Lord of the Rings™ Battle of Osgiliath™

Point of interest from the article:

We’re doing something very special for this very special box – running an advance pre-order.

The Lord of the Rings Battle of Osgiliath is dropping in December – but there will also be a two-week pre-order window this September, running from the 10th until 8:00 BST on the 26th.

This longer pre-order window means that you can relax, safe in the knowledge you’ve secured your The Lord of the Rings Battle of Osgiliath boxed set in time for Christmas. There will also be a regular pre-order window at the end of the year, one week before the box hits the shelves of your local Warhammer store or independent stockist.



I can see this as a bit of an experiment for the big box releases for Games Workshop. If it works, instead of having to do a Made to Order run after the release date like they did for Indomitus, they have a better idea of the quantities that they need and everyone who wants one for Christmas can get one.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11415110.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11415110.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW normally does, but it's absolutely in good taste to secure your product rather than have to hope a store near you got an extra copy.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11415113.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11415113.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 judgedoug wrote:


SBG has primarily been a narrative game since it's launch.

Over the last 21 years there's been an absolutely insane number of campaigns and scenarios specifically for recreating the films and books. Quest of the Ringbearer is a massive campaign that takes you through the LOTR films.


Ooooooooh I see. Well thats good. Had a look at the first narrative( on youtube ) and it was Farmer Maggot against the evil forces of Frodo and his accomplices in petty crime. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11415226.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11415226.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread UK and get one last big payday before October 1st. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11415313.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11415313.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11415412.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11415412.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Assuming these get third party releases at a further 20%, could be around £48.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11415444.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11415444.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11415448.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11415448.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11415449.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11415449.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
No. They're starter boxes, like the start collectings. These are meant to entice new players. I would expect one item in each box to be free over retail or close to it.


If you figure 60 pounds 80e would be about same. Think relatively speaking better as pound to e ratio would be close to real and not gw inflated...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11415817.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11415817.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW may want to do a smaller print run since it isn't a core game, while at the same time avoiding it instantly selling out and becoming an unavailable mess like Cursed City. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11415819.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11415819.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11415879.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11415879.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11415889.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11415889.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread WH page, the September pre-order is just to guarantee your copy before Christmas since it's a December release.

I'm sure part of it is a test so they know how many to produce. I could be wrong but I don't believe the MESBG demand is anywhere near that of 40K so it's a smart move to prevent over production.

Galadhrim Court guard do look terrible compared to the other releases. I just hope they plan a plastic starter with new sculpts for Numenor and Rivendell. Based on the Elrond spoiler video I think we have a shot.

If you watched the live stream the guy also made a comment about Gil-Gilad that also sounded like a promising figure in the future. It's all wishful thinking really. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11415945.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11415945.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11415950.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11415950.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
RazorEdge wrote:
I still wonder why they put that Banner Bearer in that Elrond set...
Because that particular banner is Gil-galads personal colours and Elrond was Gil-galads banner bearer during that time period. It's not really shown in the movie, though I do believe there's some cut footage of him holding the banner in the prologue.
Its not Elrond, but it could certainly represent him in a narrative campaign. Otherwise it's just a funky banner to use. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11415963.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11415963.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11415999.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11415999.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Do you think the Stuff from the Stream will be the last Middle Earth Releses for this year?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11416179.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11416179.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread FW bits, but i wouldn't think anything else major this year.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11416201.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11416201.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread Elf-y Pre-orders are up on Forge World

- Rumil & Orophin - £23
- Glorfindel - £30
- Guards of the Galadhrim Court - £23]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11416416.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11416416.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11416427.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11416427.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11416428.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11416428.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11416432.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11416432.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread BTW, what is the red dot on Madril's Head?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11416902.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11416902.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
RazorEdge wrote:
BTW, what is the red dot on Madril's Head?


He has a head wound at one point in the siege of Osgiliath.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11416913.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11416913.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11416923.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11416923.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11416980.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11416980.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11416983.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11416983.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Eh. It's just the head wound he got before becoming pin cushion'd by Gothmog.

Which is an odd inclusion imo since he dies immediately after receiving it. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11416993.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11416993.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11416995.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11416995.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11417001.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11417001.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
It his hairs combined with that red dot of paint which realy looks odd and stupid. In the Video you can see him without this red dot which looks absolute much better.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11417019.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11417019.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread https://deadline.com/2022/08/embracer-group-acquires-rights-lord-of-the-rings-and-hobbit-1235095113/

The Embracer group (owners of Admodee etc) has just bought up the LoTR/Hobbit/Middle Earth/Tolkien rights from the Saul Zaentz company who are the ones that provided the licence to New Line Cinema for the Peter Jackson LoTR movies etc

so while the Middle-Earth SBG is secure as long as the current (newly renewed) licence goes future renewals may be trickier ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11419295.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11419295.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW has is set up with their own parameters based primarily on the movies etc. If any new games are made, it will be something totally different.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11419301.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11419301.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
SW Legions ruleset reworked for a Fantasy setting?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11419322.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11419322.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread FYI - "Thorin Oakenshield™ & Azog™" has just gone Last Chance to Buy...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11419798.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11419798.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11419863.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11419863.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
beast_gts wrote:
FYI - "Thorin Oakenshield™ & Azog™" has just gone Last Chance to Buy...


Out for the rotation. They announced it weeks ago...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11419917.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11419917.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 McDougall Designs wrote:
Frankly GW selling 2 decade old kits isn't surprising.

Look at eldar and catachans.

Minimal support and minimal effort for (I'm assuming) minimum sales.

That said, I've seen people make KoW armies out of The Elves and Rohan so I'm pretty sure seeing them make armies out of minas tirith models is not too far off.


Here's one I prepared earlier:

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 Azazelx wrote:
 McDougall Designs wrote:
Frankly GW selling 2 decade old kits isn't surprising.

Look at eldar and catachans.

Minimal support and minimal effort for (I'm assuming) minimum sales.

That said, I've seen people make KoW armies out of The Elves and Rohan so I'm pretty sure seeing them make armies out of minas tirith models is not too far off.


Here's one I prepared earlier:



What trays are those, please and thank you?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11420392.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11420392.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 McDougall Designs wrote:
What trays are those, please and thank you?


They look like standard Warhammer Fantasy movement trays from the past. A modern solution would be War of the Ring style MDF trays with round cutouts. You can get these from several manufacturers such as Sarissa Precision, Warbases or Litko.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11420409.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11420409.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11420415.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11420415.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 McDougall Designs wrote:

What trays are those, please and thank you?


They're the Renedra ones.
https://www.renedra.co.uk/product-category/gaming-bases/movement-trays/


jullevi wrote:

They look like standard Warhammer Fantasy movement trays from the past. A modern solution would be War of the Ring style MDF trays with round cutouts. You can get these from several manufacturers such as Sarissa Precision, Warbases or Litko.


I went with the Renedra ones without cutouts as in KoW (like WHFB) human infantry have 20mm square bases. Renedra also have cutout bases these days. All in HIPS rather than MDF or perspex.

Since I use round bases because dual-use, my 100m frontage has 4 models instead of 5,

As KoW uses wound markers rather than model removal for casualties, it works better than having the wrong frontage in order to have the correct number of models. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11420792.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11420792.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
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That's almost double want they normally charge for a single Middle-earth MtO mini. $18-$22 being the norm. A mounted hero is generally $40. I hope this isn't to become the norm... ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11427038.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11427038.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11427090.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11427090.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread LoTR era sculpt though.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11427094.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11427094.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11427100.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11427100.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread Battle of Osgiliath and Battlehost pre orders next week


The Battle of Osgiliath has a very special advanced pre-order. It’s going to be available to order from the 10th of September until 8am BST on the 26th of September. Orders placed in this window should arrive before Christmas.


and the old Osgiliath ruins return ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11427517.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11427517.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11427518.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11427518.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11427602.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11427602.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 .Mikes. wrote:
Seems a bit odd for the Rohan battle host not to have any cavalry for a famously cavalry heavy army.


It is light on Cavalry but there are 6 riders in that set.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11427614.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11427614.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11427654.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11427654.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11427681.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11427681.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Nice to see they're bringing back the old Osgiliath ruins too. Good kit that one and it looks like they mesh up quite nicely with the new kit, looks wise. It looks like though that they might be combing it with the old Ruins of Middle-earth pack too. As the Osgiliath set didn't have the rubble scatter.



 Arbitrator wrote:
Those Dale dice are quite nice. The Rivendell ones seem quite tacky.
My thoughts exactly. I like the patterning on the blue, but the gold helmet just isn't well done.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11427707.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11427707.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread UK prices

Looks like the old ruins of Osgiliath are direct only.



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Good thing I have no need for it but pity the new players.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11427770.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11427770.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
£40.00 for the Predator?

Daft price but when you're actually surprised that it doesn't cost as much as you thought it would...

...is when they get you to place it in the basket without thinking about it!

Looks like my 40K Plague Marines will be getting a new, but 10000 years old, tank.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11427773.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11427773.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
But what's caught my attention is the M-E SBG painting intro minis. Wonder if they're something new we havent seen or if it's just WoMT/Morannon Orcs slightly repackaged ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11427782.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11427782.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Starter is kind of what I was expecting.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11427786.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11427786.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:
Not even going to speculate on Aus/NZ prices.

But what's caught my attention is the M-E SBG painting intro minis. Wonder if they're something new we havent seen or if it's just WoMT/Morannon Orcs slightly repackaged


There's no price quoted so are they just individual minis to order for painting in store like GW Stores currently do with a Primaris or Stormcast figure?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11427815.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11427815.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11427818.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11427818.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
$45 for Elrond.
$85(!?!?!) for the Battlehosts.
Cannot find an equivalent for the Battle for Osgiliath.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11427968.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11427968.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
The Battlehosts are priced so well I can see a lot of people grabbing one of those, while the Battle for Osgiliath set is priced so poorly I can see no one grabbing it.

Reaper makes the same troll for $7, and building sections are more easily made with foam board, which with craft paint can outfit a whole table for like $10.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11427992.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11427992.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 frankelee wrote:
Somebody on Reddit thought $180 was equivalent for Osgiliath.

Absolutely no way that it is. Whoever said that just plugged it into a currency exchanger.

The Battlehosts are priced so well I can see a lot of people grabbing one of those, while the Battle for Osgiliath set is priced so poorly I can see no one grabbing it.

Core book was $60 by itself. And this features two sets, not just one, of the new scenery.

Reaper makes the same troll for $7, and building sections are more easily made with foam board, which with craft paint can outfit a whole table for like $10.

And it'll look like it too!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428000.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428000.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
£52.50 is $85.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428002.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428002.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread lol, Reaper models aren't as sharp as GW, but it's funny how a 20% improvement in details costs 500%.

Of course their new stuff like Reaper Black doesn't even give GW that much of an edge. More like 5%. And they put it them in blisters still so people can see for themselves before they buy it.

The Battle for Osgiliath would be something to wait until the half-off sale if it were an Age of Sigmar product, I don't know if they'll make enough for that here, but then again, you might not have to make many at that price.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428030.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428030.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 frankelee wrote:
lol, Reaper models aren't as sharp as GW, but it's funny how a 20% improvement in details costs 500%.

You said you can outfit a whole table "for like $10".

Hence my "and it will look like it too!" comment.

Of course their new stuff like Reaper Black doesn't even give GW that much of an edge. More like 5%. And they put it them in blisters still so people can see for themselves before they buy it.

Sure, and the GW Mordor Troll is on a plastic frame. It's not metal or finecast where a lot of work will be potentially necessary.

But you knew that, right?

The Battle for Osgiliath would be something to wait until the half-off sale if it were an Age of Sigmar product, I don't know if they'll make enough for that here, but then again, you might not have to make many at that price.

Maybe for you, but really it seems like you just want things at a deep discount no matter the quality no matter what system it is.

As it stands?

Getting two armies and enough scenery for the associated scenario book plus the core rulebook isn't necessarily the gamebreaker it is to others as it seems to be for you.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428038.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428038.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread LotR. The osgiliath set needs another leader on the evil side, but those are missing in plastic for all of the MESBG ranges.

Having some nice terrain is always good in a starter box too.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428072.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428072.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Commitz wrote:
The osgiliath set needs another leader on the evil side, but those are missing in plastic for all of the MESBG ranges.
You can make the troll into a chieftain. That gives you your 2nd leader. Might not be ideal, but certainly makes the evil side playable straight out of the box.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428116.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428116.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:
Not even going to speculate on Aus/NZ prices.


Someone at my group said they saw it at an RRP of $350AU, which is $90 over what the direct conversion rate is.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428130.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428130.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 .Mikes. wrote:
 Snrub wrote:
Not even going to speculate on Aus/NZ prices.


Someone at my group said they saw it at an RRP of $350AU, which is $90 over what the direct conversion rate is.



That's just 35% more than what it's supposed to be! Be glad they didn't arbitrarily double the price, like they sometimes decide to do when they feel like gouging Australians particularly hard]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428133.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428133.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 .Mikes. wrote:
Someone at my group said they saw it at an RRP of $350AU, which is $90 over what the direct conversion rate is.
So like $100 more then Pelennor. fething fantastic.... Colour me not at all shocked.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428141.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428141.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Commitz wrote:
Battle for Osgiliath is less army content but a bit more usable in some ways. Pelennor gave you plenty of warriors seemingly without thinking about the fact that mounted models can be dismounted in LotR. The osgiliath set needs another leader on the evil side, but those are missing in plastic for all of the MESBG ranges.

Having some nice terrain is always good in a starter box too.


I argue that it is a superior starter. Pelennor gave you three armies; one midsize Mordor, one tiny Rohan starter and one tiny Dead starter, and no scenery at all. Considering how _vital_ scenery is in SBG, I'm happy that Rob followed the community feedback and opted to swap out some infantry for scenery in the new starter. My only minor complaint is that the old Ruins scatter frame that is being bundled in the rerelease of Osgiliath ruins should also have been tossed into the starter for some more scatter terrain. Pelennor sets the wrong tone for new SBG players - games should have scads of terrain everywhere; Osgiliath is more on the right track. IMHO the (named) heroes ratio being off for Matched Play is barely a consideration as you should learn the game from Dan's included narrative scenarios before deciding which way to grow your force, plus the fact that any model can be a Captain if you want to ignore the narrative scenarios and jump right into competitive gaming.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428153.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428153.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 .Mikes. wrote:
 Snrub wrote:
Not even going to speculate on Aus/NZ prices.


Someone at my group said they saw it at an RRP of $350AU, which is $90 over what the direct conversion rate is.



That's just 35% more than what it's supposed to be! Be glad they didn't arbitrarily double the price, like they sometimes decide to do when they feel like gouging Australians particularly hard


There's a reason most MESBG games I play have more than a few 3d printed models in them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428161.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428161.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Kanluwen wrote:
 frankelee wrote:
lol, Reaper models aren't as sharp as GW, but it's funny how a 20% improvement in details costs 500%.

You said you can outfit a whole table "for like $10".

Hence my "and it will look like it too!" comment.


Yeah you need four official little GW building corners spread across an entire gaming table to make it NICE looking. People can't make good terrain with foam, cardboard, glue, and craft paint. Everyone knows that. Dude, tell me you're an inexperienced tabletop gamer without telling me you're an inexperienced tabletop gamer.

 Kanluwen wrote:
 frankelee wrote:

Of course their new stuff like Reaper Black doesn't even give GW that much of an edge. More like 5%. And they put it them in blisters still so people can see for themselves before they buy it.

Sure, and the GW Mordor Troll is on a plastic frame. It's not metal or finecast where a lot of work will be potentially necessary.

But you knew that, right?


This is a nonsensical retort.

 Kanluwen wrote:
 frankelee wrote:

The Battle for Osgiliath would be something to wait until the half-off sale if it were an Age of Sigmar product, I don't know if they'll make enough for that here, but then again, you might not have to make many at that price.

Maybe for you, but really it seems like you just want things at a deep discount no matter the quality no matter what system it is.

As it stands?

Getting two armies and enough scenery for the associated scenario book plus the core rulebook isn't necessarily the gamebreaker it is to others as it seems to be for you.


Muh quality system.

Yeah, again dude, once you actually learn about tabletop games, maybe get to know some people who play them, you're going to discover wargamers can count. I've been doing this a few decades now, and in all that time endless stans who support company X at any price for any product are a dime a dozen. And 100% of them know better than me, until of course things play out and then in reality they never actually do. It's not a compelling product, it's old infantry minis from 20 years ago, a couple of characters who aren't worth $35 each, and some sad looking building corners, which after you buy you will see don't make your table look like anything approaching a ruined city. And a book, wow a book. All at an absurdly high price.

People who already play the game aren't likely to find anything of value in it as the models are redundant, the book is unnecessary, and the scenery is basic and bland. Also, if you're involved with a group of people who play much MESBG, you probably can get those old infantry models off somebody in the group, or formerly in the group, who doesn't want them anymore for very little cost. Meanwhile if you're one of the vanishingly few potential new players who will consider joining the game over the next year, the box set is $200+ just to get started and has nothing exciting in it to justify the cost. It isn't a loss leader, it has no curb appeal, it's not tempting to new consumers. And GW does stuff like this all the time, and it never works out for them. It's not even new, it's predictable. They just let them sit on retailer's shelves until the owner offers some to regulars at a deep discount.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428168.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428168.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread Maybe say these things without being so agressively combative and dismissive and you'll have a much nicer time here.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428171.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428171.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
This isn't a new, or meaningfully changed core rulebook, is it?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428507.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428507.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Are the heroes in the Osgiliath box, exclusive to it? That's the only reason my OCD might force me to give in.

This isn't a new, or meaningfully changed core rulebook, is it?


for a window, much like Theoden was in Pelennor.

Nope, just the same core rules since the early 2000's, with included faq/errata, much like GW has done since the big blue book of 2005, and no meaningful changes since 2012.


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People who already play the game aren't likely to find anything of value in it as the models are redundant, the book is unnecessary, and the scenery is basic and bland.


I disagree completely, but the way you write is so full of absolutes that there is certainly no meaningful discussion that can be had with you.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428509.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428509.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428555.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428555.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 judgedoug wrote:
Nope, just the same core rules since the early 2000's, with included faq/errata, much like GW has done since the big blue book of 2005, and no meaningful changes since 2012.

And thank god for that.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428557.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428557.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread The quick-start PDFs for the Battlehosts are up.

Whatever your leanings, the new Battlehosts are a fantastic way to start or bolster a Middle-earth™ Strategy Battle Game collection, and once you pick your side you’ll want to hit the battlefield running.

For this reason, we’re giving away a Quickstart Rules Guide PDF which can be downloaded right here. The document contains a simplified set of the Core Rules, as well as a selection of scenarios to play through. We’re also giving away four separate Quickstart Booklet PDFs – one for each of the Battlehosts – with profiles for all the miniatures you get in the boxes so you can get started playing as easily as possible.
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 frankelee wrote:
Of course their new stuff like Reaper Black doesn't even give GW that much of an edge.


Never mind Bones... Wargames Atlantic is putting out a box of LOTR trolls that'll probably be 9 or 12 for $35]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428801.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428801.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Warhammer wrote:Download the free rules for the Middle-earth Strategy Battle Game and unit profiles for the new Battlehost boxes here: https://bit.ly/3cQVymP


They're 'just' Quickstart Rules, but it's better than nothing...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428817.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428817.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread MESBG. Are the new army boxes an okay buy? Do they need a lot of other purchases to play regular sized games? Are those four factions good to play? What else do I need?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428834.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428834.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428843.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428843.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 lord_blackfang wrote:
Let's pretend I don't know anything at all about MESBG. Are the new army boxes an okay buy? Do they need a lot of other purchases to play regular sized games? Are those four factions good to play? What else do I need?


Yes indeed, they are a great core to each of those 4 armies. Each includes a mighty hero who'd you wind up eventually getting as well. Here's some of my thoughts about them, in no particular order:


Minas Tirith focuses us primarily on, obviously, Minas Tirith. the Gondor Commanders pack and a pack of Citadel Guard will do wonders. Maybe even add Beregond for some siege of MT theme (with Gandalf the White). Obviously the Starter + Minas Tirith is very useful for continuing an Osgiliath theme as well.

Mordor box is wonderful for going Angmar or Mordor. New Starter + Mordor even better for Mordor for a mix of the soldier orcs, orc rabble, warg riders, and some trolls. In either Angmar or Mordor, adding the box of orc commanders is useful. For Mordor, how about some Morgul Knights and the Mouth of Sauron? For Angmar, can't go wrong with some spooky stuff like Spectres and Barrow-Wights!

The obvious pairing here would be Starter + Minas Tirith + Mordor box and you'll have just a pile of War of the Ring in Gondor options to choose from, maybe adding a Fell-Beast for late War of the Ring, and Boromir to go with his bro for earlier pre-Fellowship reclamation of Osgiliath.

Rohan box sets you up well, the next logical step from here would be more Riders of Rohan. Mounted Rohan command would be useful, or if you want to go hero-heavy, Gamling with his banner. Wanna redo some Fords of Isen action? Add Theodred and Grimbold. Later in the War of the Ring? Theoden and some Royal Guard.

Isengard is a great core for Isengard in general or branching into Scouts or Soldier Uruks only. Logical next purchases: for Scouts, the Scout Command pack and Lurtz/Ugluk. For soldiers, Fighting Uruk-hai command pack, crossbowme, berzerkers.

And of course the obvious pairing here would be Rohan and Isengard and either build towards early War of the Ring battles such as the Fords of Isen w/ Theodred/Grimbold vs Uruks (and maybe grab a box of Warg Riders and normal Orcs for these battles). Or Eomer's riders (add more Riders) vs Uruk Scouts roaming throughout Rohan. Or Theoden, Eomer, etc vs soldier Uruks for late-War in Rohan. Or Theoden and Dernhelm/Eowyn for Pelennor era.

In all cases, you can absolutely use a normal soldier fella as a Captain (for example, the Knights of Minas Tirith, I would 100% use one as a mounted captain).

And additionally, I'd say "which battle or event in the books or films do you like the most" because it's real, real easy to theme some armies around those events, and if it's a battle or event you just love, it makes building the armies all that more enjoyable.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428965.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428965.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428969.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428969.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428970.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428970.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 lord_blackfang wrote:
Thanks y'all. Sad, I would love Isengard the most as a faction and trolling people with Saruman/Grima, but I can't live without cavalry and they seem to have none. Losing the Army rule to take allies is probably a big deal, yea?


If you're talking matched play, they have a few in-list cavalry options.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428972.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428972.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428977.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428977.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 lord_blackfang wrote:
Oooh I skipped over Warg Riders because their stats aren't under Isengard. Still can't see Dunlending Cavalry. Is "Armies of the Lord of the Rings" the most current list?


Yep if the stats for units were repeated on every army the unit would be in the damn book would be like 500 pages.

"War in Rohan" is the campaign book you are looking for; big ol book with a ton of scenarios that also has a bunch more Rohan specific stuff including Dunland expanded to cover the units and heroes that are more book-based versus film-based.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428979.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428979.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428993.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11428993.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 lord_blackfang wrote:
Oooh I was completely unaware there's already a bunch of splatbooks for this edition. Thank you. I really might go Rohan&Isengard.


Most of them are really great, especially if you're into campaigns and scenarios like I am. Some are merely okay, like Fall of the Necromancer is a little light. But War in Rohan has over 20 scenarios and a campaign play system if you want to link them, in addition to new profiles for different Ents (Quickbeam, etc), expanded Dunland, historical figures like Helm Hammerhand, etc etc, plus oldschool GW style painting guides for Rohan scenery, etc. edit: oh plus greatly expanded siege rules and new siege scenarios!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11429001.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11429001.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11429003.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11429003.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
chaos0xomega wrote:
I managed to score a copy of Pelennor Fields online over the weekend, and have asked my lfgs to order in the Osgiliath, Rohan, Gondor, and Isengard boxes. That should give me sizeable Mordor, Rohan, and Gondor forces to go alongside my already fairly sizable Easterlings force plus a start on my Isengard force.


That's what I'm talkin' about! The only thing is that you may wind up with an excess of soldier/morannon orcs, but could always trade away a frame or two of them to someone for something else! With Pelennor I'd recommand grabbing the King of the Dead as well (the new plastic one comes with Heralds as well) and maybe The Three Hunters so you could do an Aragorn/Dead/Pelennor themed force.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11429005.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11429005.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11429024.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11429024.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 judgedoug wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
I managed to score a copy of Pelennor Fields online over the weekend, and have asked my lfgs to order in the Osgiliath, Rohan, Gondor, and Isengard boxes. That should give me sizeable Mordor, Rohan, and Gondor forces to go alongside my already fairly sizable Easterlings force plus a start on my Isengard force.


That's what I'm talkin' about! The only thing is that you may wind up with an excess of soldier/morannon orcs, but could always trade away a frame or two of them to someone for something else! With Pelennor I'd recommand grabbing the King of the Dead as well (the new plastic one comes with Heralds as well) and maybe The Three Hunters so you could do an Aragorn/Dead/Pelennor themed force.


Yeah, I forgot about the Army of the Dead minis. TBH I was thinking of dumping them, not sure its worth collecting an army that has such few options available and in general they don't much appeal to me.

Not really worried about having too many morannon orcs, 60 seems like a solid number XD]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11429088.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11429088.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11429090.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11429090.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11429262.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11429262.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread

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 lord_blackfang wrote:
Hmmm actually there's still plenty of Battle of Pellenor Fields in German floating about for about the cost of two Battlehosts. I'd have to toss the book, but the savings on minis are even better, right?


Considering the rules are 99%+ unchanged, no reason to toss the book]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11429286.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11429286.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 judgedoug wrote:
Keep in mind that you really don't need a 1:1 of cavalry and dismounts - only need a dismount on the off-chance your mount gets killed and the rider doesn't.


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 lord_blackfang wrote:
Hmmm actually there's still plenty of Battle of Pellenor Fields in German floating about for about the cost of two Battlehosts. I'd have to toss the book, but the savings on minis are even better, right?


Considering the rules are 99%+ unchanged, no reason to toss the book


Well the reason is that it's in German English copies are already at scalper prices but German copies can still be found at 20% off original retail - a smidge above the GW retail cost of 3 plastic infantry boxes.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11429321.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11429321.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 lord_blackfang wrote:

Well the reason is that it's in German English copies are already at scalper prices but German copies can still be found at 20% off original retail - a smidge above the GW retail cost of 3 plastic infantry boxes.


woops! somehow missed that. toss it on ebay and make a few bucks or post it on the FB MESBG trade group(s)?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11429341.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11429341.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Anyway, for someone away from the game for a few years, is there any way to catch up on what supplements have new units, and the new army-lists? I've heard they added quite a few, but I haven't bought a book since the new Battle Companies skirmish guide.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11429553.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11429553.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
This thread got me fired up about revisiting a few SBG projects I had half finished, but now I am bummed, because it seems like the camel riders are all gone? I really wanted to do a full camel list. :-(

It was mentioned on Warhammer Community that Mahûd Raiders and King are a part of the range rotation and are due to return in October.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/07/21/middle-earth-range-rotation-dunedain-and-dale-heroes-retire-as-old-warriors-re-enter-the-fray/]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11429558.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11429558.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11429559.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11429559.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread LotR, but the game stills seems great, one of the only games GW makes which hasn't been overcomplicated into oblivion.

Very tempted to dust off some of the few minis I have left from it (bunch of nice metals from the original release + Battle Games in Middle Earth) and make an Osgiliath board.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11429624.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11429624.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW have ever made, and they don't tinker with it very much! A lot of the core miniautres are old, and can be quite frustrating to paint, but they look great on the table - no better time to start!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11429657.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11429657.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread faq section for odd rules interactions, at least anecdotally it seems like I very very rarely need to ever reference it. The core rules have been stable for two decades.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11429835.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11429835.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11430029.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11430029.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
We used to sell the core LotR boxes for 65, back in the day. Good gracious.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11430111.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11430111.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
The original original LOTR box if I remember correctly was 9 metal fellowship and a few sprues of moria goblins?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11430117.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11430117.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11430118.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11430118.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11430124.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11430124.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 lord_blackfang wrote:
I mean, Pelennor was 140€ retail, right? And this definitely has a "Kill Zone"'s worth of new terrain. About 1/2 - 1 boxes less models per side tho, right?

The original original LOTR box if I remember correctly was 9 metal fellowship and a few sprues of moria goblins?


All four original starters costed the same except the very first one, an no box had metals, it was all plastic as all other GW starter boxes.

The very first one (The Fellowship of the Rings) had a box of numenoreans and noldor, plus a box of moria orcs, and socme scenery (plus, obviosly, the game, dice, and a modules book, that's the same in all the boxes). It was also all new, state of the art sprues by the time (whereas this new box is all old stuff except for the characters).



The second one (The Mines of Moria box set) had 9 characters (the fellowship, yeah), a cave troll, 24 moria goblins and Mines of Moria scenery. All new except the moria orcs.



The third one (The Two Towers) had a box of uruk-hai and two boxes of rohirrim infantry, plus some scenery, but still, all new, state-of-the-art sprues by the time.



Lastly, the fourth one (The Return of the King) was IMHO the worst, as it was basically a box of Minas Tirith humans and a box of Mordor orcs, plus again, some lowr level infantry. Still, as said with the above bosex, all new.



But I was actually way off with the prices: the price I remembered was the original price for the Hobbit first box, which was ludicrously expensive in comparison. The first box started at retail at $39.95, whereas the rest went for $45.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11430127.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11430127.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Felloship 2001
Two Towers 2002
Return of the King 2003
Mines of Moria 2005
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RazorEdge wrote:
Mines of Moria was the 4th Starter Set.

Felloship 2001
Two Towers 2002
Return of the King 2003
Mines of Moria 2005


Ah, got that turned around. In my defense, it was a long time ago ^^]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11430136.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11430136.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 lord_blackfang wrote:
I mean, Pelennor was 140€ retail, right? And this definitely has a "Kill Zone"'s worth of new terrain. About 1/2 - 1 boxes less models per side tho, right?

The original original LOTR box if I remember correctly was 9 metal fellowship and a few sprues of moria goblins?

No, it was 120 RRP initially before GW bumped up the price a year or so later.
The boxes with the movie releases had just a few plastic sprues, no metal.

Anyone know if the Battlehosts are here to stay or are they a limited run?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11430168.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11430168.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 lord_blackfang wrote:
I mean, Pelennor was 140€ retail, right? And this definitely has a "Kill Zone"'s worth of new terrain. About 1/2 - 1 boxes less models per side tho, right?

The original original LOTR box if I remember correctly was 9 metal fellowship and a few sprues of moria goblins?


No, the very first box for Fellowship was two sprues of each group, Last Alliance and Moria Goblins.

EDIT: Apparently there was another page and this was already answered, my bad for the "dog piling"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11430169.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11430169.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Albertorius wrote:
But I was actually way off with the prices: the price I remembered was the original price for the Hobbit first box


The Hobbit Strategy Battle Game - Escape from Goblintown was $125 in 2012

Also the rulebook at that time was an eye watering $85]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11430202.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11430202.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
I think the Osgiliath box is great, despite the price, as its two decent armies and a set of decent terrain - not only was the box enough to make me want to buy it, but it was enough to make me want to buy into the game system as a whole (despite owning Easterlings, I didn't buy them for use with MESBG), such that I then tracked down a copy of Pelennor and ordered 3 of the 4 battlehosts releasing alongside it.

Even if the price is high, it is a much better *product*.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11430221.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11430221.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread imho.

however now that the Osgiliath starter preorder is up I can easily see that the new Ray Dranfield designed Osgiliath buildings are incredible and I can't wait to buy a massive gonzo scenery box set like they did for Rohan and Dol Guldur scenery.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11430245.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11430245.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread FLGS. And I'm moving the ghosts for 15€.

Will probably pick up both relevant Battlehosts, on discount they'll cost barely more than the heroes inside that I'd need to buy from Direct.


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 CptJake wrote:
Is the terrain in this new set the same as the Osgiliath Ruins you could buy separately not too long ago?


No, the older stuff has been re-released as the "Ruins of Middle-Earth" set on direct-only pre-order this week.

The ruins in the new set are on sale for the first time.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11430606.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11430606.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Momotaro wrote:
 CptJake wrote:
Is the terrain in this new set the same as the Osgiliath Ruins you could buy separately not too long ago?


No, the older stuff has been re-released as the "Ruins of Middle-Earth" set on direct-only pre-order this week.

The ruins in the new set are on sale for the first time.


So this terrain is brand new/never before released? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11430674.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11430674.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11430691.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11430691.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11430693.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11430693.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW releases a $300+ bundle deal of the new ruins and buy 2 of them lol.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11430704.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11430704.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11430707.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11430707.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Ignispacium wrote:
The terrain is the thing I'm most excited for. It's going to be great for setting up a Mordheim table, or just about any city-setting skirmish gaming.


Going to be perfect for Frostgrave!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11430811.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11430811.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11430837.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11430837.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 lord_blackfang wrote:
Walls seem a bit thin to me.


Look to be about the same as the existing ones so at least they're consistent if so. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11430859.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11430859.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 judgedoug wrote:
Modular Osgiliath sprues


Those sprues look very interesting and has potential. I hope you can make building that aren't destroyed.

I'm going to wait and hopefully they released a big box like that for Rohan or Dol Guldor. I'll probably be waiting a year or more since this box isn't even released until December.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11430894.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11430894.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW miniatures I've bought in about 15 years, so they've really gotten something right with this release.

I picked up Mordor and Minas Tirith, to expand with the Osgiliath box later in the year. The contents don't duplicate at all, with the exception of 12 warriors of minis tirith so it's perfect.

Will probably sell off the scenery from the starter, it's really nice, but 3d printer has been going brrr with ruined stone buildings for quite some time now.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11430913.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11430913.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
zombie_sky_diver wrote:
 judgedoug wrote:
Modular Osgiliath sprues


Those sprues look very interesting and has potential. I hope you can make building that aren't destroyed.

I'm going to wait and hopefully they released a big box like that for Rohan or Dol Guldor. I'll probably be waiting a year or more since this box isn't even released until December.


Yep they confirmed you can make intact buildings. There is some unconfirmed speculation that there is a third sprue that will be in the individual kit with roof tiles & accessories, but again, no confirmation.

I'll also be eagerly awaiting a mega box - that being said, the first Rohan mega box came out at roughly the same time as the individual kits, so it could happen.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11430951.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11430951.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Ruined building are cool, but for fantasy I don't like too many. Your bows and spears can't cause that kind of rubble so I don't like ally buildings shown as ruins. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11430969.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11430969.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 judgedoug wrote:
zombie_sky_diver wrote:
 judgedoug wrote:
Modular Osgiliath sprues


Those sprues look very interesting and has potential. I hope you can make building that aren't destroyed.

I'm going to wait and hopefully they released a big box like that for Rohan or Dol Guldor. I'll probably be waiting a year or more since this box isn't even released until December.


Yep they confirmed you can make intact buildings. There is some unconfirmed speculation that there is a third sprue that will be in the individual kit with roof tiles & accessories, but again, no confirmation.

I'll also be eagerly awaiting a mega box - that being said, the first Rohan mega box came out at roughly the same time as the individual kits, so it could happen.


I just noticed that this image has a stairs and balustrade (behind the troll) that aren't available on the initial 2 sprues so there's likely more sprues for later release.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11430990.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11430990.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
zombie_sky_diver wrote:
 judgedoug wrote:
Modular Osgiliath sprues


I hope you can make building that aren't destroyed.


Most of the parts are ruined ones, but it looks like if you buy enough kits you should get enough undamaged parts to build one intact building for every few destroyed ones.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11431020.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11431020.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
chaos0xomega wrote:
zombie_sky_diver wrote:
 judgedoug wrote:
Modular Osgiliath sprues


I hope you can make building that aren't destroyed.


Most of the parts are ruined ones, but it looks like if you buy enough kits you should get enough undamaged parts to build one intact building for every few destroyed ones.


Sector Fronteris style I guess, though I think some of the imperial sector ruins had ruined floors that slotted together]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11431085.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11431085.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 DaveC wrote:

I just noticed that this image has a stairs and balustrade (behind the troll) that aren't available on the initial 2 sprues so there's likely more sprues for later release.



GOOD CATCH! That amps my desire up, though my wallet is already whimpering.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11431118.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11431118.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread Although i'm not really happy that'll it'll probably be $110+.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/09/18/sunday-preview-mortal-realms-magic-and-space-marines-made-to-order/




Can't say i'm overly enamoured with this drip feed style MtO they're currently doing. I didn't order Gandlaf/Final Fate of the Witch-king on a hunch that they might release more. I was right, but it's annoying cause it means I don't know if they'll do another one next week, how much do I need to budget for them all. They just drop them all at once you buggers.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433258.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433258.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
But still we wants them. We wants them!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433259.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433259.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 His Master's Voice wrote:
Man, I wish that set was available in resin. I'd rather deal with the worst Forge World resin over the best metal.

But still we wants them. We wants them!

And with Finecrap you'd get the worst of both worlds.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433264.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433264.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433268.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433268.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:
About fething time they MtO'd the Breaking of the Fellowship. Been waiting for this for ages. Although i'm not really happy that'll it'll probably be $110+.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/09/18/sunday-preview-mortal-realms-magic-and-space-marines-made-to-order/




Can't say i'm overly enamoured with this drip feed style MtO they're currently doing. I didn't order Gandlaf/Final Fate of the Witch-king on a hunch that they might release more. I was right, but it's annoying cause it means I don't know if they'll do another one next week, how much do I need to budget for them all. They just drop them all at once you buggers.


It was also in the April 2019 Made to Order. I think the price then was just over £40, not sure how that converts with current GW conversion but can also expect a slight uplift on that.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433344.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433344.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433347.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433347.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
but man, I wouldn't mind having some of the Numenoreans from Ring of Power as minis.
Spoiler:


]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433389.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433389.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Should have been this one. At some point would really be nice.


That one and Heroes of the West are the ones I am hoping for.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433391.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433391.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Carlovonsexron wrote:
I haven't watched it, only seen screenshots - and have heard its dialogue is pretty terrible...

but man, I wouldn't mind having some of the Numenoreans from Ring of Power as minis.


Show quality aside (I expected to dislike it and now the show has converted me, I quite like it), it is _wonderful_ to see all new WETA designs for Middle-earth and yes every episode I find myself wishing there were minatures coming out for them... especially ESPECIALLY the orcs.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433394.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433394.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433404.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433404.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Aeneades wrote:It was also in the April 2019 Made to Order.
I had to look that one up. That was an amazing MtO. Faramir and that Halbarad would have been auto-buys for me.

Inquisitor Gideon wrote:Should have been this one. At some point would really be nice.
I'm waiting keenly for that one too! I don't have any of those figures yet, and i've put off buying them piecemeal in the hopes that they'll MtO it.

Aeneades wrote:That one and Heroes of the West are the ones I am hoping for.
Missing Aragorn, Gandalf and Eomer from that kit.


The 3 models I'm hanging for them to MtO are OG Thranduil, Halbarad w/Horn and the Limited Box set Rohan Captain with axe. He's rare as hell.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433427.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433427.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW will be doing Rings of Power minis?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433464.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433464.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Anyway, I'm confused, doesn't the breaking of the fellowship happen at amon hen? I got the amon hen set a couple of years ago on mto. I'm confused as to why they have 2 sets representing events so close together?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433467.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433467.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Hopefully not.

Anyway, I'm confused, doesn't the breaking of the fellowship happen at amon hen? I got the amon hen set a couple of years ago on mto. I'm confused as to why they have 2 sets representing events so close together?


Money, dear boy.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433468.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433468.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
chaos0xomega wrote:
Has there been any definitive word about whether or not GW will be doing Rings of Power minis?


I don't think they're ever going to give us a definitive word. They just sort of set the idea to the side on their livestream, and I expect that may well be the last you ever hear a GW employee mention Rings of Power.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433469.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433469.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Hopefully not.

Why "hopefully" not?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433480.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433480.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread WB) movie series.

GW's licence came from a confusing combination of New Line and Middle Earth Enterprises. Just to confuse things further, Middle Earth Enterprises has just been purchased by Embracer Group, which looks to be building a vertically integrated entertainment group consisting of comic book publishers, video game developers/publishers, movie production studios and most recently Asmodee - the largest board game publishers in the world. Most future board gaming/miniature licences (not existing ones) are likely to go to Asmodee in the first instance with maybe the odd specifically licenced item being allowed to be published elsewhere. Part of Asmodee is Fantasy Flight, which we'll all remember used to be a close licensor of GW IP until both parties abrupted ended their relationship in 2016, rumours suggesting that it was because of Fantasy Flight moving into competing miniature games such as X-Wing.

So I think it's fair to say that it's unlikely that GW are going to be getting a licence for Rings of Power or be making miniatures for it any time soon. Which is probably a good thing.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433485.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433485.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433492.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433492.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Dysartes wrote:

Why "hopefully" not?


Because it's awful?


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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Hopefully not.

Anyway, I'm confused, doesn't the breaking of the fellowship happen at amon hen? I got the amon hen set a couple of years ago on mto. I'm confused as to why they have 2 sets representing events so close together?


Money, dear boy.


Aye true but really? Here's the fellowship from these scenes in the film, and heres another fellowship from a few scenes later! Makes no sense. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433496.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433496.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Londinium wrote:
Rings of Power is produced under a separate licence from the New Line (WB) movie series.

GW's licence came from a confusing combination of New Line and Middle Earth Enterprises. Just to confuse things further, Middle Earth Enterprises has just been purchased by Embracer Group, which looks to be building a vertically integrated entertainment group consisting of comic book publishers, video game developers/publishers, movie production studios and most recently Asmodee - the largest board game publishers in the world. Most future board gaming/miniature licences (not existing ones) are likely to go to Asmodee in the first instance with maybe the odd specifically licenced item being allowed to be published elsewhere. Part of Asmodee is Fantasy Flight, which we'll all remember used to be a close licensor of GW IP until both parties abrupted ended their relationship in 2016, rumours suggesting that it was because of Fantasy Flight moving into competing miniature games such as X-Wing.

So I think it's fair to say that it's unlikely that GW are going to be getting a licence for Rings of Power or be making miniatures for it any time soon. Which is probably a good thing.

I don't believe thats entirely accurate.

Amazon purchased the rights through a deal brokered between the Tolkien Estate, HarperCollins Publishing, and New Line Cinema/Warner Bros (as in the three entities are collectively together the licensors to Amazons production) - which is why Amazon is able to re-utilize film assets from New Lines/Warners productions, etc. This deal was basically only made possible by Christopher Tolkien stepping down from managing the Estate (he hated the Peter Jackson films and was not on good terms with WB/New Line) and the subsequent settlement of a legal dispute between the Tolkien Estate and Warner Bros/New Line. It was reportedly a specific requirement of Bezos that the Amazon production have access to re-use material from the films because he wanted the Prime show to be seen as being "canon" or "official" by mainstream audiences who identify more with the films than the book (I imagine that Bezos was also thinking ahead, as Zaentz Co was maneuvering to sell Middle Earth Enterprises, etc. even then, which will likely result in a Marvel Studios vs Sony Pictures style rights split - Bezos wanted Rings of Power to come out on the "winning side" of continuity, etc. rather than being seen as the "off brand" version). The Tolkien Estate on its own did not have the ability to grant those rights to Amazon (especially since New Line/Warners rights are derived from Middle Earth Enterprises rights rather than the Tolkien Estate), so New Line/Warner Bros had to be involved in the agreement for that to happen. Confusingly, that means that Amazons rights are indirectly and partially derived from Middle Earth Enterprises as well, via Warner/New Line - which is why Embracers press release indicates that it has a "financial stake" in The Rings of Power, because it will generate royalties indirectly via what I assume are royalties receivable by Warner/New Line and HarperCollins for their part in the deal.

GWs own licenses seem to be derived directly from New Line/Warner Bros, and *not* directly from Middle Earth Enterprises (essentially GW is a sub-licensee), which is why the copyright/trademark rights notations on their web pages all indicated all rights reserved by Warner and New Line, with the additional stipulation that ultimate ownership rests with Middle Earth Enterprises (now Embracer) under license to New Line/Warner. You will see this to be true if you look up previous GW press-releases on the topic, such as this one from 2011 (not their current licensing deal as it was renewed again afterwards). As you can see it states clearly that WARNER BROS (specifically Warner Bros. Consuper Products) has extended GWs licensing agreement for 6 years. Middle-Earth Enterprises is only menioned in the copyright text in relation to it having granted license to WB/New Line. Likewise, if you check the "licensing contacts" page for Middle-Earth Enterprises, you will see that "Merchandising Based Upon the Books" is licensed by MEE directly, but upon "Merchandising Based Upon the Films" is done via Warner Bros (you will also note HarperCollins there for "Other Book Rights"). Its also worth noting that the Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit licenses seem to be separate items as those licenses are often called out separately on various pages - I think its safe to assume that, by extension, the forthcoming The War of the Rohirrim from New Line/Warner would also be a separate license that GW would have to negotiate and acquire (though I note that it is being published under the "The Lord of the Rings" banner - so it *might* actually fall under GWs existing license). Likewise, the Rings of Power would also similarly be a separate license that GW would have to negotiate and pay for, likely with Amazon. These are likely not things that GW would have automatic access to.


So.

All that being said, Embracers purchase of Middle Earth Enterprises doesn't directly impact Games Workshop (at least not currently), as GWs licensing deal with Warner Bros/New Line will remain active so long as GW is willing to renew it and Warner Bros/New Lines continues to hold licensing rights, which it seems they will continue to do because not unlike Sony's Marvel license rights, Warner/New Lines rights will basically continue to exist in perpetuity so long as they meet the requirements to maintain "currency" on it so that they can't revert back to Middle Earth Enterprises (this is why Embracer managed to buy the license for ~$750 million instead of the $2 billion asking, because the rights are basically in a patchwork of legal hell and theres no real way for Embracer or anyone else to generate a quick ROI, as all the most valuable rights are basically farmed out already).

I know GW has mentioned Rings of Power (and maybe War of the Rohirrim?) once or twice in official communication, but I wasn't sure if they had indicated that they will *never* do anything with it or if there might be more news in the future, etc.


 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:

Why "hopefully" not?

Because it's awful?

Such an unpleasant fellow. Maybe one day you'll learn that opinions are subjective and yours don't count for much in the grand scheme of things.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433518.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433518.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW being able to jump on the new series in a more direct way could really boost the game. It's clear they are trying to do this with what they have but a new range release with the new series would have been ideal. Does the rights situation mean GW can't produce anything that is in the books but not the movies?

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433540.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433540.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Tallonian4th wrote:
Never knew that about the Tolkien Estate and the movies but I can see where they are coming from with MME. It's a shame the rights are such a mess as GW being able to jump on the new series in a more direct way could really boost the game. It's clear they are trying to do this with what they have but a new range release with the new series would have been ideal. Does the rights situation mean GW can't produce anything that is in the books but not the movies?



I'm not into all the legal stuff but GW did release a lot of stuff from the books that wasn't in the movies (Erkenbrand, Bombadil, everything Arnor, the newest book about Erebor during the war of the Ring to name a few).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433542.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433542.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Tallonian4th wrote:
Never knew that about the Tolkien Estate and the movies but I can see where they are coming from with MME. It's a shame the rights are such a mess as GW being able to jump on the new series in a more direct way could really boost the game. It's clear they are trying to do this with what they have but a new range release with the new series would have been ideal. Does the rights situation mean GW can't produce anything that is in the books but not the movies?



GW have the ability to do anything in the Lord of the Rings, the Hobbit and the appendicies. So they have a considerable amount of material to draw from. And they really do not need to touch that..show. What they need to do is focus on rescultping plastic troops and getting stuff out of finecast. Get that done and you'll see a wealth of new people.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433543.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433543.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread IIRC, because they went (indirectly) through the rights derived from Middle Earth Enterprises, GW has access to the LotR books and Appendix A plus the timeline. The Saul Zaentz licence was tied in some way to a late-69s/early-70s European-published version of the LotR books. The publisher was going to exclude all the appendices, but Tolkien himself intervened, begging them to include those parts at least.

So GW can include a lot, like the names of the Fall of Arnor characters, but not the specifics of the final battle, or the presence of Glorfindel.

Khamul is the exception, as he's first mentioned in Unfinished Tales. According to the old GW website (circa 2006-8), they got permission from the Tolkien Estate by saying they'd call him "Fred" if they weren't granted permission to use rhe name.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433549.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433549.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Tallonian4th wrote:
Never knew that about the Tolkien Estate and the movies but I can see where they are coming from with MME. It's a shame the rights are such a mess as GW being able to jump on the new series in a more direct way could really boost the game. It's clear they are trying to do this with what they have but a new range release with the new series would have been ideal. Does the rights situation mean GW can't produce anything that is in the books but not the movies?


Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Tallonian4th wrote:
Never knew that about the Tolkien Estate and the movies but I can see where they are coming from with MME. It's a shame the rights are such a mess as GW being able to jump on the new series in a more direct way could really boost the game. It's clear they are trying to do this with what they have but a new range release with the new series would have been ideal. Does the rights situation mean GW can't produce anything that is in the books but not the movies?



I'm not into all the legal stuff but GW did release a lot of stuff from the books that wasn't in the movies (Erkenbrand, Bombadil, everything Arnor, the newest book about Erebor during the war of the Ring to name a few).


GWs rights would basically be an extension of the New Line/Warner rights. By necessity, New Line and Warners rights include things beyond what they have actually produced thus far (I don't know the specifics, but I would guess they include the various appendicies and notes associated with LotR and The Hobbit) - hence the forthcoming War of the Rohirrim anime, ergo GW is able to produce things which don't appear in film. This would, interestingly, potentially allow GW the ability to produce content set during the same era as The Rings of Power, but it would be limited to whatever original content GW produces and whatever canon they could lift form those appendicies and mentions, etc. They would not be able to duplicate the likenesses or original characers, etc. from the Amazon show - and its likely that Warner/New Line would not issue licensor approval for such things anyway.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Tallonian4th wrote:
Never knew that about the Tolkien Estate and the movies but I can see where they are coming from with MME. It's a shame the rights are such a mess as GW being able to jump on the new series in a more direct way could really boost the game. It's clear they are trying to do this with what they have but a new range release with the new series would have been ideal. Does the rights situation mean GW can't produce anything that is in the books but not the movies?

GW have the ability to do anything in the Lord of the Rings, the Hobbit and the appendicies. So they have a considerable amount of material to draw from. And they really do not need to touch that..show. What they need to do is focus on rescultping plastic troops and getting stuff out of finecast. Get that done and you'll see a wealth of new people.


There is no market for resculpted plastic troops that will bring in a "wealth of new people". The people who care about resculpted stuff are the existing fanbase for the game who have overwhelmingly already purchased all the basic troops they will ever need. The "new people" don't know and don't care one way or the other if something is resculpted or existing product, they will buy it either way. Beyond that, the reality is that the "knock-on"/"carryover" effect from The Rings of Power into Lord of the Rings is and will be miniscule. The masses want direct tie-in products that reference the latest developments in the fandom, not second-hand references to a 10-20 year old series of films. If you want the "wealth of new people" you need them to produce content for "that...show". On that note, we seem to have a schrodingers franchise situation where "that...show" is apparently believed to be bad or awful enough that it has no value, yet its also expected to somehow generate enough interest for a "wealth of new people" to come pouring through the floodgates if GW were to market to them. Both ideas cannot simultaneously be true. Its either bad and will not generate any interest or good and will generate plenty of interest.


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Khamul is the exception, as he's first mentioned in Unfinished Tales. According to the old GW website (circa 2006-8), they got permission from the Tolkien Estate by saying they'd call him "Fred" if they weren't granted permission to use rhe name.


Thats actually hilarious.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433552.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433552.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
But that's hardly true, now is it? Things can still be bad, but enjoyed by many. Look at the vast majority of Marvel movies.
The show is a bad, if not horrible adaptaion. And the ass writing doesn't help either. It does however look pretty, that i will agree on.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433556.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433556.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 judgedoug wrote:
Carlovonsexron wrote:
I haven't watched it, only seen screenshots - and have heard its dialogue is pretty terrible...

but man, I wouldn't mind having some of the Numenoreans from Ring of Power as minis.


Show quality aside (I expected to dislike it and now the show has converted me, I quite like it), it is _wonderful_ to see all new WETA designs for Middle-earth and yes every episode I find myself wishing there were minatures coming out for them... especially ESPECIALLY the orcs.


Same. Would kill for an Arondir mini and some silvan rangers. And some people are way ahead on adapting current models for the show.





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 Momotaro wrote:

Khamul is the exception, as he's first mentioned in Unfinished Tales. According to the old GW website (circa 2006-8), they got permission from the Tolkien Estate by saying they'd call him "Fred" if they weren't granted permission to use rhe name.


They should do that with everything else.

"Nice lord of Dakness you've got there. Would be a shame if he showed up on tabletops called..... Keith."
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 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I think you should see a number of people who would want to start, but won't because of the age old plastics.


I don't think the plastics are the problem, it's how much of the range is still metal and resin. This causes a few issues in that Warhammer stores now stock exclusively plastic (bar a WHW and two flagship stores), it limits the range third party retailers can sell whilst offering discounts and the hobby has massively pivoted to plastic that metal and resin are seen as advanced materials thus not for new entrants.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433593.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433593.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW made. But if the cost is $100+, I just can't do it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433618.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433618.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Tallonian4th wrote:

I don't think the plastics are the problem, it's how much of the range is still metal and resin. This causes a few issues in that Warhammer stores now stock exclusively plastic (bar a WHW and two flagship stores), it limits the range third party retailers can sell whilst offering discounts and the hobby has massively pivoted to plastic that metal and resin are seen as advanced materials thus not for new entrants.


They could solve two problems at once by updating the old plastic kits to be more in line with the newer plastic kits, i.e. include the options for banners, captains, shamans, horns etc. Refresh the range, ditch a lot of the resin commander sets and make the whole game much more newcomer friendly. (want to get started with Gondor? Buy this ONE box and you'll have all you need for a 150ish point starter warband)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433775.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433775.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

Anyway, I'm confused, doesn't the breaking of the fellowship happen at amon hen? I got the amon hen set a couple of years ago on mto. I'm confused as to why they have 2 sets representing events so close together?


Different poses - there's a ton of poses for many heroes and you can use what you prefer. Breaking of the Fellowship is just one of those vanity sets for those (of us) who love all the different sculpts and is no way required to play.
http://www.one-ring.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=15007

Many of the earlier "combo sets" (pre-2005) like, for example, Ambush at Amon Hen, were produced for specific scenarios that GW made for events depicted in the films as they were coming out.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433781.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433781.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
chaos0xomega wrote:
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Why "hopefully" not?

Because it's awful?

Such an unpleasant fellow. Maybe one day you'll learn that opinions are subjective and yours don't count for much in the grand scheme of things.

That doesn't make me wrong.


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 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

Anyway, I'm confused, doesn't the breaking of the fellowship happen at amon hen? I got the amon hen set a couple of years ago on mto. I'm confused as to why they have 2 sets representing events so close together?


Different poses - there's a ton of poses for many heroes and you can use what you prefer. Breaking of the Fellowship is just one of those vanity sets for those (of us) who love all the different sculpts and is no way required to play.
http://www.one-ring.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=15007

Many of the earlier "combo sets" (pre-2005) like, for example, Ambush at Amon Hen, were produced for specific scenarios that GW made for events depicted in the films as they were coming out.


Aye I understand that, it just seems so close. The breaking of the fellowship happened at amon hen. Seems odd to have 2 sets for the exact same event.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433797.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433797.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 queen_annes_revenge wrote:


Aye I understand that, it just seems so close. The breaking of the fellowship happened at amon hen. Seems odd to have 2 sets for the exact same event.


Ambush at Amon Hen includes Lurtz, metal Uruk scouts, Uruks capturing Merry and Pippin, a dying Boromir, because it's designed for a scenario and several of the models are effectively tokens.

Breaking of the Fellowship set is purely the Fellowship at this time and includes fighting poses for just the Fellowship (or running poses in the case of Frodo and Sam), and includes Gandalf at Khazad Dum (who, at that time, the previous metal Khazad-Dum model had been discontinued when the metal Balrog was replaced with the plastic balrog). It also includes a more accurate Aragorn with his cloak (the first Ambush had been sculpted using only photos provided by New Line, and a set photo of Viggo in the reference material did not have his cloak on)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433844.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433844.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433928.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433928.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433941.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433941.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 judgedoug wrote:
 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

Anyway, I'm confused, doesn't the breaking of the fellowship happen at amon hen? I got the amon hen set a couple of years ago on mto. I'm confused as to why they have 2 sets representing events so close together?


Different poses - there's a ton of poses for many heroes and you can use what you prefer. Breaking of the Fellowship is just one of those vanity sets for those (of us) who love all the different sculpts and is no way required to play.
http://www.one-ring.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=15007

Many of the earlier "combo sets" (pre-2005) like, for example, Ambush at Amon Hen, were produced for specific scenarios that GW made for events depicted in the films as they were coming out.


Back when GW wasn't fixated on everything on plastic when this sort of thing was trivial.


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 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

That doesn't make me wrong.


You saying "it is so because I say so!" doesn't make you right.

Increases odds of you being wrong though...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433985.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433985.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread I was looking for that Aragorn for my Rangers/Grey Company Army for a long time]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433995.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11433995.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
I noticed the new Battlehosts up on Miniature Market. They didn't sell out right away or anything, I'm sure interest is quite limited compared to a 40K product, but as long as GW keeps them out there they could really expand their audience for the game.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11434117.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11434117.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
I do believe the BoPF box and the new starter box is a great way to draw new players. If they change the box now and then and update the minis I can see it.

Sadly without the movies driving it it will be hard getting any new traction.

I doubt GW will every redo the old plastic kids. With the exception of character series and terrain I can't recall when the put out a plastic warriors box.

Even if they don't redo some of the old plastic that's fine, but please make some of the garbage finecast stuff plastic. Or even let Forgeworld do it.

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zombie_sky_diver wrote:
I'm not sure if Battlehosts boxes are the key to drawing new people in. I'm sure it helps for sure.

I do believe the BoPF box and the new starter box is a great way to draw new players. If they change the box now and then and update the minis I can see it.

Sadly without the movies driving it it will be hard getting any new traction.

I doubt GW will every redo the old plastic kids. With the exception of character series and terrain I can't recall when the put out a plastic warriors box.

Even if they don't redo some of the old plastic that's fine, but please make some of the garbage finecast stuff plastic. Or even let Forgeworld do it.



I haven't been following the show, so I don't know the timelines until they get to the Last Alliance era (if that is even the plan). But, in 2-3 years replacing the starter with a new Last Alliance themed one with redone plastics for that (aka the original plastics, must be some of the oldest GW ones still in production) I could see being a winner.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11434154.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11434154.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Agreed, I would love to see that.

The plastic Elrond spoiled, and the preview with him, give me hope. I also think that has a chance because the Men of Numenor are all metal and need plastics. The High Elf Spearmen are finecase. Those sprues are also terribly awkward because both Numenor and High Elves are on the same Sprue.

I do agree, it's possible and I'm holding out. If I can redo the battle of the Last Alliance in all plastic/FW I'll be happy. Plastic Sauron please??

If you watched the last Middle Earth life spoiler I feel like they hinted at a future Gil-galad. He will likely be FW but that's fine. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11434172.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11434172.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
zombie_sky_diver wrote:
I do agree, it's possible and I'm holding out. If I can redo the battle of the Last Alliance in all plastic/FW I'll be happy. Plastic Sauron please??

If you watched the last Middle Earth life spoiler I feel like they hinted at a future Gil-galad. He will likely be FW but that's fine.


I would put money down on plastic High Elves and Numenoreans, but I would not put money down on _when_. The GW ME team on Facebook and on various streams have come as close as one possibly can to confirming it without actually confirming it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11434208.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11434208.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11434225.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11434225.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
zombie_sky_diver wrote:
I'm not sure if Battlehosts boxes are the key to drawing new people in. I'm sure it helps for sure.


Pelennor Fields sold out the moment they were announced. GW putting focus on the game drives interest for sure.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11434334.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11434334.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 lord_blackfang wrote:
zombie_sky_diver wrote:
I'm not sure if Battlehosts boxes are the key to drawing new people in. I'm sure it helps for sure.

Pelennor Fields sold out the moment they were announced. GW putting focus on the game drives interest for sure.


The Battlehost boxes are a fantastic buy-in point for new players, especially for the price. They are hard to say no to, even if you don't really think you're going to play the game. They are also the only "true" 25mm "traditional" fantasy minis line I know of - no heroic scaling, the orcs and goblins and trolls and ogres look like real creatures and not cartoonish caricatures like GW minis, the armor and clothing look like things people would actually wear, etc. so I expect that the minis also see use in other games using model-agnostic rulesets when people are looking for a slightly more "realistic" aesthetic.

 frankelee wrote:
I dream of a day when all the people on dakkadakka who use the word subjective constantly are provided the chance to take an English class and a philosophy class, and finally learn what that word actually means. It is genuinely funny to see grown men keep doing this every time there's an argument over opinion.



sub·jec·tive
/səbˈjektiv/
adjective
adjective: subjective
1. based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions.
"his views are highly subjective"

2. dependent on the mind or on an individual's perception for its existence.

3.GRAMMAR
relating to or denoting a case of nouns and pronouns used for the subject of a sentence.

noun: GRAMMAR
noun: subjective
the subjective case.

Nobody here that I can find has used the term incorrectly, unless you forget that definition 1 exists and think the only uses of the word "subjective" are definition 2 and 3 (in which case *you* would be wrong).


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chaos0xomega wrote:
Nobody here that I can find has used the term incorrectly...


And that my friend is why you all continue to fail.

I guess the dictionary is not the language the same way the map is not the terrain. Not that it doesn't accurately define it the word, it very much does.
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 frankelee wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
Nobody here that I can find has used the term incorrectly...


And that my friend is why you all continue to fail.

I guess the dictionary is not the language the same way the map is not the terrain. Not that it doesn't accurately define it the word, it very much does.


Nah, you're just full of it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11435107.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11435107.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Neat profile for them tho.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11435115.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11435115.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 frankelee wrote:
And that my friend is why you all continue to fail.

I guess the dictionary is not the language the same way the map is not the terrain. Not that it doesn't accurately define it the word, it very much does.
What are you talking about? You've confused the hell outta me. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11435121.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11435121.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW!!!
When it was originally released it was probably $35-40. That was standard then. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11435309.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11435309.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11435316.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11435316.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11435371.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11435371.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
zombie_sky_diver wrote:
It's really disheartening the BotF is $90. What the hell GW!!!
When it was originally released it was probably $35-40. That was standard then.


Yeah it was $75 usd when it was on MTO in early 2019, so a 20% increase. Still cheaper than scalpers, but this also means after the MTO the scalpers have a new higher base price!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11435494.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11435494.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW says my BOTF I ordered on Friday has already shipped, they must’ve had some ready to go.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11438808.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11438808.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11438845.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11438845.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11438850.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11438850.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11438853.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11438853.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread

Guess I'm gonna be one of those people who gets there's at the end of the 180 days.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11438867.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11438867.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/10/09/sunday-preview-kill-team-expands-middle-earth-heroes-return-and-new-hobby-tools/?fbclid=IwAR0h4_b4jR8RC58nU5pBawKux_b5FG3zpp7qei12wNqe29bMWyt053eugSQ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11441231.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11441231.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11441319.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11441319.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
https://www.waylandgames.co.uk/middle-earth-strategy-battle-game/92724-middle-earth-strategy-battle-game-minas-tirith-battlehost?fbclid=IwAR2lMxewEBNVLJTvvgnnFvg-Uu_SfqF0bcQG49OiaX1YPzITxsPs3NcgGGk]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11450484.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11450484.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11455913.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11455913.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread Also of note is the resin, clear Ringbearers set coming back:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/12/04/sunday-preview-fight-for-the-fate-of-middle-earth-with-the-battle-of-osgiliath/?fbclid=IwAR2X_mndWEwZgG4942XLKf73t0YoIx67JNCVekeKG27QdJbRsUBGQTr92-c]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11462878.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11462878.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11462888.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11462888.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread FW.

Anyone remember how much they cost last time they went on sale? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11462953.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11462953.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11462955.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11462955.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW-Oz tax and probably take it up to $80+

Eh.... not excessive, but more then it should be. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11462980.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11462980.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW Webstore Exclusive ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11464739.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11464739.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread The invisible ring bearers are only $64AUD. Far less then I was expecting. It's a pain in the arse that FW shipping is $20. Which takes the prices exactly to what I expected it would be. Wonder if i've got enough in the slush fund at the moment to bump myself up to the free shipping threshold.



lord_blackfang wrote:Aaand those lovely Rohan and Isengard dice are GW Webstore Exclusive
How very odd that those two are direct and the others aren't. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11464784.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11464784.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/12/25/sunday-preview-secure-your-made-to-order-space-marines-right-now/?fbclid=IwAR2fm2eL5uoMKIH-2Wdv4wDfXzEgE_jOeRyEh5R6wczFZva-5N6Aw0UzQ0M]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11469967.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11469967.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Massive dick move to make them direct only.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11470051.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11470051.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/01/06/recreating-the-ruined-city-of-osgiliath-with-awesome-new-terrain/

Gondor Mansion




Gondor Tower




House looks great and, if I'm not mistaken, the stairs and walkway bridge the gaps (no pun intended) missing from the ruins to make proper multi-story terrain ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11474378.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11474378.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11474383.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11474383.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11474388.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11474388.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11474401.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11474401.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Kanluwen wrote:
The Gondor Tower will make an appearance in many dioramas, I think.


And given Middle Earth has a more accurate scale (is accurate the right word?) I can see these being pretty popular for other medieval fantasy games and that.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11474404.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11474404.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
The Gondor Tower will make an appearance in many dioramas, I think.


And given Middle Earth has a more accurate scale (is accurate the right word?) I can see these being pretty popular for other medieval fantasy games and that.


I think you mean proportions, not scale. The current technical lingo for e.g. 40k is ''28 mm scale with heroic proportions'', which means relatively oversized heads, hands and weapons.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11474408.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11474408.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11474418.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11474418.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
The Gondor Tower will make an appearance in many dioramas, I think.


And given Middle Earth has a more accurate scale (is accurate the right word?) I can see these being pretty popular for other medieval fantasy games and that.


At least if GW keeps their pretty reasonable pricing compared to their other terrain ranges.
These are definitely cool, I'll get them. Already have the old set and some mdf Osgiliath terrain. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11474485.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11474485.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11474502.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11474502.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Grumpy Gnome wrote:
I like those and can see those selling well with more than just the Middle Earth crowd.


They are certainly close enough to a lot of historical styles to be either used in historical skirmish or other fantasy ranges with no or minimal modifications.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11474510.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11474510.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11474520.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11474520.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11474538.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11474538.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Ohman wrote:
What do you think the odds are for that tower having interior detailing?


The Lake-town kit had some double sided detail and I think the Rohan kit had double sided detail on all major pieces, but those were mostly for variety's sake, rather than for the purpose of opening up the interiors.

Since the tower walls can't be flipped, and they haven't show any damage beyond the top level, I wouldn't get my hopes up for double sided detailing ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11474607.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11474607.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread One thing though, this should be bought as soon as it arrives. Dol Guldur terrain is marked as sold out, so I guess the same will follow this one as well. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11474612.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11474612.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11474618.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11474618.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11474748.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11474748.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11475020.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11475020.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread But it's fine for me, I love the cheap FW miniatures.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11475902.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11475902.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 His Master's Voice wrote:
The Lake-town kit had some double sided detail and I think the Rohan kit had double sided detail on all major pieces, but those were mostly for variety's sake, rather than for the purpose of opening up the interiors.


Indeed interiors won't match at all to exterior doors where outside doesn't have as well as windows etc. Better not pay attention to interior if you remove roof ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11475904.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11475904.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/01/20/made-to-order-returns-to-middle-earth-alongside-the-2023-hobby-bingo/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=middle-earth&utm_content=mesbgbingo20012023&fbclid=IwAR3mIuT2-2BPUl-XrdSZtLA1EQtiDRIHqgO1TnW1_78RS9e-__GMAq3owxY


A few standouts in the unarmoured Theoden, metal rangers and the original ringwraith on fellbeast and a couple of repeats.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11480767.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11480767.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread I am partial to those warg sculpts though so depending on the price, I might grab another set. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11480773.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11480773.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11480782.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11480782.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11480787.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11480787.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11480793.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11480793.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Very pleased with the fell beast coming back, especially with the new Osgiliath terrain. Costs permitting, I'd love to get an extra one for a vignette.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11480795.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11480795.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
They always tend to do that when a new release happens as it catches peoples interest in the classic sculpts. As an aside, the rangers are so superior to the plastics, they are a must for me.


I'm generally all for metal but those rangers are like a foot taller than everyone else. At least the plastics are more in scale.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11480815.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11480815.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11480819.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11480819.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11480821.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11480821.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11480830.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11480830.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Is the battering ram something that's worthwhile, play wise?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11480854.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11480854.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
And it's used for siege games. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11480879.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11480879.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
A new MTO for a new year:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/01/20/made-to-order-returns-to-middle-earth-alongside-the-2023-hobby-bingo/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=middle-earth&utm_content=mesbgbingo20012023&fbclid=IwAR3mIuT2-2BPUl-XrdSZtLA1EQtiDRIHqgO1TnW1_78RS9e-__GMAq3owxY


A few standouts in the unarmoured Theoden, metal rangers and the original ringwraith on fellbeast and a couple of repeats.


Going to be some hard choices for me when this one comes around. I'd manage to get quite a few of the helms deep ones, including doubles of that Éowyn from buying up 2nd hand collections. But I'm missing quite a few in the that set as a whole, but I'm not sure I really need them all (other than the FOMO kicking in)

I was also able to pick up that gandalf the white set new in blister for a really good price. So thats saved a little bit there!

But those felbeasts might ruin me. I've been wanting 9 total, I have 3 of the plastic ones already but the metal one has been escaping me on multiple occasions on 2nd hand pages. To have an easy way to pick several up at once is going to be hard to not to go a bit mad!

I will pick up the Gimli on Uruk-hai, as been kicking myself for not buying it since day one. Those wargs are going to be pretty hard not to grab too, as it would be nice for some variety to add to the plastic ones I have. I have been avoiding buying anything orc related, as at last count I had around 900 orcs to actually paint (I don't play the GW, I used the models for other mass battle games)

I can't decide if I want the Theoden model. I don't have this one and its a nice sculpt, but I do quite like the new one even and I have enough models to paint as it is without getting more variations on sculpts!

If this is going to all be done on one MTO, its a pretty sizeable one. Going to have to drop all other GW purchases this month to get most of this MTO. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11480895.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11480895.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11481072.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11481072.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11481210.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11481210.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread FAQs just dropped. Seems like very little has changed except for a minor nerf to the Spider Queen.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/02/03/the-middle-earth-strategy-battle-game-the-state-of-the-game/]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11487668.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11487668.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Fergie0044 wrote:
New FAQs just dropped. Seems like very little has changed except for a minor nerf to the Spider Queen.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/02/03/the-middle-earth-strategy-battle-game-the-state-of-the-game/


That's not a bad thing if you ask me, shows there aren't many outliers in the game and balance is overall okay. And I guess they shy away from points changes in that document which could help some underperforming units. Orc archers come to mind that probably haven't been seen outside of scenario play since the trackers dropped something like 13 years ago ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11487709.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11487709.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11487976.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11487976.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Fergie0044 wrote:
New FAQs just dropped. Seems like very little has changed except for a minor nerf to the Spider Queen.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/02/03/the-middle-earth-strategy-battle-game-the-state-of-the-game/

Shame they can't ever be bothered to revert the millstone around the neck of the Ithilien Ranger Legendary Legion.

Having to take Frodo, Sam, and Smeagol is annoying.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11487977.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11487977.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Ah well. WAAC's got to WAAC.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11487987.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11487987.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
tneva82 wrote:
Ah yes. Shock horror having actual price and not just get free bonus rules.

Ah well. WAAC's got to WAAC.


I love how WAAC used to mean "actively cheating and being a bad sport" and now it's just some smear scrubs throw out when anyone even vaguely complains about the balancing of the game. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11487989.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11487989.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
tneva82 wrote:
Ah yes. Shock horror having actual price and not just get free bonus rules.

You mean like being locked into Faramir as your leader?
Or that one of the "free bonus rules"(ignoring bow limit for Rangers in your warbands led by Faramir or his named Rangers) is literally just a faction perk for some others?

Ah well. WAAC's got to WAAC.

lol, sure thing bud.

Or maybe people who like a themed list like themed listing.

Also, for the record?
Theming it out, barebones, you're looking at 595 points if you run strictly Rangers.
15 with Faramir(85pts), 12 with Madril(55), 6 each with Damrod(25), Anborn(35), and Mablung(35) for a total of 45 Rangers(8pts each).
That's all you get to utilize to take advantage of that one "free bonus rule", the ignoring bow limit for Rangers in their warbands.

Assuming you go the route of the plastics? You're looking at 2 boxes, with a minimum of 16 Spear(+1 pt/model on Rangers) armed models bumping that list up to 611 points.

Frodo, Sam, and Smeagol add 160 pts, bumping you to 771pts and three heroes that can only be run as their own warband with no warriors accompanying it or in Faramir's taking the place of 3 Rangers.

Anything taken beyond this point is subject to bow limits and requires a generic Captain of Gondor to run more warbands--which is Perfectly Fine.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11487992.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11487992.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
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 Commitz wrote:
I know taking the hobbits is a tax but you can see why they did it when you can pack 45 bows in to 600 points.

It's a Legendary Legion, not a faction army list.
There's already a "tax" in that you're locked to a specific roster of units to choose from, specific heroes, and a specific leader. Literally once you hit that cap of 45 Rangers, you're not getting any more that ignore the bow limit as the five characters that give you that bonus have all done it.

Beyond that, any further warbands are led by Captains of Gondor and subject to the bow limits of the force.
Most other armies allow up to 50% bow limit if they have an allowance or all the models are mounted which comes with its own disadvantages.

Or it's a specific unit, since Mirkwood Rangers in the Halls of Thranduil army list are ignored for bow limits...
which is literally the perk that Faramir and his Ranger lieutenants grant only to the Rangers of Gondor in this list.

If they wanted to make a tax? Damrod and Madril are right there. Faramir, Damrod, and Madril have basically only been sold in a three pack as well making it a less onerous "tax" in the simple terms of model purchases that keeps theme intact.

The small trio are made a requirement for certain scenarios. That's a whole other kettle of fish as it's narrative requirements, not a generic requirement.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11488027.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11488027.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread I can see why they added the restriction.
If it's a problem you could probably just ask to play them pure in friendly games.

The difference with the wood elves is that the mirkwood rangers get some good rules, but they're also only defence 3, with no spear options and they cost 14 points so you'll barely even have half as many bows (although you would get legolas, who is amazing). ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11488039.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11488039.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread LL and is seen everywhere as a WAAC list that doesn't care about the enjoyment of the opponent at all. Everytime you see someone ask if Elrond + Knights is a good list you will get people responding with "It is very good but you will lose most of your friends if you play it much".

If they removed the little people tax from Rangers the entire lower point level meta will change again and you will hear the same reasoning about it as Elrond Knights. "Very good but unfun and no one will want to play against you"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11488044.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11488044.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Commitz wrote:
45 bows is more bows than you'll find in any other list in the game, and that's not even the limit. It's 50 with the characters too!

What part of "Legendary Legion" did you not get?


I can see why they added the restriction.

I can't. It's stupid. It's a Legendary Legion, supposed to be themed around the Rangers of Ithilien.

If they wanted to make it mandatory? Then Battle for Osgiliath should have included Frodo, Sam, and Smeagol in the same set as Faramir, Damrod, and Madril.

If it's a problem you could probably just ask to play them pure in friendly games.

Or they can FAQ it. Nowhere had I actually seen anybody talking about it outside of weird theorycrafted nonsense.

The difference with the wood elves is that the mirkwood rangers get some good rules, but they're also only defence 3,

But they're also Courage 6 rather than 3 with Knife Fighter, Elf Cloaks(Stalk Unseen, anyone?) and Woodland Creature(the other Legendary Legion perk for the Rangers of Gondor) baked in.
with no spear options

Kind of a big "so what?" given that you can still take Palace Guard, if you so choose.
and they cost 14 points so you'll barely even have half as many bows (although you would get legolas, who is amazing).

Legolas and Tauriel both are in that list, along with the option to just take a "generic" Hero of Fortitude Mirkwood Ranger Captain if you're desperate to squeeze out the numbers.

Those "45 Rangers of Gondor" are 360 points, in and of themselves, in a Legendary Legion that grants them two perks that Mirkwood Rangers just magically get period.
Assuming a rock-bottom target point value of 600 pts to keep parity with the list I posted for the Rangers of Ithilien Legendary Legion?

305 for Legolas and 15 Mirkwood Rangers
253 for Tauriel and 12 Mirkwood Rangers

Total of 558pts
Throw in 5 pts for Legolas' Elf Cloak, 10pts for Orcrist, 5 pts for an Elf Bow on Tauriel and you're up to 578.

That 578 gets you 27 Mirkwood Rangers plus Legolas and Tauriel, while still leaving the rest of the Halls of Thranduil faction's army list open to you.

Also, Elf Bows are S3 rather than 2.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11488050.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11488050.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread LL over spamming Mirkwood Rangers at 600 and like 17 more models at 500. That is a huge number of extra bodies. The ranger heroes also have bows and some extra abilities that help out being a shooty list (9 might, free might on shots for one of them, maelstrom protection, remove stalkunseen/elven cloaks aura) so they aren't outclassed by Legolas and Tauriel.

Most common mount defense is 4 and most common warrior defense is 6 so S3 over S2 doesn't matter much in quite a lot of matchups and even in those that have a lot of d3 and d5 having 60% more bows beat having +1S unless they only have odd defense values in the list. Most have some even defense.

Those Rangers also have more defense than Mirkwood Rangers and you need to kill a huge amount of rangers to break that list compared to the elves. Also 50% more might with Faramir and his gang.

Quite a few lists will just die in melee to the rangers when they reach them because they will be so outnumbered while the elves will struggle in 1vs1 with d3 and no possibility for supports while the opponent most likely will have it. You only get to use knife fighter when you have priority and get a favorable charge and with the low amount of might in elf lists that isn't easy.

Legendary Legions shouldn't be overpowered or boring to play against. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11488059.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11488059.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 blood reaper wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
Ah yes. Shock horror having actual price and not just get free bonus rules.

Ah well. WAAC's got to WAAC.


I love how WAAC used to mean "actively cheating and being a bad sport" and now it's just some smear scrubs throw out when anyone even vaguely complains about the balancing of the game.

Given Kan's later posts in here, are you still going to defend him/attack tneva?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11488072.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11488072.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Dysartes wrote:
 blood reaper wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
Ah yes. Shock horror having actual price and not just get free bonus rules.

Ah well. WAAC's got to WAAC.


I love how WAAC used to mean "actively cheating and being a bad sport" and now it's just some smear scrubs throw out when anyone even vaguely complains about the balancing of the game.

Given Kan's later posts in here, are you still going to defend him/attack tneva?


Yes, because he's not advocating actively cheating or being a bad sport.

Edit: My post was saying that it was wrong to apply the 'WAAC' label to anyone who is competitive or likes to minmax. There's nothing wrong with this (unless you have an insane scrub mentality). WAAC used to mean 'Person who actively cheats or uses underhanded means to win games'. Now because of the insane scrub-mentality culture all over the wargaming community, it means "bringing a strong list", or "actually trying to win".]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11488074.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11488074.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Dysartes wrote:

Given Kan's later posts in here, are you still going to defend him/attack tneva?

I showed the numbers, Dysartes, to highlight that there's an upper limit to how the Legendary Legion functions.

In exchange for losing Allies, losing a good chunk of the army list, and losing their army bonus they gain a specialized bonus with caveats.

In this case? Rangers in warbands led by Faramir(who, again, is a mandatory requirement for the LL and mandatory army leader), Anborn, Damrod, Madril, and Mablung do not count towards your bow limit. That caps you out at 595 pts without throwing Spears on some of the Rangers or Faramir on a horse or adding the hobbits.

A Battle level game starts at 600 points. You start just shy of a larger scale game, assuming you pack everyone to the gills with Ranger followers in the list. The high end bracket GW gives for that tier is 1000 points.

Why do I phrase it like this?
Because it's daft that a trio of heroes that are only included to let you if you so choose portray scenes from the film have become mandatory over some ridiculously hyperbolic doomsday scenario that won't likely ever happen in Matched Play.

They're not untargetable deathmachines. They're humans who get to have a bonus that some others get simply for being a faction(Halls of Thranduil and the Mirkwood Rangers) or a specific general(Elrond and Rivendell Knights) in exchange for completely losing their main army bonus, their ability to have allies, and being locked into five specific characters as the 'tax' to make use of said bonus.

Either the trio should be free and mandatory or they shouldn't be mandatory. It's that simple.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11488126.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11488126.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Take it to a different, non-news and rumour thread and stop gaking up this one. Thanks!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11488132.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11488132.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:
Ok, can we actually not, please?

Take it to a different, non-news and rumour thread and stop gaking up this one. Thanks!

Seconded, thirded, and possibly even fourthed. Take the arguments elsewhere, peeps. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11488178.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11488178.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread I endorse that idea. Take it to its own thread. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11488235.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11488235.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/02/05/sunday-preview-skirmish-games-reign-supreme/?utm_source=CUSTOMERS&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=WHP_5th_February_Preview_&utm_content=&utm_term=

Of course it comes the same week as the new Warcry box. A month of nothing and then it all comes at the same time ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11488426.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11488426.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread MESBG has got my considering whether I gamble on a 3rd. I do need that foot version of that Gandalf, as the one I have is other version where he's not standing on the rock, so getting it wouldn't be a total waste.

Hmmm. Guess it'll come down to how much it is $-wise.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11488608.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11488608.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/01/06/recreating-the-ruined-city-of-osgiliath-with-awesome-new-terrain/

It was previewed on WarCom on the 6th of January but hasn't gone up a month later, I'm curious if there's any pattern to their previews regarding release dates. I.e. usually X weeks/months after showing them off?

Cheers
Chris]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11488723.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11488723.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11488725.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11488725.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW anyways). The metal Fell Beast is the same price as the plastic one, which for some reason really surprises me. I might just have to pick one up. Not sure what else I need from this MTO though.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11491735.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11491735.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Nazgul is only a fiver more then the plastic version, and includes Frodo. The Warg Riders are the only ones with a price increase on last time, and they've gone up from $55AUD to $70. Guess I'll probably not grab another set for now. Might nab some rangers though instead.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11491758.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11491758.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW's other game systems.

I am picking up Gimli chills' and the 3 hobbits chilling by the fire.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11491827.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11491827.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/03/05/sunday-preview-vashtorr-besieges-the-rock/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sunday-preview&utm_content=sunday-preview&fbclid=IwAR132cqRKgtrBJKZeP1DcxNTf0Y9wB-NDMpgOmBEqwNJmMK4zmZdCxZNsG4

Surprised they didn't drop the tower and buildings at the same time.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11500453.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11500453.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11500469.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11500469.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11500499.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11500499.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread Gothmog is on my wishlist...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11500505.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11500505.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread MESBG are pretty tough. Standard Boxes going from 35€ to 40€ is an over 14% price increase. Didnt they say something about 6%?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11500978.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11500978.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
HeIlsing wrote:
Price rices on MESBG are pretty tough. Standard Boxes going from 35€ to 40€ is an over 14% price increase. Didnt they say something about 6%?


Average increase is 6%, with items actually going up 10-15% ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11500993.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11500993.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11501007.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11501007.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11501046.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11501046.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11501080.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11501080.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread FW was increased this time around it would have been fine. But they did like 10% on most resin and metal this year again so a lot of the range have had a 20-30% increase in just 2 years.

Funnily enough mesbg FW prices are increasing slower than the failcast prices so the new FW Glorfindel sits between models like Elessar and Bard in price. Most of the 2-3 character packs from FW is now less than 10% away in price from the equivalent failcast packs.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11501109.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11501109.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11501231.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11501231.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Johanxp wrote:
Last year, announced in February 2022. They now increase the prices once a year.


Ouch. That's not great for enouraging the game, especially with most of the models not being available most of the time.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11501337.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11501337.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread


https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/03/16/middle-earth-made-to-order-rangers-of-the-north-clash-with-mordor-orcs/]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11504843.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11504843.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11504847.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11504847.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread Depending on how much I've got in the slush fund at the time, I might grab another set of the orcs too. Absolutely charming models and excellent to paint. I'm also interested to see how much they ask for the witch-king. I managed to nab one for $75 dollars off a local fella about a year ago. I suspect it'll be the same price as the other metal nazgul from the last MtO.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11504850.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11504850.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11504851.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11504851.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread And while it's not a direct kit, you could certainly proxy the plastic rangers as the grey company/rangers of the north.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11504853.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11504853.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11504856.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11504856.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11504858.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11504858.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11504861.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11504861.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Don't they still sell plastic versions of quite a few of those?


Yeah, but the point of these is to give people a chance to get hold of alternative sculpts that they won't keep in stock because they have a current plastic kit.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11504880.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11504880.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Don't they still sell plastic versions of quite a few of those?


Yeah, but the point of these is to give people a chance to get hold of alternative sculpts that they won't keep in stock because they have a current plastic kit.


Also, the metal orcs still hold up 20 years later and are probably some of my favourite miniatures of all times. Their plastic counterparts... Not so much. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11504970.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11504970.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11504975.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11504975.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:
I suspect it'll be the same price as the other metal nazgul from the last MtO.

The last MtO was before the price increase.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11505017.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11505017.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11505066.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11505066.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Santtu wrote:The last MtO was before the price increase.
A fair point. We'll soon see how said price rise affects their MtO.

Baragash wrote:Does the plastic Cave Troll have the different weapon options?
Yep, certainly does.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11505079.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11505079.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW previewed a few weeks (Months?) ago is going to come out? That tower in particular was really nice looking. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11506024.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11506024.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW yes, outside GW no]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11506069.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11506069.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread

Maybe Halbarad, though I do already have one of the other version somewhere in a box...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11506281.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11506281.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/03/26/sunday-preview-house-cawdor-enter-the-necromundan-civil-war-on-majestic-legs-of-iron/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sunday-preview&utm_content=sundayp26032023]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11509707.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11509707.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11509708.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11509708.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread yeah the link goes up on Twitter before the main site so I check there instead.

Prices will determine how many kits I get as these are generic enough to work with a lot of settings.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11509711.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11509711.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11509713.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11509713.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11509715.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11509715.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
I was really hoping for a box deal like the Rohan terrain and Dol Guldor set. Its very doubtful, but there's still hope. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11509750.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11509750.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
zombie_sky_diver wrote:
The community page is not clear if these buildings are sold separate or a box deal.

I was really hoping for a box deal like the Rohan terrain and Dol Guldor set. Its very doubtful, but there's still hope.


The YouTube video shows each to have its own box packaging.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11509776.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11509776.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
zombie_sky_diver wrote:
The community page is not clear if these buildings are sold separate or a box deal.

I was really hoping for a box deal like the Rohan terrain and Dol Guldor set. Its very doubtful, but there's still hope.


I'm sure they'll do a big box of them at some point, the other terrain pieces weren't initially sold that way.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11509777.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11509777.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Commitz wrote:
zombie_sky_diver wrote:
The community page is not clear if these buildings are sold separate or a box deal.

I was really hoping for a box deal like the Rohan terrain and Dol Guldor set. Its very doubtful, but there's still hope.


I'm sure they'll do a big box of them at some point, the other terrain pieces weren't initially sold that way.


My recollection is that the Rohan Stronghold came out first and then the individual boxes came out a few months later. That would have been preferable here.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11509848.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11509848.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Dif they dont do the bundle deal, depending on the price, I might just hold out and see if it comes at a later date.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11509893.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11509893.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
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 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Thanks Dave. Was actually expecting around 50 for the tower, so that's a nice surprise. Two towers it is then.

That seems oddly appropriate, when you think about it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11510056.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11510056.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/03/31/how-to-make-the-most-of-the-gondor-terrain-for-the-middle-earth-strategy-battle-game/]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11512363.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11512363.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Mr. Dranfield, please come back to 40k. I mean these are cool and all, but they have no modularity. We need your engineered excellence back in 40k!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11512372.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11512372.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11512374.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11512374.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Holy crap that stuff is cleverly designed.

Mr. Dranfield, please come back to 40k. I mean these are cool and all, but they have no modularity. We need your engineered excellence back in 40k!


He can stay where he is thank you very much. 40K already gets the lions share of stuff.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11512376.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11512376.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11512379.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11512379.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11512387.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11512387.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11512422.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11512422.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11512439.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11512439.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Australian prices:

Settlement $418 (1x Mansion, 1x Tower and 2x Ruins)
Mansion $140
Tower $110
Ruins $84 (same as the old Osgiliath Ruins)

Like most GW prices these days they're beyond my (very modest) budget range, especially in multiples, which is a shame as they look like amazing kits.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11512674.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11512674.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11512754.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11512754.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 DaveC wrote:
The terrain is even more versatile than it first looks - roofs in particular

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/03/31/how-to-make-the-most-of-the-gondor-terrain-for-the-middle-earth-strategy-battle-game/


That is stunning.

I feel like GW missed a trick by not putting these pictures or at least a link to this from the store page.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11512880.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11512880.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread Too bad, because they are wonderfully designed. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11512904.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11512904.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW sprues and they strike me as a little small, even compared to the older ruins of osgiliath kit which hit the sweet spot and worked great for 28-32mm scale as well as LotR.

And the 3d printed stuff typically has a detailed playable detailed interior, magnetized or clip-connected pieces to take them apart, remove ceilings etc, whereas the GW tower is a simple hollow shell.

Don't have to spend ages clipping off sprue, mould line removal, assembly etc. either.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11512945.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11512945.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11512962.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11512962.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/04/02/sunday-preview-death-conquers-the-mortal-realms/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sunday-preview&utm_content=sundaypreview02042023&fbclid=IwAR1YgLzC9JtM94Y8NqqgB58ntVHyLfpZuh5_lOMAl-vN4PY1xU35eP9ORmI

Yeah, i think it will be a few Grey Company for me. For collectors sake.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11513254.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11513254.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11513260.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11513260.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11513274.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11513274.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11513277.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11513277.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
jullevi wrote:
I am tempted to pick Witch-king on Fell Beast but I haven't even received the previous Fell Beast yet...


Same here, this is the longest I've ever waited for a made to order. The fell beast was only £40, even if the witch king version is £50 its a good price and given It's a different pose and the only fell beast I don't have will definitely pick one up. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11513315.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11513315.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11515786.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11515786.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
So it's whether you really want them or not. Alterantively, because they're all unique compared to the plastics, you could treat every one of them as a captain. And you'll never need another captain model again.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11515802.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11515802.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Bought the cave troll I wanted second hand for cheaper. The metal orc archers are too expensive as well.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11515916.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11515916.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11515976.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11515976.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11516005.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11516005.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11516042.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11516042.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Holy crap that stuff is cleverly designed.

Mr. Dranfield, please come back to 40k. I mean these are cool and all, but they have no modularity. We need your engineered excellence back in 40k!


Meh. Kinda disagree. Sure the main panels can join at about 17 different angles, but each one requires a unique capping piece to plug the ensuing gaps. No matter what you do you'll have a bag of useless plugs at the end and you probably still won't be able to do as many of a particular join type as you want because each cap comes in a finite quantity.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11516059.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11516059.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11516092.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11516092.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 lord_blackfang wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Holy crap that stuff is cleverly designed.

Mr. Dranfield, please come back to 40k. I mean these are cool and all, but they have no modularity. We need your engineered excellence back in 40k!


Meh. Kinda disagree. Sure the main panels can join at about 17 different angles, but each one requires a unique capping piece to plug the ensuing gaps. No matter what you do you'll have a bag of useless plugs at the end and you probably still won't be able to do as many of a particular join type as you want because each cap comes in a finite quantity.


They are very nicely designed and offer more variety in build options than anything barring scratchbuilding. There's only so much you can do to make something modular unless you turn it into some sort of brick-building system. Only stickler for me is that they cost a ton for the amount of terrain you'd want to really get the creative juices flowing so I'm sticking with my osgiliath ruins.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11516112.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11516112.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/04/13/middle-earth-faction-focus-isengard/]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11517925.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11517925.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11517934.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11517934.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11518434.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11518434.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Johanxp wrote:
Bah, I was waiting for Easterling's drakes...


I hope I'm wrong but I have a gut feeling we will never see models for them. It wouldn't be the first time for the Middle Earth range.

If they planned on models for them we would have seen them by now I'm sure. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11519299.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11519299.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11519301.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11519301.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
zombie_sky_diver wrote:
Johanxp wrote:
Bah, I was waiting for Easterling's drakes...


I hope I'm wrong but I have a gut feeling we will never see models for them. It wouldn't be the first time for the Middle Earth range.

If they planned on models for them we would have seen them by now I'm sure.


Nah, if true we would never have seen Quickbeam for example.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11519732.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11519732.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11521673.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11521673.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Johanxp wrote:
zombie_sky_diver wrote:
Johanxp wrote:
Bah, I was waiting for Easterling's drakes...


I hope I'm wrong but I have a gut feeling we will never see models for them. It wouldn't be the first time for the Middle Earth range.

If they planned on models for them we would have seen them by now I'm sure.


Nah, if true we would never have seen Quickbeam for example.


If I recall correctly, there are few things that got rules but never got models (so far), Azog's tower and the Catapult troll come to mind. Anything else? (And I'm talking current version of the game, don't start old "Legions of middle earth" talks. )]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11521733.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11521733.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
The other named Ent is without a model.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11521744.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11521744.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
My gut tells me Warhammer Fest will have something to do with the Elves. We last seen Glorfindel and Eldrond. The last video they did they spoke of Gilgalad almost as if it was already know. But just speculation. It wouldn't surprise me if they finally got to the Last Alliance Era considering the Rings of Power so. Yes, no relation, but why wouldn't GW try to piggy back off it. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11521888.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11521888.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11523002.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11523002.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11523415.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11523415.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11523509.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11523509.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
But then they redid Elrond in glorious plastic and heavily hinted that Gil-galad was on his way. So maybe we'll see more Last Alliance stuff. Either way, Elves would seem a safe bet.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11523542.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11523542.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Johanxp wrote:
Scenery preorder next week.


What scenery?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11523551.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11523551.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 CptJake wrote:
Johanxp wrote:
Scenery preorder next week.


What scenery?

The statue head from Amon Hen.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11523576.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11523576.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11523630.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11523630.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
"Get of the Road" diorama.



Fantastic diorama, and I think one of the more iconic scenes from the first movie.
It looked great in the stream, which the quality of wasn't great, but on a closer inspection with high res pics, i'm less impressed then I initially was.
The hobbit faces are really off. They've been able to sculpt brilliant faces in the past that match to the actors near perfectly. But Frodo here looks positively corpse-like and Merry is quite gaunt and not at all his round faced self. Admittedly a lot of that could come down to the paint job.
Something to me is just off about the wraiths horse though. Maybe it's the colour disconnect around the head just doesn't work for me. I dunno. I'll reserve final judgement once I see other paints do their own renditions.


So much for my predictions about Last Alliance elves and another supplement! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11525353.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11525353.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:
Porting this over here for people who didn't catch it.

"Get of the Road" diorama.



Fantastic diorama, and I think one of the more iconic scenes from the first movie.
It looked great in the stream, which the quality of wasn't great, but on a closer inspection with high res pics, i'm less impressed then I initially was.
The hobbit faces are really off. They've been able to sculpt brilliant faces in the past that match to the actors near perfectly. But Frodo here looks positively corpse-like and Merry is quite gaunt and not at all his round faced self. Admittedly a lot of that could come down to the paint job.
Something to me is just off about the wraiths horse though. Maybe it's the colour disconnect around the head just doesn't work for me. I dunno. I'll reserve final judgement once I see other paints do their own renditions.


So much for my predictions about Last Alliance elves and another supplement!


I think it's a cool idea for a diorama overall, and I don't outright dislike it, but something really seems off about several parts of it. The Hobbit faces aren't great but that's something that does vary, but both the horse and the tree just don't look right for some reason. It could just be the paint scheme but it gives me a sort of "hyperealistic uncanny valley" feel rather than looking natural. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11525358.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11525358.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread LotR on the schedule. "We're here to tell you we can't tell you anything" somehow managed to be worse than nothing.

 Snrub wrote:

Something to me is just off about the wraiths horse though.


Well, it's brown, when it should be black, or near black.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11525363.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11525363.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Mentlegen324 wrote:
 Snrub wrote:
Porting this over here for people who didn't catch it.

"Get of the Road" diorama.



Fantastic diorama, and I think one of the more iconic scenes from the first movie.
It looked great in the stream, which the quality of wasn't great, but on a closer inspection with high res pics, i'm less impressed then I initially was.
The hobbit faces are really off. They've been able to sculpt brilliant faces in the past that match to the actors near perfectly. But Frodo here looks positively corpse-like and Merry is quite gaunt and not at all his round faced self. Admittedly a lot of that could come down to the paint job.
Something to me is just off about the wraiths horse though. Maybe it's the colour disconnect around the head just doesn't work for me. I dunno. I'll reserve final judgement once I see other paints do their own renditions.


So much for my predictions about Last Alliance elves and another supplement!


I think it's a cool idea for a diorama overall, and I don't outright dislike it, but something really seems off about several parts of it. The Hobbit faces aren't great but that's something that does vary, but both the horse and the tree just don't look right for some reason. It could just be the paint scheme but it gives me a sort of "hyperealistic uncanny valley" feel rather than looking natural.


IMHO it hits that look because unlike in the movie scene, there's no unifiying lighting of the whole scene that blends the stark contrast between the dead tree and the bright green ferns and plants into a more muted, consistent colour palette. Basically, you can see that it was painted part by part and is not one, unified scene but just a random jumble of disjunct things.




In the first picture, you can see that there is effectively some 'patina' covering the whole shot that makes it all blend; the second shot is somehow digitally upscaled and re-brightened for 4k, and you can see that it starts to go in the same 'uncanny valley' direction because it just seems a bit unnatural because the brights are to bright to look realistic.

Another problem with the diorama is that its lighting seems inconsistent, because the tree is highlighted normally, but the hobbits look like they have a light source straight in front of them due to the background being dark-ish and their colours all being pretty bright in contrast. This gives the overall model a confusing look, as if there were two bright light sources, one normal and one spot-lighting the hobbits, which messes with your depth perception etc.
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Hopefully the hobbit faces are again just a matter of the paintjob

I've been finding that Forge World just can't seem to sculpt horses properly. Someone on the team definitely can (Asfaloth), but by and large their attempts just come across as too bulbous and cartoony. It's particularly jarring here because it throws off the lanky and withered concept of the ringwraiths

As much as I love the classic Middle-Earth vignettes, I'm not sure they're up to it anymore. What's acceptable for tabletop gaming pieces, even at a premium, becomes much harder to tolerate on explicit display pieces with the sole purpose of looking good.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11525372.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11525372.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Tsagualsa wrote:
 Mentlegen324 wrote:
 Snrub wrote:
Porting this over here for people who didn't catch it.

"Get of the Road" diorama.



Fantastic diorama, and I think one of the more iconic scenes from the first movie.
It looked great in the stream, which the quality of wasn't great, but on a closer inspection with high res pics, i'm less impressed then I initially was.
The hobbit faces are really off. They've been able to sculpt brilliant faces in the past that match to the actors near perfectly. But Frodo here looks positively corpse-like and Merry is quite gaunt and not at all his round faced self. Admittedly a lot of that could come down to the paint job.
Something to me is just off about the wraiths horse though. Maybe it's the colour disconnect around the head just doesn't work for me. I dunno. I'll reserve final judgement once I see other paints do their own renditions.


So much for my predictions about Last Alliance elves and another supplement!


I think it's a cool idea for a diorama overall, and I don't outright dislike it, but something really seems off about several parts of it. The Hobbit faces aren't great but that's something that does vary, but both the horse and the tree just don't look right for some reason. It could just be the paint scheme but it gives me a sort of "hyperealistic uncanny valley" feel rather than looking natural.


IMHO it hits that look because unlike in the movie scene, there's no unifiying lighting of the whole scene that blends the stark contrast between the dead tree and the bright green ferns and plants into a more muted, consistent colour palette. Basically, you can see that it was painted part by part and is not one, unified scene but just a random jumble of disjunct things.




In the first picture, you can see that there is effectively some 'patina' covering the whole shot that makes it all blend; the second shot is somehow digitally upscaled and re-brightened for 4k, and you can see that it starts to go in the same 'uncanny valley' direction because it just seems a bit unnatural because the brights are to bright to look realistic.

Another problem with the diorama is that its lighting seems inconsistent, because the tree is highlighted normally, but the hobbits look like they have a light source straight in front of them due to the background being dark-ish and their colours all being pretty bright in contrast. This gives the overall model a confusing look, as if there were two bright light sources, one normal and one spot-lighting the hobbits, which messes with your depth perception etc.


It think it's that combined with the level of detail. Like with the tree you can see all those different sections of its bark in a way that makes it seem somewhat unnatural because of how apparent it all is as not being one thing, unlike the actual scene where it blends together and gives the expected apperance of a tree. Similar thing with the horses mane, it stands out too much and doesn't blend in so comes across as over-detailed in a way. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11525381.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11525381.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11525408.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11525408.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
I don't begrudge its existence for anyone who is minded to pick it up, but was hoping for something related to the actual game.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11525432.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11525432.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
from the MESB lead on facebook

Rob Alderman

In the post-Covid World, nothing quite lands when you intended it to. This wonderful piece has been in development for quite some time (in fact, it began before Covid was even a whispered rumour). Huge kudos to Brian for playing a pivotal part in the team of getting it over the line. At least 4 miniature designers had hands on this project, but most of what you see here is by his fair hand.

It's incredibly detailed, crazily true to the source material (of course, with details scaled appropriately to punch out at this scale) and what's more, the wraith comes on a 40mm base that slots into the display base, so you can use it in games.

The horse bridles that Weta designed are *insanely* complicated, we spent hours trying to dissect them and also realised that every single wraith's horse has a slightly different tack, layers of armour, bits of chains, etc, so we really had to make sure this was the one from this scene in the movie. Absolute madness!

An amazing group effort from all involved and a pleasure to work on.
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The horse's hair looks a bit thick though, like it was bred on the same place the 30k Space Wolves get their fur from.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11525551.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11525551.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread FW prices.

I think it would've looked much better if the tree weren't cut off so low. It should extend a bit past the Ringwraith's head so that it acts like a frame.

Also Frodo and the Ringwraith are modelled on different moments in the scene. Like I appreciate them fussing over the details of the horse's tack, but then at the same time they're fudging what the characters are doing.

Could've solved both problems by having the Ringwraith dismounted and looming directly over the Hobbits.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11525586.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11525586.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
And as a gamer it has zero value to me. 0/10]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11525609.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11525609.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11525656.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11525656.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 ZergSmasher wrote:
That...that's it? All we get is a diorama nobody wanted and feth all else?

Just another push to find decent STLs and a 3d printer for me.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11526935.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11526935.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/searchResults?N=250394657+759006339]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11562419.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11562419.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11562425.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11562425.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
https://jobs.games-workshop.com/search-and-apply/resin-designer-middle-earth]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11562793.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11562793.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread FAQ is up:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/08/03/middle-earth-strategy-battle-game-designers-commentary/

Unsurprisingly, Assault on Lothlorien and Master of Laketown got worked on, for the better i think.

Interestingly, "In the Way" got a bit of a rework, which is surprising after all this time. But i do like the change.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11575093.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11575093.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread LL didn't get a look in. Maybe its not as oppressive as I've heard? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11575113.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11575113.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread I do think the Dragon Emperor LL is/was not as powerful as AOL or Isengard LL.
Curious to see how the meta will evolve.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11575231.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11575231.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread LL to not mandate Gollum, Sam, and Frodo.

Or at the very least, they should have made it a requirement that the Faramir and Friends box included them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11575232.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11575232.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Lol at try-hards just wanting free bonuses]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11575394.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11575394.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Kanluwen wrote:
Still salty that they haven't fixed the Rangers of Ithilien LL to not mandate Gollum, Sam, and Frodo.

Or at the very least, they should have made it a requirement that the Faramir and Friends box included them.


The original version of the legion didn't mandate them and was incredibly overpowered at games below around 700pts. There's method in the madness]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11575423.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11575423.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
tneva82 wrote:
Ah yes. The narrative formation of specific moment not include people in that time.

Lol at try-hards just wanting free bonuses

The Rangers were operating how long without their prisoners?


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Bobug wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Still salty that they haven't fixed the Rangers of Ithilien LL to not mandate Gollum, Sam, and Frodo.

Or at the very least, they should have made it a requirement that the Faramir and Friends box included them.


The original version of the legion didn't mandate them and was incredibly overpowered at games below around 700pts. There's method in the madness

Then when Faramir and Friends came out, they should have been included in the box.

End of discussion. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11575464.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11575464.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Fergie0044 wrote:
Good changes all round I say. Surprised the Dragon Emperor LL didn't get a look in. Maybe its not as oppressive as I've heard?


I think the Dragon Emps not getting touched was quite an oversight. It's not as obnoxious as some laketown soups, but it's very good. He could use a points bump at least considering the utility he delivers, his fight bubble is huge, and the legion can put down a very silly number of fight 5, defence 6 bodies at 800 points.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11575488.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11575488.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Bobug wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Still salty that they haven't fixed the Rangers of Ithilien LL to not mandate Gollum, Sam, and Frodo.

Or at the very least, they should have made it a requirement that the Faramir and Friends box included them.


The original version of the legion didn't mandate them and was incredibly overpowered at games below around 700pts. There's method in the madness


And based on what I've read, since they are included they aren't seen competitively any more. 'Method' only if you count the term over correction. Which given its GW, we probably should by now.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11575575.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11575575.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/08/06/sunday-preview-celebrate-middle-earth-with-a-made-to-order-diorama/

Soon available to order the new diorama.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11576306.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11576306.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11576308.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11576308.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11576310.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11576310.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread lotr this year is MTO only?
Something seems to be going on. Maybe the whole MESBG staff has been relocated to Legions or something. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11576424.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11576424.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Sgt. Cortez wrote:
That's strange. The announcement was already quite mysterious ("we can't tell you more right now") and now the only miniature for lotr this year is MTO only?
Something seems to be going on. Maybe the whole MESBG staff has been relocated to Legions or something.


GW had to manage right with Embracer group. They are indeed working on new stuff (they recently announced they are looking for a 3d sculptor specifically for ME:SBG).
Surely their major efforts are now on Legions Imperialis and Tow (other GW games like Necromunda have received low support in the last months) but I am quite sure we'll see something new in the near future.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11576478.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11576478.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11576537.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11576537.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Dawnbringer wrote:


And based on what I've read, since they are included they aren't seen competitively any more. 'Method' only if you count the term over correction. Which given its GW, we probably should by now.


GW? You mean Jay Clare. He's active (along with the rest of the Middle-earth team) on Facebook and actively participates in the Middle-earth competitive scene, so you can talk to him directly.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11576624.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11576624.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Dawnbringer wrote:
Bobug wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Still salty that they haven't fixed the Rangers of Ithilien LL to not mandate Gollum, Sam, and Frodo.

Or at the very least, they should have made it a requirement that the Faramir and Friends box included them.


The original version of the legion didn't mandate them and was incredibly overpowered at games below around 700pts. There's method in the madness


And based on what I've read, since they are included they aren't seen competitively any more. 'Method' only if you count the term over correction. Which given its GW, we probably should by now.


Is it really an over correction though? It wasn't like you couldn't build lists to win against it pre nerf but the least interesting and least fun armies to play is against pure shooting armies. Even if that LL was just a bit worse but still good enough to seriously compete at events it wouldn't be fun to play against. I think they nerfed it for the fun of the game as much as for balance reasons and thus they corrected it the right amount.

Even though I don't agree with all the decisions the mesbg team does and I have plenty of stuff to complain about in how they do their FAQ/Errata I think they have a very good approach to any nerfs they have made so far. They dont just focus on how powerful or balanced stuff is but also about theme and I suspect a bit about fun as well. It isn't like the rangers of ithilien LL is unplayable. There are many armies and LLs that are worse than it so even though it probably won't win any larger events you can still play them just fine at local tournaments and in normal games. We have one guy at our club that plays them regularly as they are and he isn't performing better or worse with that LL than he does with Minas Tirith in general.

I do think they could do just as Kanluwen wanted and remove the restriction on Gollum, Sam and Frodo if they also removed the bonus that rangers can ignore bow limit so they are forced to use non archer warriors in the list as well or had them pay an extra 2pts a model for the benefit of ignoring bow limit. Anyone who wants back the previous version just as it were and sees no problem with it is most likely a WAAC player and/or someone who even though they might not care about winning they care even less about the other player having a good time. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11576724.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11576724.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
In an ideal world, the restriction on Frodo, Sam, and Gollum would be removed and replaced with the two FW Ranger characters(who they always seem to forget exist) if there's a requirement of a "points tax".]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11576729.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11576729.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Kanluwen wrote:
If you removed the "ignore bow limit", you defeat the purpose of the Legendary Legion...

In an ideal world, the restriction on Frodo, Sam, and Gollum would be removed and replaced with the two FW Ranger characters(who they always seem to forget exist) if there's a requirement of a "points tax".


This shows you don't really know what you are talking about. The two FW ranger's are included in the Faramir rangers LL update that came with the profile for those two rangers. They are also not a "points tax" but a reason the Legendary Legion is so damn oppressive since it gives them an additional 2 heroes with bows and 12 more ranger slots that don't care about bow limits. It also gives them stalk unseen and removes stalk unseen from enemies if anyone would ever try to use woses, wood elves or mirkwood rangers to try to combat that broken Legendary Legion.

If the purpose is to be all bows then it needs a big fat downside to balance it out. A purpose isn't reason enough to be over powered and oppressive.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11576731.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11576731.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread Serious question: can someone explain to me why that Orc list isn't considered an issue if Faramir's Rangers is?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11582554.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11582554.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Aside from the fact that 3 of it's 4 captains are magic users (is 3 shamans OP?), it doesn't seem to lean heavily into any one thing and if I'm honest seems reasonably balanced as far as it's individual elements go (again to someone who hasn't played in a long time). What about it is troublesome?
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 Snrub wrote:
I ask this as someone who hasn't played the game in a long time so I've likely missed the nuance of the linked list, but can you tell me why the Orc list is an issue?

Aside from the fact that 3 of it's 4 captains are magic users (is 3 shamans OP?), it doesn't seem to lean heavily into any one thing and if I'm honest seems reasonably balanced as far as it's individual elements go (again to someone who hasn't played in a long time). What about it is troublesome?


It forces the game to play in the night fighting rules and goblins see in the dark, dramatically boosting their shooting and hard nerfing everyone else's

This is on top of goblins being just really easy to spam and they get quite good magic on top of the good magic from muzgur

Also bat swarms are super tricky and strong.

Like a moria beast list was already quite good.


Note that spammy lists tend to be the better lists in the game and have to face nerfs regularly to rein them in]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11582723.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11582723.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Kanluwen wrote:
Serious question: can someone explain to me why that Orc list isn't considered an issue if Faramir's Rangers is?


You mean the list that was recently nerfed right before this event and this is the nerfed list? AoL only placed well in the Masters event with 18 players and Kylie who won with it is publicly known as one of the best players in the world. In the open event with over 170 players AoL didn't even reach top 20 if I recall correctly (it was outside of the top 10). I ended up in third place and played against mostly players that ended up in the top 10 (1st & 4th-6th placings) and didn't see any AoL on those tables and no one there really talked about AoL. Some people were surprised Dragon Host didn't get a nerf though. AoL isn't really seen as a problem after the nerf.

Assault on Lothlorien can be harsh to face but even if they spam bows they are still only 1/3 bows rather than 100% on M5 models that hit on 5+(instead of 3+ like rangers) on 18" range (rather than 24" from rangers) and are also really bad in melee with F2 and D3 vs F4 and D4 on the rangers. It is a strong list but that is because how they combine lots of multiple profiles and use beasts with magic. Original Faramir's is just 100% bows and either you survive the bows and crush them or you get wiped out from way too many bows. One list is tough but at least interesting and one list is just the most boring list you can imagine to play against.

I stand firm in my opinion that anyone who thinks GW should go back to the buffed(the 2 additional Ranger Heroes Kanluwen didn't even know were allowed in the Legion) and pre nerfed Faramir's Rangers list is someone not worth listening to because they apparently only cares about their own enjoyment of the game and have 0 regards for anyone else in the community.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11582764.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11582764.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Klickor wrote:

I stand firm in my opinion that anyone who thinks GW should go back to the buffed(the 2 additional Ranger Heroes Kanluwen didn't even know were allowed in the Legion)

...lol?
Kanluwen wrote:If you removed the "ignore bow limit", you defeat the purpose of the Legendary Legion...

In an ideal world, the restriction on Frodo, Sam, and Gollum would be removed and replaced with the two FW Ranger characters(who they always seem to forget exist) if there's a requirement of a "points tax".

Yes, because that definitely seems like someone who is unaware of being allowed in the Legendary Legion and not someone suggesting that they replace the weird mandatory caveat on Frodo, Sam, and Gollum with the two FW Ranger characters becoming mandatory?

I'm not sure if it's a language thing(your flag is showing as Norway), but for the record:
My suggestion had nothing to do with "adding" Anborn and Mablung to the list. I know they're there. I have them.

My suggestion was to replace the mandatory Frodo, Sam, and Gollum with making them mandatory. Hell, they could even make them mandatory in joining Faramir or Madril's groups.

There's a lot of ways to go which wouldn't simply be mandating the three characters that are literally meant to be optional so you can represent some of the scenes from the film.
and pre nerfed Faramir's Rangers list is someone not worth listening to because they apparently only cares about their own enjoyment of the game and have 0 regards for anyone else in the community.

Or maybe it's someone who doesn't understand why there's such a hate-on for Faramir's. It's not like they're the only bow heavy list, right?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11582771.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11582771.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
A point tax is to take something worse to lower the power of a list. None of the ranger heroes are a point tax in faramirs rangers except on very low points. They allow that list to be oppressive in an even larger point span thanks to the extra ranger heroes.

"Maybe we should nerf the Dragon Host by forcing all 18 warriors in the Dragon Emperor's warband be Black Dragons and have one of them also be a cavalry model with a drum! That sounds like the perfect point tax to tackle DE being underpriced!!" "Or maybe we should nerf the Witch King by FORCING him to take 3 might and Crown of Morgul every game, thus wasting points even if they are the best upgrades for him 100% of the time. Cause now players are forced into a point tax the model is nerfed!" What stupid logic is this?

They were the most extreme bow heavy list in the game and still are, but thankfully they have been nerfed so not oppressive. You can't get that many bows with any other list in the game. Maybe pure moria goblin or shire lists can get close but those are way worse bows on way worse models. Most actual bow heavy lists have about half the number of bows than what Faramir's Rangers still can field.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11582778.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11582778.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread LL such a problem was the fact that it was bringing so many accurate bows to the table in a game that isn't designed for this level of shooting superiority.

When the opponent's experience is watching as they get 40k Tau'd off the board as they push their models towards a standing (or worse: retreating) gunline just makes for a negative play experience while also being quite oppressive.

The Rangers still do work with the hobbit tax, as a ringbearer is a valuable tool to pair with Faramir, but they have been toned down in a way that prevents them from abusing lower-point brackets where you can't bring a lot of answers to shooting and where each death to shooting weighs even more on the boardstate.

---- Back to current events:

The Assault on Lothlorien LL has a similar issue with shooting superiority, but that is one strength of many behind the AOL list. It's been slightly nerfed, but still seems quite strong.

The changes in this FAQ overall are good. The Heroic Defense change is interesting to say the least, but Strength 4 is common enough that models like the Bears are still taking nat 6s anyways.

Interesting that the DE LL didn't get hit with anything, but time will tell how the other three lists getting hit will influence the next round of adjustments.

RIP: Razgush breaking the rules.
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Klickor wrote:
But how are the 2 extra ranger heroes that buff all your rangers and allows you to take even more rangers a "point tax" when the first thing you should do is start with them in the list? I thought you didn't know they were allowed in the list since you said they should be a point tax and that they somehow were forgotten. They are part of the actual problem with the list so they can't be a solution to the list and if they were forgotten it would have been better.

Sure they can.

A point tax is to take something worse to lower the power of a list. None of the ranger heroes are a point tax in faramirs rangers except on very low points. They allow that list to be oppressive in an even larger point span thanks to the extra ranger heroes.

A point tax can be a lot of things.

"Maybe we should nerf the Dragon Host by forcing all 18 warriors in the Dragon Emperor's warband be Black Dragons and have one of them also be a cavalry model with a drum! That sounds like the perfect point tax to tackle DE being underpriced!!" "Or maybe we should nerf the Witch King by FORCING him to take 3 might and Crown of Morgul every game, thus wasting points even if they are the best upgrades for him 100% of the time. Cause now players are forced into a point tax the model is nerfed!" What stupid logic is this?

Probably the same stupid logic that turns the three models that are printed IN TWO SEPARATE ITERATIONS OF THE LEGENDARY LEGION as "optional, but if taken can't lead anyone" then forced into being mandatory?


They were the most extreme bow heavy list in the game and still are, but thankfully they have been nerfed so not oppressive. You can't get that many bows with any other list in the game. Maybe pure moria goblin or shire lists can get close but those are way worse bows on way worse models. Most actual bow heavy lists have about half the number of bows than what Faramir's Rangers still can field.

Whaaaaaaat, a bow themed list can be bow heavy?

It seems you're more interested in taking shots at me than actually discussing things. Enjoy ignore!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11582786.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11582786.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread D4 armies and if lucky completely wipe them in this game?

If so, should only Faramir's Rangers be able to do that our should we remove bow limit on more lists like Serpent Horde or Rivendell (besides knights with Elrond) so bow themed lists can be bow themed and win easily from range? They are after all bow themed.

Should shooting be changed from a tool that help dictate where and when engagement happens to the deciding factor in most games? Either you play all bows yourself or you play with IH Ballista, Shadowlord, Cirdan, Gandalf or Galadrield or even worse you play all elf archers with Galadriel/Cirdan and just win the game. Would be pretty thematic to have 30+ elf bows backed up by one of the most powerful elves in the third age. They would also crush Faramir's Rangers so hard they would see even less play than what they currently does.

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Klickor wrote:
Should shooting be changed from a tool that help dictate where and when engagement happens to the deciding factor in most games?


Why not? I've never understood this aversion to shooting LOTR players seem to have. Why should shooting be forced into a secondary role and melee get to always be the deciding factor? If there's a bow limit why isn't there also a melee weapon limit?

Rather than imposing arbitrary limits on how many ranged weapons you can include or requiring specific tax characters even if they aren't appropriate for the story the goal should be to fix the core rules so that both options are relevant and interesting. Fix the terrain rules to prevent gunlines from dominating, give quality ranged units an appropriate cost, etc.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11582942.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11582942.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
I think artificially limiting the bows is just the trade off for the type of game this is. If you want a shooting game you can look elsewhere, or just suck it up and deal with the limitations you're dealt. Having played a lot of 40k in the past I'm happy with how MESBG plays as it at least allows counterplay and doesn't involve multiple games where you just get deleted by amazing strategies like no-los-anti-everything shooting.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11583072.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11583072.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
essentially to force people to get close

to be fair the scenarios usually do a decent job of punishing someone who sits still but at least its a way of setting armies to at least pay some attention to the background]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11583078.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11583078.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
It is also a bit of a noob trap due to how the scenarios work and how some lists can easily counter shooting lists.

Game works great with shooting being mostly just supplemental and an additional tool to use rather than the main way armies deal damage. How you use it and when you use it adds more skill to it as well rather than just point it at something and delete it (The Isengard LL with Ballistas that was closest to this got nerfed to prevent this non interactive game play). Its when lines start to meet and you have to use your heroes and their resources the more interesting and skill intensive parts of the game begin.

The game just isn't made around shooting being equal to or superior to melee and if anyone would want that then they should look at a different game because this game would need a huge redesign to work like that.

I play Elves and Isengard, two of the most dominant factions when it comes to shooting, and I don't think more shooting would have a positive impact at all. It just doesn't fit into the game and shooting being supplemental also is more realistic considering the tech level seen in Lord of the Rings (book and movies). Bows historically couldn't defeat entire armies even if they were important weapons of war so any game that tries to be at least somewhat "realistic" should follow that. Just because WFB could allow low tech armies win with shooting alone didn't mean that it was a good idea to have that be an option. No one liked playing against it either.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11583093.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11583093.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread LotR militarily). But it does fall apart when it comes to ranged aspect of that warfare, which is why GW had to arbitrarily limit access to bows.

If one removes this band-aid, the system would need a retooling to make ranged warfare work correctly.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11583114.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11583114.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11583156.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11583156.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/11/20/the-armies-of-the-dead-fulfil-their-oath-in-new-translucent-plastic-kits/



]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612485.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612485.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612491.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612491.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW surprises us) so... I guess I'll pick some up and mix them in.

Also, how the hell did you not post the terrain bundle??!? Thats the big news IMO.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612493.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612493.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Interesting. Just need to base and the army is done. More interested in the terrain bundle however.


Been waiting for this. It will finish my Osgiliath board off very nicely.

Any of you good folks who seem able to estimate the prices of these things have an idea what it'll be? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612494.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612494.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612500.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612500.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread Thanks]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612501.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612501.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread

I hope they stick around long enough for me to get some. Does anyone know how/if this clear resin affects detail quality?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612502.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612502.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612507.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612507.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
I'd seen rumours that the mansion & tower were gone for good due to mould breakages, which was reinforced that fact that they were showing on the store as 'no longer available online'.

I need one more mansion to finish a small build table and was annoyed when I skipped over buying another one at the time thinking it would be around for a long time.

But I'll happily buy a couple of these bundles and have a bunch spare for a much bigger and better table!

I love the deadmen of dunharrow in clear plastic. I shouldn't really, as its really gimmicky and is just more money for sculpts I already have. But clear plastic minis, I wonder if they are testing this to move over to more clear parts, like the new D&D minis have clear/coloured plastic like fireballs & ghosts.

I'm still not sure what this means for the games future, but its nice to know that at least in the short term we have some good terrain coming back.
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 Snrub wrote:
Well hello there.

I hope they stick around long enough for me to get some. Does anyone know how/if this clear resin affects detail quality?


You usually find that clear HIPS tends to be more brittle than the normal stuff (although i don't have much experience with GW specifically it's a common issue with minis from other manufactuers)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612526.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612526.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Mallo wrote:
Well I'm very (pleasantly) surprised.

I'd seen rumours that the mansion & tower were gone for good due to mould breakages, which was reinforced that fact that they were showing on the store as 'no longer available online'.

I need one more mansion to finish a small build table and was annoyed when I skipped over buying another one at the time thinking it would be around for a long time.

But I'll happily buy a couple of these bundles and have a bunch spare for a much bigger and better table!

I love the deadmen of dunharrow in clear plastic. I shouldn't really, as its really gimmicky and is just more money for sculpts I already have. But clear plastic minis, I wonder if they are testing this to move over to more clear parts, like the new D&D minis have clear/coloured plastic like fireballs & ghosts.

I'm still not sure what this means for the games future, but its nice to know that at least in the short term we have some good terrain coming back.


If they re-release nighthaunt in clear plastic, I'm going to riot.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
 Snrub wrote:
Well hello there.
I hope they stick around long enough for me to get some. Does anyone know how/if this clear resin affects detail quality?

You usually find that clear HIPS tends to be more brittle than the normal stuff (although i don't have much experience with GW specifically it's a common issue with minis from other manufactuers)


This is my experience as well.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612528.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612528.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Well the retail looks like £280. So if we assume this is going to be an xmas bundle box, i'm going to guess around 180-200


It does not look like this will be a Christmas Bundle.

“The Armies of the Dead will be available to pre-order soon, with Osgiliath following later next year. Make sure to check back with Warhammer Community to find out when, and for all the latest news from Middle-earth.”

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/11/20/the-armies-of-the-dead-fulfil-their-oath-in-new-translucent-plastic-kits/

I quite like the translucent Army of the Dead minis. I have been painting up my current Army of the Dead minis as Black Numenoreans. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612548.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612548.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612561.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612561.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612562.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612562.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread LotR, which is exactly what you want from a terrain collection.

Tilean settlement for WHFB, Kings of War Basilean city, full frostgrave table and could represent wealthier areas of Mordheim, such as a non-sigmarite temple complex.

Probably the best set of fantasy terrain GW has made in at least 10 years.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612565.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612565.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
scarletsquig wrote:
The terrain bundle is fantastic, whole table in a box and broadly useful for a lot of different gaming systems in addition to LotR, which is exactly what you want from a terrain collection.

Tilean settlement for WHFB, Kings of War Basilean city, full frostgrave table and could represent wealthier areas of Mordheim, such as a non-sigmarite temple complex.

Probably the best set of fantasy terrain GW has made in at least 10 years.


The terrain is a bit small to be used with 28mm+ figures.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612571.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612571.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread 3x Gondor Mansions
3x (?) Gondor Ruins

That's a great box, let's hope it comes with a great price as well!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612580.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612580.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
chaos0xomega wrote:

The terrain is a bit small to be used with 28mm+ figures.


that's an odd claim since MESBG is "28mm scale". also, not true anyways, the newer plastic Osgiliath kits are massive and definitely works for figures up to 1/48 scale. Even the doors are sized to nearly twice the height of a warrior of Minas Tirith.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612583.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612583.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 judgedoug wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:

The terrain is a bit small to be used with 28mm+ figures.


that's an odd claim since MESBG is "28mm scale". also, not true anyways, the newer plastic Osgiliath kits are massive and definitely works for figures up to 1/48 scale. Even the doors are sized to nearly twice the height of a warrior of Minas Tirith.


MESBG is 25mm scale and always has been.


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Also, the doorways are sized to fit 25mm bases, with the growing list of things that aren't on 25mm bases in other games, that alone starts to present a problem. Also a bit incredulous about your perspective on the doors - they are not that much larger than gondor warriors, unless you mean the archways, which is a different conversation.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612586.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612586.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
I'm sat with an empire swordsman on a new 25mm base and a built mansion. Looks fine to me. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612595.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612595.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
chaos0xomega wrote:
 judgedoug wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:

The terrain is a bit small to be used with 28mm+ figures.


that's an odd claim since MESBG is "28mm scale". also, not true anyways, the newer plastic Osgiliath kits are massive and definitely works for figures up to 1/48 scale. Even the doors are sized to nearly twice the height of a warrior of Minas Tirith.


MESBG is 25mm scale and always has been.


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Also, the doorways are sized to fit 25mm bases, with the growing list of things that aren't on 25mm bases in other games, that alone starts to present a problem. Also a bit incredulous about your perspective on the doors - they are not that much larger than gondor warriors, unless you mean the archways, which is a different conversation.


It's 28mm true scale. Has been since its inception.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612610.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612610.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
chaos0xomega wrote:

MESBG is 25mm scale and always has been.


it is not and never has been. edit: inb4 "warriors of the last alliance are so tiny!" indeed the first plastics ever made are smaller than all later plastics but even the plastic Numenoreans are not "25mm scale".]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612611.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612611.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612614.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612614.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GWs contract meant the scale had to be different from Warhammer (this contract is also why they have "no swapsies" rules about using the models in warhammer, officially at least)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612615.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612615.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
chaos0xomega wrote:


MESBG is 25mm scale and always has been

.


MESBG hasn't had a consistent scale. The original plastics were 25mm, but metals never really were. The old metal rangers were giants comparatively. In general the metals fit with Perry Historicals, and those are 28mm.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612620.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612620.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread MESBG, despite huamn-sized infantry models going up to 32mm in height (some more, Dunedain are particularly tall, almost 35mm), are 25mm; while over on TMP, any time MESBG figures are brought up there's loads of complaints of how huge they are and don't fit into 25mm armies.

Anyway moving away from people measuring 25mm to the middle of the chest to determine scale or whatever, the new plastic Gondor terrain is absolutely compatible with pretty much everything in this "range" of fantasy miniatures.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612621.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612621.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612622.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612622.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
can see trying to get hold of that boxed set, with the ruins I already have thats plenty for a good table, not just for Middle Earth either, for any fantasy skirmish type system as well]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612627.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612627.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612628.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612628.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612683.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612683.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612687.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612687.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612706.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612706.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612758.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612758.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612760.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612760.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 CragHack wrote:
So will these go along regular plastic? Replace regular plastic? Be a one time deal until they sell out?


Says in the article they won't be replacing existing miniatures.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612775.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11612775.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/11/26/sunday-preview-noble-knights-with-pennants-flying/

Also while stocks last. So just a splash release then.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11614506.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11614506.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11614514.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11614514.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
chaos0xomega wrote:
Ive heard from friends who have painted translucent minis for malifaux that they are a nightmare to paint well because you can very easily overpaint them and ruin the translucent effect, etc. I would guess that having an airbrush probably helps a lot.


Your friend is 100% correct. The translucent Malifaux figures are best left well alone unless you want to play them translucent. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11614646.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11614646.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/12/07/battles-in-middle-earth-heres-how-throne-of-skulls-2023-went-down/]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11618026.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11618026.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11618031.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11618031.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11618032.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11618032.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread lol]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11618079.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11618079.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11618089.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11618089.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11618091.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11618091.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Vorian wrote:
He's the sun on the 5th day


Ahhh. I had a feeling it was a joke or a reference to something but couldn't figure it out lol. Thanks for that.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11618132.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11618132.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11620057.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11620057.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11620063.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11620063.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/01/25/the-road-goes-ever-on-a-look-ahead-to-2024-in-the-middle-earth-strategy-battle-game/

Starting to feel like they're taking the piss with some of these, Heroes of Helm's Deep, Gamling and Theoden again, for, what, the fourth time?

At least theyre including the best Eomer sculpt this time around, and I think this is the first outing for Defenders of Rohan. The command set is ace, I don't know about the banner bearer but I believe the captain is a former army set exclusive?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11635094.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11635094.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread

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 Tim the Biovore wrote:
A brief glimpse of the first (re)release for Middle-Earth of 2024, and the next MTO preview

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/01/25/the-road-goes-ever-on-a-look-ahead-to-2024-in-the-middle-earth-strategy-battle-game/

Starting to feel like they're taking the piss with some of these, Heroes of Helm's Deep, Gamling and Theoden again, for, what, the fourth time?

At least theyre including the best Eomer sculpt this time around, and I think this is the first outing for Defenders of Rohan. The command set is ace, I don't know about the banner bearer but I believe the captain is a former army set exclusive?


Defenders of Rohan has never been done and are exceptionally expensive, as is Eomer and the sword armed Gamling. The captain was a magazine exclusive that never got a re-release. Good choices i think.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11635101.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11635101.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread Last Alliance makes sense. Elrond re-released in plastic, the heavily hinted at Gil-Galad redo from the stream last year. A new plastic Sauron would be great.

The MtO is a stonker too! That elusive mounted Eomer will finally be mine, as will that very rare captain. Defenders is also a must have for me, as I actually have none of those minis, despite both Gamling and Hama being somewhat common. I have both mounted Theoden and Gamling (although it is nice to see that Gamling available again!) and all but the elf banner from the Heroes set. So should be a cheaper MtO for me.


 Tim the Biovore wrote:
Starting to feel like they're taking the piss with some of these
At least it's not Haldir's Elves again!
Which in something of a cruel irony, despite the amount of times they have been up for MtO, i've never had the excess funds for the. Now I do have cash available and they're not here...
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
The captain was a magazine exclusive that never got a re-release. Good choices i think.
He was an army box exclusive. The magazine exclusive was (initially) Ugluk who later got released in a blister pack alongside Vrasku. And an alternate version of Gandalf the white on foot who was standing on the rock, who was later released (or had been previously released, I forget) as a version without the rock.



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They did strongly hint at Gil-Galad, what, over a year ago now? Maybe 2. We have seen nothing but MTO.

I'm sorry... we seen a very limited and extremely expensive "get off the road" model that has no value in games.

If they are working on something I hope it's something good, and big like Last Alliance. I'm very doubtful. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11635302.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11635302.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread LotR in years (I tracked pretty much everything I wanted down when they were doing the fine cast switch, I like my metal). But if they went and brought out new plastics for the Last Alliance (as in troops, not just a couple characters) then I'd be making some purchases. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11635369.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11635369.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
MTO: Shamefully, I still have the Theoden and Gamling from the Warg Attack box NIB from a previous MTO. Lovely sculpts, I really need to get to painting those. But I will definitely get Eomer and the Captain. Great sculpts.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11635375.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11635375.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
zombie_sky_diver wrote:They did strongly hint at Gil-Galad, what, over a year ago now? Maybe 2. We have seen nothing but MTO.
Uh.. Mid '22 from memory. That's when Elrond was announced. Then April last year, they teased that they were working on something they couldn't talk about.

Dawnbringer wrote:But if they went and brought out new plastics for the Last Alliance (as in troops, not just a couple characters) then I'd be making some purchases.
If we base our assumptions around models that have been released/teased/talked about then Last Alliance seems likely. The other possibility is maybe a Battle for Lothlorien supplement as the Galadhrim Court guard redo as well as Rumil & Orophin would indicate there's something going on in that there.

Other avenues could be Umbar or Harad/Far Harad as they haven't been the focus of a supplement yet, or (and this the one I'm hoping for personally) is a Fall of Arnor/Rise of Angmar book.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11635376.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11635376.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:


The other possibility is maybe a Battle for Lothlorien supplement as the Galadhrim Court guard redo as well as Rumil & Orophin would indicate there's something going on in that there.

Other avenues could be Umbar or Harad/Far Harad as they haven't been the focus of a supplement yet, or (and this the one I'm hoping for personally) is a Fall of Arnor/Rise of Angmar book.


I doubt GW would release models over a year before bringing out a book that highlights them, that's not the way they do things. We know they can keep some sculpts awaiting release for long times, so to me if they were going to do a Lothlorian supplement they would have held back those releases to go with the book.

As for Umbar / Harad, depends how far you want to go back, they had a source book in 2008, and Arnor / Angmar had one in 2006/7 (yes, I've been around that long. Ha) but I assume you mean since it became MESBG. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11635380.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11635380.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:
zombie_sky_diver wrote:They did strongly hint at Gil-Galad, what, over a year ago now? Maybe 2. We have seen nothing but MTO.
Uh.. Mid '22 from memory. That's when Elrond was announced. Then April last year, they teased that they were working on something they couldn't talk about.

Dawnbringer wrote:But if they went and brought out new plastics for the Last Alliance (as in troops, not just a couple characters) then I'd be making some purchases.
If we base our assumptions around models that have been released/teased/talked about then Last Alliance seems likely. The other possibility is maybe a Battle for Lothlorien supplement as the Galadhrim Court guard redo as well as Rumil & Orophin would indicate there's something going on in that there.

Other avenues could be Umbar or Harad/Far Harad as they haven't been the focus of a supplement yet, or (and this the one I'm hoping for personally) is a Fall of Arnor/Rise of Angmar book.


One thing, what would speak in favor of the Arnor/Angmar book would be the lack of availability and missing MtOs at the moment of the Arnor & some Angmar (Shade and Gulavhar?) models. So they don't do a MtO because the range will be rotated back in with the supplement. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11635383.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11635383.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Well damn, actual news. Some incredibly expensive models that are coming MTO and actual new stuff. There's an Eru after all.


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 Tim the Biovore wrote:
A brief glimpse of the first (re)release for Middle-Earth of 2024, and the next MTO preview

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/01/25/the-road-goes-ever-on-a-look-ahead-to-2024-in-the-middle-earth-strategy-battle-game/

Starting to feel like they're taking the piss with some of these, Heroes of Helm's Deep, Gamling and Theoden again, for, what, the fourth time?

At least theyre including the best Eomer sculpt this time around, and I think this is the first outing for Defenders of Rohan. The command set is ace, I don't know about the banner bearer but I believe the captain is a former army set exclusive?


Defenders of Rohan has never been done and are exceptionally expensive, as is Eomer and the sword armed Gamling. The captain was a magazine exclusive that never got a re-release. Good choices i think.


Captain is a former army box exclusive. I don't think it came in the magazine. This is the only time its been released afaik:



Its probably the only miniature from the game I've paid over the odds to get as I brought that set last year for a bit more than its really worth as I honestly never thought it would see a release again. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11635402.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11635402.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Dawnbringer wrote:I doubt GW would release models over a year before bringing out a book that highlights them, that's not the way they do things. We know they can keep some sculpts awaiting release for long times, so to me if they were going to do a Lothlorian supplement they would have held back those releases to go with the book.
Ah I'd actually forgotten they included the assault of Lothlorien onto the Defence of the North book. Maybe they wont do a dedicated Lorien book then. Makes the Last Alliance look more and more likely.

As for Umbar / Harad, depends how far you want to go back, they had a source book in 2008, and Arnor / Angmar had one in 2006/7 (yes, I've been around that long. Ha) but I assume you mean since it became MESBG.
Yeah I did mean since they combined both LotR and Hobbit into Middle-earth. But yes, I do remember the OG supplement books. I myself started this (very expensive) journey back when Return of the King was released. I went with a friend to see it for his birthday and his mum got him the RoTK box. Completely changed my life that did.

Bago wrote:One thing, what would speak in favor of the Arnor/Angmar book would be the lack of availability and missing MtOs at the moment of the Arnor & some Angmar (Shade and Gulavhar?) models. So they don't do a MtO because the range will be rotated back in with the supplement.
Oh please god no. A full Arnor/Angmar Made to Order would financially cripple me.
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 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
Jay Clare was talking about a Last Alliance expansion as far back as ~2016 at least (at an event they were previewing the Lake-town houses from what I recall, whenever that was). And I guess it has been hoped for by fans for even longer (if only for the faint possibility of dedicated Elves and Númenórean plastics - it's amazing what just 2 plastic sprues could do!), and hinted as at least being considered several times. Does that mean it's even more likely, the longer time passes, or less likely? Either way, wouldn't be surprised to (finally) see it happen. Would be nice to get something resembling concrete information at some point soon...


The future proofing of Anarion in the rule book does help these rumours]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11635455.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11635455.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread FW.

When's the time we seen a plastic kit that wasn't terrain or a character? And even then, it's very, very rare. Elrond and the Gondor terrain was probably the most recent and that was 2022, no?

I'm not referring to the dead. That was an oddball alternate.

I don't expect much to come from LotR at all in truth. GW is just in an odd situation where they're supporting the game... but not actually supporting the game. It's like an illusion to make you think the game is being supported by them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11635486.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11635486.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Dawnbringer wrote:


I doubt GW would release models over a year before bringing out a book that highlights them, that's not the way they do things. We know they can keep some sculpts awaiting release for long times, so to me if they were going to do a Lothlorian supplement they would have held back those releases to go with the book.


I think the Easterling Acolytes and some other miniatures were released over a year before Defense of the North was released. There was even another supplement inbetween the release of those models and the book that had their rules.

It could be that the plan was for this new supplement to be released last year but due to things related to Horus Heresy and The Old World (that both were delayed last year) the MESBG team had to shift over enough resources that anything MESBG related got delayed even more than the other 2 games. Specialist Games have a lot of games to handle and the people on that team aren't working on only one game and 2 new game releases in just over a month took priority.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11635522.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11635522.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW's willingness to continue investing into terrain kits for MESBG are indicative of their willingness to invest into new plastics. Terrain, generally speaking, doesn't sell nearly as well as actual units do.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11635554.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11635554.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Hope for Aenarion (resin) Isildur, Elendil Gil Galad and maybe Sauron in plastic.

And remember that War of the Rohirrim is out at end of the year..]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11635586.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11635586.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Anarion will almost certainly be resin if and when he arrives, but I'm actually not sure about the others. I could see them going to resin if they get the same sculptor behind Glorfindel, but plastic would also make sense if they get the Elrond treatment and bring a captain/banner each (although I'd expect the Numenoreans at least to get a resin commanders set like Dale)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11635598.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11635598.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11635602.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11635602.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Also that suppliment, mentioned in 2016.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11635614.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11635614.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Tim the Biovore wrote:
Sauron in plastic seems like the best return on investment, I'd imagine he has the potential to be the most popular kit in the range.

Anarion will almost certainly be resin if and when he arrives, but I'm actually not sure about the others. I could see them going to resin if they get the same sculptor behind Glorfindel, but plastic would also make sense if they get the Elrond treatment and bring a captain/banner each (although I'd expect the Numenoreans at least to get a resin commanders set like Dale)


Man, i would kill for a plastic Sauron. Such an old piece, he deserves it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11635617.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11635617.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
zombie_sky_diver wrote:
I'm very doubtful we will see plastic troops for anything, even if they did a Last Alliance supplement. It will probably all just go to FW.
No, I don't think they would go resin.
Both Noldor and Numenoreans are in a something of a strange position, where their plastic troops share a sprue and yet both races are still missing basic troops in plastic. The last alliance sprue contains elves with swords, elves with bows and men with swords.
Neither have plastic spearmen and the Numenoreans also lack plastic bowmen. All of which are still resin/metal.

The two options GW have in that regard are create a 2nd Last Alliance kit that has the missing spearmen and bowmen. Or create 2 entirely new kits one for each race.
I don't think they'd go for the first option, even though it'd mean less work for them over all. And a new kits would mean they could address some posing issues, which both the men and elves with swords suffer from.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11635637.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11635637.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

Man, i would kill for a plastic Sauron. Such an old piece, he deserves it.


But they were, all of them, deceived, for another Sauron was made. In the land of Nottingham, in the fires of Mount Citadel, the Dark Lord Sauron forged in finecast.


I would also kill for a plastic Sauron and a proper set of plastic numenorean troops. I'm putting together about 200 last alliance elves right now and whilst the plastic numenoreans that come with them are good, the metal sets to put together enough bowmen and spearmen is costly. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11635641.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11635641.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread bs it doesn't need. Rather then just keeping him neatly on a 40mm base with Elendil/Isildur separate.

Unless of course they do it like the FW primarch scenic bases where you can detach them on a smaller gaming base. That'd be fine.
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I find it hard to believe, and doubtful, we will see new plastic Last Alliance Elves and Men. I hope I'm wrong. I would love it and buy a ton, but I'm not counting on it.


Given the track record and history I'll be in shock of they do anything. Given the new animated movie coming this year that's probably they're focus and reason for the Rohan MTO list.

I would love a new Sauron.. even in a resin display as you described.
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Snrub wrote:My fear (its too strong a word, but we'll roll with it) about a plastic Sauron is that they'll make him into an embiggened centrepiece model on like an 80mm base with Elendil/Isildur in ring cutting pose as well as all manner of extraneous scenic bs it doesn't need. Rather then just keeping him neatly on a 40mm base with Elendil/Isildur separate.

Unless of course they do it like the FW primarch scenic bases where you can detach them on a smaller gaming base. That'd be fine.


If they do him in resin as a Character Series, then he'd 100% have a detachable scenic base. As a plastic remaster, there'd have to be a significant scale increase to necessitate bumping him off a 40mm, which I can't imagine they'd do unless they went for a split profile to represent him fully-powered in the Second Age with the Ring in his possession, and the Ring-less Third Age version that was originally planned to appear in the third film. Considering how tight the community is, I can't imagine the creative team would be too keen to invalidate the sculpt that people have been buying for the last two decades

Kanluwen wrote:I could see Elendil, Anarion, and Isildur as a plastic trio like Faramir, Madril, and Damrod.


I hadn't even considered them not updating the mounted Isildur at the same time, and finally giving Elendil his horse, but you're right, this is probably the most efficient way for them to do it, and it matches the precedent of the Rangers and the Three Hunters too ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11635693.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11635693.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread But honestly I don't care, I am fine for what we have and for the support they give to the game, that is not suffocating the audience with continuous plastic release and unbalanced rules.
Very excited about the new supplement!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11635949.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11635949.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Just cramming in a bit more on each sprue so when they do make plastic MESBG kits they can get more models out per time spent in the machines might make it worth it alone. If they at the same time can retire a metal or resin kit due to the extra options on the sprue they will save money/time/resources there as well.

Their production capabilities seem to be their bottleneck so anything that could improve that might get an upgrade rather than if a kit really needs it for just being old.

A plast kit for Numenor and one for Rivendell would be 1 more plastic kit but they could at the same time retire elf spearmen, numenor spearmen, numenor bowmen and the rivendell captain + banner pack while also adding in a helmet or shield for a numenor captain upgrade and maybe even a banner (unless they want to save space on the sprue and instead do it like Elrond and make a plastic hero and add in the banner there). 2 products for what is now 5. Would clean up their terrible website at the same time and make it much easier and cheaper to start a new Rivendell or Numenor army.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11635987.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11635987.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread lotr is still quite strong in germany but I don't think middle earth plastics sell worse than Aeronautica Planes, Necromunda squads, or some of the upcoming ancient whfb kits that have been replaced by newer stuff already (or have better and cheaper alternatives).
That being said Numenorians wouldn't be the first thing on my list to get a new kit, not because it's not necessary but because it's quite a fringe faction in the game and always was. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11635994.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11635994.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Might be a biased view since lotr is still quite strong in germany but I don't think middle earth plastics sell worse than Aeronautica Planes, Necromunda squads, or some of the upcoming ancient whfb kits that have been replaced by newer stuff already (or have better and cheaper alternatives).
That being said Numenorians wouldn't be the first thing on my list to get a new kit, not because it's not necessary but because it's quite a fringe faction in the game and always was.


Numenor might be a bit fringe but at the same time a new kit would probably sell better than some other more popular factions just because not everyone has bothered with Numenor due to it being fringe and you almost have to start a Rivendell army at the same time. With upgraded characters and a new Rivendell kit at the same time it could probably sell very well. I think it would be hard to sell for example new orcs or minas tirith warriors since everyone already has so many of them and you would have to convince people to rebuy the same models. That problem wouldn't exist to the same regard with a new numenor kit if they do decide to split the current box and make 2 new ones.

I don't think they would put numenor as a priority by themselves but Rivendell might get that treatment and just because of that Numenor kinda has to get that free ride.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11635996.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11635996.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread LOTR is a time capsule to the early 2000s GW.
I made the plastic Eomer recently, and although the finished product is nice, I did not enjoy the process of building him at all. I definitely prefer the metal characters I have, and I'd be disappointed to see any of the great plastics replaced by modern GW plastics with a million parts for one pose. Give me the joy of really nicely designed one or two piece models that have 12 poses in a box and metal for special models.

I know the modern plastics are a technical marvel but I'm exactly the demographic that doesn't like them - too many pieces for zero modularity, not to mention spectacularly high prices.
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Klickor wrote:
Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Might be a biased view since lotr is still quite strong in germany but I don't think middle earth plastics sell worse than Aeronautica Planes, Necromunda squads, or some of the upcoming ancient whfb kits that have been replaced by newer stuff already (or have better and cheaper alternatives).
That being said Numenorians wouldn't be the first thing on my list to get a new kit, not because it's not necessary but because it's quite a fringe faction in the game and always was.


Numenor might be a bit fringe but at the same time a new kit would probably sell better than some other more popular factions just because not everyone has bothered with Numenor due to it being fringe and you almost have to start a Rivendell army at the same time. With upgraded characters and a new Rivendell kit at the same time it could probably sell very well. I think it would be hard to sell for example new orcs or minas tirith warriors since everyone already has so many of them and you would have to convince people to rebuy the same models. That problem wouldn't exist to the same regard with a new numenor kit if they do decide to split the current box and make 2 new ones.

I don't think they would put numenor as a priority by themselves but Rivendell might get that treatment and just because of that Numenor kinda has to get that free ride.


These are some good points.
I'd say modern kits of Orcs and elves would also be interesting to people outside MESBG, like Oathmark or Saga Fantasy players if GW didn't price themselves out of competition . I'd say that's less the case for Minas Tirith warriors, because their look is connected to lotr for everyone.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11636002.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11636002.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
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Grand Tournament and another drip-fed preview

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Inquisitor Gideon was spot on ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11657873.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11657873.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Roadmap. p.57, FAQ p.58. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11657876.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11657876.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Roadmap. p.57, FAQ p.58.
Looks like a command set will be coming too.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11657878.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11657878.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Roadmap. p.57, FAQ p.58. Gw Arnor designs are awesome]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11657884.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11657884.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Roadmap. p.57, FAQ p.58. FW resin kits, by the by, on the Arnor Knights.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11657900.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11657900.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Roadmap. p.57, FAQ p.58.
resin models with contact points to the base like that though?

not so sure on that bit, pity, as a box of six in plastic could have been tempted, especially if infantry and command models followed]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11657908.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11657908.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Roadmap. p.57, FAQ p.58.
 Kanluwen wrote:
Confirmed by the Warhammer Community team to be FW resin kits, by the by, on the Arnor Knights.


A little disappointing. As someone thats collected a huge amount of MESBG minis for huge wargames but has no interest in skirmish level games, these FW resin kits hold very little interest, other than perhaps adding a single one as 'command' selection to the otherwise much cheaper options we have out there.

Oh well, these are nice models but I'd have brought 10+ boxes in plastic for sure.

I can only hope that this might mean we might see an Arnor MTO so I can finally fill some gaps.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11657914.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11657914.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Roadmap. p.57, FAQ p.58. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11657918.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11657918.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Roadmap. p.57, FAQ p.58. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11657921.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11657921.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Roadmap. p.57, FAQ p.58.
makes the current plastic boxes a lot more useful and allows more useful battlehost options in the future too]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11657925.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11657925.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Roadmap. p.57, FAQ p.58.
 Kanluwen wrote:
Confirmed by the Warhammer Community team to be FW resin kits, by the by, on the Arnor Knights.


Oh, my interest is suddenly deflated.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11657959.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11657959.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Roadmap. p.57, FAQ p.58.
However they are very nice. I dream about a great, big supplement about the Second Age with new rules for Arnor, Numenor, Angmar. Ah, and Blue Mountains too!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11658024.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11658024.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Roadmap. p.57, FAQ p.58. LotR these days. Which is a shame, as I'd definitely be in for a box or three if they and the foot versions were to be done in plastic. Unfortunately for GW, more than enough other plastic options out there for medieval humans these days.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11658133.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11658133.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Roadmap. p.57, FAQ p.58.
 Dawnbringer wrote:
It does seem that it's just life support for LotR these days. Which is a shame, as I'd definitely be in for a box or three if they and the foot versions were to be done in plastic. Unfortunately for GW, more than enough other plastic options out there for medieval humans these days.


After what they pulled with HH and Legiones Imperiales I was wondering if they couldn't throw middleearth a bone and at least redo some of the very first plastics like Goblins and Rivendell elves... A proper set, decently priced would probably attract players from other games as well and not sell that bad.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11658142.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11658142.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Roadmap. p.57, FAQ p.58.
Sgt. Cortez wrote:


After what they pulled with HH and Legiones Imperiales I was wondering if they couldn't throw middleearth a bone and at least redo some of the very first plastics like Goblins and Rivendell elves... A proper set, decently priced would probably attract players from other games as well and not sell that bad.


Oh I agree. In fact I'd go further and say a redone set of second age Elves / Numenor / Orcs done as a big Age of Darkness style box set with plastic Sauron, Elendil, Isildur, Gil-Galad, and Elrond would go far to revitalise the game.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11658146.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11658146.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Roadmap. p.57, FAQ p.58. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11658149.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11658149.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Roadmap. p.57, FAQ p.58. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11658181.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11658181.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Roadmap. p.57, FAQ p.58. More like.. *inserts eggplant emoji*]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11658191.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11658191.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Roadmap. p.57, FAQ p.58. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11658193.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11658193.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Roadmap. p.57, FAQ p.58.
 CragHack wrote:
No pun intended, doesn't look pointy, that's the point. Compared to, say, Iron Hills spears More like.. *inserts eggplant emoji*


It's pretty much the same as all other Gondor / Arnor spears. And as someone that uses metal spears / pikes on models, be careful what you wish for.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11658239.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11658239.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Roadmap. p.57, FAQ p.58. GW cannot make this game a bigger seller than it is. Lord of the Rings is one of the biggest IP’s out there with fans who spend excessive amounts of cash on all kinds of stuff.

I suspect GW very intentionally doesn’t make the effort with MEsbg to avoid the license penalty and to avoid cannibalizing its other non-license, fantasy customers. Frankly, the game would be better served (in terms of production) under a different company.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11658264.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11658264.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Roadmap. p.57, FAQ p.58.
callidusx3 wrote:
It is stunning to me that GW cannot make this game a bigger seller than it is. Lord of the Rings is one of the biggest IP’s out there with fans who spend excessive amounts of cash on all kinds of stuff.

I suspect GW very intentionally doesn’t make the effort with MEsbg to avoid the license penalty and to avoid cannibalizing its other non-license, fantasy customers. Frankly, the game would be better served (in terms of production) under a different company.



That's probably exactly why they keep it. They don't want people spending that money elsewhere, even if the money isn't being directly poured into them. It just stops the competition getting it.

I'd love to see someone get a proper license for a book version of a wargame, but honestly at least having GW chug along with it is probably about as good as we would get. It would just be nice if they made some effort to a- keep things in stock most of the time and b- actually had things released on some sort of schedule that made sense.

It is all very strange though that one of the biggest IPs isn't currently being milked for all its worth, we've had a couple of GW models and the MTG stuff and a few odds n ends like board games, video games, and horrid new book covers. Where is all the new Middle Earth Merch?

We have a new film only months away, you'd think GW would be milking the game even if no one else is! Not even a trailer yet! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11658269.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11658269.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Roadmap. p.57, FAQ p.58. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11658439.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11658439.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Roadmap. p.57, FAQ p.58. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11658589.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11658589.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Roadmap. p.57, FAQ p.58.
Sgt. Cortez wrote:
After what they pulled with HH and Legiones Imperiales.


What did they pull with these?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11659057.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11659057.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Roadmap. p.57, FAQ p.58.
 .Mikes. wrote:
Sgt. Cortez wrote:
After what they pulled with HH and Legiones Imperiales.


What did they pull with these?

From the context, I'd guess at "(re)launch with a buttload of plastic kits"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11659086.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11659086.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread.FAQ p.58, Arnor cavalry p.59. GW re-launched MESBG they'd probably upscale all the miniatures and put them on bigger bases, and resculpt them in CAD with way more pieces for similarly monopose plastics. They'd probably cost an arm and a leg too.

I've said it before but I'm okay with this game being "unsupported" if it means the old model line remains in production and the rules remain relatively stable.

The kind of support GW usually supplies is not to my taste!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11659105.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11659105.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread.FAQ p.58, Arnor cavalry p.59.
 Da Boss wrote:
If GW re-launched MESBG they'd probably upscale all the miniatures and put them on bigger bases, and resculpt them in CAD with way more pieces for similarly monopose plastics. They'd probably cost an arm and a leg too.

I've said it before but I'm okay with this game being "unsupported" if it means the old model line remains in production and the rules remain relatively stable.

The kind of support GW usually supplies is not to my taste!


Well, Lotr had monopose models before it was cool.
Also, GW can do stable rules, even HH2.0 is not that far from 1.0.
Overall I understand your sentiment, but it would still be cool to see some of the oldest plastics redone with modern technology. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11659114.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11659114.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread.FAQ p.58, Arnor cavalry p.59.
Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Overall I understand your sentiment, but it would still be cool to see some of the oldest plastics redone with modern technology.
If you're not familiar with them already, check out Davale and/or Medbury miniatures.
They both do some really nice, close-to-GW style Middle-earth minis. Pretty sure Davale have just done some not!-Numenoreans recently.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11659167.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11659167.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread.FAQ p.58, Arnor cavalry p.59. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11660025.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11660025.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread.FAQ p.58, Arnor cavalry p.59. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11660036.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11660036.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread.FAQ p.58, Arnor cavalry p.59.
 Snrub wrote:
Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Overall I understand your sentiment, but it would still be cool to see some of the oldest plastics redone with modern technology.
If you're not familiar with them already, check out Davale and/or Medbury miniatures.
They both do some really nice, close-to-GW style Middle-earth minis. Pretty sure Davale have just done some not!-Numenoreans recently.


Yeah I know these among others and bought some stls. So far 3D printing is a lot of hasste though and if you buy them from printing Services they're more expensive than even GWs kits. So... yes it's nice we have these today but they can't compete with a proper plastic set in my eyes. WGA's and northstar's Orcs and goblins are the closest we have to updated lotr kits I feel.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11660038.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11660038.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread.FAQ p.58, Arnor cavalry p.59.
less the trouble printing and more the requirements for the infrastructure as opposed to "I open this box"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11660091.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11660091.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread.FAQ p.58, Arnor cavalry p.59.
Give me a proper supported game line anytime over having to rely on 3D printing. GW does worse with the MEsbg line than much smaller companies do with their main lines.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11660303.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11660303.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread.FAQ p.58, Arnor cavalry p.59.
callidusx3 wrote:
I gave resin 3D printing a honest shot for several months. It is a hobby into itself, with much needing to be learned to properly support a print, in addition to all the other infrastructure issues. I had less than a 50% success rate on prints. I gave up. It takes too long to get proficient at it, and I don't have that time.

Give me a proper supported game line anytime over having to rely on 3D printing. GW does worse with the MEsbg line than much smaller companies do with their main lines.


this is all perfectly fair, not had too many issues with printing here, but have most certainly had some, getting the Ender 3 V2 working reliably took time, as did working out the work flow for resin.

for example, just done a few characters for Isengard (pair of Uruk-Hai ones), the alternative was GWs resin (sorry no) or metal via ebay.

the rank and file are plastic all the way, bit more robust and with the bulk being single or at most two part models assembly was very quick and to be honest the models look fine.

combine that for middle earth you don't actually need that many the fact I could probably get 12-16 on a built plate ceases the matter, the backlog is painting them

if these characters had been available in plastic, say a single box which is the ones from the "armies of.." book for a faction and I'd have it in a shot

that said printed terrain works wonderfully]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11660321.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11660321.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread.FAQ p.58, Arnor cavalry p.59. LOTR miniatures license from GW.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11661986.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11661986.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread.FAQ p.58, Arnor cavalry p.59. GW started hiring more sculptors and announcing stuff. It's pretty obvious the lull was due to them sorting out the licensing issues.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11662000.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11662000.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread.FAQ p.58, Arnor cavalry p.59. GW does a 180 in how it manages MEsbg, I am not happy that it is keeping the license.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11662053.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11662053.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread.FAQ p.58, Arnor cavalry p.59. GW games have. Slow and steady is all it needs.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11662062.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11662062.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread.FAQ p.58, Arnor cavalry p.59. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11662063.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11662063.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread.FAQ p.58, Arnor cavalry p.59. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11662070.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11662070.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread.FAQ p.58, Arnor cavalry p.59.
callidusx3 wrote:
Unless GW does a 180 in how it manages MEsbg, I am not happy that it is keeping the license.

I'm curious, and this is a discussion board - "does a 180" is a nice soundbite, but what specific changes would you want to see in how GW manages MESBG (and the associated model ranges)?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11662149.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11662149.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread.FAQ p.58, Arnor cavalry p.59.
callidusx3 wrote:Unless GW does a 180 in how it manages MEsbg, I am not happy that it is keeping the license.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote:I'm quite the opposite. It doesn't need the constant churn the most other GW games have. Slow and steady is all it needs.
There's a wide middle ground there though. What I'm seeing GW do for AoS looks actively damaging, removing miniatures from the range many would still consider "new", and updating rules at such a pace that the only winners are owners of paper mills. While I appreciate the stability of the rules in MESBG, the miniature production could use more investment and effort. MESBG was my first wargaming love, and I admire many sculpts in the range, a testament to the Perry twins terrific skill and love for their work.

However. When planning some projects in the last few years, I have noticed I am increasingly put off by the prospect of using the 20-year-old sculpts. Their details may be as sharp as they were two decades ago, but they are constrained by having been made to be monopose, in 1-2 parts, with no weapon options, command bits, or generally any variation, in those sets. For 15 years, I have been happy to chop them up, switch out weapons, and repose them myself, but why go through that effort when I can just buy a box of Oathmark orcs that save me the effort? Unfortunately, not all of Middle-earth (in races or designs) is available elsewhere (yet), but I am amazed at how little GW seems to care about retaining their place in the market for such a rich and recognizable IP.

Not to mention Finecast. They have been re-releasing sets in metal for Old World now, despite some being available in Finecast when last available, and I for one would be very happy if they did that for MESBG too (for basic infantry and things at least).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11662166.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11662166.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread.FAQ p.58, Arnor cavalry p.59. GW is still able to do that (as their model focus goes into a different direction)

also keeping things available and add in marketing as by now the best game they have is only driven by word of mouth

that they leave the rules were they are and not burn them every 3 years is a given, but not sure if GW is able to make updates on models without going into the book release cycle again

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 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:


Not to mention Finecast. They have been re-releasing sets in metal for Old World now, despite some being available in Finecast when last available, and I for one would be very happy if they did that for MESBG too (for basic infantry and things at least).


Pretty sure they did. Many things that came back through range rotation or MTO were put back into metal. The only things never going to metal are things that were already failcast at release.

Also concerning monoposes... yes, I agree, but GW started to do monoposes for 40K and AoS as well, so unfortunately it's pretty unlikely we'd see multiposes, even if they redid the range.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11662176.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11662176.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread.FAQ p.58, Arnor cavalry p.59. GW doing a significant revamp of the miniatures range. Doing an extensive refresh of the minis range is a significant capital investment, but there probably isn't as much demand behind the game to justify that expenditure at this stage given the reduced margins associated with licensed goods, likewise the uncertainty behind the license lifespan probably makes gw risk averse to making that investment with the hope of recouping the costs over the molds lifetime, etc.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11662429.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11662429.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread.FAQ p.58, Arnor cavalry p.59.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/04/28/sunday-preview-white-dwarf-500-and-legions-imperialis-hardware/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sudaypreview&utm_content=sundaypreview280424&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0AYITjWN165b8DgvOSqPx75qNDzInffr06COq6GdBweGpSKSDwqn9sVIs_aem_ASbHyKSvdWUie9l2OdlgR0jJVKleVovdNAabhRZPSn8NCi4QB0UHRIkSqfgKOsiii8MkcuOiHcUue4eDfFornGIU

Curious of the price of this one. And if it's direct only or not.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11663580.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11663580.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread.FAQ p.58, Arnor cavalry p.59.
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Big ol' Osgilliath scenery box next week:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/04/28/sunday-preview-white-dwarf-500-and-legions-imperialis-hardware/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sudaypreview&utm_content=sundaypreview280424&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0AYITjWN165b8DgvOSqPx75qNDzInffr06COq6GdBweGpSKSDwqn9sVIs_aem_ASbHyKSvdWUie9l2OdlgR0jJVKleVovdNAabhRZPSn8NCi4QB0UHRIkSqfgKOsiii8MkcuOiHcUue4eDfFornGIU

I've avoided stepping into the Osgiliath terrain so far. It isn't 1) not badly priced, and 2) Actually able to order it, I may be inclined.

Curious of the price of this one. And if it's direct only or not.
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 Dawnbringer wrote:


The mansion is probably the single best scenery piece they've ever made. Period.

If i'm reading it right, it will be £370 rrp if bought as seperate pieces.
If the box price is £250 and can be gotten from third parties for an extra 20%, that drops it to £200.
I think it would be well worth that price.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11663620.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11663620.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread.FAQ p.58, Arnor cavalry p.59. FLGS is under the impression the box is available to retail.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11663639.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11663639.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread.FAQ p.58, Arnor cavalry p.59. - 1x Gondor Tower (£40 each)
- 3x Gondor Mansion (£50 each)
- 3x Gondor ruins (£30 each).

So £280 of stuff, although £90 of that can be had much more cheaply via eBay as parted out from the starter set. But priced correctly, it could be very attractive, and lean into the full modularity of the kids.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11663653.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11663653.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread.FAQ p.58, Arnor cavalry p.59. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11663710.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11663710.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread.FAQ p.58, Arnor cavalry p.59. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11663725.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11663725.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11665164.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11665164.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 I pass and will buy the mansions by themselves and 1-2 ruins.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11665167.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11665167.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11665185.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11665185.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
 CptJake wrote:
Probably a dumb question, but does the mansion have a detailed interior for playing within the structure?


The walls are detailed on both sides.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11665192.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11665192.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11665193.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11665193.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
Obviously I'd not have said no to yet another 20% off on top of that but it's a pretty decent deal. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11665196.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11665196.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11665199.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11665199.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 UK prices:

Full RRP = £280
20% discount on RRP = £224
Box price = £185

So the box is a £39 (17.4%) discount on simply buying everything at the usual discount.

A good deal if you want absolutely everything in the set, not a good deal if you don't (as any single unneeded item wipes out most or all of the saving).

This also assumes you're getting the ruins sets at retail. Each £100 starter box contains £48 worth of terrain, which is frequently sold for less on eBay.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11665200.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11665200.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
I really don't need the ruins, as ruins are easy to make and will appear in almost every starter set/bundle deal/2nd hand bundle anyway.

I've been able to pick a couple of random Gondor buildings up over the last year but they've been very difficult to get hold off, so nabbing a single big set means between that and the handful of sets I have already means I will have enough to at least build a decent sized Arnor ruins table. When it comes to building an actual Osgiliath/Minas Tirith table I'll go for something more affordable to go bigger (much, much bigger than these kits can manage)

Shame, as I have enough Dol Guldor kits to build a full size display piece/table as my FLGS had them on massive discount, and the old bundle deals for lake town houses was always good so I'll have to lake town one day too. The Rohan sets were much better value for getting a good table set up, even if the Gondor sets are just as nice.
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 His Master's Voice wrote:
 CptJake wrote:
Probably a dumb question, but does the mansion have a detailed interior for playing within the structure?


The walls are detailed on both sides.


Do roofs come off for easy in game access? Can you access bottom and top floors?

Thanks.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11665212.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11665212.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
 CptJake wrote:
 His Master's Voice wrote:
 CptJake wrote:
Probably a dumb question, but does the mansion have a detailed interior for playing within the structure?


The walls are detailed on both sides.


Do roofs come off for easy in game access? Can you access bottom and top floors?

Thanks.


Here

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/03/31/how-to-make-the-most-of-the-gondor-terrain-for-the-middle-earth-strategy-battle-game/]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11665216.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11665216.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
 CptJake wrote:
 His Master's Voice wrote:
 CptJake wrote:
Probably a dumb question, but does the mansion have a detailed interior for playing within the structure?


The walls are detailed on both sides.


Do roofs come off for easy in game access? Can you access bottom and top floors?

Thanks.


Here

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/03/31/how-to-make-the-most-of-the-gondor-terrain-for-the-middle-earth-strategy-battle-game/

That helps a little. I guess by not gluing on roofs/upper stories you can access an interior in game. Thanks.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11665257.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11665257.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
CptJake wrote:
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
 CptJake wrote:
 His Master's Voice wrote:
 CptJake wrote:
Probably a dumb question, but does the mansion have a detailed interior for playing within the structure?


The walls are detailed on both sides.


Do roofs come off for easy in game access? Can you access bottom and top floors?

Thanks.


Here

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/03/31/how-to-make-the-most-of-the-gondor-terrain-for-the-middle-earth-strategy-battle-game/

That helps a little. I guess by not gluing on roofs/upper stories you can access an interior in game. Thanks.


Here's a video showing just that - I think it works surprisingly well!




They also show how to assemble the tower so you can have both intact and destroyed versions, without needing to magnetise or anything fancy.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11665289.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11665289.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/05/12/sunday-preview-made-to-order-in-middle-earth/]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11667347.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11667347.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 lol.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11667357.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11667357.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11667409.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11667409.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 One captain, one Eomer and one goddamn defenders of Rohan thank you kindly.


 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Finally the defenders of rohan. What a pig of a set that's been to hunt down.
I gave up trying. On the few occasions I came across complete sets they were always ludicrously expensive. GW doing a MTO was the only real chance I had of gettng it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11667417.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11667417.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11667448.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11667448.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/05/16/middle-earth-strategy-battle-game-a-new-captain-of-arnor/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0cIroR_6upG6yJH4lfaa9q2M40WrwdNjZ6-aYMaomVFCXN9BTBATK8M0M_aem_AXqINt7Q0FVnd1LuY3pctI60i_4NO7tWoZQg4VOZJLCS36UJmFErtCm6I5hRfbja33rXQnq8fTir-cBkgTX8LZCE

Interesting the clue at the end of the article...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11668295.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11668295.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60

New captain looks good. Nice to see both foot and mounted versions. I'm keen to see what else they get for their re-release. I hope they get some sort of siege weapon like a ballista or something.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11668297.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11668297.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11668299.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11668299.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 GW.

They redo the Last Alliance plastics though and I'm all in.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11668315.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11668315.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
Genuinely unsure about what the teaser is. I'm half tempted to say something Mordor.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11668321.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11668321.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 Yeah, now character is great and I am loving it. I have no Arnor miniatures at all: planning to buy everything new on launch. And can't wait.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11668406.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11668406.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11668472.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11668472.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
 .Mikes. wrote:
C'mon combat hobbits! Hombats, if you will.
Hobbits with bows and light armour would be cool. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11668521.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11668521.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
The mounted characters have consistently been $40 for as far back as I can remember ordering from MtOs., they've jumped up to $55 this time around. Still, I'm fortunate I only need Eomer. Defenders and Heroes are cheaper then I expected at $120 and $135 respectively, yet more then I'd have liked. 2 Years ago, the full Easterling Warband was only $110 and that was 12 warriors + captain and bannerman. Still the sculpts from Defenders are rare enough that they still work out at good value over hunting them down 2nd hand in both dollar value and time spent.
$55 for the captain and bannerman is a bit steep, but again, rarity makes it slightly more palatable. Looking back over previous orders most 3 model sets were about $40. So another big jump.



]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11668866.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11668866.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11668881.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11668881.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 LOTR collection, but each one offers a slightly different grouping. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11669151.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11669151.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
blockade23 wrote:
Stupid question as I only really have the funds to pick up one. Which one is 'better' - not gameplay wise, but long term value wise? I'm slowly building my heroes of the LOTR collection, but each one offers a slightly different grouping.


Between Defenders of Rohan and Heroes of Helm's Deep?

The former is significantly rarer. The latter has appeared on MtO multiple times, and I'd wager will continue to appear in future runs, but even before then Defenders of Rohan was still harder to find and went for higher prices when it was]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11669174.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11669174.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
blockade23 wrote:
Stupid question as I only really have the funds to pick up one. Which one is 'better' - not gameplay wise, but long term value wise? I'm slowly building my heroes of the LOTR collection, but each one offers a slightly different grouping.


Hero's is by far some of the most common sculpts you can find. The aragorn and theoden you can pick up for a couple of pounds each and the the rest aren't much more expensive.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11669184.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11669184.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
Not heard anything about it, but I am glad to see GW doing more Boardgames.

https://www.warhammer.com/en-IE/shop/the-lord-of-the-rings-quest-to-mount-doom-eng-2024]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11671006.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11671006.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11671015.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11671015.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
 stonehorse wrote:
Well, this one flew right under my radar.

Not heard anything about it, but I am glad to see GW doing more Boardgames.

https://www.warhammer.com/en-IE/shop/the-lord-of-the-rings-quest-to-mount-doom-eng-2024


Wasn't sure about this one- thought about picking it up but it seems quite expensive for a board game which is basically the fellowship sprue and what appears to a slightly more elaborate snakes and ladders board.

The Moria one they did previously felt more like a mini-wargame and whilst I've not got around to painting it felt like it has more playability (at least being able to be pulled out for quick games once a year perhaps at our winters game days or something) and was a lot cheaper in comparison to this one.

It was available previously, so there are probably some reviews out there. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11671016.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11671016.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
 Mallo wrote:
Spoiler:
 stonehorse wrote:
Well, this one flew right under my radar.

Not heard anything about it, but I am glad to see GW doing more Boardgames.

https://www.warhammer.com/en-IE/shop/the-lord-of-the-rings-quest-to-mount-doom-eng-2024


Wasn't sure about this one- thought about picking it up but it seems quite expensive for a board game which is basically the fellowship sprue and what appears to a slightly more elaborate snakes and ladders board.

The Moria one they did previously felt more like a mini-wargame and whilst I've not got around to painting it felt like it has more playability (at least being able to be pulled out for quick games once a year perhaps at our winters game days or something) and was a lot cheaper in comparison to this one.

It was available previously, so there are probably some reviews out there.
Yup, and it doesn't look promising - mediocre to bad is the general vibe. https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/257324/the-lord-of-the-rings-quest-to-mount-doom/ratings
Game design feels antiquated, and not befitting its theme either. Probably fine to play with younger children, but then, why not play something actually good that everyone can enjoy? Especially when you can purchase multiple games for the price of this single uninspired specimen.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11671021.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11671021.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
 stonehorse wrote:
Well, this one flew right under my radar.

Not heard anything about it, but I am glad to see GW doing more Boardgames.

https://www.warhammer.com/en-IE/shop/the-lord-of-the-rings-quest-to-mount-doom-eng-2024


It is a re-release. And it is a terrible game: a sort of a race game where the first player who casts the ring into the fire of Mount doom wins....]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11671114.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11671114.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 GW, they mass produce minis in their own factory for less than a penny each (unless you're a stan, in which case I understand it's times-a-million that much), why not design the game to include some boss orc minis to represent warbands or armies, a few monsters who you have to face if you want through an area, etc.? I paid $60 to get War of the Ring, this game, as it actually is, seems pretty light by comparison. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11671124.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11671124.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/06/13/a-scavenger-hunts-whos-this-new-miniature-for-the-middle-earth-strategy-battle-game/]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11675705.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11675705.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11675709.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11675709.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 MESBG release 'chunky' unless it involves new plastic troops.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11675719.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11675719.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60


What if he steals something like the Royal Standard of Rohan or another item that affects ['X' keyword]? Like in the case of aforementioned standard, does [Rohan Hero] become [Angmar Hero]?
It looks like a fun rule that, while probably not game winning, will certainly open up some wacky situations once in a while when you jag a kill on someone special. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11675722.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11675722.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11675735.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11675735.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
 Dawnbringer wrote:
I'm not counting any MESBG release 'chunky' unless it involves new plastic troops.


There are two new films on the way with the first, The War of the Rohirrim, being released as soon as this Christmas. This might be connected to it...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11675784.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11675784.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
I like the model.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11675789.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11675789.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
 stonehorse wrote:
Well, this one flew right under my radar.

Not heard anything about it, but I am glad to see GW doing more Boardgames.

https://www.warhammer.com/en-IE/shop/the-lord-of-the-rings-quest-to-mount-doom-eng-2024


That is an embarrassing looking game from GW. Especially at that price. Short of some of the miniatures everything else GW produces has really low production values, but this is a step below that.

Looks like a bargain bin game from a garage publisher.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11676311.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11676311.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 FFG and Ares produce for LotR and then compare it to GW’s. The latter’s low-effort game is bad even compared to GW’s boardgames of the late 80’s.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11676335.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11676335.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
When it comes to MESBG, I see the 2005 Mines of Moria set and think "Bingo!". Its a shame they don't revise that as a lighter but more adventurous alternative to the Osgiliath set. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11676602.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11676602.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
SamusDrake wrote:
"They have a cave troll..."

When it comes to MESBG, I see the 2005 Mines of Moria set and think "Bingo!". Its a shame they don't revise that as a lighter but more adventurous alternative to the Osgiliath set.


They did release a 'board game version' within the last couple of years. Didn't come with the plastic terrain but had those figures. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11676693.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11676693.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11676698.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11676698.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
 CptJake wrote:
SamusDrake wrote:
"They have a cave troll..."

When it comes to MESBG, I see the 2005 Mines of Moria set and think "Bingo!". Its a shame they don't revise that as a lighter but more adventurous alternative to the Osgiliath set.


They did release a 'board game version' within the last couple of years. Didn't come with the plastic terrain but had those figures.


Still a modest game under every aspect but at least can be fun to play, more thematic and good as an introduction for this world.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11676751.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11676751.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60

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 Shadow Walker wrote:
Battle report, Minas Tirith Vs Mordor




What has this got to do with MESBG releases and rumours?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11678501.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11678501.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11678504.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11678504.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
 Dawnbringer wrote:
I suppose its news someone is actually making content for the game?

Yeah, something like that But seriously, maybe someone will see it here in N&R, where is more traffic, and get some interest in a game otherwise overlooked because their huge neighbours of 40k and AoS.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11678506.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11678506.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 LOTR traffic coming our way hopefully.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11678544.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11678544.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 40k and Aos apart GW often "pauses" game in order to push one system at time - it is happened with Necromunda, Horus Heresy and even Tow now.
As you said there is lot of things incoming for the "franchise" (sigh), not olny a new supplement and Rop but a new anime AND a new live film produced by Jackson so hype will rise again and again. Free advertising for the game.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11678699.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11678699.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
They aren't in scale with the rest of the range and desperately need redoing. Especially the plastic horses, where half of them rely on a single ankle at the rear to hold it up, I can't count how many I've broken over the years. They also don't even compare to the numerous historical manufacturers out there (Victrix, Perrys, etc) and now they are several better options for orcs / goblins as well.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11678736.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11678736.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
Honestly I don't care as far as we understand what Lotr means for GW and how they support the game. If people remain interested in this universe and GW keep selling somehow miniatures that enough to keep the game going on.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11678751.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11678751.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
Johanxp wrote:
6 films - there is plastic for the Hobbit range too.


Yes, but it is the original three films where the range suffers the most, especially in scale. By which I mean the ones released as part of those films coming out, not necessarily in that what they represent is in them. So the Last Alliance set, plastic Rohan, and Plastic WoMT. The baddies as well depending how you want them to compare size wise, but I view it as less of an issue, though more that every 10 - 12 guys look the same.

Just compare Victrix Late Roman (under the dark ages tab) range with what's on offer from GW. Unless one is very tied to the movie 'look' (and as a book fan, I am not) they just don't compete one price or quality or options. I'd probably buy around a hundred Warriors of Numenor if they redid them in proper 28mm (not Warhammer scale, just the same as 28mm historics) as I do like the look. But of what they are offering currently, even if I didn't have my collection from 10-20 years ago (glup) there are to many high quality competitors out there now that I wouldn't buy it again, outside of some of the newer sets (Army of the Dead, Rangers, Corsairs, Easterlings). I wouldn't even do the Rivendell forces as the mounted ones are nice but the foot ones don't match in scale and spears still aren't in plastic...

Anyway, I'll stop whingeing as the thread is meant to be for news and rumours, not a complaint box.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11678796.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11678796.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 GW stores did not allow the LotR models to be used in warhammer games)
but now with the other games being 32mm, they could be re-done in 28mm

the other point was that this were cheap and easy to build models aimed at a very different target group that would never touch the expensive and complicated warhammer models for gaming

and one reason why GW is still doing something with the game is simply that no one else can make a game as this would compete with their other games]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11678802.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11678802.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
 Dawnbringer wrote:
Which unfortunately won't go anywhere so long as they are still pushing the plastics from the original three films.

They aren't in scale with the rest of the range and desperately need redoing. Especially the plastic horses, where half of them rely on a single ankle at the rear to hold it up, I can't count how many I've broken over the years. They also don't even compare to the numerous historical manufacturers out there (Victrix, Perrys, etc) and now they are several better options for orcs / goblins as well.


I was under the impression that the new models were in scale with the classic ones, and the issue was too many copies of the same models? Curious now as to whether there is any size difference between the Fellowship and Three Hunters set, where Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas is concerned...

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SamusDrake wrote:
 Dawnbringer wrote:
Which unfortunately won't go anywhere so long as they are still pushing the plastics from the original three films.

They aren't in scale with the rest of the range and desperately need redoing. Especially the plastic horses, where half of them rely on a single ankle at the rear to hold it up, I can't count how many I've broken over the years. They also don't even compare to the numerous historical manufacturers out there (Victrix, Perrys, etc) and now they are several better options for orcs / goblins as well.


I was under the impression that the new models were in scale with the classic ones, and the issue was too many copies of the same models? Curious now as to whether there is any size difference between the Fellowship and Three Hunters set, where Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas is concerned...



The size issue is pretty much just with the plastics that came out in the 2001 - 2003 period, the metal from that time are fine. Which is why I always get a bit annoyed when people try and say LotR is / was 25mm. It never had a consistent scale, the metals from that period end up a half head taller than the plastics. It was exceptionally noticeable between the original metal Gondor Rangers and the plastic WoMT. I'd dig out examples but unfortunately my collection is in storage the other side of the Atlantic.



That's an example, though using the Last Alliance set and a metal Arnorian.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11678855.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11678855.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 Cheers for the comparison.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11678862.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11678862.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/07/18/middle-earth-strategy-battle-game-hail-the-last-king-of-gondor/

And no idea what the teaser is.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11683217.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11683217.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11683229.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11683229.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:


And no idea what the teaser is.

Some orcish leader?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11683232.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11683232.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11683234.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11683234.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11683235.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11683235.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11683236.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11683236.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
 Snrub wrote:
Do we think this is meant to replace the Osgiliath box set?


What is? The newest article doesn't mention material so I'm guessing resin. My thoughts are just a fall of Arnor source book.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11683239.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11683239.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
 Snrub wrote:
Do we think this is meant to replace the Osgiliath box set?


This is just a supplement. 99% certain everything shown is resin.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11683243.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11683243.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
This is just a supplement. 99% certain everything shown is resin.
Jeez. That just shows I've been working too much lately. I'd completely forgotten they did supplements.
My head is filled with naught but fog at the moment. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11683248.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11683248.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 LoTR again!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11683277.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11683277.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11683295.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11683295.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11683386.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11683386.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11683394.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11683394.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11683398.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11683398.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11683402.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11683402.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 GW you cowards!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11683403.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11683403.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/08/08/middle-earth-strategy-battle-game-the-rise-of-angmar/]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688232.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688232.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
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 Scottywan82 wrote:
Gives me Warcraft III Medivh vibes.

Yeah, brings back memories ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688239.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688239.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688240.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688240.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688241.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688241.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 LotR IMO with their exposed torsos yet heavily furred trousers. They are supposed to be from a northern, mountainous region, why are they half naked? It isn't AoS of WFB.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688242.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688242.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 imo, less exaggerated muscles and so on would be better. If I see this in my local shop I will likely pick it up though- Angmar is a fascinating bit of the history of Middle Earth.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688244.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688244.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
 Haighus wrote:
Not a fan of the men of Carn Dum. The details are nicely done, but they look far to high-fantasy for LotR IMO with their exposed torsos yet heavily furred trousers. They are supposed to be from a northern, mountainous region, why are they half naked? It isn't AoS of WFB.


My test is always "does this look like it would appear in the films?" and the answer for them is a big fat nope.

I do like everything else at least, and the hill trolls are absolutely fantastic sculpts with a studio paintjob to match. I'm so glad there's a new character for the Rangers too.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688249.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688249.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 Aos than Lotr but... who cares! So many new models for this long awaited supplement!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688251.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688251.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
 Commitz wrote:
 Haighus wrote:
Not a fan of the men of Carn Dum. The details are nicely done, but they look far to high-fantasy for LotR IMO with their exposed torsos yet heavily furred trousers. They are supposed to be from a northern, mountainous region, why are they half naked? It isn't AoS of WFB.


My test is always "does this look like it would appear in the films?" and the answer for them is a big fat nope.

I do like everything else at least, and the hill trolls are absolutely fantastic sculpts with a studio paintjob to match. I'm so glad there's a new character for the Rangers too.

They look like they could appear in the Hobbit though. Such disappointing films.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688252.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688252.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688255.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688255.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
 Scottywan82 wrote:
Oh, wow! this guy looks super cool. Gives me Warcraft III Medivh vibes. I really like it.



Nice to see the Ysian/Drune faction making it to Middle Earth.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688256.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688256.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
Can’t believe he has a new model ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688258.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688258.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688275.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688275.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688277.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688277.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 And now a new edition, plus a tease there'll be stuff based on War of the Rohirrim.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688278.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688278.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 MESBG again!

My only gripe, and it is a small one, is that it seems like everything GW makes for any non-core game sells out too quickly and then doesn’t go back in stock for ages. I’m worried that I won’t be able to pick up the book and build armies to purchase and that instead we’ll be expected to impulse buy a bunch of stuff and hope it makes an army. At least it’s easier to do in MESGB than it is in TOW.

Maybe I’ll post a question about things possible army construction in the appropriate sub-forum...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688282.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688282.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
 Arbitrator wrote:
And now a new edition, plus a tease there'll be stuff based on War of the Rohirrim.


We asked for the game to receive more attention, and the monkey paw answered

War of the Rohirrim stuff is something to look forward too though ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688286.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688286.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688287.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688287.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
I am, however, quite keen for the possibility of a new edition having a suitably new starter set, so I'll let the optimism of a Last Alliance theme carry me from here ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688289.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688289.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 40k/AoS.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688303.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688303.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 6 years is a good run for impatient edition recyclers like GW though. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688305.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688305.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
VBS wrote:
Lots of new minis is nice, but yet another edition feels unecessary for a game that hasn't had significant changes in 20+ years. More so for a specialist game that is mostly on stand by.
6 years is a good run for impatient edition recyclers like GW though.


Not significative changes? Maybe but has had 3 different editions so far. Showing new support and interest in the game is always a good thing for the community.

Maybe we'll have an improvement, who knows?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688313.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688313.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688317.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688317.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
 lord_blackfang wrote:
Oh good invalidating the last rulebook within a year again.


Not great, I agree. Perhaps worth it for the new models though?



War of the Rohirrim is exciting and unexpected! Seeing as how the movie has a very different style from the LOTR and Hobbit movies perhaps whatever GW is offering will also be quite different from MESBG?

Is this also an indication that GW has signed a new license deal regarding the LOTR-rights? War of the Rohirrim but surely be it's own thing not covered by the existing license?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688325.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688325.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 imo.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688342.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688342.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 GW, but are monstrous enough to work in several settings.

Aranarth could be a young Aragorn, when he rode to the aid of Rohan, or, with some conversion, could be an Aragorn cleaning up remnants of Sauron's forces after the end of the War of the Ring.

The men of Carn Dum are kind of goofy-looking, making me wonder how WGA's Dark-Age Irish or something from Victrix would do, instead. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688344.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688344.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
VBS wrote:
Lots of new minis is nice, but yet another edition feels unecessary for a game that hasn't had significant changes in 20+ years. More so for a specialist game that is mostly on stand by.
6 years is a good run for impatient edition recyclers like GW though.
It does seem rather unnecessary. Could see the eventual use of updated "Armies of..." books with ongoing releases, but struggling to see the use of a new core rulebook. Game doesn't need big changes to core mechanics, and not enough new releases have happened to require any small changes either I imagine. Vaguely interested to see if they made any interesting changes or changes for the sake of changes, but haven't played competitively in years so will likely hold off on buying anything until I get back to playing it regularly again in case they ramp up the edition cycling for MESBG now.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688349.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688349.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 LOTR and Hobbit? Likely by buffing LOTR forces.

That seems like the biggest issue generally. I also expect more heroic action stuff.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688350.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688350.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 GW churn since the Hobbit.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688354.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688354.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 I still pay attention to what GW does though because I am open to trying current versions if I felt the rules were at least as good as what I am using.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688355.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688355.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
 Dawnbringer wrote:
I'm a bit impressed how they can tout a new edition despite the lack of support they've given the game over those six years. Thankfully there are plenty of options in the historical realm for human forces and now a days several multipart kits for orcs and such. It is one of my favourite rule sets, but I've not felt the need to keep up with the GW churn since the Hobbit.


Over the course of the edition, there will have been 7 supplements including the new one. So i wouldn't say there's been total lack of support over the edition.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688358.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688358.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:


Over the course of the edition, there will have been 7 supplements including the new one. So i wouldn't say there's been total lack of support over the edition.


Those books mostly duplicated supplements from over a decade ago. A handful of models.

Redoing any of the pre 2004 plastics I would have counted as support.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688364.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688364.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
 Ohman wrote:
 lord_blackfang wrote:
Oh good invalidating the last rulebook within a year again.


Not great, I agree. Perhaps worth it for the new models though?



War of the Rohirrim is exciting and unexpected! Seeing as how the movie has a very different style from the LOTR and Hobbit movies perhaps whatever GW is offering will also be quite different from MESBG?

Is this also an indication that GW has signed a new license deal regarding the LOTR-rights? War of the Rohirrim but surely be it's own thing not covered by the existing license?


GWs license is primarily with new line cinema and Warner bros, who are producing war of the rohirrim. It may or may not be an extension of the existing license or a separate one, etc. But it's not necessarily indicative of some deep change in licensing.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688369.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688369.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
Can't wait to see War of the Rohirrim as it was delayed from earlier in the year, and probably why GW had to hold their releases back in turn.


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 Dawnbringer wrote:


Those books mostly duplicated supplements from over a decade ago. A handful of models.

Redoing any of the pre 2004 plastics I would have counted as support.


It would be good if they begin refreshing the models from when they started - Fellowship of the Ring, then move onto Two Towers and Return of the King. At least reducing the number of metal kits.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688372.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688372.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 AoS silliness is very much creeping into the sculpts, especially the hill humans and the were wolves. And honestly that makes me a little concerned for a new edition. So long as they don't mess with the rules too much it will be fine though. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688377.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688377.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 an active MESBG player so I'm sure a full rewrite will go fine.

Well, player might be a strong word, but at least a person who likes the game. Maybe enough to playtest in their spare time. Certainly not on paid time.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688379.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688379.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
 lord_blackfang wrote:
Oh good invalidating the last rulebook within a year again.


^^^ this, and also the armies of... books with likely borderline trivial stat changes

may likely just stick with the current edition, not as if I play this in any competitive way anyway

not really seeing the need for new models either, beauty of the game is not needing massive armies so having a decent number of them is good. the way some scenarios are written to need an excessive number of some of them isn't subtle either. same with Battle companies, nice idea but silly numbers of models needed to have all the possibilities on the random tables (we just went with "or anything of equal or lower point value")

will see what they do with the rules but to be honest as a small to mid sized skirmish game I think they have it nailed, heros feel heroic, but can be swamped if unaided, the little guys do have an impact sometimes, its about the only set of terrain rules from GW that actually work, magic adds flavour without dominating etc. really captures the feel of the background - the various special weapon attacks that came in last time can be fun without ever being "needed" too

if they go down "heros now have their own phase and have command points" the marketing droid who did it needs shooting until they are really sorry]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688380.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688380.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688386.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688386.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
 lord_blackfang wrote:
Well the studio allegedly has an active MESBG player so I'm sure a full rewrite will go fine.

Well, player might be a strong word, but at least a person who likes the game. Maybe enough to playtest in their spare time. Certainly not on paid time.


I thought it was Jay Clare, one of the top UK tourney players?

The studio guys are certainly part of the main UK FB group and friends with the core tourney people.

Changes-wise the three things that stick out for me are: some of the Heroic actions are never used, difference in quality/approach to some of the Hobbit model rules vs LotR, and the poor writing around differentiating whole model vs elements of a model that impacts cavalry, chariots etc (and disappointingly bled over into some of TOW rules).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688405.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688405.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
Granted, that didn't matter to GW in the past, but they would first hose you for a purchase before the new edition was announced. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688415.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688415.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688439.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688439.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 AoS a mere 4 or so months before 4th edition dropped, and some of the Dawnbringer campaign books had even shorter useful lifespans. It's definitely not unheard of for GW to release books and invalidate them in short order.

I do hope they don't screw around with the rules for MESBG too much for the new edition. The game is easily one of the most balanced games GW offers (probably THE most balanced), and I'd hate to see that get ruined. Removing bloat would be difficult because there isn't a whole lot of bloat, other than maybe the different special strikes for different hand weapons, but honestly that adds some flavor so it should at least stay as optional rules or something.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688440.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688440.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 Faq and balance some models and legendary formation but surely they'll do more. Fortunately, as someone said, Jay Clayre is part of the ME Team and one of the strongest and competent player in the world so my hope is they'll do a good job. They did with the current edition.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688446.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688446.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
 ZergSmasher wrote:
Removing bloat would be difficult because there isn't a whole lot of bloat, other than maybe the different special strikes for different hand weapons, but honestly that adds some flavor so it should at least stay as optional rules or something.


The Noobs and Men youtube channel said they had info that one thing they'll be removing is wargear options rather than units. One example would be Galahdrim Court Guards with shields. So stuff there's no models for and possibly aren't seen in the films.

With regards to invalidating books, they would have known the next edition release was incoming near the realse of the film, so I wouldn't be surprised if the Angmar book has been written with an eye to be relevent to this and the next edition, like the second WHFB 6th ed dwarf codex, which came out not long before 7th ed and was usable in both editions.

If that's the case it could be we're seeing minor edits to the rules so profiles would still be applicable.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688455.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688455.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
they can fork off with that rubbish]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688458.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688458.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
 .Mikes. wrote:
The AoS silliness is very much creeping into the sculpts, especially the hill humans and the were wolves. And honestly that makes me a little concerned for a new edition. So long as they don't mess with the rules too much it will be fine though.

Aside from the outbreak of Tactical Rocks (TM), where do you see Age of Silliness having an impact on the Werewolves?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688469.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688469.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 LOTR models to this point have all been more reality based.

Show anyone those werewolf models without context and ask them to guess what game they belong in. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688474.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688474.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
 .Mikes. wrote:
They're cartoonish in their exaggerations. LOTR models to this point have all been more reality based.

Show anyone those werewolf models without context and ask them to guess what game they belong in.


You want reality based werewolves, huh? In my oppinion, these are probably the most realistic werewolves I ever saw. The concept is more or less impossible to execute in a good way without doing an exaggerated cartoon.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688477.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688477.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688481.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688481.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
New edition probably means just implementing FAQs and new profiles, maybe the occasional rewrite. Seeing how decisive heroic strikes are could call for a change, for example. It would be a shame to see no models no rules implemented in that game as it would mean to steal shields from all of my orc heroes for no reason, for example. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688497.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688497.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 NMNR doesn't apply to non-core games as has been proven about a billion times by now.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688498.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688498.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688499.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688499.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
 Gert wrote:
I mean there's been no evidence of it and NMNR doesn't apply to non-core games as has been proven about a billion times by now.


I'm with you on that, but apparently it doesn't stop rumormongers from naming it as literally the only change for the new edition . ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688504.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688504.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
I guess Dunlendings or Wildmen could make for a passable substitute with some conversion work involved.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688511.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688511.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
 .Mikes. wrote:
Show anyone those werewolf models without context and ask them to guess what game they belong in.


You don't have to like them by any means, but they do very much look like wargs, especially plastic Gothmog's mount. If you showed me those models sans all context, I could quite comfortably say they appear to be were-wargs for Games Workshop's Middle-Earth Strategy Battle Game. We've had this more exaggerated aesthetic since at least the Dragon Cult Acolytes. Even the men of Carn Dum, cartoonish as they are, still fit the MESBG aesthetic more than they do AoS, though they are the closest so far. It's not an invalid concern, it's just a bit late.

Anyway, speculation time, do we think a new starter for a new edition might be enough for GW to finally redo the Last Alliance and make a plastic Sauron for a Siege of Barad-dur set? Or might there be a possible contractual obligation to make it War of the Rohirrim themed? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688513.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688513.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
.Mikes. wrote:
 ZergSmasher wrote:
Removing bloat would be difficult because there isn't a whole lot of bloat, other than maybe the different special strikes for different hand weapons, but honestly that adds some flavor so it should at least stay as optional rules or something.


The Noobs and Men youtube channel said they had info that one thing they'll be removing is wargear options rather than units. One example would be Galahdrim Court Guards with shields. So stuff there's no models for and possibly aren't seen in the films.
Unless I'm looking at the wrong book, they only have an option for a banner, no shields. That said...
Sgt. Cortez wrote:
 Gert wrote:
I mean there's been no evidence of it and NMNR doesn't apply to non-core games as has been proven about a billion times by now.


I'm with you on that, but apparently it doesn't stop rumormongers from naming it as literally the only change for the new edition .
...it has already happened in the past, and could theoretically be further restricted in the future depending on their plans for making certain miniatures and willingness to take let other companies fill any gaps. Plus potential considerations of game balance. Minor example: Watchers of Kârna used to have two swords (kinda but not officially resulting in them having 2 attacks), and the option for a bow. That changed to having either two swords (and two attacks), or a sword and a bow. Which happens to match what the official models have. More impactful example: Moria Goblin Prowlers used to have the choice of two-handed weapons, shields, and/or bows. Now, they have no options anymore at all - they just come with two-handed weapons by default, just like the official models do. If you converted dozens of figures for the other weapon options, or bought the alternative models made by other manufacturers that I definitely recall existing, too bad.


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Like quite a few others, I'm not a fan of the Carn Dûm figures, mainly for the antler hats and lazy stereotypical barbarian tropes (bare chest, furry leg-warmers) found in Chaos Marauders and beyond. But what strikes me even more looking at them again is their ridiculous levels of uniformity. Besides their random straps of tattered cloth wrapped around shields and weapons, and antler variants, they have the same helmets, same shoulder guards, same neck cloth, same skirts, same thigh protectors, same belts etcetera etcetera, all worn in the exact same way, aside from the banner guy and left handed warrior who are identical but mirrored. Even the named Warlord leader matches up; only the named shaman looks any different. Seems... very out of place for what they are meant to depict.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688514.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688514.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 MESBG but it still had all its rules.
Moria had chunks of its roster missing until about halfway through but still had all the rules.
Kind of puts a hole in the idea that NMNR applies across the board and not just in very rare circumstances.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688550.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688550.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
.Mikes. wrote:
 ZergSmasher wrote:
Removing bloat would be difficult because there isn't a whole lot of bloat, other than maybe the different special strikes for different hand weapons, but honestly that adds some flavor so it should at least stay as optional rules or something.


The Noobs and Men youtube channel said they had info that one thing they'll be removing is wargear options rather than units. One example would be Galahdrim Court Guards with shields. So stuff there's no models for and possibly aren't seen in the films.
Unless I'm looking at the wrong book, they only have an option for a banner, no shields. That said...
Sgt. Cortez wrote:
 Gert wrote:
I mean there's been no evidence of it and NMNR doesn't apply to non-core games as has been proven about a billion times by now.


I'm with you on that, but apparently it doesn't stop rumormongers from naming it as literally the only change for the new edition .
...it has already happened in the past, and could theoretically be further restricted in the future depending on their plans for making certain miniatures and willingness to take let other companies fill any gaps. Plus potential considerations of game balance. Minor example: Watchers of Kârna used to have two swords (kinda but not officially resulting in them having 2 attacks), and the option for a bow. That changed to having either two swords (and two attacks), or a sword and a bow. Which happens to match what the official models have. More impactful example: Moria Goblin Prowlers used to have the choice of two-handed weapons, shields, and/or bows. Now, they have no options anymore at all - they just come with two-handed weapons by default, just like the official models do. If you converted dozens of figures for the other weapon options, or bought the alternative models made by other manufacturers that I definitely recall existing, too bad.


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Like quite a few others, I'm not a fan of the Carn Dûm figures, mainly for the antler hats and lazy stereotypical barbarian tropes (bare chest, furry leg-warmers) found in Chaos Marauders and beyond. But what strikes me even more looking at them again is their ridiculous levels of uniformity. Besides their random straps of tattered cloth wrapped around shields and weapons, and antler variants, they have the same helmets, same shoulder guards, same neck cloth, same skirts, same thigh protectors, same belts etcetera etcetera, all worn in the exact same way, aside from the banner guy and left handed warrior who are identical but mirrored. Even the named Warlord leader matches up; only the named shaman looks any different. Seems... very out of place for what they are meant to depict.


As far as i'm aware, there's never been a single description of how the men of Carn Dum actually looked. So barbarian is just as valid as anything else.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688555.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688555.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
 Gert wrote:
Arnor didn't have any models on sale for this entire edition of MESBG but it still had all its rules.
Moria had chunks of its roster missing until about halfway through but still had all the rules.
Kind of puts a hole in the idea that NMNR applies across the board and not just in very rare circumstances.


Well, I'd say that's a different case than options that never existed as models, like horses for some units or weapons and shields. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688559.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688559.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60

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For Chaos-tainted Marauders I can accept it, but LotR is a more grounded setting on the whole, at least for humans. Plus that aesthetic is really common, whereas fully clothed northern barbarians are weirdly rare. Pretty much just Frostgrave and historicals.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688589.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688589.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688656.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688656.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688659.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688659.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
 lord_blackfang wrote:
Here's another stereotypical barbarian that looks like he wandered in from a different game


Yeah, there's no difference between the Haradrim designs and the Carn Dum stuff.

If you're blind, that is.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688666.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688666.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I doubt that. All that's going to come from that is characters, there's not much else unit wise the movie could add. And Rohan vs Dunland doesn't make for a very exciting launch.


I mean they could actually redo the basic Rohan forces, then do Royal Guard and Dunland in plastic. But we all know that isn't going to happen.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688667.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688667.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688677.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688677.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
SamusDrake wrote:
Just wondering if War of the Rohirrim might be a separate game, being anime in style. Maybe a board game?


I doubt that. GW have historically put very little effort in their board games.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688678.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688678.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
 His Master's Voice wrote:
Yeah, there's no difference between the Haradrim designs and the Carn Dum stuff.

If you're blind, that is.


The only difference is one (the Warhammer looking one with the ridiculous back banner, I might add) was in the movie so in your mind it's canon and the other one isn't. There's nothing outrageous, stylistically, about Carn Dums. Although I'd agree with the folks saying the sculpts are too uniform.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688683.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688683.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
 Da Boss wrote:
Heh. I know the game is based on Weta's designs, but personally I am happy to ignore the ones I don't think fit with Tolkien. Which includes all of the Minas Tirith in plate armour! I think Middle Earth should look like historical figures for the human factions, with some minor differences.

I had no idea we had in RL [checks notes] 5673 year old elven craftsmen and dwarves created by literal god of smithing to learn stuff making from. Or, on evil side, literal demigod of smithing even older than said elves who was trying to innovate any advantage for literally millenia. Go figure.

If anything, the 'RL' look is riduculously stupid and 'properly' done Tolkien should approach AoS levels of weird. From different direction, perchaps, but claiming it would have anything in common with medieval times when the culture is drastically different and worst periods of Middle Earth collapse are peanuts to Europe of the time is just silly. For all their faults, Hobbit movies at least tried to give the universe more justice than LotR did, maybe they went in the wrong direction in places but it's still improvement on muh blandrilizm of Gondor and Rohan.

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
Like quite a few others, I'm not a fan of the Carn Dûm figures, mainly for the antler hats

Why?

If these bother people so much, you can (gasp!) try incredibly difficult maneuver of clipping them off. Novel concept, I know

But what strikes me even more looking at them again is their ridiculous levels of uniformity. Besides their random straps of tattered cloth wrapped around shields and weapons, and antler variants, they have the same helmets, same shoulder guards, same neck cloth, same skirts, same thigh protectors, same belts etcetera etcetera, all worn in the exact same way, aside from the banner guy and left handed warrior who are identical but mirrored. Even the named Warlord leader matches up; only the named shaman looks any different. Seems... very out of place for what they are meant to depict.

Why?

No, seriously, for all the muh rilizm complains people seem to have completely wrong ideas on the past. Manufactures mass producing goods date literally to stone age, never mind famous examples of Ancient Egypt, Greece, or Rome. Then there is factor of not just practicality, but fashion, people wore similar stuff just because they thought it looked nice. They are not nobles or some rich dandies trying to look differently on purpose, they are warriors using most efficient gear they have on hand.

Especially seeing they are also an army organized by above demigod of smithing and his chief lackey, people who would organize supply of gear to their soldiers while wasting no time customizing it. If anything, you'd expect even more standarization, stopped only by the fact of their extreme remoteness to the main industry base in Mordor. Do you complain about Roman swords and armor being identical? If not, why, Roman army was organized by far less controlling and micromanaging bosses and yet somehow they did manage it...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688694.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688694.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688714.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688714.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
 Irbis wrote:
Spoiler:
 Da Boss wrote:
Heh. I know the game is based on Weta's designs, but personally I am happy to ignore the ones I don't think fit with Tolkien. Which includes all of the Minas Tirith in plate armour! I think Middle Earth should look like historical figures for the human factions, with some minor differences.

I had no idea we had in RL [checks notes] 5673 year old elven craftsmen and dwarves created by literal god of smithing to learn stuff making from. Or, on evil side, literal demigod of smithing even older than said elves who was trying to innovate any advantage for literally millenia. Go figure.

If anything, the 'RL' look is riduculously stupid and 'properly' done Tolkien should approach AoS levels of weird. From different direction, perchaps, but claiming it would have anything in common with medieval times when the culture is drastically different and worst periods of Middle Earth collapse are peanuts to Europe of the time is just silly. For all their faults, Hobbit movies at least tried to give the universe more justice than LotR did, maybe they went in the wrong direction in places but it's still improvement on muh blandrilizm of Gondor and Rohan.

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
But what strikes me even more looking at them again is their ridiculous levels of uniformity. Besides their random straps of tattered cloth wrapped around shields and weapons, and antler variants, they have the same helmets, same shoulder guards, same neck cloth, same skirts, same thigh protectors, same belts etcetera etcetera, all worn in the exact same way, aside from the banner guy and left handed warrior who are identical but mirrored. Even the named Warlord leader matches up; only the named shaman looks any different. Seems... very out of place for what they are meant to depict.

Why?

No, seriously, for all the muh rilizm complains people seem to have completely wrong ideas on the past. Manufactures mass producing goods date literally to stone age, never mind famous examples of Ancient Egypt, Greece, or Rome. Then there is factor of not just practicality, but fashion, people wore similar stuff just because they thought it looked nice. They are not nobles or some rich dandies trying to look differently on purpose, they are warriors using most efficient gear they have on hand.

Especially seeing they are also an army organized by above demigod of smithing and his chief lackey, people who would organize supply of gear to their soldiers while wasting no time customizing it. If anything, you'd expect even more standarization, stopped only by the fact of their extreme remoteness to the main industry base in Mordor.
Do you complain about Roman swords and armor being identical? If not, why, Roman army was organized by far less controlling and micromanaging bosses and yet somehow they did manage it...
Erm... even based on the rather limited knowledge we have on Romans (and even less for many other tribes and cultures), there was quite a bit of variation at any one time, with e.g. older and newer helmet styles and variants of body armour around at the same time based on archeological finds, not even counting the more ritualistic variation with several command staff wearing quite different gear again.

Every single dude in the Carn Dûm army having the exact same gear to me gives the impression they have no history, no tradition, no culture. They don't have individual characteristics, while for instance showing off personal feats of arms is an extremely common feature in warrior-societies. They have no gear passed down generations, even their leader has nothing setting them apart from any others. In a tribe of 10 people, I would not expect all of them to wear the literal exact same clothing, and presumably the clan is a tad bigger than that. If armed by the Witch-king, I don't see why the helmets (even ignoring the subsequently attached antlers) would be so ornate, or would not resemble the Orcs' gear more (which would actually be an interesting and thematic look: tribal humans with scraps of Orc gear). Extreme uniformity works for Isengard's Uruk-hai, which look brutal, industrial, because the point is that their whole army was created in one place, from scratch, in a short period of time. Perhaps acceptable in other organized nations with central manufacturing and distribution of weaponry, like Gondor. Entirely logically absent elsewhere, like Rohan, Dwarves (Durin's Folk plastics), Harad. Here, it's just a lazy design brief of "barbarian" executed lazily. I'm not even claiming they're AoS sculpts, because at least most of those have some elements that make them feel like Warhammer sculpts (the Carn Dûm figures could have been released by dozens of companies for dozens of miniature lines, they are terribly generic barbarian sculpts), and at least the Darkoath Marauders aren't effectively clones of each other.

Like quite a few others, I'm not a fan of the Carn Dûm figures, mainly for the antler hats
If these bother people so much, you can (gasp!) try incredibly difficult maneuver of clipping them off. Novel concept, I know
Why the f would you even imagine I would buy some overpriced FW miniatures I dislike almost every square millimetre of, to then having to modify them to actually look less awful?

Well, at least one good thing came from this: I'm now quite keen on converting some human figures with Orc bits as a potential alternative to this lot. Oathmark Orcs and Frostgrave Barbarians might be a good starting point, or historicals for the humans if going for a less fantasy look... Hmm...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688727.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688727.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
 lord_blackfang wrote:
 His Master's Voice wrote:
Yeah, there's no difference between the Haradrim designs and the Carn Dum stuff.

If you're blind, that is.


The only difference is one (the Warhammer looking one with the ridiculous back banner, I might add) was in the movie so in your mind it's canon and the other one isn't. There's nothing outrageous, stylistically, about Carn Dums. Although I'd agree with the folks saying the sculpts are too uniform.

The Haradrim designs are obviously based on a stereotype, but they have a design much more consistent with the climate they hail from. If you look at the model range, only the camel riders even have much exposed flesh despite coming from a hot desert region.

The Carn Dum models hace nice, warm clothing appropriate to their northern, mountainous home... except over most of their torsos. Why? How does that make sense? Do their nipples have magical frostbite protection? I'd actually prefer it if they were less clothed and more Conan-esque, because at least being almost entirely naked suggests a complete disregard for the cold of their homeland, rather than mostly dressing up nice and warm except for their core! It isn't about the decoration, they just look inconsistent.

There are details I actually really like, like the mace looking aesthetically like the weapon of the Witch King. But the core models are just a let down.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688729.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688729.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 There are loads of good reasons for this. For example it might just be a way for them to honor and show loyalty to a powerfull warlord they follow and wear his symbols with pride. Or psychological warfar when the opponents instantly recognise them as servants of the witch king (and who knows, it might be easier to point out to the orcs not to kill the guys with antlers).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688730.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688730.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
 Da Boss wrote:
Tolkien never describes any character as wearing plate armour in the books only ever mail. But go off if you like irbis, it is always funny to read.


Not 100% true. There is a passage (I'd need to remind myself where) where he does use the word plate in relation to Gondor. But it's been a debated subject for years.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688731.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688731.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
 lord_blackfang wrote:
There's nothing outrageous, stylistically, about Carn Dums.


They're half naked mountain men with horns on their helmets. They're entirely outrageous by the standards set out by Jackson's depiction of LotR, especially since we already have Wildmen and Dunlendings.

And even if you're willing to gloss over the outlandish design, the technical execution makes them look out of place even next to the Easterlings, who are themselves fairly out there in terms of human design.

 Irbis wrote:


If anything, the 'RL' look is riduculously stupid and 'properly' done Tolkien should approach AoS levels of weird.


You sound like a Rings of Power writer.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688734.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688734.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688738.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688738.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688739.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688739.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688741.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688741.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60


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 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
That sounds like the spot. But again, it's one of those things that because it's there, there's always a possibility that they did actually have it. It's like the Balrog with wings debate. It will always be argued on both sides with no one ever getting a true answer.


I will cede that point! But I am happier with an aesthetic that is closer to the Dark Ages, because that is what I imagined when reading the books as a child. Which I suppose is no issue at all - there is a wealth of Dark Ages and Early Medieval kits to choose from these days, and nice and cheap too. And people who prefer the more fantastical or weta-inspired designs have their choices too.

We're lucky to live in such a great time for collecting miniatures!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688743.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688743.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688829.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688829.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
 His Master's Voice wrote:
They're half naked mountain men with horns on their helmets. They're entirely outrageous by the standards set out by Jackson's depiction of LotR,


And you're entirely certain that you've seen Jackson's films?

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Wearing iron helmets and pants while skipping on any chest protection is absurd. The only other combatant we see doing this in Jackson's LotR are the Uruk Berserkers, and they're barely sentient lunatics, not an actual culture of people that should know better.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688910.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688910.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 LotR films but the Carn Dum guys really lean on the Warcraft-styled proportioning and nonsense leather armour.
The mahud at least is simply a bannerman dedicated to riding the oliphaunt, so the back banner isn't too much of a hindrance, and the armour looks like a fantasy interpretation of something plausible.

Part of the reason I enjoy the film's aesthetic is that it's got a lot of historical and real world inspirations in the equipment. The fantasy comes from the anachronistic flairs that come together to make the costuming, and there aren't many fantasy settings that do this. Maybe the ASOIAF TV series also.

Contrast this to how easy it is to find pauldron-fetish and muscley barbarian fantasy settings I think it's a nice change of pace to a lot of alternatives. I'm more impressed when someone makes a swish looking plausible set of armaments than another super detailed thing mashed together.

Shout out to Dark Souls/Elden Ring for showing a nice example of doing their own thing, with some allowances such as...gigantic weapons. And a lot of the stuff in the Witcher games is great too.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688922.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688922.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 IRL but definitely attested to. antlers? not in combat IRL but attested to for some of the ceremonial garb. (bare chests or even outright nudity in battle was something they did to signal their bravery and toughness)

and the celtic aesthetic is a good place as a start given that the native culture of Eriador is heavily Celtic coded in all the bits we see. "carn Dum" seems to be derived from old Gealic words for "mountain fortress", lots of other palce names in Eriador are of celtic origins, their barrow Mounds are basically those of the celtic britons, the description of their history as given by Bombadil is basically that of the bronze age and iron age celtic cultures.


it's also a good choice given that the peter jackson version of Numenorian aesthetics is heavily Roman, making Arnor a thematic analog to Roman Brittania in much the same way that Gondor was the thematic analog to the Byzantine Empire.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688926.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688926.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 yeah celts had some odd ways, like going completely naked painted white with the hair up to scare opponents, but those still used big shields which was the main armour of that time, and this was only one state/tribe located in today Turkey (so much for the climate)

and yes, there are descriptions of bare chests celts fighting the romans but still wearing a wool cloak (and a big shield in battle) because of the climate

and mail was never the primary armour, it was a back up for everything that passes past the shields (usually the pointy stuff, hence mail because this helps there the most) and everyone used a larger shield to fight (they became smaller over time the better the body armour became, and were gone once full plate armour replaced them)
so going without body armour but just the shield was common, fighting naked not so much outside the hot climates

Carn Drum is not fantasy celtic, this is fantasy Stone-Age or what Hollywood think the Stone Age was (which for some reason must have lasted till 1500 in Europe on how movies portray the "Barbarians") or Conan the Barbarian style fantasy but nothing related to history]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688962.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11688962.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
SamusDrake wrote:
Just wondering if War of the Rohirrim might be a separate game, being anime in style. Maybe a board game?


I don't know if this was answered in amongst all the arguing about armour, but GW have said on FB that the style will match the current miniatures. So it'll just be the characters / units from the film added to what we have already]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11689008.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11689008.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
Vorian wrote:
SamusDrake wrote:
Just wondering if War of the Rohirrim might be a separate game, being anime in style. Maybe a board game?


I don't know if this was answered in amongst all the arguing about armour, but GW have said on FB that the style will match the current miniatures. So it'll just be the characters / units from the film added to what we have already


Oh, I see. It'll be interesting to see the difference.


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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/08/11/sunday-preview-don-your-hunting-rig-and-enter-hive-secundus/]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11689027.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11689027.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11689229.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11689229.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 GW and the player base.

Plus a new starter box means new plastics! If GW wants this to be a headline release I'd expect them all to be new (Rob has already confirmed on FB that the style will match the current GW models) which is a good excuse for updated Rohan models and new Dunland. Hopefully enough for Dunland to be a full stand alone faction. Worst case we get a box with the old Rohan models and new Dunland stuff, as GW would never do a starter box with resin models.

Jay has also hinted on FB that the new edition is more about "improvement and clarity" so shouldn't include major changes. Both Rob and Jay love the game and as extremely active in the UK scene, so I think its in safe hands. I'd like to see the less used heroic actions reworked, monsters buffed and all the scenarios refreshed. Will be interesting to see what happens LL with the new armies of... books. Maybe time for a clean slate for them all?

As for Angmar, love all the new sculpts except the new darkoath, sorry Carn Dum warriors, who as many have already said, look like they walked in from a different game with a lazy fantasy trope design. As the whole Angmar release cycle was probably meant for 2023, the new supplement is unlikely to be compatible with the new edition. Only buy it if you want the scenarios! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11689241.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11689241.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
 Fergie0044 wrote:
Rob has already confirmed on FB that the style will match the current GW models


Well, that could be good, if they're like some of the newer plastic characters, or bad, if they're like the Carn Dum.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11689257.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11689257.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11689261.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11689261.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Men_of_Carn_D%C3%BBm

The Men of Carn Dum seem to be done using the game "The Lord of the Rings: War in the North" designs.

I hadn't heard of it, but its from 2011.

But that's irrelevant to my own dislike.
The models look like clones.
The same exact mannequin put into different poses, with pieces of equipment mirrored across bodies.
The only details that actually change are the ragged edge of some, but not all, cloth, and the helmet antlers look to have a couple variations.
They feel like some of the early single or two-part plastics from the 90's.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11689527.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11689527.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11689536.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11689536.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
Huh, that is actually quite interesting, hadn't expected that was the origin of much of the design.


Chances are the guy that was tasked to model these miniatures read the exact article for an inspiration ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11689566.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11689566.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11689598.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11689598.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
Sgt. Cortez wrote:

Chances are the guy that was tasked to model these miniatures read the exact article for an inspiration


I think it's more likely the design was okayed by the licence holder at the time the game was being made and was subsequently given to GW when they asked about doing Angmar content.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11689637.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11689637.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Arnor cavalry p.59.Osgilliath scenery box p.60
Longstrider wrote:
The Carn Dum Men don't really do it for me the reasons mentioned above, but I am really hoping the new edition will see some more new plastic units released. I imagine characters probably sell better and don't irritate people who already have old minis, but I'd really like to see some old units move into plastic.


Which old units do you refer to? Majority of the unders are plastic. And most of then fine plastic.

The only units I can think if that NEED plastics are the Finecast Gundabad Orc and Mirkwood Armoured Elves.

If they do more plastic kits I hope it's replacing the garbage Finecast Commands and Characters.


Also, the Carn Dum Men scream FW resin to me.
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But I imagine they'd want to stick to movie stuff more than their own concepts, and also I gather that most people are interested in named characters and unique rules rather than nameless warriors and captains, so I get the focus on stuff that'll sell better than my proclivities.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11689672.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11689672.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63 GW takes the new edition.

If the game gains popularity again I can see some of the Hobbit film finecast warriors being done in plastic to make them more accessible. But the reason they were done in finecast in the first place was the lacklustre performance of the MESBG following the second and third films.

Plastic Khand and Far Harad is a pipe dream. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11689760.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11689760.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63
Anything is possible but I highly doubt those more elite units will get plastics. I would bet redone FW models before plastics are more likely, like they did with the Dol Amroth Knights.

We have had years of hardly any release so I'm happy to hear what they do with the game and will be haply with whatever they release.

It would be nice to see them redo any and all Finecast models first and foremost.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11689876.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11689876.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63 https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/08/15/the-road-goes-ever-on-and-on-the-next-edition-of-middle-earth-strategy-battle-game/]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11690082.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11690082.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63
hand weapons back to 1st edition in effect with the special strike stuff gone, could easily have been restricted to heros only but whatever

adding the Intelligence stat makes sense, one wonders if in time a "willpower" stat and maybe something related to "leadership" could go against it..

spreading the range of fight values is a good thing and if they are mucking about with profiles is something long overdue

never saw what was complicated with the "in the way" test, indeed its the most sensible cover mechanic in any GW game, dumbing it down so it can be "improved" again next time with different results?

overall reasonably positive, though its invalidating a hell of a lot of books, and oh look they are bringing the "Legends" concept for stuff they don't currently make models of

oh joy]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11690086.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11690086.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11690089.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11690089.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11690090.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11690090.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11690092.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11690092.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63 LL becoming this standard way to build armies is harder to gauge, will need to wait and see how it's implemented.

Glad they are being up front about Angmar not being made for the new edition so people can make an informed purchase.

Not a big fan of all the "non-film" stuff being shunted into their own book. Makes me worried about the Legends removals and how big that's going to be. Is it everything without a model for sale? How does that work with MESBGs rotating range? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11690093.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11690093.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63 Leaning into legendary legions, Fight Value creep and more fiddly special rules for models are all quite unappealling to me.

Does 'modern' design mean cluttered with layers of exception based rules?

Also notable they've increased the number of books needed to play the game - up to 4 books from the Blue Book era when you could happily play with the mini-rulebook.

I also won't be surprised if finecast models end up being the main targets for being 'legended'. It is a failed technology, clearly. Amazing they kept it up for so long, though it has always had it's apologists.

Also ambivalent about new releases being focused on the new animated feature.

I see little to convince me to buy anything here, and will probably continue to use older books.
Edit: kudos to them for being honest about the Angmar supplement, though it is crazy they are announcing it at the same time and it will be valid for so little time!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11690095.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11690095.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I don't think in the way is complicated, more the fact that virtually no one ever used it. which is perfectly fair to be honest.


pretty much every single game here, heros behind a screen of plebs, or moving up behind walls etc to dilute archery. most of the time it is a 4+ (which it still will be), didn't see what was complicated about seriously solid stuff being a 3+ and softer stuff a 5+. indeed seemed one of the easier bits to remember

the idea that all lists are now legendary legions, all get some "special rule" just for turning up seems to be going the way of what made 40k a few editions ago into a gork awful mess with the daft "formations", will have to see how it works out - if they actually do it properly so the same model can have different costs in different lists specifically because of the "free" rules then it could work nicely. I half suspect it will be a bit more lazy but will wait and see

also to be honest the idea that currently you can decide to run a pretty basic force, no named heroes just a few captains and some basic bods appeals, hopefully this is still easy to do]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11690100.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11690100.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63
chaos0xomega wrote:
So uhh... what are we thinking ends up on that legends list?


Cynic in me suspects anything they’ve not made a great effort to stock or lines which haven’t received attention in a long time- Khand, Far Harad come to mind immediately.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11690102.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11690102.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63

Sad to see MESBG follow the aos and 40k trend. This Game Will stop being middle earth strategy Battle Game to become Tm approbed products from the movies fighting each other. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11690112.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11690112.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63
 Da Boss wrote:
Hand weapon change is good. In the Way I don't really care about too much.
Leaning into legendary legions, Fight Value creep and more fiddly special rules for models are all quite unappealling to me.

Does 'modern' design mean cluttered with layers of exception based rules?

Also notable they've increased the number of books needed to play the game - up to 4 books from the Blue Book era when you could happily play with the mini-rulebook.

I also won't be surprised if finecast models end up being the main targets for being 'legended'. It is a failed technology, clearly. Amazing they kept it up for so long, though it has always had it's apologists.

Also ambivalent about new releases being focused on the new animated feature.

I see little to convince me to buy anything here, and will probably continue to use older books.
Edit: kudos to them for being honest about the Angmar supplement, though it is crazy they are announcing it at the same time and it will be valid for so little time!


The fight value adjustment is severely needed. There is no reason why a character like Azog should be going toe to toe with Aragorn and Boromir.


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Legendary legions were cool as more limited versions of the general army lista that were straight out weaker but allowed you more freedom. Them being the default its not good.


Sad to see MESBG follow the aos and 40k trend. This Game Will stop being middle earth strategy Battle Game to become Tm approbed products from the movies fighting each other.


I always enjoy "sky is falling" posts.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11690125.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11690125.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63
zombie_sky_diver wrote:I'm sorry, I wasn't thinking elite, non-movie units.

Anything is possible but I highly doubt those more elite units will get plastics. I would bet redone FW models before plastics are more likely, like they did with the Dol Amroth Knights.

We have had years of hardly any release so I'm happy to hear what they do with the game and will be haply with whatever they release.

It would be nice to see them redo any and all Finecast models first and foremost.


Oh for sure. I know it's a pipe dream, but I really am one of the people who'd rather have more plastic troops and don't care about characters that much. Still, there are film things like Iron Hills and the other Last Alliance loadouts that could work, even before we get to the non-movie or rarer stuff. Regardless, I'm pretty keen on this particular update and I'll continue to keep an eye on new releases for it. I've a friend who will be happy to get it back on the table, at least.

Re: the article today, some interesting takeaways. It seems quite clear that whatever logistical challenges they've had clearly affect MESBG as much as anything else; I'm certain the plan wasn't for Angmar to come SO close to the new edition that they'd have to apologise up front for it.

Losing the special strikes seems like a good move to me - I don't really think the game is so granular as to warrant distinguishing between generic hand weapons on many models. In the way I could take or leave; it's just abstracting a thing - particularly vulnerable or beloved characters could have some defensive penalty or bonus instead.

I'm not sure where I'll land about the army list thing - it was already a negative to me that there's such an overwhelming focus on special characters and moments and turning all lists into legendary legions risks exacerbating that, but as long as there's some options to not take major named characters that'll be fine for me - or my friend and I will just decide when we want to play a nameless scrimmage and only take captains and low level characters for those. But it does seem like gamers and pop culture at large in the moment are in a Main Character phase for now, so it's probably the appropriate decision.

The fight adjustment could go well or poorly - if it just creeps upwards then it's a missed opportunity, but if an actual wider spread if accompanied by better accounting for those differentials so armies and models play differently, that could be a good thing.

The legends thing seems like it would be less of a problem here? At least in my experience the folks I see playing MESBG tend to be less invested in meeting tournament standards to begin with, though of course for collectors hoping for this or that model to come back MTO this might mean some models never returning. On the other hand, MAYBE it's an opportunity for more people to creatively interpret their vision of Middle Earth, or follow along with someone else's vision. If GW no longer sells Khand, say, there's any number of ways to interpret Khand from the books, whether you want to go for GW's pseudo-mongol look or read Variag + Wainrider as some sort of Baltic Pagan or Gallic vibes, so there are tons of model options.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11690153.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11690153.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63
 Galas wrote:
Legendary legions were cool as more limited versions of the general army lista that were straight out weaker but allowed you more freedom. Them being the default its not good.


Sad to see MESBG follow the aos and 40k trend. This Game Will stop being middle earth strategy Battle Game to become Tm approbed products from the movies fighting each other.


Oh my god... you should consider keep playing current version or start another system. It is possible, you can. I stopped playing WHFB, never touched ToW, and now I am playing KoW and I am very happy with it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11690157.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11690157.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63
 Shadow Walker wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/08/15/the-road-goes-ever-on-and-on-the-next-edition-of-middle-earth-strategy-battle-game/


A day may come when I feel the need to change editions from the Big Blue Book...but it is not this day.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11690166.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11690166.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11690178.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11690178.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63
"Dark have been our games of late..."

"Your gaming group would remember their old strength better if they read their big blue book."]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11690190.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11690190.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11690200.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11690200.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63 40K or AoS teams so I'm optimistic things will shake out in a good way.
I should take the chance to get some of the current books while I still can, especially the way of the ringbearer was always intriguing, it just lacks a translation. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11690202.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11690202.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63
 Elevenses wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
So uhh... what are we thinking ends up on that legends list?


Cynic in me suspects anything they’ve not made a great effort to stock or lines which haven’t received attention in a long time- Khand, Far Harad come to mind immediately.


But that basically describes most of the potential contents of "Armies of Middle Earth" at that point? To the point until they explicitly mentioned the legends/legacy stuff I expected that book to get the legends label.

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 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
New riders of the dead in plain sight?
I suspect not, as there were only two rider sculpts and they've only used two there. And if they are new, then they've been waiting in the wings for a long time as that pic has been used on warcom articles a few times in the past and clearly predates the plastic King of the Dead, as they use the metal version there.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11690250.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11690250.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11690272.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11690272.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63
Longstrider wrote:
Spoiler:
zombie_sky_diver wrote:I'm sorry, I wasn't thinking elite, non-movie units.

Anything is possible but I highly doubt those more elite units will get plastics. I would bet redone FW models before plastics are more likely, like they did with the Dol Amroth Knights.

We have had years of hardly any release so I'm happy to hear what they do with the game and will be haply with whatever they release.

It would be nice to see them redo any and all Finecast models first and foremost.
Oh for sure. I know it's a pipe dream, but I really am one of the people who'd rather have more plastic troops and don't care about characters that much.
Spoiler:
Still, there are film things like Iron Hills and the other Last Alliance loadouts that could work, even before we get to the non-movie or rarer stuff. Regardless, I'm pretty keen on this particular update and I'll continue to keep an eye on new releases for it. I've a friend who will be happy to get it back on the table, at least.
I'm not sure where I'll land about the army list thing - it was already a negative to me that there's such an overwhelming focus on special characters and moments and turning all lists into legendary legions risks exacerbating that, but as long as there's some options to not take major named characters that'll be fine for me - or my friend and I will just decide when we want to play a nameless scrimmage and only take captains and low level characters for those. But it does seem like gamers and pop culture at large in the moment are in a Main Character phase for now, so it's probably the appropriate decision.
While I'm happy to see Finecast sail off into the West, I would be perfectly fine to just have the minis that had metal variants return in metal, release FW resin for the other characters, and focus on troops for plastics. I only need one Gandalf the White, and actually 99% of the time don't need any Gandalf the White, while I would love to have, say, a few dozen Men-at-Arms of Dol Amroth with pikes that do not bend like the metal or Finecast ones unavoidably did. Plastic troops feel far more useful than plastic characters, and I don't think that's just the feeling because that's how the game used to be.

In terms of game terms, I'm also very much with you, and have long hoped (but also long since given up hope) to for instance see more options for generic characters rather than more named characters. As soon as I expanded from LotR SBG (as it was known) to WHFB (6th ed), I liked how named historical characters were barely used (often cool models converted into generic lords riding dragons or somesuch), but generic ones had all the customization including optional special rules. Given the setting for Middle-earth, I would not want the option for generic Istari, or some rando Elven lord with powers rivalling Galadriel, but always thought it would be fun if instead of relying on named characters for special rules, you could, say, turn a Dwarf Captain into a Dwarf Ranger captain (reducing its armour, but gaining Mountain Dweller and the option for a Dwarf long bow), or give an Orc some poisoned attacks, or a weak Master of Battle rule, or just an extra point of Will (each probably limited to one upgrade/Captain and once per army or so). Anyway, instead every GW game I vaguely follow seems focussed on the reverse indeed, with bloody Primarchs and Lords of Terra wandering around in 40k and Helmawr's daughter in Necromunda. Sure, SBG started as a game to follow the Fellowship on its journey, but the point of playing points-match games instead of book/movie scenarios is to fight the battles we didn't see but could have happened - restrictive Legendary Legions and endless named characters make the world feel smaller, while promoting interesting generic heroes (even more so for factions where the books provide no named characters, like Harad, Moria, Easterlings, instead of making up new ones) feels more interesting to me too.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11690330.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11690330.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63
 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
Certainly won't be mourning the loss of special strikes, one of the worst additions to the game during the Hobbit era from both thematic, gameplay, balance and various other perspectives. But things like their removal and overhauling every profile in the game while including a new stat on the profile for the first time since the game's start (probably?) is quite a bit of a bigger change than I had anticipated. Introducing a legends/legacy concept feels the most problematic however. I would be surprised if those will continue receiving updates in the long run, which rarely bodes well.

In terms of game terms, I'm also very much with you, and have long hoped (but also long since given up hope) to for instance see more options for generic characters rather than more named characters. As soon as I expanded from LotR SBG (as it was known) to WHFB (6th ed), I liked how named historical characters were barely used (often cool models converted into generic lords riding dragons or somesuch), but generic ones had all the customization including optional special rules. Given the setting for Middle-earth, I would not want the option for generic Istari, or some rando Elven lord with powers rivalling Galadriel, but always thought it would be fun if instead of relying on named characters for special rules, you could, say, turn a Dwarf Captain into a Dwarf Ranger captain (reducing its armour, but gaining Mountain Dweller and the option for a Dwarf long bow), or give an Orc some poisoned attacks, or a weak Master of Battle rule, or just an extra point of Will (each probably limited to one upgrade/Captain and once per army or so). Anyway, instead every GW game I vaguely follow seems focussed on the reverse indeed, with bloody Primarchs and Lords of Terra wandering around in 40k and Helmawr's daughter in Necromunda. Sure, SBG started as a game to follow the Fellowship on its journey, but the point of playing points-match games instead of book/movie scenarios is to fight the battles we didn't see but could have happened - restrictive Legendary Legions and endless named characters make the world feel smaller, while promoting interesting generic heroes (even more so for factions where the books provide no named characters, like Harad, Moria, Easterlings, instead of making up new ones) feels more interesting to me too.


Yeah, pretty much agreed all around. I'd LOVE the option to have a captain and then do some very low-level alterations to them - customising from a small list of options to just make them more in-line with being a nameless person but MY nameless person is right up my alley. One of the rather surprising things I've found myself enjoying in TOW is the ability to build my characters and unit champions, but it is ALSO a sign of just how much I've fallen into Inane Internet Meta that I can't stop myself from worrying about what "the best" is. Just something I need to retrain myself out of. But it's also clearly true that if there are options the temptation to metagame and optimise will arise.

But yeah, my main concern with the move to turning everything into these Movie (or book) Scene (TM) lists is that it's going to become more like Star Wars Legion or the like. It's one thing with MCP or Shatterpoint where the whole point is to have saturday morning cartoon fights, but when MESBG or SWL pitch themselves as wider in scope, and yet we just have Aragorn and Darth Vader leading around every gang of 30 dudes, it wears thin on me. Making the world smaller is a good way to put it, IMHO. But I also understand that this is very much Old Man Yells at Clouds at the moment, so I don't really expect that GW cater to my desires specifically. The basic ruleset is good though, and over the years there's been enough work put into it that using the rules with our own settings or characters remains pretty attainable, even if my friend and I have to hack together the occasional houseruled unit.

Pikes in plastic in general would be great. Galadhrim Guard (I never even bothered to open the awful finecast blister I got) are unlikely as an elite, but Dol Amroth Pike are just normal warriors, though it'd then be weird to have one of the Gondorian fiefdoms and not the others. But again to me it's a bit of a non-issue. If models like the Lossarnach and Lamedon troops go out of production but have legends profiles, it's much easier for those of us not roped into The Games Workshop Hobby (TM) to treat the Gondorian realms interpretively, whether as early Eastern Roman themes or as medieval western feudal vassals or what have you.

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personally I seldom used them, largely because I forgot, I was going to make cards but never got around to it

will see how it all ends up, its I think GWs best game, and the fact its changed so little shows its one they got right in the first place really, at a guess the marketing bods left it alone.

trouble is there are so many damned good games out there now, and so little time. I hope this remains perfectly possible to play at a low model count with reasonably generic heroes, the stuff going off just to the side of "that flash git who gets the glory"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11690703.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11690703.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/08/18/sunday-preview-the-blood-angels-descend-and-war-comes-to-angmar/?fbclid=IwY2xjawEvCDVleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHdAu9zUFDlPcoAE3Y2M_gykicAUUgCnHAUSxSiXWSHmnhRF-2nv4EhR8Fw_aem_e00F0wcgjdgqG4VDCxyigA

Unfortunately, no trolls yet. But a big amount of returning stuff along with the new.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11690869.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11690869.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11690911.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11690911.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11690923.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11690923.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/08/20/middle-earth-strategy-battle-game-designers-reveal-what-to-expect-from-the-rise-of-angmar/]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11691268.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11691268.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63
Am I wrong and I just missed something?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11691296.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11691296.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I would be interested to see if he actually returns in metal.

It does say all in metal, which is nice, I might get him/it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11691297.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11691297.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63 LL sound tasty]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11691301.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11691301.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11691349.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11691349.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63
Or sooner?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11691437.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11691437.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11691457.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11691457.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11691543.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11691543.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11692177.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11692177.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11692202.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11692202.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63
zombie_sky_diver wrote:
Well I'm a bit disappointed. The re-release of Gûlavhar is actually resin, not metal. The pre-order preview last week said he would be metal.


They never specified what material he'd be, the section on "All of these products are in metal" was after the consolidated unit sets for rangers and Arnor, not the assorted character packs

Anyway, it really is just the oldest story in the game, but man, those prices for the warbands. Other than Arathorn and Halbarad, they're all Direct Only too, so not even a third party discount can save them. Real shame.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11692206.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11692206.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63
 Tim the Biovore wrote:
Anyway, it really is just the oldest story in the game, but man, those prices for the warbands. Other than Arathorn and Halbarad, they're all Direct Only too, so not even a third party discount can save them. Real shame.
It's been a while since I've been properly (unpleasantly) surprised by GW pricing, but this release wave managed it. Which is funny in a way, because the prices are perfectly in line with (some) other kits in the range; it just stands out more when seeing a full release wave together (been a while for Middle-earth...), a wave that combines old sets I remember the prices of back in the day (now re-released at prices closer to those of OOP figures on eBay than pure inflation increases), and new Forge World sets of several characters or groups of troops (which while proportionally cheaper than individual characters, still look bad due to the sheer magnitude of the pricetag). I guess some Old World releases have been similar, but some of those seemed to incorporate some pleasant surprises too, with bundled units of figures being almost reasonable in their prices - no luck of that here.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11692214.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11692214.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63
RazorEdge wrote:
I hope with the new Edition, Rohan gets new Core Models.


The upcoming film is pretty much Rohan taking center stage, so I'd say that this is very likely.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11692244.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11692244.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63 GW will make a push towards more plastics if the film takes off and demand returns?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11692246.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11692246.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63
they have written that the new heroes will fit the old plastic lines, no need to write that if we are going to see new core plastics

new plastics for new factions or new units that are in the movie but not a replacement of the old
(though I hope I am wrong)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11692262.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11692262.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63 My bet is, the film will NOT be a such a great success and we'll have to wait until new live action film The hunt for Gollum hits cinemas to see a new wave of mass interest.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11692299.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11692299.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63
chaos0xomega wrote:
Do we think GW will make a push towards more plastics if the film takes off and demand returns?


The new film will be a moderate success at best. It's an anime about a fairly obscure part of Middle Earth history, coming after Rings of Power divided the fanbase and barely left a dent on the mainstream.

I doubt it's going to have a massive impact on the size of the game's user base, the main benefit to it is providing new content for the existing fans.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11692304.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11692304.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63 MESBG again with a handful of new tWotR heroes & source book.

I doubt we'll even see much in the way of a range refresh for the new film, there isn't much they can do when when the films tone is very firmly anime in style and they can't really base new models on actors. Basing models on the look of the new aesthetic would be wildly different to the current 'realistic' tone of the game and would flop terribly. At most we might see things like a new Rohan rider kit which would still lean towards the look of the live action films.

I think GW are more likely to play it safe with this release and just bring a box set/bundle of old models, with one or two forgeworld models refreshed to coincide the movies release & use the movie logo. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11692312.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11692312.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63 GW got a license to do a Dune game based on the MESBG ruleset based on the Denis Villeneuve films.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11692341.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11692341.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63
zombie_sky_diver wrote:
Well I'm a bit disappointed. The re-release of Gûlavhar is actually resin, not metal. The pre-order preview last week said he would be metal.

Actually he is metal according to the website. "This multipart metal kit contains 8 components and 1x Citadel 60mm Round Base."

Given his size, that model has gotta be pretty heavy in metal. Assembling it might be frustrating too, especially if you're like me and hate pinning (I'm always afraid I won't get it lined up right).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11692349.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11692349.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63
 ZergSmasher wrote:
zombie_sky_diver wrote:
Well I'm a bit disappointed. The re-release of Gûlavhar is actually resin, not metal. The pre-order preview last week said he would be metal.

Actually he is metal according to the website. "This multipart metal kit contains 8 components and 1x Citadel 60mm Round Base."

Given his size, that model has gotta be pretty heavy in metal. Assembling it might be frustrating too, especially if you're like me and hate pinning (I'm always afraid I won't get it lined up right).


Someone with a listing of being a GW specialist games employee on their facebook said that the resin post was a copy paste error from when the kit was last made in resin and that the store listing should be metal. I wasn't 100% convinced this was fact, as I didn't think GW employees were allowed to make claims on social media any more and I didn't know who he was (I don't actually play MESBG at all or care about their rules. I've just collected the minis for use in other games) so take the info with a pinch of salt. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11692358.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11692358.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63
 ZergSmasher wrote:
zombie_sky_diver wrote:
Well I'm a bit disappointed. The re-release of Gûlavhar is actually resin, not metal. The pre-order preview last week said he would be metal.

Actually he is metal according to the website. "This multipart metal kit contains 8 components and 1x Citadel 60mm Round Base."

Given his size, that model has gotta be pretty heavy in metal. Assembling it might be frustrating too, especially if you're like me and hate pinning (I'm always afraid I won't get it lined up right).
Yeah, he's not particularly massive but those wings are heavy! I recall some cursing when repositioning them to be more horizontal, making them even less stable...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11692397.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11692397.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63
 Mallo wrote:


Someone with a listing of being a GW specialist games employee on their facebook said that the resin post was a copy paste error from when the kit was last made in resin and that the store listing should be metal. I wasn't 100% convinced this was fact, as I didn't think GW employees were allowed to make claims on social media any more and I didn't know who he was (I don't actually play MESBG at all or care about their rules. I've just collected the minis for use in other games) so take the info with a pinch of salt.


many, many GW people post on facebook, it's just that most ignore the worst parts of facebook groups. However, most of the Middle-earth team actively plays MESBG so post pretty regularly. I believe the person confirming Gulavhar is metal that you're talking about Rob Alderman, who is the lead designer/head of specialist games, for MESBG (along with TOW and BB), who actively participates (along with the other MESBG designer Jay Clare and some of the sculptors as well) on Great British Hobbit League, which is basically the semiofficial FB group for SBG content. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11692461.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11692461.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63
I'm not crazy, it 110% definitely said Resin when the release first went up. They probably corrected it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11693083.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11693083.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63 https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/08/29/wulf-brings-the-lord-of-the-rings-the-war-of-the-rohirrim-to-middle-earth-strategy-battle-game/





So it begins.


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Which is interesting. If the movie is well received, MESBG might be getting a shot in the arm in terms of new players.

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Bit difficult to care at this stage. Model is alright. Not exactly Dunlending aesthetics in my book, but that's not the sculptor's fault. Does have a certain "if Gríma Wormtongue was a warrior" vibe, with the hair, fur, and dark colours.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11693199.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11693199.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11693200.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11693200.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63
Better than the Carn Dum guys, I like that he's quite slender.

The design is still slightly busy but he's a faction leader rather than a regular trooper so I think it's fine, and not a million miles away from SBG's general look.

He'll probably be out of my price range though!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11693216.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11693216.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11693218.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11693218.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11693232.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11693232.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63
 His Master's Voice wrote:
It just occurred to me that, aside from all the other things that bother me about this miniature, the dude looks like Tommy Wiseau.


Would you say its tearing you apart]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11693409.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11693409.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63
CaptainKlang wrote:


Would you say its tearing you apart


It's not tearing me apart it's not oh hey CaptainKlang.

Okay, maybe it's tearing me apart a little...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11693428.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11693428.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/09/01/sunday-preview-the-children-of-the-great-horned-rat/?utm_source=CUSTOMERS&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=WH_1st_September_Preview_&utm_content=&utm_term=]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11693914.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11693914.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63 Got mine solved already, though.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11693922.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11693922.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63
Sgt. Cortez wrote:
After all these years they actually do a useful composition of an easterling phalanx Got mine solved already, though.

Actually they did a MTO of those models a few years ago and I grabbed 2 sets. Back then they were relatively reasonably costed too (well, for GW anyways). I shudder to think what they're going to charge for them now.

As for the rest of this MTO, I already have the Heroes of the West and the Orc Captains, but I wouldn't mind having the metal Minas Tirith Command guys. I think I'll probably give them a miss though, I've got to keep a somewhat tight rein on my wallet for the near future at least.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11694015.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11694015.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63
Though i'd not say no to another Phalanx of Easterlings....


Sgt. Cortez wrote:After all these years they actually do a useful composition of an easterling phalanx Got mine solved already, though.
It's absolutely criminal that you only get four pikes in the plastic warriors box. Whole bloody box should be pikes. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11694020.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11694020.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63
Nothing here that interests me though - I would go for Galadriel if they had the better sculpt, as the one for general sale is pretty bad imo. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11694051.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11694051.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63
 Snrub wrote:


Sgt. Cortez wrote:After all these years they actually do a useful composition of an easterling phalanx Got mine solved already, though.
It's absolutely criminal that you only get four pikes in the plastic warriors box. Whole bloody box should be pikes.

In fairness, the scope of MESBG is small raiding parties, which is an environment where sword and board is very useful. Pikes can be a bit of a liability in small unit skirmishes (although some 16th century writers do actually highly rate pikes in a one-on-one duel).

Not great if expanding up to War of the Ring-sized games though, pikes and spears would predominate there. Although I suppose they could be aiming for something a bit like the pre-Marian Roman legion, with swordsman in the front ranks and spear-armed veterans at the rear.

Edit: the Easterling polearms are halberds in a historical sense, but broadly speaking the above is unchanged in that swords with shields are particularly useful in raiding.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11694068.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11694068.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63
 Da Boss wrote:
Nothing here that interests me though - I would go for Galadriel if they had the better sculpt, as the one for general sale is pretty bad imo.
Ok, out of genuine interest, what's wrong with this sculpt?



 Haighus wrote:
In fairness, the scope of MESBG is small raiding parties, which is an environment where sword and board is very useful. Pikes can be a bit of a liability in small unit skirmishes (although some 16th century writers do actually highly rate pikes in a one-on-one duel).

Not great if expanding up to War of the Ring-sized games though, pikes and spears would predominate there. Although I suppose they could be aiming for something a bit like the pre-Marian Roman legion, with swordsman in the front ranks and spear-armed veterans at the rear.

Edit: the Easterling polearms are halberds in a historical sense, but broadly speaking the above is unchanged in that swords with shields are particularly useful in raiding.
Oh shush shush. Stop bringing your Historically accurate hogwash into this.

The Easterling rules in regards to their weapons is a bit inconsistent though. Just enough to annoy me. The captains get an Easterling Glaive which is treated as a Hand-and-a-half Axe. The war priests get a Battle Stave which can be used as a spear or an axe. And the warriors get their Pikes which is just a double length spear (despite being visually identical to the captains weapon and very similar to the war priests weapon.
Could just not have just had them all the same? The battle stave seems to have the rules that suit the look of the weapon best, pokey on the end with a big bladed chunk metal for hacking at people. The Easterling pikes also aren't nearly long enough to be proper pikes (which normally wouldn't bother me so much as it's a 28mm war game so the proportions are generally a bit skew-wiff, but the other factions that have pikes (Uruk-hai and Dol Amroth both have very long pikes, so I'm prepared to make a point of it.) and so it seems odd to me that they'd be given those rules when the battle stave rules just suit it so much better. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11694076.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11694076.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63
 Snrub wrote:
The Easterling rules in regards to their weapons is a bit inconsistent though. Just enough to annoy me. The captains get an Easterling Glaive which is treated as a Hand-and-a-half Axe. The war priests get a Battle Stave which can be used as a spear or an axe. And the warriors get their Pikes which is just a double length spear (despite being visually identical to the captains weapon and very similar to the war priests weapon.
Could just not have just had them all the same? The battle stave seems to have the rules that suit the look of the weapon best, pokey on the end with a big bladed chunk metal for hacking at people. The Easterling pikes also aren't nearly long enough to be proper pikes (which normally wouldn't bother me so much as it's a 28mm war game so the proportions are generally a bit skew-wiff, but the other factions that have pikes (Uruk-hai and Dol Amroth both have very long pikes, so I'm prepared to make a point of it.) and so it seems odd to me that they'd be given those rules when the battle stave rules just suit it so much better.


The Glaive issue will presumably disappear with the new edition, since it's obviously a fudge to make special strikes relevant for the Captain, and special strikes be dead.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11694082.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11694082.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63
 Snrub wrote:
 Da Boss wrote:
Nothing here that interests me though - I would go for Galadriel if they had the better sculpt, as the one for general sale is pretty bad imo.
Ok, out of genuine interest, what's wrong with this sculpt?


.


Galadriel looks like Noel Fielding and Calaborn looks like he's trying to figure out who farted.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11694101.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11694101.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63
It's not awful but not worth what GW are charging for it. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11694102.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11694102.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63
 .Mikes. wrote:
Spoiler:
 Snrub wrote:
 Da Boss wrote:
Nothing here that interests me though - I would go for Galadriel if they had the better sculpt, as the one for general sale is pretty bad imo.
Ok, out of genuine interest, what's wrong with this sculpt?


.


Galadriel looks like Noel Fielding and Calaborn looks like he's trying to figure out who farted.
That's the paintjob, not the sculpt. Looks rather a bit better on the model, or painted here, here, here, here, or here .

The Galadriel sculpt is pretty excellent and the only one I feel captures Blanchett's likeness (although I'm not sure if I've seen both Hobbit-era sculpts in the flesh - but I have yet to see painted versions that make them look appealing); however, the pose certainly isn't ideal aside from specific dioramas. The first White Council sculpt with scary-mirror appearance is more fun for battles, but is very coarse compared to the delicate original sculpt.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11694112.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11694112.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63
 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
 .Mikes. wrote:
Spoiler:
 Snrub wrote:
 Da Boss wrote:
Nothing here that interests me though - I would go for Galadriel if they had the better sculpt, as the one for general sale is pretty bad imo.
Ok, out of genuine interest, what's wrong with this sculpt?


.


Galadriel looks like Noel Fielding and Calaborn looks like he's trying to figure out who farted.
That's the paintjob, not the sculpt. Looks rather a bit better on the model, or painted here, here, here, here, or here .

The Galadriel sculpt is pretty excellent and the only one I feel captures Blanchett's likeness (although I'm not sure if I've seen both Hobbit-era sculpts in the flesh - but I have yet to see painted versions that make them look appealing); however, the pose certainly isn't ideal aside from specific dioramas. The first White Council sculpt with scary-mirror appearance is more fun for battles, but is very coarse compared to the delicate original sculpt.


That last one actually really looks like Cate Blanchett, it's impressive.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11694123.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11694123.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11694137.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11694137.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63
AND NEW, ACTUAL NEW WARRIORS OF ROHAN

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/09/22/hobbit-day-reveal-the-lord-of-the-rings-the-war-of-the-rohirrim-battle-of-edoras-starter-set/?utm_source=CUSTOMERS&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=WH_22nd_September_Battle_of_Edoras_&utm_content=&utm_term=]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11697966.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11697966.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11697968.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11697968.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63
I /hope/ this means some more archaic kits get an update, but even if they're SOL without a standalone film to warrant the investment, it's very good for Rohan and Isengard/Dunland at least ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11697969.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11697969.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11697972.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11697972.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11697974.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11697974.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63
The Wildmen would have been great, if they weren't breakdancing.

The characters are mostly meh, except for Haleth on foot. Mounted Hama might look better from a different angle.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11697984.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11697984.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11697987.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11697987.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11697988.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11697988.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63
 frankelee wrote:
That's a fun little starter set. Now I'm wondering if they'll price it to grow the game, or price it to abuse existing fans like they did Battle of Osgiliath. I don't think new Tolkien-derived movies and TV shows are going to have a cultural renaissance, but I could see a place in the tabletop market for the game to grow into.


Content looks to be about £260 retail so at £130 (price of Osgiliath) it would be a generous deal by GW standards.
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Osgiliath was about the same, two troop boxes, sub out one of the characters for the troll, a book and scenery (2 osgiliath ruins, so the same value).

The numbers have to go up to appease the shareholders so I'm guessing £140-150]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11698050.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11698050.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63 GW...

The rest looks good though.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11698052.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11698052.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:




That mounted model be like...

Spoiler:
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 His Master's Voice wrote:
It just occurred to me that, aside from all the other things that bother me about this miniature, the dude looks like Tommy Wiseau.


LOL oh man, cannot unsee. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11698078.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11698078.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11698089.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11698089.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63
 His Master's Voice wrote:
Most of the Warriors are decent enough, and seem to be roughly the same size as the Perry ones judging by the bases, but I'm not sure how well they're going to blend with the existing range. The sculpting style is noticeably different.


Actually, judging from the base size and if my math has not failed me, the troops are noticeably larger (30mm vs. 28mm head-to-toe, Haleth seems to be 32-33mm).

Whether that is an issue is up to individual taste, obviously.
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 treslibras wrote:

Actually, judging from the base size and if my math has not failed me, the troops are noticeably larger (30mm vs. 28mm head-to-toe, Haleth seems to be 32-33mm)


I assumed the new warriors use the same bases, and eyeballing them in Photoshop seems to indicate roughly the same heigh for the models.



If I got it wrong and GW really made them that much bigger, established players won't be able to match those into their collections, and new players will be forced to reinforce them with midgets from a bygone era. The only way it would make sense if GW suddenly decided they want to refresh everything in the range, and that's not happening.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11698103.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11698103.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
new models look decent enough, given how old some of the previous ones were (we have players with models older than themselves) some new was worth it.

I just hope its not just the stuff in the box refreshed and then off they go into made up stuff]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11698106.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11698106.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
leopard wrote:
a few locally have muttered about just sticking with the current edition and not bothering with the new one. may change over time but a fair few have a good chunk of the books

new models look decent enough, given how old some of the previous ones were (we have players with models older than themselves) some new was worth it.

I just hope its not just the stuff in the box refreshed and then off they go into made up stuff


Yeah, going from the Hobbit treatment it's well possible we only get plastic for things from that movie and afterwards it's business as usual. (Which could mean new Mumak and Haradhrim going from the trailer, which I'm not opposed to).
However, back in the day when the Hobbit was released the lotr game came out of a phase of being unsupported for years, while nowadays we already have realeases every couple of months. So... there's already a stronger framework they're starting from, maybe they can use that to give us a bit more. (New Goblins anyone?) ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11698107.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11698107.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 GW do (as opposed to the very small group stuff let Necromunda), a vastly better system than 40k or AoS

amusing for this that have taken out the special attacks which the previous version put in, a rule that was basically optional and only really made sense in specific situations but has now been memory holed for all

it would be nice to get a gradual update, ideally models that do work well alongside older ones]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11698112.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11698112.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
I also love Oathmark multipart plastics - just enough modularity to convert stuff or make characters, but still easy to assemble.

GW modern multipart monopose is really the worst of all worlds, and to my eye, at the tabletop, the difference in model quality is not really that great. These ones do look good, though very busy for the Wild Men.

But I think I'm an outlier here, and I've had a long time to get my hands on all the old monopose plastics I want, so I am genuinely happy for the people who want the range refresh.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11698122.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11698122.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
While happy to see it (the models look nice; and I have always liked the Rohirrim aesthetic), I now realize this finally sets a precedent that does create more hope (and possibly disappointment) for updated Last Alliance plastics etc., even though I am aware that these are exceptional in being movie tie-ins, and are not directly comparable to other old plastics in that sense.

The Rohirrim look good, though I am surprised by the seemingly entire lack of any customization - not only likely lacking command parts, but building fully duplicate figures if the picture is not misleading. It will be easy enough to cut and exchange parts, but the picture implies even the shields aren't interchangeable, let alone heads and weapons, which feels like a missed opportunity.

The Dunlendings are fine, certainly miles ahead of the other recent barbarians, though I would prefer them slightly less shabby looking - even when poor and evil, you can still have a weapon that looks like it isn't too blunt to cut butter, or a shield that falls apart from a strong breeze. Anyway, that's probably down to the source designs regardless. A pretty cool kit likely further improved with some brighter paintjob and perhaps some different (possibly looted) gear. Always thought Dunlendings should be fairly sympathetic in theory, and a more complete stand-alone army (with plastic core troops) will help get them on the table.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11698134.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11698134.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
Updated plastics, oh my!

While happy to see it (the models look nice; and I have always liked the Rohirrim aesthetic), I now realize this finally sets a precedent that does create more hope (and possibly disappointment) for updated Last Alliance plastics etc., even though I am aware that these are exceptional in being movie tie-ins, and are not directly comparable to other old plastics in that sense.

The Rohirrim look good, though I am surprised by the seemingly entire lack of any customization - not only likely lacking command parts, but building fully duplicate figures if the picture is not misleading. It will be easy enough to cut and exchange parts, but the picture implies even the shields aren't interchangeable, let alone heads and weapons, which feels like a missed opportunity.


To be fair that's always been the case with lotr minis. Easterling Cataphracts might be the only exception . Back in the day they said it was because of the license. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11698136.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11698136.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 GW, often the contrast in aesthetic quality between the newer mini vs older makes them unusable in the same army.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11698138.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11698138.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 GW paint job is toned down into something more appropriate for MESBG.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11698141.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11698141.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
leopard wrote:
I just hope its not just the stuff in the box refreshed and then off they go into made up stuff

The "made up stuff" line always amuses me when we're talking about a fantasy setting...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11698165.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11698165.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Dysartes wrote:
leopard wrote:
I just hope its not just the stuff in the box refreshed and then off they go into made up stuff

The "made up stuff" line always amuses me when we're talking about a fantasy setting...


this is real damn you

*shakes fist*]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11698199.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11698199.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 Helm Hammerhand makes his debut



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I guess if you want a Helm Hammerhand and aren't a fan of the new aesthetic, best grab the FW character now before he goes out of stock for good]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11699571.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11699571.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 GW's model looks a bit like an angry Santa.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11699572.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11699572.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Santtu wrote:
GW's model looks a bit like an angry Santa.


Yeah, my first thought was Santa Claus is coming... to punch you in the face!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11699577.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11699577.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11699578.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11699578.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11699579.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11699579.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Santtu wrote:
The movie version of Helm looks like a martial arts master, which is a pretty weird interpretation of the source material. GW's model looks a bit like an angry Santa.


Okay, this is all they had to say! I sold on him! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11699581.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11699581.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11699591.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11699591.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Dryaktylus wrote:
Santtu wrote:
GW's model looks a bit like an angry Santa.


Yeah, my first thought was Santa Claus is coming... to punch you in the face!


Santa Hats are pretty easy to sculpt.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11699597.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11699597.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11699609.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11699609.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11699617.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11699617.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 can kill a man with a single punch, you'd still have to be a real window licker not to bring an actual weapon into battle.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11699619.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11699619.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Lord Damocles wrote:
Even if you can kill a man with a single punch, you'd still have to be a real window licker not to bring an actual weapon into battle.


Spoken like a true non-warrior]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11699636.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11699636.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 IIRC Helm from the books did go around killing Easterlings with his bare hands.

I think he's a nod to Beowulf, who fought barehanded, and who Tolkien was well acquainted.

I don't hate the model but it's not quite what I imagined - mostly because I imagined him cloaked and hooded due to the bitter winds of the Fell Winter, and I would have imagined a more taciturn kind of expression on his face. Also not so old. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11699641.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11699641.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11699642.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11699642.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
I know there's a FW mini already but I'm not a huge resin fan and would love to just get a Plastic kit for him like we've seen with other Leaders in Rohan.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11699654.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11699654.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11699682.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11699682.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
All the characters are a miss. Minis aren't bad per se, but bad guys don't fit the setting at all (white haired general Targg makes me laugh, sooo Tolkien-esque ).

Haleth and Hama are fine, but most if not all Rohan miniatures, characters and warriors, have their legs protected by armour from waist almost to the feet (scales, mail or leather). It make sense to protect legs when fighting from horseback. These two are an exception. They died probably because of it

Wild Helm might look better after head swap.

On the other hand, the new Rohan Warriors and Dunlendings are very tempting.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11699689.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11699689.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11699691.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11699691.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 FW interpretation of him though.

 .Mikes. wrote:
Looks like I need to 3d print an accordion.
Oh please, yes, do.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
He looks like a wizard who only knows Fist
Do love me a good muscle wizard.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11699717.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11699717.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Santtu wrote:
The movie version of Helm looks like a martial arts master, which is a pretty weird interpretation of the source material. GW's model looks a bit like an angry Santa.


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https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/mfhcj1x3/frecatm-lord-of-the-west-march-leads-the-charge-in-middle-earthtm-strategy-battle-game/

I like this guy, he's got a lot of character, especially around the face.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11703082.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11703082.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
So now we've seen all the major players from the events surrounding them, are we expecting any other characters? Fréaláf maybe?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11703155.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11703155.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11703158.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11703158.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69

December is too far away... ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11703162.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11703162.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63
 Shadow Walker wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/08/15/the-road-goes-ever-on-and-on-the-next-edition-of-middle-earth-strategy-battle-game/


So this article has disappeared as far as I can tell... was going back to relook at what it said about the whole "legending" thing as I couldn't remember what it said about model lines/factions been ended. Anyone recall how they phrased it?

I've always had Far Harad on my "to do" list and conscious the new edition is getting closer, so I may want to pick up some of the models before they disappear (maybe?)...
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 His Master's Voice wrote:
Man, those new character designs really lost me.

Likewise sadly. At least, the snowman. I'm sure I can work around that and enjoy the new rules.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705084.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705084.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63
Piousservant wrote:

So this article has disappeared as far as I can tell... was going back to relook at what it said about the whole "legending" thing as I couldn't remember what it said about model lines/factions been ended. Anyone recall how they phrased it?



I recall them saying there 3 books. Two for models solely based on the Movies, one Lord of the Rings, one The Hobbit. A 3rd book for extended... presumably Rise of Angmar, Defense of the North... exc.

Then there was a blurb that mainly mentioned PDF's and Rise of Angmar being obsolete on release of new editon. They said a PDF will be out asap with the edition release. Then there was a sentence that mentioned an additional PDF for Legendary models no longer available and/or no longer consodered part of the 3 books depending on how you interpret it.

What that could be... well... they also clearly mentioned they will be removing some models to make way for new. With that said, for all we know, they could be eliminating some current models like your Far Harad and making them Legendary. The Far Harad line was previously missing from the web order page.

If I had to take a guess, those legendary models could be things like Black Numenorians, Fiefdom Men at Arms, Mordor and Gondor bolt thrower, Watchers of Karan... exc. Things no longer available.

But that's all just guess work. Time will tell.

Honestly, I'm just happy to see anything as I had bets on GW ditching the license and ending the game line.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705447.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705447.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/t7mylyut/lord-thorne-of-the-woldtm-defies-his-liege-helm-hammerhand-in-the-middle-earthtm-strategy-battle-game/

FW resin. I had a feeling that anything outside of the core box (characterwise at least) was going to end up resin.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705529.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705529.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705540.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705540.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
I really like the sculpt for this guy, though I'd still like to see more angles.

Gideon, why the surprise at FW resin? There are only a small minority of characters in plastic, and there hasn't been any real indication of that changing in recent times.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705541.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705541.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705543.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705543.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705625.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705625.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705627.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705627.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705636.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705636.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Dysartes wrote:
...a film based upon a war between two human factions is boring because it has generated miniatures of human characters?


Have you not seen the trailer? A giant eagle, a wounded war-elephant and even the Watcher itself makes an appearance. I get that War of the Rohirrim will obviously live up to it's name, but the trailer also shows a fantasy adventure as well. SBG didn't just sell itself on a bunch of orcs and human'n'elf soldiers alone - The Cave Troll, the Balrog, the Watcher and the chilling Black Riders.

Not saying they shouldn't show these characters but we need a bit more than Father Christmas after a visit to Gold's Gym and...whoever this bloke is. So far the only thing to be impressed about is the new Rohan sculpts...



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SamusDrake wrote:

I get that War of the Rohirrim will obviously live up to it's name, but the trailer also shows a fantasy adventure as well.



Yeah.... it's no Krull though is it?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705642.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705642.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 .Mikes. wrote:


Yeah.... it's no Krull though is it?


Now there was a fantasy film!

But seriously, its not just The Vikings on the other hand. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705680.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705680.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Rise of Angmar. p.63
zombie_sky_diver wrote:
Piousservant wrote:

So this article has disappeared as far as I can tell... was going back to relook at what it said about the whole "legending" thing as I couldn't remember what it said about model lines/factions been ended. Anyone recall how they phrased it?



I recall them saying there 3 books. Two for models solely based on the Movies, one Lord of the Rings, one The Hobbit. A 3rd book for extended... presumably Rise of Angmar, Defense of the North... exc.

Then there was a blurb that mainly mentioned PDF's and Rise of Angmar being obsolete on release of new editon. They said a PDF will be out asap with the edition release. Then there was a sentence that mentioned an additional PDF for Legendary models no longer available and/or no longer consodered part of the 3 books depending on how you interpret it.

What that could be... well... they also clearly mentioned they will be removing some models to make way for new. With that said, for all we know, they could be eliminating some current models like your Far Harad and making them Legendary. The Far Harad line was previously missing from the web order page.

If I had to take a guess, those legendary models could be things like Black Numenorians, Fiefdom Men at Arms, Mordor and Gondor bolt thrower, Watchers of Karan... exc. Things no longer available.

But that's all just guess work. Time will tell.

Honestly, I'm just happy to see anything as I had bets on GW ditching the license and ending the game line.


Ah, thanks - I couldn't remember how explicit they were on stuff going OOP. We'll just have to wait and see I guess - and move quickly to grab anything I need if/before it goes OOP!

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Even now, over a decade on, I still don't own more than Escape From Goblin-Town on principle ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705721.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705721.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 Nope, a load of stuff is going going (at least until a future MTO...) some is repacks with specific models gone.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/vozvvb0g/middle-earthtm-strategy-battle-game-the-upcoming-range-update-explained/

Better buy some Far Harad whilst I can!
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With some luck though, the removal of the fourth hero from the commander sets might bring the core captain, standard and musician back in metal, which I'd consider a win ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705737.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705737.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
In fact I fething hate it. A pox on you whatever decision maker gave this the go-ahead.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705740.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705740.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705742.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705742.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Bit annoying as I love the models, but I don't care about their game at all. I collect the models for use for things like Oathmark and, if I ever finish the huge backlog of painting, the old war of the ring rules.

I managed to collect almost everything I'd ever want for my collection barring a handful of models- sadly a few of them are always out of stock and some of them are on the list of things to go. But thankfully most of the the middle earth stuff is easy to pick up second hand and usually when GW have these big clear outs (especially for things not long having been re-released) we do see an excess of hobby clearance sales from folks dropping the game.

I do feel bad for those that do play the game exclusively or has one of these forces that are getting dumped. The Mahud stuff only came back out a couple of years ago, and was out of stock for a good chunk of that time. A lot of folk have probably only just got their hands on it, finally got paint on them and just as they see the tabletop been told they are being squatted. Good times. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705756.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705756.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
"No movie, no rules"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705757.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705757.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 LotR films. It's a shock anything not from the films even got made in the first place.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705758.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705758.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 GWs license is via New Line. Ergo film content is fair game, anything else is probably not.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705759.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705759.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Eh, the only thing i'm really sorry about there is the titled wraiths. Never seen anyone touch Far Harad and the metal Khand chariots can go to hell and stay there. Give me proper resin or plastic for the redo's.

Well I guess I'm glad I backed the KS for STLs of Easterlings and Khand now. Real surprise on the Easterling and Dunland since they recently got those updates and resin minis.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705762.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705762.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705763.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705763.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 legionaires wrote:
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Eh, the only thing i'm really sorry about there is the titled wraiths. Never seen anyone touch Far Harad and the metal Khand chariots can go to hell and stay there. Give me proper resin or plastic for the redo's.

Well I guess I'm glad I backed the KS for STLs of Easterlings and Khand now. Real surprise on the Easterling and Dunland since they recently got those updates and resin minis.


What do you mean? There's nothing Easterling on the list. Dunland's hardly surprising as they're about to be hit with new stuff.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705766.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705766.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Gert wrote:It's a licensed game, one that was made as a tie in to the LotR films. It's a shock anything not from the films even got made in the first place.


chaos0xomega wrote:I think that's probably reflective of changes in the licensing landscape. New Line Cinema basically maintains a separate instance of the license from Middle Earth Entertainment, and GWs license is via New Line. Ergo film content is fair game, anything else is probably not.


They still sell a lot of models that weren't in the films and some not even in the books, so I doubt the licence is the reason.
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I really wish GW wouldn't play around with this Legacies stuff in their games. They know that people just don't play legacies because they want all their stuff useable anywhere they go. Could I just play with friends and ignore all of GW's stuff? Sure, but I'd have to find that group that wants to or is willing to play that way.

I feel for all the collections losing stuff, especially full factions being tossed. Big shame all around.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705773.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705773.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Dryaktylus wrote:

They still sell a lot of models that weren't in the films and some not even in the books, so I doubt the licence is the reason.

Depends on how creatively the license is being used.
Cast your thoughts back to that massive period where nothing was happening for MESBG and then a diorama got released.
I'd be willing to be that was about license negotiations seeing as we're about to hit a decade on from Five Armies being released and 20 on from RotK.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705779.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705779.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 GW inventions was that they had to be approved by the Tolkien estate as something that would be appropriate and fit within the universe, which is why they could take so long.
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So conversions are out the window]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705825.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705825.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
It brings into question the decision making and doesn't bode well for everything else ro come.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705827.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705827.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705832.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705832.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 .Mikes. wrote:
It's the inconsistency more than anything. Mauher is in the books and the film. Gildor is in the book. But Ghulavar isn't and it stays.

It brings into question the decision making and doesn't bode well for everything else ro come.
Aye, based on this I wouldn't want to trust on any particular profiles/minis surviving future updates to the game/range. Some staples of the range, of factions, even whole (sub)factions, named characters appearing in books and/or movies, all have a chance of not surviving the cull. Some not so surprising, some I had certainly not seen coming.

Appreciate the information for what it's worth, but in some ways it's not worth much - "These models are now on Last Chance to Buy, and will be available while stocks last. Head over to Warhammer.com to grab them while you can." is just a joke when so many have been unavailable for ages, either not for sale, or just permanently "temporarily" out of stock...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705836.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705836.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Ive sat on buying khand, dunlendings and mahud for a while, I'll have to pick them up before they disappear forever. Lovely sculpts.

Hopefully the massively reduced range means they redo all of the old plastic infantry.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705841.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705841.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
James12345 wrote:
A very complicated rights deal has caused this. I'm sure the creatives behind the game hate it as much as us, but probably the only way they can keep selling it.

Ive sat on buying khand, dunlendings and mahud for a while, I'll have to pick them up before they disappear forever. Lovely sculpts.

Hopefully the massively reduced range means they redo all of the old plastic infantry.


I guess we can't be 100% certain, but it seems pretty unlikely to be the rights issue given there is a whole bunch of stuff not from the movies which GW (for now at least) are going to be continuing to produce. Some of it is a little random - for instance in Serpent Horde the Haradrim King is going but the Serpent Guard are staying despite the fact they are definitely also not in the movie (or even book I would guess?). Balin is going but Durin is staying - and he's paired with Mardin, who not only isn't in the movies I'm pretty sure he's a GW invention...?

Sadly the other big change seems to be MESBG joining the disappointing NMNR as their mainstream games...


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Some of the other stuff that's going away boggles my mind. Razgush and Muzgur are only a couple of years old (they came with Defence of the North), and also doing away with all of the existing Dunland stuff seems like a bad decision (granted, those are going to be replaced with the new War of the Rohirrim models). Also, getting rid of ALL of the named Ringwraiths that aren't the Witch King? Granted, some of the ancillary characters should probably go away to reduce bloat, but this feels a bit too far.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705867.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705867.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 ZergSmasher wrote:
Also, getting rid of ALL of the named Ringwraiths that aren't the Witch King? Granted, some of the ancillary characters should probably go away to reduce bloat, but this feels a bit too far.


There are a couple of sets left that are not on the last chance to buy- one from the each of the film trilogies by the looks it.

I suspect we could see them bring out a new set if the new film flops but the new Gollum film brings more life back into the live action films again, and they decide to quietly refocus the game back to the live action side of things. Or they could bring them back on a MTO (at double the cost they are now!) ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705876.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705876.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705898.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705898.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705912.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705912.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 LotR...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705916.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705916.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
I'm not personally bothered too much because none of these are models I wanted to buy for myself (some are lovely but GW prices mean I'll look for alternatives) and maybe that attitude of mine, if more widespread, is part of why this happened.

It does re-affirm to me that playing GW games means picking the era of the game you like the best and playing THAT, with whatever models you like. Big Blue Book era with historicals for various human factions and Oathmark for the non-humans for me. Not interested in keeping up with the modern game and happier for it.

Hope people that wanted those models are able to get them without getting gouged.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705918.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705918.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 Annoyingly I missed out getting some more Mahud Raiders (don't get paid till Thursday) - didn't expect everything on LCTB to sell out within the day lol. I don't suppose knows of anywhere (UK ideally) with any of them in stock...?
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 Lord Damocles wrote:
And then the Legends churn came for LotR...


at least they have not (yet) decided to change the base size for no apparent reason]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705922.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705922.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 GW arbitrarily changing base sizes, and SBG was my safe haven.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705924.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705924.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
James12345 wrote:A very complicated rights deal has caused this. I'm sure the creatives behind the game hate it as much as us, but probably the only way they can keep selling it.
James12345 wrote:I think the deal is to do with book stuff, seems like if it's mentioned in book, but not in movie it's gone. Does seem very random wouldn't be surprised if the Tolkien estate just told them which to drop
I would appreciate a more careful wording; the first message appeared to declare as fact what is seemingly not actually known to you.

Based on the list, I interpret it foremost as a reduction of range/profile bloat. The choice of which minis/profiles to remove is then partially based on their prominence in books and/or movies, and I agree that the emphasis seems to be on the movies there: besides corner cases like Mauhúr and some of the Ithilien Rangers (who I don't think are directly named in the movies; some seem to be extras assigned names in later media based on named characters from the books), no character or type of warrior clearly featured in the movies is removed. Besides that, the main pattern seems based on which factions have a plethora of named characters, and remove some of those then. Some GW inventions are thus culled (like named Orc characters, of which there already a dozen just based on the movies, who thus remain), others are allowed to stay (like named Easterlings, who would have no named characters left otherwise). It feels particularly complex for book characters, with some prominent characters like Erkenbrand removed, while Hobbits retain their long list of named characters besides the historical Bandobras, and Gondor lose some like Anborn and Mablung, but retain the equally book-exlusive Húrin the Tall and Ingold. Being exclusive to the books or indeed SBG seems neither to definitely result in removal nor retention - but come future updates, I would not feel safe about anything being kept if it is not (prominently) based on the movies. Well, I suppose any models made in plastic get to stay too (Damrod got lucky there), but those are mainly prominent troops and heroes anyway.

I hope the War of the Rohirrim will include some interesting and fitting new troop types for Harad (who are clealy there based on the trailer), as it feels a lot of their flavour and tactical variation is removed now, losing several types of warriors (and leaving the comparatively bland Serpent Guard/Riders, who are just a minor upgrade on regular warriors/riders).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705969.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705969.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
I.e. GW can only have one of their own OC units for every two movie characters/units.

And to be honest, i don't actually mind the removal of a chunk of minor named characters. A good chunk of them were basically captain +1, which was resulting in basic captains use dropping off quite considerably. And it was starting to hit the point that all these characters were starting to get a special rule each to try and differentiate one from another.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705972.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705972.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
I can understand GW feeling the range is too bloated and it went an incredibly long time without something like this happening which I appreciate. It's the end of an era.

But I don't see any reason for a customer to see this as anything but a negative.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705980.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705980.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705983.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11705983.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11706048.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11706048.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Dawnbringer wrote:
Does anyone know how many of those being removed were only available as finecast, rather than metal? Noting the move away from finecast and that some things for Old World were brought back in metal, it may be a case that (for instance the commander packs) they are going to bring them back in metal, and the ones done in finecast are just being consigned to the dust bin.


Some, like the gundabad blackshields, have already returned in metal after a failcast period and are now axed.
Finecast should mostly be miniatures that were released in Finecast. They retransfered a lot of stuff to metal already. I think you're right in terms of the beast of gorgoroth for example. The first batches of that model were that terrible, they redid the whole thing. Still being failcast it probably didn't help much.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11706054.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11706054.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11706062.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11706062.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 GW took artistic license with their design (Tolkien himself didn't have much to say about Khand), they do exist in canon. Unlike some of the more bizarre stuff they left in, like Gulavhar.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11706120.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11706120.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 ZergSmasher wrote:
As I said earlier, I'm fine with them removing some of the more obscure ancillary characters from factions (lots of Mordor and Minas Tirith characters, for example), and I can live with them removing the named Ringwraiths just to streamline army building, but removing whole factions (Far Harad, Khand) just feels bad. Those factions are in the books, at least obscure references, and although GW took artistic license with their design (Tolkien himself didn't have much to say about Khand), they do exist in canon. Unlike some of the more bizarre stuff they left in, like Gulavhar.
What makes it especially sad is that there will be people out there whose very favourite faction was Far Harad or Khand, dedicated people who spent a small fortune collecting the fully-metal army. I assume Legacies/Legends type deals usually just keep things playable until a next update, and then they might just start being slowly removed? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11706151.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11706151.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 LotR. I mean, I could easily see a Khand horse based army being fielded as Rohan, but yes, chariots could be a problem. That said we don't know what is showing up in the future, in the way that a bunch of the Stormcast range got retired, just for new models to show up. Yes not always a 1 - 1, but when a model only has legends rules or no rules at all I think its much easier to proxy for something, as there is less confusion. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11706158.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11706158.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 GW games lotr builds on a very long legacy due to the rules being stable since 20 years. I don’t think anyone in their right mind would decline an opponent to use their khand models with either legacy rules or the rules everyone knows from prior editions (they're humans with F4 and a two handed weapon not really outlandish, Far Harad could be a more complex case, but even then, it's still lotr, rules).
What I don’t think is that any of this means models will be replaced by newer ones' but the models that appear in War of the Rohirrim. We'll end up with three versions of the movie girl but no King of Khand.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11706219.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11706219.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Unlike other GW games lotr builds on a very long legacy due to the rules being stable since 20 years. I don’t think anyone in their right mind would decline an opponent to use their khand models with either legacy rules or the rules everyone knows from prior editions (they're humans with F4 and a two handed weapon not really outlandish, Far Harad could be a more complex case, but even then, it's still lotr, rules).
What I don’t think is that any of this means models will be replaced by newer ones' but the models that appear in War of the Rohirrim. We'll end up with three versions of the movie girl but no King of Khand.


Agreed about legacy models.
The rules go back farther than some gamers have been alive.
I think it can be agreed upon for the occasions where a player wants to roll out their Chariot army]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11706228.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11706228.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 GW tournaments are there though? I wouldn't be surprised I'd most just allow legacy lists in. The Mesbg crowd are the most lore driven players there are and shenanigans are pretty much self policed among us *cough*bombadil*cough*

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11706355.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11706355.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/n1jde2dn/shanktm-wrottm-and-the-snow-troll-scavengers-from-the-white-mountains/

Orcs are fun and characterful, not so sure about the horns on the troll. But they look like they would be easy enough to leave off and green stuff over if wanted.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11708933.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11708933.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 lotr Orcs so far. The Troll could grow on me, but those orcs... both faces are pretty bad and both look comical with one being extremely skinny and the other being a naked fatty in Winter. Give me Razgush and Muzgur back that I missed to buy, they were much better than these two.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11708947.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11708947.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11708948.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11708948.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 Rings of Power, I wonder?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11708970.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11708970.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709003.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709003.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Sgt. Cortez, where are you seeing naked Orcs? At worst they're topless.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709011.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709011.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709052.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709052.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 My opinion of them may change with a better paint job, but for now, meh.

The troll though, I quite like. The horns can go as they don't suit the model at all and I think maybe adding some more fur round the head/shoulders to give it a shaggy yeti like appearance would help sell the snow troll aspect a bit more. The belts irk me a little bit, but I can get over that easy enough. I wonder if it's on a 40 or a 60mm base?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709057.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709057.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
The troll is a bit disappointing - I think the horns don't really match any description of Trolls I've read in Tolkien and I don't know what the spines on the forearms are supposed to represent. Otherwise, it's a well sculpted model with a good pose, I think it actually looks great as a non-Middle Earth model. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709154.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709154.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709168.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709168.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 LOTR lore both visually and just generally. It reminds me of a mix between Krampus and the Peter Jackson trilogy trolls.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709169.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709169.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Looks fairly light on rules changes, to the point where if it wasn't for piggy backing the new film release for marketing I'd wonder why this wouldn't be just a FAQ.

My only quibble with what we know now is why the split Int and Courage states are on a 'plus' roll, like for shooting, but with two dice and the caveat they can't drop below 3, The aim was to simplify but it just adds an extra layer. That's a minor point though.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709235.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709235.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709239.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709239.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 .Mikes. wrote:
Tonnes of leaks from the box around the internet right now, including photos of the rule book.

Looks fairly light on rules changes, to the point where if it wasn't for piggy backing the new film release for marketing I'd wonder why this wouldn't be just a FAQ.

My only quibble with what we know now is why the split Int and Courage states are on a 'plus' roll, like for shooting, but with two dice and the caveat they can't drop below 3, The aim was to simplify but it just adds an extra layer. That's a minor point though.


Care to point us towards a few?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709250.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709250.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 .Mikes. wrote:

Looks fairly light on rules changes, to the point where if it wasn't for piggy backing the new film release for marketing I'd wonder why this wouldn't be just a FAQ.

My only quibble with what we know now is why the split Int and Courage states are on a 'plus' roll, like for shooting, but with two dice and the caveat they can't drop below 3, The aim was to simplify but it just adds an extra layer. That's a minor point though.


Isn't the dropping of special strikes and such relatively major? At least in terms of a rules set that on the whole probably hasn't seen changes of that magnitude more than twice before (their introduction, and the intro of cavalry way back in 2002). I know army comp rules have come and gone, but I view that more as a tournament pack than the core rules changing.

As for the second point, I'd assume by using two dice you can get more of a variation of values (both in results and in what they can make the stats themselves).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709251.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709251.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
 .Mikes. wrote:
Tonnes of leaks from the box around the internet right now, including photos of the rule book.

Looks fairly light on rules changes, to the point where if it wasn't for piggy backing the new film release for marketing I'd wonder why this wouldn't be just a FAQ.

My only quibble with what we know now is why the split Int and Courage states are on a 'plus' roll, like for shooting, but with two dice and the caveat they can't drop below 3, The aim was to simplify but it just adds an extra layer. That's a minor point though.


Care to point us towards a few?


Google.com.au]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709257.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709257.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709258.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709258.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 tbh - it changes the rules for every model in the game!

But I am glad if the other mechanics don't change much, because the game is just really solid. I am happy that special strikes are gone because I never really liked them, but I'm probably not going to play the new edition so what I like is probably irrelevant. But on the off chance I join a community playing the new rules, I'm glad they're going in that direction.

The "all armies are legendary legions" rumour I heard is more concerning to me, if it means what I think it means. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709263.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709263.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 .Mikes. wrote:
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
 .Mikes. wrote:
Tonnes of leaks from the box around the internet right now, including photos of the rule book.

Looks fairly light on rules changes, to the point where if it wasn't for piggy backing the new film release for marketing I'd wonder why this wouldn't be just a FAQ.

My only quibble with what we know now is why the split Int and Courage states are on a 'plus' roll, like for shooting, but with two dice and the caveat they can't drop below 3, The aim was to simplify but it just adds an extra layer. That's a minor point though.


Care to point us towards a few?


Google.com.au


Sorry, Wasn't being rude, just on my phone and heading out the door when I posed that, and they are all over the place by now.

I'm kinda intrigued by the Leader X / Elite rules. Could make for some more themey lists, but to be honest the open way of making lists in the current edition was ne thing I really liked about it.

Anyhoo, I'm feeling better about the new edition than I was before.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709298.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709298.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Initial thoughts (based off nothing else other then whats here)
-Finally, Rohan get spear support! And done in a way that is sensible.
-Flaming Brand rule is cool. A nice bonus to help counter cavalry heavy armies. How effective it ends up being remains to be seen.
-On the face of it, I'm not against the new Elite unit type. A tidy way of curtailing units like Royal Guard that just were just too good not to take en-masse. Again though, how restrictive/useful it ends up being remains to be seen.
-Had a small groan when I saw the "Sv" on the profile as I thought they'd added armour saves to the game (which it totally doesn't need) but then realised they'd just split Fight and Shoot up.
-Looks like they've flipped out Courage works. I'm guessing just roll 2d6 and hit the listed value rather then the current "2d6 + Courage must = 10" method. Which with a 4+ would actually make Haleth insanely brave...


EDIT - Click to embiggen the pictures, they're MUCH clearer then what they seem here.

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 Snrub wrote:
Royal Guard



I still have those royal guard for you, btw. I'm guessing you're not going to want more now....]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709325.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709325.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
The hell is a swarm though? Crebain and bats and the like?
That'd be a safe bet. Could probably throw the Broodlings the Spider Queen spawn in there as well. Maybe even Shades?


 .Mikes. wrote:
A Swarm of hobbits..... sounds about right.
Maybe FW are working on models for the Hobbit children that chase Gandalf begging for fireworks.

I still have those royal guard for you, btw. I'm guessing you're not going to want more now....
Time will tell. I'm guessing Theoden, Theodred, Eomer and possibly Hama will all get the Leader rule. That means at least ~30 of them is still a viable list. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709330.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709330.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709370.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709370.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 GW games great.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709372.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709372.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709394.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709394.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709401.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709401.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 Hooray we're back up to army wide Defence 8 for Dwarfs. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709427.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709427.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709428.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709428.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Snrub wrote:
One thing I didn't clock earlier, that I just saw someone else comment on is that the Dunlendings have "Light Shield" rather then just "Shield" like the Rohirrim have. I wonder if they're going the route of armour/heavy armour, where light shields give +1 D, and regular shields give +2.
Hooray we're back up to army wide Defence 8 for Dwarfs.


Ha, so swords, axes, maces, flails become one thing again, but instead we get three kinds of shields now. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709433.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709433.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Would make sense. If they bring back something like the Black Guard, a Tower Shield is going to offer massive defensive over a little wooden thing.
Which, if that's the route they're taking, I'm largely ok with. It could even open up some interesting avenues for things like "heavy" shields which prevent you getting pushed back in combat or something or maybe grant the shieldwall rule. Things like the vault wardens, black guard and even arbalester would all benefit from something like that.

Also, not related to shields at all, but something that just popped into my head, I hope they bring back the Volley Fire! rule from the older editions.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Ha, so swords, axes, maces, flails become one thing again, but instead we get three kinds of shields now.
Pendulum's gotta swing! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709443.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709443.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Snrub wrote:
One thing I didn't clock earlier, that I just saw someone else comment on is that the Dunlendings have "Light Shield" rather then just "Shield" like the Rohirrim have. I wonder if they're going the route of armour/heavy armour, where light shields give +1 D, and regular shields give +2.
Hooray we're back up to army wide Defence 8 for Dwarfs.
I was thinking more along the lines of light shields allowing for use of the "Shielding" rule but not giving a defence bonus, as that might make sense for other light shields, like the Corsairs' bucklers. Was that ever a rule? Might be getting it mixed up with some intensive house rules I've played over the years.

Rohan spear rule also seems similar of something that used to exist in some form somewhere. I like it (and it makes sense given the size of their spears), though a bit finicky to keep track of like many such rules.

A clear special rule and unit type system with keywords is fine, but I think more elegant solutions are possible for some things. For instance, while I recall earlier discussions over what is or isn't a named character (a/the Balrog or Spider Queen), I think that this can be solved with a little symbol (X-Wing used to list unique pilots and upgrades with a "·" after the name - simple, clear, unobtrusive). Don't think it warrants more than that since it is pretty much only relevant for army building, and you can then have less text focussing only on relevant information, which will consequently be easier to find.

Wargear limitations look worrying and very much in line with what we've seen from the profile/range cull (removing options for which miniatures have not been produced), and aspects in other games systems. It would feel very silly if, say, Morannon Orcs could wield spears and shields simultaneously while Mordor Orcs could not, just because the models happen to be that way. It would also be very reductive in a game that since its inception has heavily featured conversions owing to the often single-piece models, sometimes lacking obvious weapon combinations (such as Mordor Orcs with spears and shields, or conversely High Elves with only spears or only shields). I hope it won't be that way for profiles that have existed and been allowed to have those weapon combinations for 20 years, but...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709498.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709498.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709524.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709524.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
With those two Characters, do you whink we will see new Common "Orcs of Middle Earth"?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709530.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709530.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
RazorEdge wrote:
Can't wait to see the new Rohan Cavalry and hope the Dunlendings get some Cavalry too!

With those two Characters, do you whink we will see new Common "Orcs of Middle Earth"?


To me the article sounded more like this was one small scene in the movie. Like, that girl from the trailer being lost in the mountains and then she meets these three. My guess is they'll stay as their own team like the three trolls.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709533.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709533.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
RazorEdge wrote:
Can't wait to see the new Rohan Cavalry and hope the Dunlendings get some Cavalry too!

With those two Characters, do you whink we will see new Common "Orcs of Middle Earth"?


Depends entirely on how successful this launch is. The hope is that it's popular enough to trigger a redo of all the old plastics. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709535.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709535.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
Rohan spear rule also seems similar of something that used to exist in some form somewhere. I like it (and it makes sense given the size of their spears), though a bit finicky to keep track of like many such rules.

The rule exists in a couple of Legendary Legions in the current rules; specifically the Defenders of Helm's Deep and I think the other one is Theodred's Guard.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709626.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709626.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709633.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709633.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Couple of new ones in there, one or two have the wording tweaked. Looks like Channellings gone too.

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Johanxp wrote:
About wargear options: they only mentioned characteristics talking about that. They cannot remove options for, let's say, high elves troops for examples. It would be a nonsense.


I hope you're right, but I wouldn't want to bet on it...


Surprised Channelling is gone - unless it just provides a straight buff to casting or something instead now? Bit of a big debuff to things like Transfix, etc though. Also minor point that there no longer is Immobilise/Transfix, so either they are listing them separately or now have the same name for Good and Evil...?
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 ZergSmasher wrote:
 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
Rohan spear rule also seems similar of something that used to exist in some form somewhere. I like it (and it makes sense given the size of their spears), though a bit finicky to keep track of like many such rules.

The rule exists in a couple of Legendary Legions in the current rules; specifically the Defenders of Helm's Deep and I think the other one is Theodred's Guard.
Ah, I never got War in Rohan (or played against people using it), but might have assimilated that info from some online discussions at some point then, cheers.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709777.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11709777.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/s5kgfcgs/sunday-preview-the-war-of-the-rohirrimtm-is-upon-us/]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11712217.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11712217.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 MESBG?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11712226.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11712226.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Wasn't following the Fellowship and Journey games when they came out, over two decades ago( well, Fellowship anyway ), but I'm assuming they had Frodo and Bilbo at launch?


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]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11712290.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11712290.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
There was a seperate Fellowship box, but the initial starter box was moria goblins vs high elves and numenoreans


Oh, I see.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11712292.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11712292.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11712300.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11712300.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 should come out at about the same price Battle of Osgiliath currently is ($360). It's not as good as value as the Pelennor Fields or Osgiliath boxes I think, given that there's no Cavalry/Monsters on either side like Pelennor and there's less terrain then Osgiliath (or at least, less useful terrain). The rulebook is also significantly less chunky (50 pages less!) then the updated Osgiliath book.
That being said, I have no doubt it'll still be a cracking deal compared to buying the sets individually, which will certainly skyrocket in price.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11712311.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11712311.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 .Mikes. wrote:
Prices in USD apparently.

Spoiler:

Here's what my FLGS posted to Facebook:

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11712312.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11712312.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 GW anyway. You do of course pay the FW tax on the resin heroes and units but...eh. Still, I'm gonna need almost 400 bucks to get the new starter and get the current versions of the Armies books, which is kind of steep all at once. I might have to spread the purchases out.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11712353.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11712353.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 GW but those prices don't look reasonable to me at all.

48 infantry, a couple of houses and fences and some heroes for a full starter is pretty stingy in my opinion. Especially compared to the previous ME SBG starters which were a good deal overall. I only didn't pick them up because I already own a bunch of the plastics that were in there.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11712394.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11712394.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 ZergSmasher wrote:
Those prices actually seem fairly reasonable, for GW anyway. You do of course pay the FW tax on the resin heroes and units but...eh.

Just to make sure we're seeing things in context here, how does $30 compare to a plastic character release these days?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11712404.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11712404.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 FW expensive. More surprised that they're not coming in double packs, as they usually go for £24 each.


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 Da Boss wrote:
Hmmm, I know it's just me being disconnected from modern GW but those prices don't look reasonable to me at all.

48 infantry, a couple of houses and fences and some heroes for a full starter is pretty stingy in my opinion. Especially compared to the previous ME SBG starters which were a good deal overall. I only didn't pick them up because I already own a bunch of the plastics that were in there.


I put it in the context of all brand new sculpts (apart from the scenery) vs one or two new models and an ass load of 20 year old kits. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11712411.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11712411.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Most tend to bounce around the £24-£26 range these days. So it's still FW expensive. More surprised that they're not coming in double packs, as they usually go for £24 each.

And on a straight currency conversion - though I'll wait for a GBP price list to confirm - $30 equates to £24, so...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11712412.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11712412.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Other base costs have the books at £40-34 and new plastics at £31.50. No FW prices though. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11712686.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11712686.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
After the Pelennor box + my pre-existing collection, I really don't need more Rohan warriors. But the hero's will make for nice generic captains and I'm really impressed by the Wildmen sculpts, so I want some of them. At 20% off, the box is still worth getting. But it's a steep price for a box of lesser content quantity then previous editions. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11712726.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11712726.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/2ifuwrwc/middle-earthtm-strategy-battle-game-key-changes-in-the-new-edition/

Like the reworking of fight values, although Aragorn seems to have a small essay of stuff for his profile. Int stat sounds like an interesting addition and the priority role changes sounds like quite a big deal. I like it though.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11712881.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11712881.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Big ol' information dump in this one:

Like the reworking of fight values, although Aragorn seems to have a small essay of stuff for his profile. Int stat sounds like an interesting addition and the priority role changes sounds like quite a big deal. I like it though.


I like the changes too, but I don't like that I bought all the cards with the previous profiles! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11712913.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11712913.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 "This has been done to ensure all models accurately represent the wargear they may carry, and so that there is no confusion mid-game."
WYSIWYG has been quite consistently applied to any events I've attended across however many editions of the game now. This change provides no clarity or benefit that wasn't there before, but just ensures any conversions deviating from the exact wargear combinations GW sells models for are no longer viable. For some armies, this could be massive. Almost all of my Mordor Orcs with spears also have shields (mainly from the convenient Warg Rider box), with just a handful missing them in case I needed to drop a few points from a list. If they are no longer allowed to have both, this creates, rather than prevents, confusion: unless I rip them all off, either they can only count as having spears (making the shields confusing) or just as having shields (making the spears confusing). Ugh.

Priority roll change could be interesting and I recall considering that change before, but not sure. I kinda liked how before it was sometimes good and sometimes bad to "win" the roll-off; now making a 50-50 roll consistently beneficial for the winner might just be worse?

Wording still seems bloated, whatever they claim. Having to say "This is a Unique piece of Wargear" for a named item listed under Wargear surely could have been communicated in fewer words. Also, using phrasing like "natural 6", and then elsewhere "on a 6 [may use Might to improve this roll]" can be fixed by just consistently using natural for unmodifiable rolls, while other rolls can then be modified, no need to list that for every individual rule (of which there might be many, if even more pieces of jewellery and named livestock get a paragraph of special rules now...).

In more positive news, the evil Rohirrim in white, black and red look nice.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11712927.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11712927.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 In the end it probably depends on a) will there be german translations, b) will the reworked profiles do stuff I really like and c) will the removal of wargear stay sensible. Making all orc heroes lose their option for a shield for example... might turn this into the captain edition . ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11712951.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11712951.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11712982.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11712982.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11712997.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11712997.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713016.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713016.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Weapon option rules I dislike.

Priority rules I also dislike, I prefer how it works now.

Redistributing Fight Values is probably a good idea if you want the game to work between the Hobbit and the LOTR. I think the mistake was the creep in Hobbit stat lines, but that damage is already done and it does need to be addressed.

But I really dislike how many special rules I see. Seems like it's just the "modern" design paradigm but I think it's pretty bad design personally, I think the stat line is fine for showing differences between units without having to resort to special rules. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713017.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713017.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
-Separation of fight and shoot is going to annoy me purely because my brain will never be able to divorce Sv from Armour Save. Also not sure why it was a required change as I don't see how it makes it more distinct. It's not like it was confusing before.
-Priority changes seem... fine. I guess? Not sure it was needed, but ok.
-Ditto for Courage.
-Intelligence also seems fine. Like, I think I see what their aim with it is but whether or not it is an actually useful addition to rules, only time and experience will tell.
-I like the idea Dominant (x). But I can foresee it easily becoming overwhelming if they just start dolling it out to everything that isn't a basic man-sized warrior, which I hope doesn't happen but won't be shocked if it does.
-Again not sure we needed scenarios going up to 20VP, but I'd not be sorry to see more varied ways of getting VP. Having the same (objective), (leader), (broken) scoring methods for each scenario did get a bit stale.

Looking at Aragorns profile. Why is he all of a sudden Resistant to Magic? I wonder what the logic behind that is.



 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
In more positive news, the evil Rohirrim in white, black and red look nice.
They look so good! Great colour combination.

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note, this is not specifically a bad thing, its already quite a good set of rules, many of these changes are quite minor but you can see the dead hand of "marketing" pushing something that requires a "reset"

so you have fight value now as two stats not one, yeah whatever. splitting courage into two actually makes a lot of sense, e.g. why was someone brave also very good at spotting someone hidden? that was more a simplification too far in the base game (40k suffered when the Ld, Wp, Cl & Int states became "Ld" in the same way). and if all the profiles are being redone anyway this makes sense

as does re-aligning fight values on a broader range

the priority thing I dislike, previously fate could really screw you over so you had to plan for it, now its "easier" in a way it didn't need to be

marketing again with the "no model, no rules!" thing is carp, pure fish based carp

"Everyone gets a special rule!".. GW need to find the induhvidual behind this and take them out behind the chemical sheds and walk back alone

also totally agree stat creep to sell the hobbit stuff caused a chunk of the "problem" they are now trying to fix

the real issue for LotR is that its actually, from the off, been a very solid set of rules, e.g. its the only set GW does that handles terrain in a sensible way. and its quite hard to then keep selling stuff

my problem is that as with Necromunda I have remarkably little desire to purchase expansions that will be invalidated in a reasonably short time frame the next time GW decide to go over all this and give Malibu Stacy a new hat

I love the game, can't see buying the new edition though, and a fair few locally have noted the same. end result is it will gradually die out]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713198.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713198.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713200.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713200.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713203.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713203.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Billicus wrote:
If "every profile has been touched" means everything gets unnecessary bloat like Aragorn's ring and horse then this is going to be a massive pain in the arse to play unless it's your only system.

Please don't talk about Aragorn's ring being bloated - it's a sensitive subject.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713205.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713205.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I really don't understand this invalidation nonsense when there's been a six year gap between this and the previous ed.


We haven't all been around for 20 years to get our money's worth. There's been a surge of new players a year ago with the big box and battleforces, and from the new printing of the core book those players rightly assumed they were safe to drop money on the force books and expansions too.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713207.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713207.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I really don't understand this invalidation nonsense when there's been a six year gap between this and the previous ed.
1 year, the last Edition was 1 year ago.
Just because it didn't saw major changes but simply incorporated FAQ/Erratas/Updates (like a new Edition of a book should be) doesn't change it

So everyone who bought into the game last year and by accident one of the removed model lines are now rightfully a little bit salty]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713215.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713215.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I really don't understand this invalidation nonsense when there's been a six year gap between this and the previous ed.


its more given how many campaign books etc there are for this, replacing them for no real reason is a needless expense - this could have been a pdf you can download to "patch" each books profiles - as well as updated copies on the shelves

plus as others have noted the most recent rulebooks were not six years ago but last year (though done sensibly without invalidating all the source books and expansions)

not to mention any stat cards people have need redoing, the semi-pointless rules bloat of more special rules for individual profiles added at the same time the special strikes were removed "to reduce bloat" etc

are some of the ideas here good? yes, some of them will seriously improve the game
does it feel like a money grab moving to the 40k/AoS model of invalidating everything on a regular basis? yes, yes it does, and it also as a result lowers confidence in the "value" of expansions etc

personally didn't even have it all, just the book, the "armies of" books, Battle companies and a pair of the source expansions.

I won't be rushing out to replace them all, or indeed any of them. changed profiles will be available from "other sources" and I would not be in the least surprised to find "unofficial" profiles in the new format for the stuff GW would prefer you to forget you bought]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713233.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713233.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713332.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713332.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 lord_blackfang wrote:
h. There's been a surge of new players a year ago with the big box and battleforces,


Source?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713376.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713376.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
leopard wrote:
the priority thing I dislike, previously fate could really screw you over so you had to plan for it, now its "easier" in a way it didn't need to be


I really don't see how this change makes much difference.

Previously (currently?), if you didn't want priority, you wanted to lose the roll.

Now (in the future), if you don't want priority, you will want to win the roll.

The probabilities don't really change.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713391.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713391.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
leopard wrote:
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I really don't understand this invalidation nonsense when there's been a six year gap between this and the previous ed.


its more given how many campaign books etc there are for this, replacing them for no real reason is a needless expense - this could have been a pdf you can download to "patch" each books profiles - as well as updated copies on the shelves


Yeah, it's around $1k of printed materials that have just been outdated, plus the buy-in to replace them being......roughly 4x $80-$100 just to get started, and we haven't even touched the potential outdating of models (fortunately I wasn't using any niche armies, so that won't be too bad, I guess not being able to get the last Orc FW hero release was a blessing).

With the cost of GW printed material being what it is, I'm leaning heavily to selling it off.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713402.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713402.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 LoTR army book has been leaked.

Here's the Contents page (Spoilered because huge!)
Spoiler:


And something that caught my eye, they're bringing back Ent variations! Although I seem to recall there being more then just four.
I don't like the restriction placed on how many of what kind you can take, but eh.. I'll take it.
Spoiler:
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713451.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713451.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713475.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713475.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 lord_blackfang wrote:
So everything is a Legendary Legion now? If it wasn't a scene in the movie, you can't have it?


I sort of get what you are saying, but some of those sound pretty generic: Kingdom of Rohan, Legions of Mordor, etc.

I'll need more info before I pass judgement. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713476.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713476.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Snrub wrote:
Looks like most of LoTR army book has been leaked.

Here's the Contents page (Spoilered because huge!)
Spoiler:


And something that caught my eye, they're bringing back Ent variations! Although I seem to recall there being more then just four.
I don't like the restriction placed on how many of what kind you can take, but eh.. I'll take it.
Spoiler:


Oh that's cool. I'll look up later how they compare with the original variants ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713478.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713478.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 lord_blackfang wrote:
So everything is a Legendary Legion now? If it wasn't a scene in the movie, you can't have it?


Frm what I understand there's going ti be another book or pdf for freer army lists and for those forces removed from this edition.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713486.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713486.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 .Mikes. wrote:
 lord_blackfang wrote:
So everything is a Legendary Legion now? If it wasn't a scene in the movie, you can't have it?


Frm what I understand there's going ti be another book or pdf for freer army lists and for those forces removed from this edition.


Both.

A book for non-movie stuff they are keeping in the range, and a PDF for non-movie stuff they are killing off.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713488.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713488.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 40k a few editions back, a special snowflake list centred around a hero or two, special rules and remarkably little concern for balance

now it could be they do it well, but prior history is not that hopeful

for how often I actually play I'm just sticking with the current edition and not bothering with the new one, still have plenty to finish painting up anyway]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713500.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713500.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Oh that's cool. I'll look up later how they compare with the original variants
Did they ever appear in any of the source books? I've got a copy from White Dwarf #282

7 Variations as opposed to the 4 listed in the new rules, although I suppose there could be more on the next page, although I somehow doubt it given how much space is left. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713503.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713503.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 WD and WD compilation.

Very different, which i'm not unhappy about to be honest. I'd rather they put more thought into it than just copy/pasted from old material. But it's nice to see further thought for the Ents.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713504.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713504.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 something." Where as the previous style actually looks like they've put some thought into what attributes a tree of the type would have and gave them a special rule accordingly.

On this occasion, I wouldn't have been disappointed to see a straight copy/paste.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713521.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713521.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/m9f0rghw/middle-earthtm-strategy-battle-game-army-building-in-the-new-edition/]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713532.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713532.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713549.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713549.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713556.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713556.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713560.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713560.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I don't really mind it. While wacky lists are amusing at times, it was always kind of odd seeing characters like Aragorn or the Witch King appearing in lists they couldn't possibly have been in and did feel gamey.


I'm all for thematic/canonically accurate lists in principle but, based purely on the examples shown, I'm just a bit concerned that they might have gone a bit too far and focusing on specific scenes strips away some player agency. For example, if say Boromir were only going to be available to Gondor as part of the Reclamation of Osgiliath list (not saying that will be the case, just an example), that seems unnecessarily reductive. Like it would remove the potential for him to be fielded alongside Citadel Guard or Fountain Court Guard; a scenario which doesn't necessarily happen 'on screen' directly but is incredibly plausible, to the extent that it would be weirder if it didn't happen 'off screen' in some capacity.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713572.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713572.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713576.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713576.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
On another note, Héra.


https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/l1m49wph/middle-earthtm-strategy-battle-game-heratm-the-bride-of-death/

Like the general pose and shield.

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JimmyWolf87 wrote:
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I don't really mind it. While wacky lists are amusing at times, it was always kind of odd seeing characters like Aragorn or the Witch King appearing in lists they couldn't possibly have been in and did feel gamey.
I'm all for thematic/canonically accurate lists in principle but, based purely on the examples shown, I'm just a bit concerned that they might have gone a bit too far and focusing on specific scenes strips away some player agency. For example, if say Boromir were only going to be available to Gondor as part of the Reclamation of Osgiliath list (not saying that will be the case, just an example), that seems unnecessarily reductive. Like it would remove the potential for him to be fielded alongside Citadel Guard or Fountain Court Guard; a scenario which doesn't necessarily happen 'on screen' directly but is incredibly plausible, to the extent that it would be weirder if it didn't happen 'off screen' in some capacity.
Da Boss wrote:Nah not for me. Especially the focus on film scenes rather than book scenes. No interest from me, think it's a terrible decision.
The exact lists and the specific focus on books scenes does feel overly restrictive, agreed.

Sure, there certainly have been many armylists from tournament players in the past that were clearly constructed for optimal game effect rather than any thematic purpose. Even if all individual profiles and points costs were perfectly balanced, this is probably unavoidable when allying in a wizard or even just some cavalry is clearly beneficial in basic gameplay and specific scenarios, to allow for things (magic, speed) that your army may otherwise lack. At the same time, there are many scenes from the books not covered in the movies, or depicted very differently. Morever, there are many plausible what-if scenarios one might want to play out in their games. Combine highly specific army lists with restrictive wargear loadouts with the recent removal of a chunk of the range, and a lot of space for creativity is lost. Some things will be improved I'm sure, but I am not so sure if this has not taken these restrictive designs too far. (Especially when many lists rely strongly on named heroes, which to me always feel more restrictive than anything: they avoid Saruman or a Nazgûl showing up in every list, but now force players to take Boromir or Théoden in their respective lists, even though Boromir surely wouldn't have been around for every single fight on every square metre of Osgiliath...)

Inquisitor Gideon wrote:On another note, Héra.


https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/l1m49wph/middle-earthtm-strategy-battle-game-heratm-the-bride-of-death/

Like the general pose and shield.

With her absence in the main box, I was starting to wonder if she would just be resin rather than plastic, as is now confirmed (unless the 2nd profile mentioned above will be represented by a plastic mini). Which seems surprising given that she very much appears to be the main character based on the trailer?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713629.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713629.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
With her absence in the main box, I was starting to wonder if she would just be resin rather than plastic, as is now confirmed (unless the 2nd profile mentioned above will be represented by a plastic mini). Which seems surprising given that she very much appears to be the main character based on the trailer?


Movie trailers have definitely never given the wrong impression before...

Also, IIRC from the old days of LotR, they tended to be given a limited number of stills and such, not the whole plot, so even if she is the protagonist it may not have come across in the material given to GW.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713672.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713672.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713673.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713673.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
 Snrub wrote:
Looks like most of LoTR army book has been leaked.

Here's the Contents page (Spoilered because huge!)
Spoiler:


And something that caught my eye, they're bringing back Ent variations! Although I seem to recall there being more then just four.
I don't like the restriction placed on how many of what kind you can take, but eh.. I'll take it.
Spoiler:


Oh that's cool. I'll look up later how they compare with the original variants



I can't see dwarven holds in there, does that mean there is no dwarf army for LotR? The list of removed models only included characters like Balin, not the normal troops so I figured we'd still see those. But from this it looks like they just can't be used at all?

Is it only in the Hobbit lists that we'll see any dwarf armies?

The kingdom of Khazad dum is still listed under LotR on the GW website....
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 Hellebore wrote:


I can't see dwarven holds in there, does that mean there is no dwarf army for LotR? The list of removed models only included characters like Balin, not the normal troops so I figured we'd still see those. But from this it looks like they just can't be used at all?

Is it only in the Hobbit lists that we'll see any dwarf armies?



I suspect they would limit the duplication across both books, so can see the dwarven armies concentrated in the Hobbit book. Noting outside the seven lords and Gimli and compatriots at the council, they aren't actually in LotR (movies) and only barely referenced in the books.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713732.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713732.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Dawnbringer wrote:
 Hellebore wrote:


I can't see dwarven holds in there, does that mean there is no dwarf army for LotR? The list of removed models only included characters like Balin, not the normal troops so I figured we'd still see those. But from this it looks like they just can't be used at all?

Is it only in the Hobbit lists that we'll see any dwarf armies?



I suspect they would limit the duplication across both books, so can see the dwarven armies concentrated in the Hobbit book. Noting outside the seven lords and Gimli and compatriots at the council, they aren't actually in LotR (movies) and only barely referenced in the books.


Did we see armies of Khazad dum in the hobbit? I suppose technically we saw their corpses in LotR, but they're not really a force that appears in either trilogy so I was expecting they'd disappear entirely. But then the hobbit has the son of Beorn? and seemingly post hobbit models that didn't appear in the film.

It's all very confusing, I'm unsure what they consider 'core' when they still include stuff that wasn't in the films...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713735.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713735.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713739.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713739.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
my understanding was they had two separate licences for the book content and movie content so they could make a range of stuff that didn't appear on screen. But Their licencing seems to have changed acronym, so no idea what they're allowed to make now.

They're removing glorfindel despite him existing in the books. I figured because he clashed with Arwen's appearance in the movie, but he could have still hung around as Elrond's best bro.

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JimmyWolf87 wrote:
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I don't really mind it. While wacky lists are amusing at times, it was always kind of odd seeing characters like Aragorn or the Witch King appearing in lists they couldn't possibly have been in and did feel gamey.


I'm all for thematic/canonically accurate lists in principle but, based purely on the examples shown, I'm just a bit concerned that they might have gone a bit too far and focusing on specific scenes strips away some player agency. For example, if say Boromir were only going to be available to Gondor as part of the Reclamation of Osgiliath list (not saying that will be the case, just an example), that seems unnecessarily reductive. Like it would remove the potential for him to be fielded alongside Citadel Guard or Fountain Court Guard; a scenario which doesn't necessarily happen 'on screen' directly but is incredibly plausible, to the extent that it would be weirder if it didn't happen 'off screen' in some capacity.


The leak has Boromir with the Leader (Citadel Guard) rule, so implies at least one list he can be in with them (it's possible the Leader rule allows access to take those models for Boromir's warband in any list he's in, that's one possible interpretation of the way they worded it in one of the articles).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713759.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713759.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Baragash wrote:
JimmyWolf87 wrote:
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I don't really mind it. While wacky lists are amusing at times, it was always kind of odd seeing characters like Aragorn or the Witch King appearing in lists they couldn't possibly have been in and did feel gamey.


I'm all for thematic/canonically accurate lists in principle but, based purely on the examples shown, I'm just a bit concerned that they might have gone a bit too far and focusing on specific scenes strips away some player agency. For example, if say Boromir were only going to be available to Gondor as part of the Reclamation of Osgiliath list (not saying that will be the case, just an example), that seems unnecessarily reductive. Like it would remove the potential for him to be fielded alongside Citadel Guard or Fountain Court Guard; a scenario which doesn't necessarily happen 'on screen' directly but is incredibly plausible, to the extent that it would be weirder if it didn't happen 'off screen' in some capacity.


The leak has Boromir with the Leader (Citadel Guard) rule, so implies at least one list he can be in with them (it's possible the Leader rule allows access to take those models for Boromir's warband in any list he's in, that's one possible interpretation of the way they worded it in one of the articles).


Looks like that's what the rule says
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 Hellebore wrote:
Ah I must have missed that bit of news. I thought they were shrinking everything down to just what happened in the movies.

my understanding was they had two separate licences for the book content and movie content so they could make a range of stuff that didn't appear on screen. But Their licencing seems to have changed acronym, so no idea what they're allowed to make now.

They're removing glorfindel despite him existing in the books. I figured because he clashed with Arwen's appearance in the movie, but he could have still hung around as Elrond's best bro.



Glorfindel's not being removed. He's on the store right now and will be in the third book.
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I didn't realise they'd made more than one if they have others for sale
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 Hellebore wrote:
They're removing at least version of him:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/vozvvb0g/middle-earthtm-strategy-battle-game-the-upcoming-range-update-explained/


I didn't realise they'd made more than one if they have others for sale


One of their best Middle Earth models IMO:
https://www.warhammer.com/en-GB/shop/middle-earth-glorfindel-lord-of-the-west-2022?queryID=5b4894aed88c7394d55ea9c77cfb1f4c]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713778.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713778.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713780.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713780.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
By the looks of it this is when Hera challenges Wulf for a showdown. I'm guessing this isn't plastic as Hera doesn't normally go into battle wearing a bride's outfit...

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 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
JimmyWolf87 wrote:
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I don't really mind it. While wacky lists are amusing at times, it was always kind of odd seeing characters like Aragorn or the Witch King appearing in lists they couldn't possibly have been in and did feel gamey.
I'm all for thematic/canonically accurate lists in principle but, based purely on the examples shown, I'm just a bit concerned that they might have gone a bit too far and focusing on specific scenes strips away some player agency. For example, if say Boromir were only going to be available to Gondor as part of the Reclamation of Osgiliath list (not saying that will be the case, just an example), that seems unnecessarily reductive. Like it would remove the potential for him to be fielded alongside Citadel Guard or Fountain Court Guard; a scenario which doesn't necessarily happen 'on screen' directly but is incredibly plausible, to the extent that it would be weirder if it didn't happen 'off screen' in some capacity.
Da Boss wrote:Nah not for me. Especially the focus on film scenes rather than book scenes. No interest from me, think it's a terrible decision.
The exact lists and the specific focus on books scenes does feel overly restrictive, agreed.

Sure, there certainly have been many armylists from tournament players in the past that were clearly constructed for optimal game effect rather than any thematic purpose. Even if all individual profiles and points costs were perfectly balanced, this is probably unavoidable when allying in a wizard or even just some cavalry is clearly beneficial in basic gameplay and specific scenarios, to allow for things (magic, speed) that your army may otherwise lack. At the same time, there are many scenes from the books not covered in the movies, or depicted very differently. Morever, there are many plausible what-if scenarios one might want to play out in their games. Combine highly specific army lists with restrictive wargear loadouts with the recent removal of a chunk of the range, and a lot of space for creativity is lost. Some things will be improved I'm sure, but I am not so sure if this has not taken these restrictive designs too far. (Especially when many lists rely strongly on named heroes, which to me always feel more restrictive than anything: they avoid Saruman or a Nazgûl showing up in every list, but now force players to take Boromir or Théoden in their respective lists, even though Boromir surely wouldn't have been around for every single fight on every square metre of Osgiliath...)


Yeah, it's a terrible approach. The only battles you can fight are the ones explicitly featured in the films and/or books? As if there isn't stuff going on before, after and around that (let along 'what if' etc) - heaven forbid people use their imaginations! And the idea that there won't be some broken lists in there which any power gamer types will want to use/misuse is just wishful thinking (unless the thinking is, 'well it doesn't matter if it's OP as long as its "themed"!'). Maybe it's just the community I game with, but I don't think I've ever come across the random splashing in a wizard thing that people talk about.

The biggest frustration really is how utterly arbitrary it is. There are some characters who don't feature in the films that look to still be in the Armies of LOTR book and there also look to be some options which appear in the films that won't be possible due to the new everything is a LL approach (might be wrong but having seen the 'main' Isengard list doesn't include regular orcs, I suspect the only place they'll appear now is Ugluks Scouts - despite us seeing them at Isengard/Orthanc in the films). Plus you end up with "lists" like the Harad one that might as well not exist in the first book. Presuming the future Armies of Middle Earth book will have a more complete list for the Haradrim with Suladan etc, kind of makes this one a waste of paper. Its pretty obvious that this is just a way to sell another big book, in part because the new Armies of books will have a ton of extra pages with the new army lists in which they didn't need to include before.

As a different example, I also have a Rivendell & Khazad Dum allied list - was always slightly annoying it was a yellow alliance (I guess because the version of Durin GW have done is technically Durin VII?), I played him as Durin IV allied with Elrond - the dwarves and elves fighting together is explicitly mentioned in the appendices so it's very much a theme-y list (albeit a particularly niche one) and there clearly won't be any way to ever play that legally in the new ruleset which means no more events for that army.

Was open to the idea of a new edition, but pretty disappointed with how it's looking to have taken on some of modern GWs worse habits. Pile on the increasing restrictions to wargear options and the list building stuff, it really looks unappealing compared to the current rules. Kind of hoping my gaming group will stick with the current ruleset but we'll see, I'm definitely going to wait for the third armies of book to be released before I buy any of the new stuff anyway.


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Piousservant wrote:

As a different example, I also have a Rivendell & Khazad Dum allied list - was always slightly annoying it was a yellow alliance (I guess because the version of Durin GW have done is technically Durin VII?), I played him as Durin IV allied with Elrond - the dwarves and elves fighting together is explicitly mentioned in the appendices so it's very much a theme-y list (albeit a particularly niche one) and there clearly won't be any way to ever play that legally in the new ruleset which means no more events for that army.


I feel your pain, both as a Khazad-dum player waiting for the next book and a someone who was planning a book accurate black gate opens list (i.e Easterlings allied with mordor) which now looks to be impossible. I might be able to twist one of these lists into something similar but looks like I'll never get a Mouth of Sauron led mordor + easterlings as planned. Because PJ said so. Ugh. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713814.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713814.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
That's the old metal version they're talking about, not the current resin.


Must have completely missed the release of the resin one - this is the only glorfindel i'm familiar with.


Does anyone know what warcom article talks about 3 books for release?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713909.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713909.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69

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Pre-orders are up on the Australian site. $370 for the Box set. $90 for both the Rulebook and Hobbit army book, $105 for the LoTR army book.

Taking some liberties with the pricing of the Rohan house (Which has mysteriously vanished off the site ) and the 4 mounted heroes, and assume $83 for the houses (same prices as the lake town house) and $60 each for the heroes (same price as Eomer) then the boxes content comes out at a touch over $660AUD. Which with 20% off at a online retailer comes out as a stonking deal even though the contents of said box are somewhat lackluster.

From what I've seen of the rules and more importantly list building, I can't honestly say I'm overly keen for the new edition. At this point I'll probably just keep playing the current (now old?) edition if my other regular opponents are willing.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713916.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713916.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Are we sure there's going to be a third book of army lists?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713932.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713932.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 gw announced that armies of middle earth would be book #3 to follow sometime after release, containing everything that didnt appear on screen.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713935.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713935.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
So anyone who hasn't got theirs yet, that's the reason.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713943.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713943.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Hellebore wrote:
Khazad dum doesn't appear in either of those books.

Are we sure there's going to be a third book of army lists?


If you look at the pre-order for Buhrdûr and the Hill-Trolls, they've got an "Armies of Middle-Earth" logo in the main image, and their product description says they can be used in Buhrdûr's Horde and Army of Carn Dûm forces, so you can be very confident in the upcoming third book containing lists not found in The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713955.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713955.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Also of note: although the box will contain more plastic and not just one duplicated sprue (now 2 x 1.5 sprues), the price is at least the same as those of other plastic troops.

Not sure why the Great Eagles were re-released (had noticed they were gone earlier and happy to have them back though; they're excellent); the box displayed still seems to have the same name (not the longer "Great Eagles of the Misty Mountains™" in the product description), and while they apparently can represent an additional profile now ("Fledgeling Great Eagles"), I don't know if that's referenced on the box anywhere and would warrant a rebranding. Box contents seem the same: 2 eagles, flying stands, 60mm bases?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713963.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713963.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
Difficult to tell from the sprue pictures, but looks like the Rohirrim do not have any clearly interchangeable parts, with heads probably only attaching to specific cloaks on account of the hair connection, and while a few melee-weapon arms look similar, others are cut off at different lengths so will require partial assembly and cutting before being interchangeable. At least the shields can be mixed freely, as also highlighted in the product description.

Also of note: although the box will contain more plastic and not just one duplicated sprue (now 2 x 1.5 sprues), the price is at least the same as those of other plastic troops.

Not sure why the Great Eagles were re-released (had noticed they were gone earlier and happy to have them back though; they're excellent); the box displayed still seems to have the same name (not the longer "Great Eagles of the Misty Mountains™" in the product description), and while they apparently can represent an additional profile now ("Fledgeling Great Eagles"), I don't know if that's referenced on the box anywhere and would warrant a rebranding. Box contents seem the same: 2 eagles, flying stands, 60mm bases?


I think the Eagles are just rebranded and painted white because of their appearance in the new movie, but they're the old models.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713970.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11713970.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
Difficult to tell from the sprue pictures, but looks like the Rohirrim do not have any clearly interchangeable parts, with heads probably only attaching to specific cloaks on account of the hair connection, and while a few melee-weapon arms look similar, others are cut off at different lengths so will require partial assembly and cutting before being interchangeable. At least the shields can be mixed freely, as also highlighted in the product description.

Also of note: although the box will contain more plastic and not just one duplicated sprue (now 2 x 1.5 sprues), the price is at least the same as those of other plastic troops.

Not sure why the Great Eagles were re-released (had noticed they were gone earlier and happy to have them back though; they're excellent); the box displayed still seems to have the same name (not the longer "Great Eagles of the Misty Mountains™" in the product description), and while they apparently can represent an additional profile now ("Fledgeling Great Eagles"), I don't know if that's referenced on the box anywhere and would warrant a rebranding. Box contents seem the same: 2 eagles, flying stands, 60mm bases?


They just changed the bases they're packaged with from the old transparent flying bases to 60mm.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11714362.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11714362.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/r2tyuwb8/middle-earthtm-strategy-battle-game-heratm-daughter-of-helm-hammerhandtm/]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11717784.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11717784.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11717795.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11717795.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 LotR models scale with 40k models? The on foot version would look great in an inquisitorial retinue. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11717800.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11717800.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
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Mr Insomniac wrote:
How do the LotR models scale with 40k models? The on foot version would look great in an inquisitorial retinue.


The newer sculpts will be slightly larger than the original range but they're still likely to be absolutely tiny compared to 40K. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11717804.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11717804.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 warboss wrote:
Nice looking model but I'm not a fan of the leather daisy duke riding chaps personally. I'd have preferred this look from one of the posters. I have no idea if this is from a scene that made it into the film though. Admittedly, it's more of an impromptu battle look as opposed to something purposefully practical like the riding attire.



That's the bride of death model on the previous page.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11717807.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11717807.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Notable change is how little changed! Except Glorfindel, he is now a beast as he should be.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/middle-earth-strategy-battle-game/]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11717811.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11717811.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11717819.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11717819.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11717824.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11717824.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Mr Insomniac wrote:
How do the LotR models scale with 40k models? The on foot version would look great in an inquisitorial retinue.


Very small.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11717851.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11717851.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11717861.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11717861.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

That's the bride of death model on the previous page.


Thanks as I missed that since I only peripherally (and admittedly lazily in this context/case) follow the thread. It is indeed the outfit but I'm not a fan of the pose though sadly. I fully admit my goldilocksness in that regard though in looking for a Hera that is juuuuust right... ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11717894.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11717894.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
Difficult to tell from the sprue pictures, but looks like the Rohirrim do not have any clearly interchangeable parts, with heads probably only attaching to specific cloaks on account of the hair connection, and while a few melee-weapon arms look similar, others are cut off at different lengths so will require partial assembly and cutting before being interchangeable. At least the shields can be mixed freely, as also highlighted in the product description.


Just started building mine and correct, they aren't interchangeable and are very much in the vein of a lot of modern GW plastics in terms of how the parts all connect. A lot of the spear hands being separate does at least mean swapping those around (or with the hand weapons) wouldn't take much work at all. If nothing else, it's at least not a downgrade from the options available in the previous versions.

What has surprised me is the scale; I was expecting them to be bigger than the 2002 models but they're pretty much the same. If anything, the new ones have slightly smaller heads/hands due to them being able to produce better detail in plastic these days and there's otherwise no discernible difference, in terms of scale at least. Also pleasantly surprised at how well those old Warriors of Rohan are holding up these days. The new ones are very nice though; definitely an upgrade though I wouldn't hesitate to mix them in with the old.

Hopefully there's a refresh of a few more of the core troop plastics on the horizon. Last Alliance and Minas Tirith are probably the most in need. Moria Goblins and Isengard Uruks wouldn't hurt. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11718676.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11718676.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 AOS sized, but they were smaller than the metals of the same era. Most historics these days are the same size as the LotR metals (probably as a result of the Perry's involvement in both) so if they haven't brought the plastics into the same scale as the metals I'll be sticking with those.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11718700.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11718700.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Dawnbringer wrote:
If the plastics are same same size as the old ones then that is a disappointment and pretty much a no go for me. Not that I'm asking them to become AOS sized, but they were smaller than the metals of the same era. Most historics these days are the same size as the LotR metals (probably as a result of the Perry's involvement in both) so if they haven't brought the plastics into the same scale as the metals I'll be sticking with those.


Really? I've got a huge amount of that original range and they're pretty consistent between plastics/metals. Some of the post-original trilogy sculpts definitely got a bit loose (though there was a tangible dip in quality/effort in general) and the less said about the scale consistency of the finecast models, the better but I don't see much evidence for the original metals being noticeably bigger. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11718710.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11718710.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11718713.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11718713.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
https://www.reddit.com/r/MiddleEarthMiniatures/comments/1ey157d/size_difference/

https://www.one-ring.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=34594

I mean at the end of the day it's all down to what you can personally tolerate. But I always found the original plastics (as in from the 2000-2003 era) were much closer to 25mm, while those done in metal, or the later plastics were 28mm. The original metal Faramir's gers Ranger in comparison to plastic WoMT was particularly noticeable, but sadly my collection is still in storage to I can't provide handy photos at this time.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11718726.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11718726.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11718730.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11718730.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Dawnbringer wrote:
For those saying the range was consistent...

https://www.reddit.com/r/MiddleEarthMiniatures/comments/1ey157d/size_difference/

https://www.one-ring.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=34594

I mean at the end of the day it's all down to what you can personally tolerate. But I always found the original plastics (as in from the 2000-2003 era) were much closer to 25mm, while those done in metal, or the later plastics were 28mm. The original metal Faramir's gers Ranger in comparison to plastic WoMT was particularly noticeable, but sadly my collection is still in storage to I can't provide handy photos at this time.


That's fair, though I did say that the post-trilogy releases were when it started to be a noticeable issue (and the Citadel Guard came out later with the Siege of Gondor expansion book). The rangers, I'll grant you, were probably a bit chunky though I wouldn't have said (from memory) that they were different enough to be a problem (likewise, mine are in a box somewhere so I'd have to shift things to compare). ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11718739.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11718739.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 Lotr edition I have ever seen.

No visibility on the (horrible) GW site when preorder was available (you had to find it in that)

Very few actual new item available al launch

Box lacking essential tokens

Day one faq, lot of mistakes in books - and im faqs too!

As far I can see new ruleset is not bad (nevertheless need true faqs as soon as possible) but building an army is a nightmare now (rules are so restrictive) and every army has so many special rules that it is a pain to remember all of them (typical GW bloating rules problems).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11721502.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11721502.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
List building is fine, it's no more difficult than it was before and I'm looking forward towards the third book for all the off kilter lists. As for typos, expect that from GW. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11721528.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11721528.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11721532.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11721532.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11721534.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11721534.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Johanxp wrote:
I think this was the worst launch of a new Lotr edition I have ever seen.

No visibility on the (horrible) GW site when preorder was available (you had to find it in that)

Very few actual new item available al launch

Box lacking essential tokens

Day one faq, lot of mistakes in books - and im faqs too!

As far I can see new ruleset is not bad (nevertheless need true faqs as soon as possible) but building an army is a nightmare now (rules are so restrictive) and every army has so many special rules that it is a pain to remember all of them (typical GW bloating rules problems).


I'd add to that list something that's bugging me more than anything else: no translations (yet?). ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11721557.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11721557.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Battle for Edoras on the other hand is hardly sold out anywhere, its still available on the us gw site, as well as in decent quamtities at most major us and uk online retailers.

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Sgt. Cortez wrote:

I'd add to that list something that's bugging me more than anything else: no translations (yet?).
most likely never as also translations for other specialist games are gone

And as new rules are a side grade and no upgrade, no real reason to switch from last years book

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
You must be in the minority then, as it's probably the most popular it's been in a long, long time.
but this already happened with the new Edition last year, popularity carried over more than it was started with that edition]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11721608.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11721608.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 kodos wrote:
Sgt. Cortez wrote:

I'd add to that list something that's bugging me more than anything else: no translations (yet?).
most likely never as also translations for other specialist games are gone

And as new rules are a side grade and no upgrade, no real reason to switch from last years book

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
You must be in the minority then, as it's probably the most popular it's been in a long, long time.
but this already happened with the new Edition last year, popularity carried over more than it was started with that edition


Due to the popularity of the game in Germany they started to translate some of the campaign books, but already stopped before the last one IIRC. So... we'll see. If there's no german version I'll stick to the old one, it's as easy as that.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11721624.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11721624.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
This edition has no translation at all and as all books are obsolete not having a translation on release indicates that there won't be one]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11721643.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11721643.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 FAQ address to ask about it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11721754.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11721754.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11722261.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11722261.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 LOTR or Hobbit books?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11722265.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11722265.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11722314.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11722314.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/505blk2u/sunday-preview-the-death-korps-march-for-krieg/]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11722646.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11722646.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11722707.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11722707.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Hera and the snowtroll and the hero's split already from the Edoras box. As well as a metric tonnage of returning kits:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/505blk2u/sunday-preview-the-death-korps-march-for-krieg/


Some oddities with those 'returning to the range' sets given some of them never actually left (and are actually available to purchase right now).

Guessing those command sets are still going to be (sigh) finecast in some cases. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11722793.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11722793.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
JimmyWolf87 wrote:
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Hera and the snowtroll and the hero's split already from the Edoras box. As well as a metric tonnage of returning kits:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/505blk2u/sunday-preview-the-death-korps-march-for-krieg/


Some oddities with those 'returning to the range' sets given some of them never actually left (and are actually available to purchase right now).

Guessing those command sets are still going to be (sigh) finecast in some cases.


I think some of these command sets were never metal, so they'll stay Failcast (the Rohan and Gondor one? I don't collect these factions so I wouldn't know). Also anything from the Hobbit won't transition to superior metal.
I think with some "re-releases" they just reduced them, i.e. threw models out that are "legends" now, like that Knight of the White tower or whatever he was called.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11722794.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11722794.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11722798.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11722798.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Sgt. Cortez wrote:
JimmyWolf87 wrote:
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Hera and the snowtroll and the hero's split already from the Edoras box. As well as a metric tonnage of returning kits:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/505blk2u/sunday-preview-the-death-korps-march-for-krieg/


Some oddities with those 'returning to the range' sets given some of them never actually left (and are actually available to purchase right now).

Guessing those command sets are still going to be (sigh) finecast in some cases.


I think some of these command sets were never metal, so they'll stay Failcast (the Rohan and Gondor one? I don't collect these factions so I wouldn't know). Also anything from the Hobbit won't transition to superior metal.
I think with some "re-releases" they just reduced them, i.e. threw models out that are "legends" now, like that Knight of the White tower or whatever he was called.


Yes some of them have had their 4th model removed. Bit of a shame; Knight of the White Tower was a lovely sculpt. Awful material but a lovely sculpt. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11722800.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11722800.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
JimmyWolf87 wrote:

Yes some of them have had their 4th model removed. Bit of a shame; Knight of the White Tower was a lovely sculpt. Awful material but a lovely sculpt.


I think the 4th model was removed because they had only ever been in Finecast, while the others had once been in metal.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11722803.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11722803.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Dawnbringer wrote:
JimmyWolf87 wrote:

Yes some of them have had their 4th model removed. Bit of a shame; Knight of the White Tower was a lovely sculpt. Awful material but a lovely sculpt.


I think the 4th model was removed because they had only ever been in Finecast, while the others had once been in metal.


I think it's more that a lot of them were GW 'creations' (to a degree) and didn't appear on screen (shamans, Knight of the White Tower etc.) so weren't going to be in the new edition, though that does also correlate with the FC/Metal incarnations in a fair few cases. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11722804.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11722804.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11724176.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11724176.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11724200.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11724200.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11724208.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11724208.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11724273.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11724273.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Expensive for a single MESBG character? Compared to older product, yes - but she's also the same price as Helm Hammerhand, or the two evil Lords from this release, so her price point probably shouldn't be a shock.

The plastic kit for her, with the mounted version, should be an interesting one from a price point, though, given the price of the two two packs compared to the price of plastic Eomer. £23 for Eomer, compared to £31.50 for the Haleth/Hama pack.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11724282.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11724282.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 warboss wrote:
$30 USD for the bride of death figure and direct only? Wow... that beats even Golum with his fish basket from back in the day even adjusted for the massive inflation since.


To be fair, she's made out of FW resin and not finecast like Gollum was. So that alone is worth it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11724283.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11724283.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
 warboss wrote:
$30 USD for the bride of death figure and direct only? Wow... that beats even Golum with his fish basket from back in the day even adjusted for the massive inflation since.


To be fair, she's made out of FW resin and not finecast like Gollum was. So that alone is worth it.


Just because they served us all stale maggotty ham and cheese sandwiches in the past doesn't mean that an overpriced and undercooked burger now is actually worth it, lol. That's a lot for one single 32mm actual size likely resin fig with one single modelling option. YMMV.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11724302.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11724302.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 I even found someone to split the pack with and we both agreed it was too much! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11724722.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11724722.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 GW had an article saying the "legends" stuff would get a PDF rules release. Did this ever happen?

If not, I'll assume, and hope, it's coming with the next book release. I don't know why they needed to axe older unit profiles anyway. They had models and rules for this game for 15+ years and now you decide to be rid of them? Why?

Honestly, I found the army books of the new edition to be disappointing. They seem to be missing a lot and are very limited. I hope they. Are up for this with supplements. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11725089.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11725089.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
zombie_sky_diver wrote:
Before the new edition release GW had an article saying the "legends" stuff would get a PDF rules release. Did this ever happen?

If not, I'll assume, and hope, it's coming with the next book release. I don't know why they needed to axe older unit profiles anyway. They had models and rules for this game for 15+ years and now you decide to be rid of them? Why?

Honestly, I found the army books of the new edition to be disappointing. They seem to be missing a lot and are very limited. I hope they. Are up for this with supplements.


No idea, but I'll assume it will be through a Warcom pdf.

As for why they got the boot - already discussed old bean. It was because a lot of it wasn't in the films, although apparently there is the odd contradiction. Either way, I can no longer hope for a new Dweller in the Dark in plastic...

As for supplements, I'll assume they'll be knocking those out over the next 12 months. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11725111.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11725111.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 GW's ability to **** things up royally under zero pressure.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11725153.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11725153.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 GW will bring them back...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11725234.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11725234.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
I've noticed over the past 2-3 years GW likes to sneakily remove items from the web page without saying anything and bring it back 2-6 months later at a higher price.

If you didn't notice, they just did this with the Rohan terrain and Gundabad Orcs. Both were missing for a few weeks not long ago. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11725258.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11725258.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69

Can't believe I'm saying this about MESBG, but I'm honestly looking forward to Frealaf, Lief and Olwyn. Hopefully they'll be up next along with Helm himself, in armour and on horseback. And I guess they'll do the giant-elephant chaps as well...
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I still haven't seen the movie. I just hope they didn't take a big wet stinking poop all over the established lore the way Amazon did with Rings of Power. No spoilers please, I'll probably buy a copy when it comes out on disc.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11728947.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11728947.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11728952.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11728952.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11728979.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11728979.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 AM - HE-RA!!!!". ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11729238.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11729238.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
.Mikes. wrote:My favourite part was when Gollum appeared riding a beast of gorgoroth.


MajorWesJanson wrote:I'm glad they kept up with the trend of the Eagles coming in the end to save the day.


SamusDrake wrote:Easily my favourite part was when Hera held aloft her magic sword, Herugrim, and says "FOR THE HONOUR OF ROHAN!!! I - AM - HE-RA!!!!".

Oh, you guys!
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 ZergSmasher wrote:
Yeah, I guess they do still owe us several more models from Lord of the Anime, don't they? They've shown us non-bride Hera, but I don't think we've even had a preview of those others yet have we?

I still haven't seen the movie. I just hope they didn't take a big wet stinking poop all over the established lore the way Amazon did with Rings of Power. No spoilers please, I'll probably buy a copy when it comes out on disc.


Hera is a weird choice for the main character and changes a key element but it's not bad aside from that. The film trilogy did put Arwen into a leading role over one of the mightiest elf heroes ever to exist so eh.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11729414.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11729414.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11729427.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11729427.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 MESBG articles on Warhammer Community are posted on a Friday.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11729839.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11729839.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69

Random thought for the day: If vanilla-Hera isn't "Coming Soon..." today, I will lose my rag!


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SamusDrake wrote:
Cheers.

Random thought for the day: If vanilla-Hera isn't "Coming Soon..." today, I will lose my rag!




They really do seem to be slow-rolling out the releases on the film characters. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11730306.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11730306.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
SamusDrake wrote:
Cheers.

Random thought for the day: If vanilla-Hera isn't "Coming Soon..." today, I will lose my rag!




I wouldn't get your hopes up too far. We haven't even seen fully armoured Helm yet.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11730308.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11730308.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Seren Nishiyama wrote:
SamusDrake wrote:
Cheers.

Random thought for the day: If vanilla-Hera isn't "Coming Soon..." today, I will lose my rag!




They really do seem to be slow-rolling out the releases on the film characters.


GW wants to wait until the iron is properly cold before striking.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11730316.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11730316.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
I'm guessing she'll be joined by other cast members for the first supplement focusing on the new film. Lief, Olwyn and Frealaf are at least confirmed in the Armies book, so they shouldn't be too far behind.

I have played around with the idea of getting Hera's two brothers, in the meantime, and running them - along with Hera - as something like the Cartright brothers from Bonanaza, in Rangers of Shadowdeep. Then get Helm to take the place of the father, Adam. The fact that they all ride horses is the icing on that cake!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11730367.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11730367.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Shakalooloo wrote:

GW wants to wait until the iron is properly cold before striking.


The associated animation flopped both commercially and critically. There was never any iron to being with.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11730369.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11730369.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Given the film was a flop (a bit of a shame) maybe they're just taking it cautiously to avoid any losses. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11730391.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11730391.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11730397.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11730397.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 MESBG? Wow. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11731217.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11731217.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Looking in the reviews of the Armies of LOTR, we can definitely expect other characters such as Fealaf, Lief and Olwyn soon. Also, we should be looking forward to new Rohirrim horseys and the armoured version of Helm on horse back.

Noticed they're no longer doing the Rohan Battlehost, and I assume they'll be giving the same update treatment to the other three battlehosts - probably those boxes were to sell though the old sprues. They'll probably spend the next three years doing that, and given that the film features Helmsdeep, its seems only right that they'd have new Uruk-Hai models to give the new Rohan Warriors some grief.

New Uruk-Hai Scouts & Lurtz would be bloody awesome. I mean it - I would be there. That and and a new Fellowship kit would be sweet.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11731258.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11731258.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 WotR, I would not expect resculpts for other factions until they actually show us something to indicate it]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11731259.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11731259.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
chaos0xomega wrote:
They did new rohan and dunland because of WotR, I would not expect resculpts for other factions until they actually show us something to indicate it


Agreed. That they've never redone the Last Alliance elves and Numenorians would indicate that if they don't have to they don’t care.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11731342.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11731342.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
SamusDrake wrote:


Noticed they're no longer doing the Rohan Battlehost, and I assume they'll be giving the same update treatment to the other three battlehosts - probably those boxes were to sell though the old sprues.


GW doesn’t make boxes like Battlehosts to “sell through old sprues”. The sprues sold in those boxes are manufactured and packed specially. The idea is especially impractical in cases like this, because it would rely on having overstocks of a large number of different original codes, roughly in proportion to each other, and having enough of them to keep the resulting Battlehosts in stock as part of the range long term. Short version: this just isn’t how it works.

The Rohan Battlehost has been withdrawn because one of the components in it (the Warriors of Rohan sprue) is no longer part of the range. It doesn’t really indicate anything more than that about what might be coming in future. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11731351.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11731351.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Greenfield wrote:


GW doesn’t make boxes like Battlehosts to “sell through old sprues”. The sprues sold in those boxes are manufactured and packed specially. The idea is especially impractical in cases like this, because it would rely on having overstocks of a large number of different original codes, roughly in proportion to each other, and having enough of them to keep the resulting Battlehosts in stock as part of the range long term. Short version: this just isn’t how it works.

The Rohan Battlehost has been withdrawn because one of the components in it (the Warriors of Rohan sprue) is no longer part of the range. It doesn’t really indicate anything more than that about what might be coming in future.


Oh, I've been misinformed then. Thank you for the clarification.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11731358.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11731358.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/lhh0ygi2/fight-better-battles-in-middle-earth-with-the-first-designers-commentary-of-2025/

And certainly wasn't expecting a new plastic Bolg
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11732185.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11732185.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11732187.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11732187.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11732192.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11732192.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11732245.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11732245.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 It's especially odd that he would be released before Azog, unless there's a whole wave of Hobbit miniatures in the works.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11732255.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11732255.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
They'll probably do both characters and maybe in a double pack like they have the Rohan princes, or Wulf & Targg.


]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11732256.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11732256.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Mozzamanx wrote:
It's not a horrible model although the warg is in a very odd pose. I'm just confused as to why anyone considered Bolg a priority.
It's especially odd that he would be released before Azog, unless there's a whole wave of Hobbit miniatures in the works.


I like the pose, the warg in a landing pose is fun. And he's a primary antagonist, it's not surprising he would be at a forefront for resculpts. And anything that cuts down the finecast for plastic is welcome.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11732258.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11732258.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 GW are releasing narrative scenarios each month - starting with ones to tie in to Fellowship of the Ring.

I'm not a MESBG player, so I have a question - were this sort of content part of the previous edition's books, or is this being brought back from the original releases?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11733832.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11733832.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11733840.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11733840.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Dysartes wrote:
Looks like GW are releasing narrative scenarios each month - starting with ones to tie in to Fellowship of the Ring.


The cynic in me thinks GW only giving 6 scenarios in the rulebook was part of a long term plan to drip us re-printed scenarios from older books as crumbs as they go back to barely supporting the game.


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The cynic in me is usually right.

He's really smug about it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11733900.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11733900.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 LOTR and Hobbit.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11733925.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11733925.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11734403.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11734403.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11734404.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11734404.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 .Mikes. wrote:
Becasue if they wait longer the film will become a success?


Ouch. Too soon, bub! On a peripherally related note to that, I saw an ad saying that its coming to Max streaming (at least in the US) on Feb 28th.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11734451.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11734451.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11734465.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11734465.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11734486.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11734486.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
We have one for The Hobbit, and one for LotR.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11734489.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11734489.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11734493.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11734493.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Vorian wrote:
There's the Armies of Middle-earth to follow


Yeah this one. Otherwise known as "The One Everyone Really Cares About".]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11734497.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11734497.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11734509.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11734509.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 ZergSmasher wrote:
We're still waiting for the rest of the War of the Rohirrim cast to be released too. They've shown us the plastic non-Bride Hera but not released her yet, and we haven't even seen the models for Frealaf, Olwyn, and Lief yet, or the non-Wrath Helm for that matter. I am starting to wonder if it's being delayed because the movie was a box office disaster.


I don't think they could care less about the movie as long as the models and books sell.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11734546.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11734546.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
SamusDrake wrote:
Is that going to be stuff that wasn't in the films but in the books?


It's supposed to be the lists and models in the last edition that's not in the current two army books.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11734631.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11734631.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 .Mikes. wrote:


It's supposed to be the lists and models in the last edition that's not in the current two army books.


Oh, a Legends book? Characters like the Dweller In The Dark?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11734652.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11734652.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11734654.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11734654.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69

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Oh, so I had it right first time then; stuff not in the films but still in the books. Gotcha.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11734660.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11734660.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/vozvvb0g/middle-earthtm-strategy-battle-game-the-upcoming-range-update-explained/

Presumably that means anything not on there and not in either of the first two books will be in the third book]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11734776.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11734776.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/k9c6bz33/sunday-preview-the-gitmob-gallop-into-the-fray/

Unusual of them to actually announce it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736002.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736002.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 WOTR campaign book and remaining models.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736005.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736005.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736007.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736007.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736008.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736008.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736010.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736010.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Just a question though; have they actually confirmed that there is going to be a third book? I've looked through the MESBG articles and I can't find anything that says there will be another armies book.

Could the remaining stuff be saved for future campaign books?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736013.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736013.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736016.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736016.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/m9f0rghw/middle-earthtm-strategy-battle-game-army-building-in-the-new-edition/

...and called "Armies of Middle Eath", which will be released "later on". ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736019.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736019.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736022.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736022.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
No, legends are gone. The third is for anything not specifically featured in the films. So Gondor/Rohan secondary characters, Angmar, the rest of Harad etc


My recollection from the article was that models sent to legends would still get profiles in a one-time PDF release. This would be there one and only integration into the current edition, and never be addressed again in the current or any future edition.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736060.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736060.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
callidusx3 wrote:
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
No, legends are gone. The third is for anything not specifically featured in the films. So Gondor/Rohan secondary characters, Angmar, the rest of Harad etc


My recollection from the article was that models sent to legends would still get profiles in a one-time PDF release. This would be there one and only integration into the current edition, and never be addressed again in the current or any future edition.

That is correct. They will get rules but won't be kept updated for competitive play. Which is a shame for Khand and Far Harad players, but I don't want to beat that dead horse any more.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736087.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736087.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 Armies of Middle-Earth book?

Looks like you get bonus Imrahil at the same time.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736689.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736689.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/fy8isfxy/prince-imrahiltm-of-dol-amrothtm-rides-to-battle-with-the-armies-of-middle-earthtm/



Ninja'd.

Love the lance, bit annoyed that it's so different from the rest though. I suppose the current model also has a more traditional looking lance than the generic Knights, so the inconsistency is consistent.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736690.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736690.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
This IS a must-buy for me...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736691.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736691.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Lovely model.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736694.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736694.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736697.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736697.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Looking forward to hearing what is in the new book, hope people are happy with it!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736699.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736699.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736701.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736701.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736702.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736702.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Tim the Biovore wrote:
New Prince Imrahil announced alongside Armies of Middle-Earth

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/fy8isfxy/prince-imrahiltm-of-dol-amrothtm-rides-to-battle-with-the-armies-of-middle-earthtm/



Ninja'd.

Love the lance, bit annoyed that it's so different from the rest though. I suppose the current model also has a more traditional looking lance than the generic Knights, so the inconsistency is consistent.


I'd just put that down to "i'm the prince. I get the fancy, specially made lance".]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736709.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736709.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 GW, you have my attention...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736713.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736713.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736722.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736722.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736726.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736726.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736731.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736731.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736748.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736748.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
*walk]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736814.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736814.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
But the real news we were waiting for was, of course, word of the third book. And I am STOKED! There's lists for so much stuff that was only in the books, and they went ahead and put the Arnor/Angmar stuff in there too, which I honestly expected. Easterlings get a couple of lists (The Easterlings and Host of the Dragon Emperor), which is awesome, and it looks like Khazad-dum will also get a single list (just the one but how many did they honestly need?). Moria is probably the expanded version where Shamans, Prowlers, Durburz, the drummers, and some of the monsters will likely live. And I wonder what all this talk of dragons is about? Will Smaug actually get a couple of wingmen for the REALLY big games?

Another thing I like is that they are integrating certain profiles into the existing armies from the two Armies books. I wonder if that's where the Galadhrim Knights, Haldir's brothers, and the Galadhrim Court Guard will fit in. Or if they'll retroactively allow the current Garrison of Dale list to take Knights.

Unfortunately, they didn't give a release date so the waiting game is still going. And still no word on the missing War of the Rohirrim characters. Oh well, at least we have some idea what's coming.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736831.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11736831.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11737500.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11737500.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
I'm guessing that characters like Sauron, Shelob and Gollum will get new sculpts for when The Hunt For Gollum is released in December 2026.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11737515.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11737515.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/qauhhaz2/narrative-play-in-middle-earthtm-to-war/]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11738135.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11738135.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
SamusDrake wrote:
I'm of the mind that if the ME license is genuinely that big of a deal, and its in metal or finecast, then a model needs updating.

I'm guessing that characters like Sauron, Shelob and Gollum will get new sculpts for when The Hunt For Gollum is released in December 2026.


It's December 2027 now. And we're four months past War of the Rohirrim, and four months since the reveal of the plastic Hera, with no release in sight, and we haven't even seen the plastic Helm, if he even exists, nor Frealaf, Olwyn, or Lief, again, if they're even going to get miniatures at all, so if you think GW are particularly keen to cash in on tie-in releases, you must also think they're extraordinarily inept at it.

I don't know about Shelob and Gollum, but a plastic Sauron has been such a no-brainer for so long that I can't see GW wasting that golden goose on a mostly unrelated spin-off, that feels less likely than them just never doing it at all. We'll check in again in three years time when they make a new starter set, we'll get that full refresh of the Last Alliance eventually, lads.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11738351.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11738351.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 Still, there is always the fan film in the meantime...

Is it mid-April already? Well blow my nose as time flies! But seriously, its been three months since the film was released in cinemas, and that's usually the spacing between releases for most GW games.

Keeping a positive attitude to the whole situation, I suspect that the resheduling of the WOTR film has caused some headaches for GW and there's no overlooking the fact that the new edition is only now going to be covered in White Dwarf - three months late.

Throw in the removal of the Imperial Knights from the 40K roadmap, the earlier-than-suspected release of the Emperors Children, the 40K drought leading up to Christmas, the appearence of the Knight combat patrols in the current edition of White Dwarf when a codex probably might have been released...maybe its an awkward situation that just had to play out.

Hopefully things will be a bit smoother going forward...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11738414.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11738414.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69

Hopefully it will be Olwyn, Frealaf and Lief, along with the WOTR narrative book. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11738694.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11738694.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/i88uzy0l/middle-earth-strategy-battle-game-give-the-enemies-of-azogtm-a-taste-of-boulder-with-the-gundabad-catapult-trolltm/]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739362.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739362.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739364.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739364.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
The miniature is made of Forge World resin.


Well, BOO!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739369.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739369.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739372.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739372.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Interesting addition of the Matched Play Guide. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739375.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739375.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739380.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739380.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739382.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739382.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
I didn't believe they would ever do this model.

I hope this means plastic Gundabad and Azog. I believe things look promising.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739397.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739397.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739409.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739409.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 Im not one to criticise insane fantasy concepts for lack of rational viability, its just that this is the final nail in the coffin for Middle Earth beeing a more realistic and grounded fantasy IMO.

His abs should look slightly more firm to be able to counter the force of the catapult, just to mention one thing that looks pretty bad for the troll.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739416.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739416.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Fayric wrote:
Pretty cool model if you dont stop 2 seconds to ponder the rationality of the construct.
Im not one to criticise insane fantasy concepts for lack of rational viability, its just that this is the final nail in the coffin for Middle Earth beeing a more realistic and grounded fantasy IMO.

His abs should look slightly more firm to be able to counter the force of the catapult, just to mention one thing that looks pretty bad for the troll.



Agreed. It's fairly ridiculous to mount a catapult that way when a trebuchet would clearly have been the optimal and more realistic troll mounted option. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739417.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739417.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
This model gives me a lot of hope for the future of MESBG. If they do dive more into Gundabad and redo those terrible Finecast models mayve that means Mirkwood Elves will get done with it. We are approaching the 10 year anniversary of The Battle of the Five Armies are we not. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739458.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739458.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 FW resin, i would consider that a massive plus.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739459.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739459.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739469.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739469.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739474.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739474.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739479.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739479.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Fayric wrote:
Pretty cool model if you dont stop 2 seconds to ponder the rationality of the construct.
Im not one to criticise insane fantasy concepts for lack of rational viability, its just that this is the final nail in the coffin for Middle Earth beeing a more realistic and grounded fantasy IMO.

His abs should look slightly more firm to be able to counter the force of the catapult, just to mention one thing that looks pretty bad for the troll.



The side view doesn't show any ropes even tying the catapult platform to the troll! It's just got those little shoulder bars to balance it. Unless the leather 'vest' is connected somehow, but I can't figure it out if that's the case.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739499.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739499.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 GW did a thing!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739501.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739501.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Fayric wrote:Pretty cool model if you dont stop 2 seconds to ponder the rationality of the construct.
Im not one to criticise insane fantasy concepts for lack of rational viability, its just that this is the final nail in the coffin for Middle Earth beeing a more realistic and grounded fantasy IMO.


zombie_sky_diver wrote:We are approaching the 10 year anniversary of The Battle of the Five Armies are we not.



The 10th Anniversary was last December, and the catapult trolls are an exact recreation of the design from the film, any complaints about how goofy that trilogy looked are a decade late. The now OOP Iron Hills Automatic Bolt Thrower Tower Goat Chariot has been in the game since mid 2017, and I'd call that more hare-brained than 2013's Rhosgobel rabbit sleigh. Frankly I'd still consider the catapult trolls to be quite realistic, in the sense that they were employed to minimal effect by a commander whose entire army was wiped out by the end of the day]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739515.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739515.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Tim the Biovore wrote:
The 10th Anniversary was last December, and the catapult trolls are an exact recreation of the design from the film, any complaints about how goofy that trilogy looked are a decade late. The now OOP Iron Hills Automatic Bolt Thrower Tower Goat Chariot has been in the game since mid 2017, and I'd call that more hare-brained than 2013's Rhosgobel rabbit sleigh. Frankly I'd still consider the catapult trolls to be quite realistic, in the sense that they were employed to minimal effect by a commander whose entire army was wiped out by the end of the day


Well, it's been 10 years for me of complaining about the numerous, ill-conceived departures from Tolkien's work contained in PJ's Hobbit trilogy. Fortunately, I can choose not to purchase any of them (including the 3 you mentioned above). Yet, I'm glad there are people who will enjoy these models. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739518.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739518.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 . ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739521.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739521.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 LotR was "a more realistic and grounded fantasy" ever even come from to begin with?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739557.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739557.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
As LotR is written as the origin/backstory of our own world with all modern myths/fables and religions being based on what "actually" happened prior our age (there is this unkown event at the end of the 4th age were everything started from scratch and mostly humans were left in middle earth after)
so it is as grounded as fantasy can be

it is also the origin of all modern fantasy so there was no "more grounded" one before that

yet it is the movies and how certain things are shown there that is off and takes away the realism from it]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739573.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739573.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
chaos0xomega wrote:
Where did the idea that LotR was "a more realistic and grounded fantasy" ever even come from to begin with?

I suspect it depends on what you're comparing it to - would you say the statement applied if comparing LotR to AOS, for example?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739574.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739574.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Dysartes wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
Where did the idea that LotR was "a more realistic and grounded fantasy" ever even come from to begin with?

I suspect it depends on what you're comparing it to - would you say the statement applied if comparing LotR to AOS, for example?


Even normal WFB. I had that discussion 15 years ago when a friend described the difference between high and low fantasy to me and we realized that everything in Warhammer is truly bonkers over the top compared to gandalfs most outstanding spell of casting a searchlight against the nazgul. And it’s the biggest problem of the Hobbit-movies to throw away that difference and turning middle earth into just another fantasy franchise to forget. Why did those stupid Worms that made the tunnels not just eat the dwarven and elven army and the whole erebor - end of story? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739582.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739582.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
chaos0xomega wrote:
Where did the idea that LotR was "a more realistic and grounded fantasy" ever even come from to begin with?


Because LotR is the "end" of fantasy within Middle-Earth. By the end, the elves are all but gone along with magic, Sauron is gone, the Dwarves are dwindling. It's all but over as the more mundane world takes over.

You go back to the first age and futher, the Silmarillion, and the fantasy element is in the epic AoS style of over the top.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739586.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739586.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 kodos wrote:


it is also the origin of all modern fantasy so there was no "more grounded" one before that


Not really disagree with you points, but this part is simply not true.
There were many contemporaries with Tolkien writing fantsy. "The worm Ourobouros" Bu ER Eddison is just the first that pop in mind written about a decade before the Hobbit.
Looking at the American pulp scene, Robert E Howard had invented Conan and built the sword and sorcery genre together with the other fantastic writers in the 1920s and 30s (Howard died about the time the hobbit was released).
More fairytale style Fantasy was also quite available with writers like Lord Dunsanys wonderful "the king of elflands daughter" from 1924.

These are just some examples of different styles of Fantasy already on the scene when Tolkien wrote his books.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739634.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739634.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Hera & Horse. (plastic)
Bolg & Warg. (plastic)
Imrahil & Horse. (plastic)
Goblins & Troll. (resin)
Armies Of Middle Earth. (book!)
Matchplay Guide. (pamphlet.)
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739643.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739643.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Fayric wrote:
These are just some examples of different styles of Fantasy already on the scene when Tolkien wrote his books.
of course there are other fantasy worlds that came up during that time, or are older than Lord of the Rings, but none of those shaped modern fantasy the way it did.

John Carter has had a big influence on SciFi although it is more fantasy, the Nibelungen and Grimms Fairy Tales existed long before but as soon as Dwarfs, Elves and Orcs are there it is Lord of the Rings based with the influence of others being on lower end
Conan exists but its influence outside dedicated material about that fantasy world is not there compared to Lord of the Rings

PS: and just to be clear, by modern fantasy I mean past WW2]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739649.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739649.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
SamusDrake wrote:
So, lets recap what is coming soon...

Hera & Horse. (plastic)
Bolg & Warg. (plastic)
Imrahil & Horse. (plastic)
Goblins & Troll. (resin)
Armies Of Middle Earth. (book!)
Matchplay Guide. (pamphlet.)


Looks right. Seems like they're just going to do a massive dump at some point rather than just do it piecemeal.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739650.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739650.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739790.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739790.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 LotR) and not just "fantastical"

people believed the Kraken to be real for a very long time, a Kraken like lake monster isn't very fantastical in that context, neither are Dragons when a lot of larger cities in central Europe have an origin story based on slaying a dragon]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739793.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739793.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
chaos0xomega wrote:
Yeah, I dont buy yhat argument. Armies of zombie ghosts, balrogs, fire breathing dragons, betentacled lake monsters, treemen, tom bombadil, etc all seem pretty fantastical to me.


But you don't see them around often. The average person in a Middle Earth village will never ever see any of those creatures. It's not like there are flights of dragons blackening the skies, or every forest in the world is overrun with ents.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739794.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739794.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 lotr. Smaug waking up and obliterating lake town would have still been fresh in people's memories far and wide.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739796.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739796.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739806.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739806.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 LOTR but it is fairly accurate to the Hobbit films, which is what they've always been basing these things on. I thought the Battle of 5 Armies film was the most warhammer-y film I'd ever seen in my life.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739810.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739810.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 GW.
Silmarillion share very few things with Age of Sigmar, even in the tone.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739825.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739825.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Johanxp wrote:

Silmarillion share very few things with Age of Sigmar, even in the tone.


Not sure if you answer a question with this or just throw it out there but I agree, everybody know AoS is a totally uniqe and protectable IP that GW just made up from scratch.
Horus Heresy on the other hand, theres your Silmarillion.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739882.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739882.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
The editor also mentions that secrecy, regarding details of the film itself, is why it didn't feature in the December issue.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739921.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11739921.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/eo3jlfyc/beechbonetm-is-the-biggest-enttm-in-fangorn-foresttm/]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11744614.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11744614.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11744638.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11744638.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
I got this nagging feeling that WOTR's cinema release was at some point scheduled for this month, and everything got moved forward to Christmas at the last moment. Hera stayed put to ensure we'd get something this month.

Probably going to see Hera in this Sunday's pre-order preview, and then 3 months from now we'll get the Armies of Middle Earth book.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11744668.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11744668.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 MESBG, but Beechbone is probably the best Ent they've made yet. Even better than the new(ish) Treebeard that came out a few years ago.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11744692.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11744692.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69

He looks very tall as well.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11744696.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11744696.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
SamusDrake wrote:
So, lets recap what is coming soon...

Hera & Horse. (plastic)
Bolg & Warg. (plastic)
Imrahil & Horse. (plastic)
Goblins & Troll. (resin)
Armies Of Middle Earth. (book!)
Matchplay Guide. (pamphlet.)


Don't forget the Easterling War Drake, which was name checked in a WarCom article last month (Imrahil's reveal). Almost certainly a resin release. The same rumour guy that said catapult troll is coming soon said the same for it. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11744953.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11744953.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Hera & Horse. (plastic)
Bolg & Warg. (plastic)
Imrahil & Horse. (plastic)
Goblins & Troll. (resin)
Armies Of Middle Earth. (book!)
Matchplay Guide. (pamphlet.)
Beechbone (resin)
War Drakes of Rhûn (To be confirmed, likely resin).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11744991.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11744991.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11745159.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11745159.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
SamusDrake wrote:
So once again - by popular demand - lets recap whats coming next...

Hera & Horse. (plastic)
Bolg & Warg. (plastic)
Imrahil & Horse. (plastic)
Goblins & Troll. (resin)
Armies Of Middle Earth. (book!)
Matchplay Guide. (pamphlet.)
Beechbone (resin)
War Drakes of Rhûn (To be confirmed, likely resin).


"Apparently" there have been signs of the War Drakes actually at Nottingham. As in they're sculpted, just not released yet.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11745172.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11745172.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11745353.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11745353.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
But if a player I'd be Bakshi all the way...

FIRE OF ISENGARD!!!
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11745657.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11745657.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/dlog0p8e/narrative-play-in-middle-earthtm-join-the-final-battle/]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11745853.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11745853.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

"Apparently" there have been signs of the War Drakes actually at Nottingham. As in they're sculpted, just not released yet.


Eh, thats not a big surprise, its normal for GW to have a model done and dusted but "sit" on it for a while, sometimes even years, before releasing. Even for the likes of 40k where there is no licence issue. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11746732.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11746732.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 GW to have a model done and dusted but "sit" on it for a while

We saw this with The Old World releases, models made before The End Times are finally getting released now.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11747048.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11747048.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 Evil returns to Middle-earth with the War Drakes of Rhûn and the Umbar Ballista

Spoiler:






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Do the line, Bart:
*sigh*
"Shame it's not plastic"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11747128.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11747128.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11747130.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11747130.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11747131.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11747131.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11747148.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11747148.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
The Black Adder wrote:
Those drakes are fantastic, I'll snap those up for my old world lizardman army


You leave em' alone. It's hard enough keeping the resins in stock for Middle-Earth in general.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11747151.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11747151.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11747171.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11747171.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 GW is even supporting the game this much of at all. For a while there I thought they might scrap it all together considering how scarce support and new releases were.

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 warboss wrote:
I'm a bit surprised that the drakes don't come with goaders/keepers. Nice sculpts though.


That does seem a bit odd. Maybe they don't require handlers, although the implication from the pictures is that they are goaded. If they are goaded then some more original sculpts for anybody with an easterling force would have been appreciated, I'm sure.

On the flip side, fewer resin sculpts should keep the price point lower, which is especially nice for those of us co-opting them for another game (sorry Inquisitor Gideon, they're just too pretty to leave in Middle Earth )]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11747345.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11747345.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11747384.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11747384.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11747390.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11747390.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
The Black Adder wrote:
 warboss wrote:
I'm a bit surprised that the drakes don't come with goaders/keepers. Nice sculpts though.


That does seem a bit odd. Maybe they don't require handlers, although the implication from the pictures is that they are goaded. If they are goaded then some more original sculpts for anybody with an easterling force would have been appreciated, I'm sure.


Including the spear guys in the blurry background of the picture absolutely didn't help that impression. Seeing them in the pic and not seeing them mentioned in the post is what got me to double check for a mention.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11747391.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11747391.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11747468.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11747468.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Johanxp wrote:
So many announcements and not a single actual release yet

Yeah, at this point I think everyone's getting weary of GW stringing us along. Just release some of this stuff already!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11747557.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11747557.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11747571.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11747571.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11747725.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11747725.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11747733.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11747733.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11747775.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11747775.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11747784.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11747784.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11747794.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11747794.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 nothing up for pre-order next weekend is certainly a choice...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11747800.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11747800.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11747805.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11747805.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11747857.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11747857.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 GW had nothing to order, except for Christmas week? Will we see a couple of weeks of hunkering down to see how this whole tariff thing plays out? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11747934.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11747934.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69

meaning ships being delayed/rerouted meaning stuff GW was expecting in terms of books, empty boxes and plastic terrain not turning up as expected so we get weeks with no new stuff]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11747952.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11747952.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 Iirc it happened 2 or 3 times last year, plus the occasional week of mto or bl only]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11748024.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11748024.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ftakeald/enact-the-king-of-rohans-will-with-lieftm-page-of-helmtm/



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 Dysartes wrote:
Before anyone asks, the WarCom article doesn't seem to specify the material for this young chap.


Plastic, per Warhammer on Facebook ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11748614.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11748614.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69

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(still looks like a lot like a halfling to me)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11748626.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11748626.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Tim the Biovore wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
Before anyone asks, the WarCom article doesn't seem to specify the material for this young chap.


Plastic, per Warhammer on Facebook

Huh - I wonder why they didn't mention that in the WarCom article?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11748628.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11748628.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 MESBG, but since the introduction of WOTR the characters that come with a horse variant are in plastic. I was only expecting Lief as a single FW model, so I'm well impressed.

I think Lief looking like an honorary Hobbit is awesome. If only the Shire folk got the same treatment!

My only disappointment with these WOTR sculpts is that they lose their anime style, which is one of the reasons I love the new film. It's understandable given that they have to be consistent with the rest of the range...but my feelings still remain.
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Love it though!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11748646.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11748646.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11748656.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11748656.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 KidCthulhu wrote:
When I first say the pic, I was asking myself why this Hobbit was wearing boots. I assumed they were trying to emulate Merry. Then I pulled up the link and read the fluff.

(still looks like a lot like a halfling to me)


Agreed. I thought he was a halfling. Then the text says he's 16... okay]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11748684.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11748684.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69

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SamusDrake wrote:
My only disappointment with these WOTR sculpts is that they lose their anime style, which is one of the reasons I love the new film. It's understandable given that they have to be consistent with the rest of the range...but my feelings still remain.

I actually really like that they made the models consistent; while I do like the anime style from the movie, I enjoy the chance to see these characters in a more realistic style too, like how they might have looked if the movie had been live action. But I totally get where you're coming from.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11748894.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11748894.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11748902.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11748902.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/6rn7mqtc/narrative-play-in-middle-earthtm-a-surprise-trip/]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11751589.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11751589.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ck4pqjsu/sunday-preview-change-comes-to-the-mortal-realms-and-the-brayherds-raid-the-old-world/]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11753725.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11753725.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 MESBG has died out over the last six months, returning to focus on BSF, but I'll still put in an order for Hera. She's cool. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11753731.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11753731.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
SamusDrake wrote:
My interest in MESBG has died out over the last six months, returning to focus on BSF, but I'll still put in an order for Hera. She's cool.


Yeah, they have completely dropped the ball on releases. It is very disappointing. Unfortunately they will probably release everything at once, instead of once a month so normal people could afford it. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11753736.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11753736.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
It's not everything, but christ it's the book, Hera and a handful of others:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ck4pqjsu/sunday-preview-change-comes-to-the-mortal-realms-and-the-brayherds-raid-the-old-world/

What's still o/s (that's been previewed, anyway) - I thought the Ent and the Corsair stuff was the last to be announced?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11753739.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11753739.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11753740.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11753740.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Seren Nishiyama wrote:

Yeah, they have completely dropped the ball on releases. It is very disappointing. Unfortunately they will probably release everything at once, instead of once a month so normal people could afford it.


They indeed, Seren.

While the wait has been frustrating it did give me the time to throw around ideas for a campaign thats a "fan fiction sequel" to WOTR. I'm thinking of Hera and a Warg chieftan, bit like Atreyu and Gmork from Neverending Story. I like the idea of agents of Sauron stealing the body of Wulf and he reincarnates him as a large and powerful warg, with the sole purpose of ending the line of Helm Hammerhand for good. Run, Hera, run! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11753750.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11753750.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 Such a shame to see people leaving because ithe game is not supported like 40k or aos. It really gives the idea on what it is important for a player... gw owned you.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11753753.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11753753.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11753796.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11753796.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 GW is great at that anyway.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11753800.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11753800.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11753816.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11753816.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 GW did not announce them in the article...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11753821.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11753821.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11753828.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11753828.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 MESBG Journal" was apparently sent to retailers by mistake, instead of the Armies of ME photo
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 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Interesting. An easy thing to fake, but i can't really see anybody wasting their time doing so.


World is full of people ready to waste time doing this kind of things.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11754023.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11754023.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 GW Stores are stocking it "for the foreseeable future".]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11754032.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11754032.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11754037.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11754037.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 us problem then.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11754077.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11754077.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 bs and it screws over the independent shops. Why make that book harder to get? Seems a bit arbitrary.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11754183.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11754183.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 GW sh*tfu**ery.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11754191.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11754191.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 ZergSmasher wrote:
Well that's bs and it screws over the independent shops. Why make that book harder to get? Seems a bit arbitrary.
there is a limited amount of books anyway (a single print run doesn't last forever) and GW makes more money with it by selling it thru their own shops
Also it being a "veteran" system no advertising for new players is needed by putting books on a shelf in a general store, everyone who plays the game knows how to get the books anyway.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11754223.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11754223.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11754778.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11754778.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11754826.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11754826.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 imo. All the new plastics being under £20 after discounters was surprising, so i got one of everything.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11754827.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11754827.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Surpisingly everything was a good price imo. All the new plastics being under £20 after discounters was surprising, so i got one of everything.


I got the new plastics, but I actually got 2 Heras. I simply couldn't decide if I'd want to do her with or without the cloak. Plus there is a lack of shieldmaiden characters available anyway, so if I end up painting one and don't want to paint the second as is, it will make for great conversion fodder.

Technically both Imrahil and Bolg are both duplicates as well (as I have the originals). Imrahil will go nicely with the resin sculpts and his older metal sculpt can be downgraded to a champion for 'regular' unit of swan knights.

I don't play MESBG anyway, so having duplicates for other characters work outs great for me!

Bit shocked at the price of some of the returning metals, but I only really need two or three kits now to complete a couple of gaps. I've almost completed everything I want to get from the MESBG range at this point. They will have to wait though, as too many Old world + MESBG releases in one week, and warlord games is choosing to end their 2000ad lines this week to so its been a costly week. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11754837.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11754837.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
At the moment I'm thinking the cloak for when Hera is on the horse - traveling mode. But on foot, she looks more ready for action without the cloak...

On the other hand she still looks great the other way around. Oh s***, I should've put two on the tab as well...

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11754910.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11754910.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/yvrlx5af/sunday-preview-chaos-knights-crush-the-competition/

Why next week and not just drop him this week is anyone's guess]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11755012.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11755012.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11755274.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11755274.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Johanxp wrote:
Bought some times ago (with the now-useless other dunleding heroes). But nice to see something more is made available for the players.


I got them all as well. I just run the two characters as Dunlending chieftans now, they fit just as well.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11755283.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11755283.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11755331.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11755331.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 ZergSmasher wrote:
One thing I noticed that irks me a little about the rerelease of the Woses warriors is that now they come with 15 plus Ghan-buri-ghan. When I bought the box it was only 12. I feel slightly shafted, but I don't think it's going to be a huge deal. Unless you are required to bring exactly 15 for the Paths of the Druadan list, then I'll be mad as hell. Last edition you were required to bring 12, so let's hope they dropped that requirement.


People complained about 12 because there was one situation where you could use 15 and no convenient/direct way to acquire the other 3, so hopefully it is still optional as I also have the 12 box.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11755343.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11755343.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11755963.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11755963.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11755981.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11755981.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11755984.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11755984.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 I should buy DA command group as I miss capitan and banner on horse... uhm... ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11756038.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11756038.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 GW, pulling this gak when I really don't have cash to throw at it.

I've been chasing that Faramir for ages. And I'd not say no to that command pack either. Hopefully it's not for another month or so.


Johanxp wrote:
Well, good but... new resin knights are far better than those. And is the same for the plastic knights in armoured horse.
Oh I'm the complete opposite, the metal knights are far superior. I dislike the unhelmeted heads on the resin versions.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11756073.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11756073.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 FW resin ones.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11756078.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11756078.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Snrub wrote:
Johanxp wrote:
Well, good but... new resin knights are far better than those. And is the same for the plastic knights in armoured horse.
Oh I'm the complete opposite, the metal knights are far superior. I dislike the unhelmeted heads on the resin versions.


You're free to prefer the classic metal style of the old sculpts, but you do know the resin kit has six helmeted heads in it, right? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11756391.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11756391.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Ugg my wallet will hate me. I want all those models....]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11756392.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11756392.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Tim the Biovore wrote:
You're free to prefer the classic metal style of the old sculpts, but you do know the resin kit has six helmeted heads in it, right?
I was not aware of that as it happens. I was under the vague impression that the banner bearer's head was moulded to the banner. I'm quite pleased to be wrong if that's not the case.
I certainly don't dislike the resin sculpts. It was mainly just the unhelmeted heads that were my issue. Being able to have them all helmeted certainly puts them on parity with the metal versions as far as I'm concerned.


Having just gone back to the webstore to look at them, I note they're no longer present on the site. What with plastic Imrahil, and the existing plastic mounted knights, dare we hope for some plastic foot knights/men-at-arms in the near future. And possibly a Dol Amroth battlehost? (Hint hint GW. Hint hint.)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11756394.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11756394.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Legacies PDF and a narrative PDF:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/jysh351k/legacies-of-middle-earth-rules-for-yet-more-warriors-of-good-and-evil/

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ngkqwxdu/narrative-play-in-middle-earthtm-the-desolation-of-smaugtm/]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11757497.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11757497.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11757653.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11757653.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11757659.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11757659.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11757683.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11757683.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11757732.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11757732.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/piux6zf8/sunday-preview-grand-cathay-marches-from-nan-gau/

Personally i'm in for two units of 12, 2 commands and Faramir.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11758266.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11758266.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 FW ones, and I really want that Faramir.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11758285.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11758285.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11758287.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11758287.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Looks like Faramir will be about £20 and the foot knights about £25.
Reasonable and about half the price of the resin ones if memory serves.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11758294.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11758294.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Based off that UK/US price list, I'm going to predict the Australian prices thus; Farmair at $50, the Captain/Banner at $80, Foot Knights at $110 and Mounted Knights at $60.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11758322.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11758322.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Price list:

Looks like Faramir will be about £20 and the foot knights about £25.
Reasonable and about half the price of the resin ones if memory serves.


Bit annoying that they are again dropping large old world and middle earth releases on the same weeks, especially for limited releases.

I have fair amount of stuff for a swan knight army anyway, but I need foot knights and more commanders. And I don't play MESBG, I have armies for war of the ring. So its going to be a costly week after having just picked up wood elves and beastmen. So I do wish they would spread out their fantasy releases, I'd hoped that HH would had come in-between some of these releases.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11758323.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11758323.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Mallo wrote:

Bit annoying that they are again dropping large old world and middle earth releases on the same weeks, especially for limited releases.


It turned out that Grand Cathay Battallion isn't limited edition after all. I guess it's time for me to pick up some MESBG instead. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11758358.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11758358.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 MESBG miniatures in the post, delivered by none other than The Man From Royal Mail, himself...

Hera and the Warg Chieftain are in the house, boys and girls!!!

Future purchases depends on GW's release schedule...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11758428.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11758428.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 was, I'm not if it still is, as I've not played the new edition) the best game in GW's stable.

If you haven't already, look at picking up the battle hosts. If they're armies that interest you, then they're great value and provide a great launch point for a new force.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11758526.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11758526.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 WOTR came along and the focus changed. I've been hanging on for missing characters for a rather long time now...
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11758617.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11758617.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Snrub wrote:
Welcome to what (was, I'm not if it still is, as I've not played the new edition) the best game in GW's stable.


People keep saying this, but it is simply not true. Once upon a time it may have been true, in the dark days of 2006-2016. Most of the MEsbg players I know are not gaming butterflies trying all of GW’s games. Now, when it comes to GW mass battle games, like 40K, AoS, Legions Imperialis, this claim may still hold up as true.

But GW has made some major innovations in the skirmish-scale rulesets that blow away MEsbg and other rulesets in terms of tight, engaging rules. Kill Team and Underworlds are amazing. Blitz Bowl is up there, and Adeptus Titanicus is solid.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11758632.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11758632.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11758636.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11758636.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Well, that's just like, your opinion man.


Sure… so was the post I responded to.

Yet, my opinion is not some random, baseless statement. I have been gaming for over 30 years. I’ve played 1000’s of different games and hundreds of miniature rulesets. MEsbg is a good, solid ruleset. But it’s a quarter-century old and there have been innovations since then that have bumped up other games above it. Still fun to play, but it doesn’t hold the mantle of No. 1 anymore in my opinion.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11758662.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11758662.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 My experience usually is "the Grass is always greener" and stuff. I started with lotr back then, saw some of its flaws (like dependance on rolling 6's or swingy cavalry rules) and tried out a couple of other games because of them, in the end they all have their own flaws and mesbg actually stays up there as a game that works from 2 to 80 miniatures and has that narrative side that no other GW game today has.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11758723.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11758723.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 MESBG with stuff like Blitz bowl or Underworld as they are a completely different beasts. It doesn't make sense.

I am a huge fan of Adeptus Titanicus, like the models and the lore but the system suffered the knight-only army plague and unfortunately some rule issues make it absolutely hard to play in a competitive manner - and the matched play guide couldn't do nothing, especially if the TO allows custom houses.

Lots of GW games are nice games, to be honest, it depends on what you seek. BUT...I tried almost every GW system so far but it's crazy how MESBG still remains, in my humble opinion, the best GW game, after 25 years since its launch.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11758747.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11758747.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
callidusx3 wrote:

Yet, my opinion is not some random, baseless statement. I have been gaming for over 30 years.



I've been gaming for nearly 40 so my opinion outranks yours then.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11758877.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11758877.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11758897.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11758897.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Snrub wrote:
What with plastic Imrahil, and the existing plastic mounted knights, dare we hope for some plastic foot knights/men-at-arms in the near future. And possibly a Dol Amroth battlehost? (Hint hint GW. Hint hint.)
Unfortunately seems very unlikely given that Men-at-arms of Dol Amroth have been moved to legacies. A shame; I really like their sensible-yet-decorative swam helmets and the overall Renaissancy look of pike blocks with heavy cav, all in plate armour (though preferring the more Dark Age aesthetics for Middle-earth overall and not feeling it's in line with how it's meant to be, but hey, they look great in isolation!). Until the big range purge, I had hoped for a metal re-release of the Men-at-arms to finally make that army with the plastic mounted knights, but alas...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11759110.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11759110.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Snrub wrote:
Based off that UK/US price list, I'm going to predict the Australian prices thus; Farmair at $50, the Captain/Banner at $80, Foot Knights at $110 and Mounted Knights at $60.
I wasn't far off with my guesses for Faramir who's $55 and Mounted Swan Knights who're $66 though. The foot Swan Knights come in at a surprising $74 for 6. That's much less then I would have expected. I wonder if they maybe switched the prices of the Foot Knights and Command by mistake.
Decided I'm not getting anything now, just out of spite.
Now, if no one objects, I'm going to go sulk about it loudly in this corner over here.



 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
Unfortunately seems very unlikely given that Men-at-arms of Dol Amroth have been moved to legacies.
Oh yeah. That's a bummer. Well I guess they could still do a pure Swan Knight battlehost if they end up making plastic foot knights. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11759266.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11759266.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11759272.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11759272.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Until then.... ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11759273.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11759273.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11759275.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11759275.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/xwgttbro/narrative-play-in-middle-earthtm-the-battle-of-the-five-armiestm/

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11764669.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11764669.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11764686.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11764686.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 WOTR campaign book. There really isn't anything else on the agenda for MESBG at the moment until Hunt For Gollum is released Christmas 2027...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11764758.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11764758.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11764761.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11764761.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11764779.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11764779.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Still havent' had the Wardrakes or catapult troll yet.

Or Leif, who has been shown but not released. We still need the other WotR characters too, but they haven't even shown those yet.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11765071.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11765071.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 Catapult Troll
Rhunish Drakes
Lief, Page of Helm
Frealaf, First Marshall
Olwyn, Shieldmaiden
Helm Hammerhand (In Armor / Mounted)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11765910.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11765910.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11768608.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11768608.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11768741.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11768741.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11768743.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11768743.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 WHFB chaosy), although I do prefer the FW version. He looks bloody huge though.

The first thing that happens though is that godawful hammer gets replaced with something a bit more sensible and Middle-earthesque.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11768744.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11768744.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11768746.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11768746.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
The thing I'm most excited about is the campaign book, a proper 11-scenario campaign sounds wonderful and I'm much more interested in collecting the minis from this LotR time period with those to play through rather than just the basic scenarios in the game box.

I liked the movie a lot, it felt like the most LotR-like media in a long time, not shying away from the darker or more mature elements of the setting, so it looks like something I'll pick up.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11768748.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11768748.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 GW prices for cavalry characters already meant that was true but if he came in a discount set I'd still be disinterested.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11768750.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11768750.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11768751.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11768751.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
scarletsquig wrote:
I like it, helm is the one exception where I don't mind a colossal hammer, given that in the background he has a near-mythical level of strength for a human.

The thing I'm most excited about is the campaign book, a proper 11-scenario campaign sounds wonderful and I'm much more interested in collecting the minis from this LotR time period with those to play through rather than just the basic scenarios in the game box.

I liked the movie a lot, it felt like the most LotR-like media in a long time, not shying away from the darker or more mature elements of the setting, so it looks like something I'll pick up.


I agree, i think it suits his mythical strength. Also i really didn't like the old ones "looking over the shoulder" pose. Always looks weird when he's moving forward or fighting that he's always looking backwards.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11768819.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11768819.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I agree, i think it suits his mythical strength. Also i really didn't like the old ones "looking over the shoulder" pose. Always looks weird when he's moving forward or fighting that he's always looking backwards.
That particular pose, odd as it admittedly is, I think would work a lot better if he had his sword raised in a "Follow me men!" pose.
Like he's commanding his soldiers forward.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11768824.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11768824.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 GW release.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11768914.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11768914.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/jasyy6qx/middle-earthtm-faq-designers-commentary-on-the-new-edition/

New faqs are up]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11769624.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11769624.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/jdaeerrz/frealaf-hildeson-and-olwyn-arrive-in-middle-earthtm-strategy-battle-game/]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11770370.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11770370.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11770374.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11770374.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11770397.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11770397.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Working on a Warg Chieftain and thinking "An Isenguard Werewarg in Edoras", and along with Hera they make quite a nice cast. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11770409.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11770409.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
I think that's everyone now. Helm, Frealaf, Olwyn, Lief, Hera, Haleth, Hama. The entire main cast of good guys from War of the Rohirrim. Nice that they're including Frealaf, Olwyn, and Lief in a set, as they're likely to be cheaper together than they would have been separately (although the downside is obviously you have to get ALL of them or none).

As far as the newly revealed characters go, I'd say they're solid. The horses are excellent. Indeed, given how good most of the horses from the recent releases/reveals have been, the icing on the cake at this point would be for GW to reveal a new Riders of Rohan kit. The current ones just look like ass next to the new Warriors and the WotR characters.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11770508.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11770508.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11770528.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11770528.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11770551.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11770551.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 Hopefully they will put out a fully armored Fréaláf sometime in the future.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11770552.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11770552.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Lief for example is a good example of a character that would make for good conversion material- not often you get a good base model for a younger miniature in wargaming (especially from GW)

But it is what it is, and if they do offer a small discount for having three together compared to selling them alone, its not a bad compromise. I'd have brought all the plastic characters anyway, its only forgeworld stuff I'm more choosy over. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11770563.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11770563.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 really like the Olwyn model a lot. Looks fun to paint and would be great for D&D.

I always liked how the LOTR models routinely have mounted & dismounted characters. Last time I remember Warhammer doing that was for the 6th Editions Vampire Counts.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11770579.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11770579.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 TOW Cathay officer they just released comes with a mounted/dismounted version, and the two tomb king hero kits announced a few weeks ago are the same.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11770628.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11770628.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
chaos0xomega wrote:
Err, the TOW Cathay officer they just released comes with a mounted/dismounted version, and the two tomb king hero kits announced a few weeks ago are the same.


Those come with both mounted and dismounted sets of character types(which was fairly common), the Vampire Counts actually came with matching mounted and dismounted versions of the same figure, which is the main difference.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11770630.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11770630.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
EDIT: Platuan4th is hard to spell.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11770669.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11770669.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11770735.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11770735.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 RaptorusRex wrote:
Why is Fréaláf white?


His clothes and armour appear to be film accurate.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11770751.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11770751.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 RaptorusRex wrote:
Why is Fréaláf white?


It's tied to the War of the Rohirrim film so they don't have much choice. Some very questionable costumes in that film.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11770760.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11770760.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11770767.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11770767.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ceirqemh/sunday-preview-miao-ying-raises-a-storm-in-the-old-world/]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11771760.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11771760.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11771773.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11771773.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11771775.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11771775.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
And now that I'm looking at the troll again, it could be a decent model once the catapult is removed (and repurposed into a more sensible piece of siege equipment).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11771776.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11771776.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11771781.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11771781.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11771939.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11771939.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11773094.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11773094.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 LotR models, but they're so good I really, really want to find a place for them other than as Salamanders stand-ins.

Posh Sumpkrocs maybe?

And the troll's catapult is even sillier up close.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11773096.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11773096.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 The drakes look good, and although high like all GW prices for resin, are more reasonable.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11773185.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11773185.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11773186.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11773186.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Seren Nishiyama wrote:
Ha! The catapult troll is insanely overpriced. $210 ?! I was figuring $140 tops. Wow. They must not want to sell any of those.
The drakes look good, and although high like all GW prices for resin, are more reasonable.


I think you might be underestimating the size of that thing (or I might be overestimating it), but with Forgeworld I wouldn't have been surprised if they had sold it for 200€/170£]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11773191.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11773191.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I mean, it's literally sold out within half an hour of going up. So i think they sold all of them.


Well, to be fair we really don't know what that means in terms of sales. They could have done a very small run and sold out of them. Unless we know the numbers produced then we really don't know anything. Still available in the US so far.

But who knows? You might be right.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11773192.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11773192.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11773193.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11773193.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Seren Nishiyama wrote:
Ha! The catapult troll is insanely overpriced. $210 ?! I was figuring $140 tops. Wow. They must not want to sell any of those.
The drakes look good, and although high like all GW prices for resin, are more reasonable.


I think you might be underestimating the size of that thing (or I might be overestimating it), but with Forgeworld I wouldn't have been surprised if they had sold it for 200€/170£


You might be right. Comparing the 160 mm base to give scale for the height of the model that makes it on par with the height of the other gundabad trolls, but the catapult troll is more chunky and has more stuff included (crew, etc).
I wanted to buy at least two, but that price will exceed the cost of a monthly car payment. A little pricey for me. I'm sure it's fine for some people though, so enjoy. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11773194.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11773194.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Speaking of Smaug, a one-off epic-size model would be ideal as a FW release. Afterall, there's plenty of customers who buy GW models and never touch the games. Forgeworld, with it's limited stock, should fill that niche quite comfortably.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11773250.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11773250.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Well, that was fast.


Well, that's sorted at least half of the UK's deficit then.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11773500.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11773500.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
https://spruesandbrews.com/2025/08/28/gundabad-catapult-troll-war-drakes-of-rhun-unboxing-and-review-middle-earth-sbg/?fbclid=IwY2xjawMdZL5leHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHl2YFiCkEwiecEEa1ppkOCQ76QB5N_y-1gKYYBGgI91i6crGZoc7sPP3F19D_aem_DmuyC2Q7URcujFqR7byyLQ

Surprisingly, the troll only seems to be in 3 major pieces. Now that it doesn't look so horrific to build, i may grab one.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11774219.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11774219.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/qnxe95ul/sunday-preview-super-heavy-metal-in-the-age-of-darkness/?fbclid=IwY2xjawMz2plleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHgpHtkEn8kShfbEhlLeOR0aIuSOj3xK7gcZVKBv0cfAXMt-IWrFG4aIUtewj_aem_7AO6ct4tEvN3Zt1U3Pp4Sw

and some very pretty looking dice too.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11777498.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11777498.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11777535.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11777535.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11777540.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11777540.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11777571.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11777571.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 The three-pack around $65, and the book around $35 (paperback).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11777648.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11777648.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11778633.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11778633.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Stealth Theodred release in resin tomorrow


He's a pretty crappy rogue. He looks quite obvious in those poses like he's not even trying to sneak up on anyone! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11778639.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11778639.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11778655.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11778655.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 warboss wrote:
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Stealth Theodred release in resin tomorrow


He's a pretty crappy rogue. He looks quite obvious in those poses like he's not even trying to sneak up on anyone!


He's actually in the horse costume. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11778661.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11778661.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Shakalooloo wrote:
 warboss wrote:
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Stealth Theodred release in resin tomorrow


He's a pretty crappy rogue. He looks quite obvious in those poses like he's not even trying to sneak up on anyone!


He's actually in the horse costume.


Lol... the ace ventura tactic. I take it all back as his disguise clearly fooled me; stealth achievement unlocked!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11778677.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11778677.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
£32 for the triple pack. I am shockingly impressed.


All of the prices are very reasonable. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11778692.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11778692.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 GW standards. I'll have to grab them and Helm at some point to complete my Army of Edoras collection (don't have Bride Hera or Wraith Helm, probably don't want or need them either).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11778756.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11778756.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
The journal is sold out on Wayland so I'll have to get that later on when it's available.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11778769.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11778769.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11786932.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11786932.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69

Bill definitely deserves a new sculpt. He's key to everything in Lord of the Rings - even Sauron would dismiss his servants to have a good ol' cry in peace over poor Bill's fate, seen through his seeing stone. In fact, GW should release a new kit for Sauron - not about to bash Isildur over the bean repeatedly, but overcome with joy embracing Bill.

Sauron & Bill. £32.50. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11786941.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11786941.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11786944.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11786944.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 GW something to work with, so Sauron and Isildur should happen then if we're lucky.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11786968.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11786968.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11787041.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11787041.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69

Kale wrote:
Must get my eyes checked. I read that as 'Made to Mordor'
Got a genuine snort of laughter out of me with that one.
GW are missing a trick not using that. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11787098.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11787098.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
SamusDrake wrote:
Yeah, joking aside, I'm guessing that a new edition will drop around December 2027 to coincide with The Hunt For Gollum.


Given I've played more of the last edition than the current one since its release a new edition would have to be pretty spectacular for me to pick up.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11787988.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11787988.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/amxn8f1q/sunday-preview-get-into-the-melee-with-assault-terminators-and-chaos-marauders/

Including a couple of bits not mentioned before in Rivendell Gandalf and the casualties set.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11789983.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11789983.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 FW version. Wouldn't mind having Arwen with Frodo either, although I'm not really planning to run that list. None of the rest of it interests me whatsoever.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11789998.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11789998.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11790009.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11790009.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11790030.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11790030.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/xxrvgot1/sunday-preview-prepare-to-enter-the-jade-abbey-in-warhammer-quest-darkwater/]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791464.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791464.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 GW is very good at concealing MESBG news!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791479.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791479.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791561.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791561.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 tbh.

It would be nice to see more plastic heroes redone, from Boromir to Sauron. Hard to see, I know.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791579.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791579.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791599.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791599.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791605.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791605.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 Play hide and seek with Shelob™, Gollum™, and a new Middle-earth™ journal




]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791638.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791638.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791639.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791639.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791640.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791640.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791641.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791641.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Very happy about this. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791642.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791642.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 The Bravery of Master Samwise scenario. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791644.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791644.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69

Maybe even a box of plastic Dead Marsh Spectres?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791689.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791689.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791694.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791694.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791708.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791708.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791711.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791711.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791723.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791723.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69

My brother brought home the ROTK rule book from a car boot sale a few years ago and immediately I was overjoyed with all the rules to run not only the game but the Shelob scenario. I'm just wondering if the new journal will have a scenario for the trio avoiding the Easterlings at the Blackgate...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791726.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791726.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791731.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791731.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 IIRC in the movie she spent most of her time attacking from above until Sam stabbed her from below, and the added height helps with that without having her either rearing up or just standing flat on a base. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791742.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791742.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69

I didn't have Shelob on my list, but what an upgrade that is! From the looks of it, I'm guessing an 80mm base? Which I'm not sad about. Old Shelob needs a big base. Her metal model I felt was actually a touch too small.And for once an entirely appropriate use of tactical rocks.
A proper, menacing looking lumpy old unspeakable horror she is!


Now for as great as Shelob is, can we just focus our attention on Gollum for a second. What the hell is going on there? Terrible paintjob from the studio. The hair is a hopeless imitation of the characters actual (lack of) hair and the face is.... way off. Lets not even get started on the ankle that they couldn't be bothered gap filling.


I shudder to think of what the price might be. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791763.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791763.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
The only way I'd feel that this kit was 'complete' is if we get a new orc character kit, with a few new orcs + Sam along side this release as well.

I'm not against them doing something new with these books/releases rather than rehashing the same old releases time and time again, but its also strange that they are also passing over doing things like a new fellowship kit, or a new orc kit similar to recent starter box kits, for a 'one off' monster kit and still rehashing/replacing a Gollum model that is in wide circulation.




]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791780.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791780.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791782.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791782.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Gakky that Sam isn't included when you need him for what they directly state is the intended scenario for this mini.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791789.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791789.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
I hope it's not an 80mm base! If it is, I'll pass.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791801.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791801.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791806.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791806.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Vorian wrote:
Hopefully we see an appropriately armed Sam coming with Ugluk and Grishnak in a similar release


You probably mean Gorbag and Shagrath ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791894.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791894.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791906.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11791906.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/dcuclxww/sunday-preview-angron-transfigured-stares-down-the-new-skitarii/

And strangely, the resin Swan Knights are back, but being treated like a new release? Do like the Cirith-Ungol dice however.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11798880.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11798880.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
All the same I'm looking forward to it.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11798888.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11798888.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 GW's...
Shelob is really nice, and I don't miss Sam as I have one already, but it somehow sucks if you don't.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11798907.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11798907.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Surely you can find black dice with a spider for more reasonable pricing than GW's...
Shelob is really nice, and I don't miss Sam as I have one already, but it somehow sucks if you don't.



Actually these dice look pretty cool, I bet they will sell out fast too.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11798918.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11798918.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/jng5mtow/the-treachery-of-gollumtm-designers-notes-on-the-new-middle-earthtm-journal/]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11799015.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11799015.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11799020.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11799020.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 NAVARRO wrote:
Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Surely you can find black dice with a spider for more reasonable pricing than GW's...
Shelob is really nice, and I don't miss Sam as I have one already, but it somehow sucks if you don't.



Actually these dice look pretty cool, I bet they will sell out fast too.
Agreed, those are nicely designed dice. Similar to what you'd imagine painted on an Orc banner, simple straightforward and legible colours, while not being boring to look at.
As for their availability, have any recent dice not sold out quickly? I didn't think the recent beige Dunland dice with the stylised crow/crebain would be super popular (no iconic design, and unsure how popular the army is even with new plastics?), but I still found it impossible to purchase from GW on release day (thankfully found a store that could secure 3 boxes on pre-order; love me some corvids). ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11799023.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11799023.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11799029.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11799029.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11799037.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11799037.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
 NAVARRO wrote:
Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Surely you can find black dice with a spider for more reasonable pricing than GW's...
Shelob is really nice, and I don't miss Sam as I have one already, but it somehow sucks if you don't.



Actually these dice look pretty cool, I bet they will sell out fast too.
Agreed, those are nicely designed dice. Similar to what you'd imagine painted on an Orc banner, simple straightforward and legible colours, while not being boring to look at.
As for their availability, have any recent dice not sold out quickly? I didn't think the recent beige Dunland dice with the stylised crow/crebain would be super popular (no iconic design, and unsure how popular the army is even with new plastics?), but I still found it impossible to purchase from GW on release day (thankfully found a store that could secure 3 boxes on pre-order; love me some corvids).


So far I've been able to get all GW dice sets I wanted, no matter if 40K, ME, Old World or AoS from retailers, sometimes a couple of weeks in.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11799045.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11799045.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Dice-wise they sell out almost as fast the Kill Team box sets. Right now I can get the Tribesmen set, but the Rohan ones went straight away.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11799087.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11799087.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Where is the miniature for Braga, Captain of Laketown Guard?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11801251.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11801251.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Seren Nishiyama wrote:
The real question is...

Where is the miniature for Braga, Captain of Laketown Guard?


Good question.

So far they've had a journal each for WOTR and LOTR. I'm guessing that the next one will be for The Hobbit, and if so he might be an accompanying release.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11801253.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11801253.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/wca5zc0o/relive-epic-moments-from-middle-earthtm-with-made-to-order-classics/

Including the Amon Hen, Amon Súl scenery and the original metal Three Hunters.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11803374.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11803374.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11803376.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11803376.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11803384.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11803384.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
I'd love to get my hands on both those terrain sets, but I can't imagine they'll be priced anywhere near sanely. Not least because they're FW.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11803388.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11803388.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11803390.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11803390.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
I'd be tempted by the terrain if I wasn't so sure it would cost my First Born.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11803392.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11803392.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
I bet it’ll be at least $600 for both pieces, though. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11803393.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11803393.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11803399.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11803399.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
Because good luck A) Finding one. B) Finding the other. or C) Getting it for not 10x the actual price.


I know it'll not happen as they were polystone and not resin. But damn, a man can dream.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11803473.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11803473.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11803485.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11803485.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
As majestic as it is, I'd have to go the route of DIY on this one. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11803525.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11803525.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Snrub wrote:
The real question is, will they ever find a way to do a MTO of the Helms Deep and Minas Tirith fortresses?

Because good luck A) Finding one. B) Finding the other. or C) Getting it for not 10x the actual price.


I know it'll not happen as they were polystone and not resin. But damn, a man can dream.


I see the Minas Tirith for 449 good boy points (612 US dollars) on ebay, not sure what it cost at release but that's... a lot.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11803738.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11803738.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69 ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11803800.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11803800.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
I shouldn't talk. I don't have one, and I too buy silly things for silly prices, but just need to note that.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11803804.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11803804.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Yeah it'll be more economical to buy a 3d printer.

I shouldn't talk. I don't have one, and I too buy silly things for silly prices, but just need to note that.


As someone that has zero interest in owning/maintaining/learning 3d printing, but didn't own anything to do with MESBG until part way through lockdown, decided one day that collecting it would be a good way to spend the time stuck at home, but now owns I'd say approximately 75-80% of the entire range ever made, I'm more than happy to see the made to orders. 3d printers might be economical, but for me would have zero joy.

Yes, they the MTO are costly but not as silly priced for what they would cost me for second hand. And as the large resin stuff is the some of the hardest to come by on the second hand market, and what I'm missing from my collection and I would love to be able to cross these off my collection list. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11803837.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11803837.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread. Battle of Edoras starter set . p.69
 cole1114 wrote:
I see the Minas Tirith for 449 good boy points (612 US dollars) on ebay, not sure what it cost at release but that's... a lot.
Well I found an old WD that had the Helms Deep listed. $100AUD as of Jan '03. Didn't have prices list for other countries though, so I don't know what it would have been in the US/UK.
I keep my eye out for them on the usual sites, and I've never seen one go for less then $450AUD.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11803932.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11803932.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11803951.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11803951.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread FAQs, errata, and small rules tweaks:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/po1dslbj/whats-new-in-the-latest-middle-earthtm-strategy-battle-game-designers-commentary/

Nothing earth-shattering, but Army of Thror got an upgrade to be allowed to take 50% of their warriors with hand weapons, so you can bring more Grim Hammers if you want. They also nerfed Depths of Moria's Drums in the Deep ability to once per game, and adjusted a couple of other things.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11805946.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11805946.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11806002.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11806002.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 ZergSmasher wrote:
Designer's commentary with FAQs, errata, and small rules tweaks:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/po1dslbj/whats-new-in-the-latest-middle-earthtm-strategy-battle-game-designers-commentary/

Nothing earth-shattering, but Army of Thror got an upgrade to be allowed to take 50% of their warriors with hand weapons, so you can bring more Grim Hammers if you want. They also nerfed Depths of Moria's Drums in the Deep ability to once per game, and adjusted a couple of other things.


No mention of Eagles Piercing Cry? That's one hell of a nerf / normalisation.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11806167.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11806167.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
The White Hand too was nerfed as Grima was a real pain.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11806358.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11806358.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11806994.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11806994.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ewwcqh21/sunday-preview-ahoy-me-hearties-space-pirates-inbound/

Just the three hunters for me i think.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11807443.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11807443.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11807448.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11807448.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11807530.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11807530.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread

Of course I'd love to get my hands on Amon Sul and Amon Hen, but they'll be priced ridiculously, so not liking my chances.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11807532.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11807532.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11807665.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11807665.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread

I bought both Attack at Weathertop and Ambush at Amon Hen last time they went up for MTO in April '22 and Jan '21 respectively. AaW was $135AUD and AaAH was $119AUD. The Weathertop Scenery piece was, when I last checked a few years ago, a teeth grinding $590AUD. I don't have a definite number for Amon Hen, but from memory it was roughly $300AUD.

My predictions this time around in AUD.
OG metal Fellowship - $150.
Attack at Weathertop - $160.
Ambush at Amon Hen - $180ish.
Three Hunters - $80.

Now I'm not sure that GW has ever included FW items in a MTO have they? Middle-earth or just generally. I'm going to place figures conservatively and say.
Weathertop - $650ish (My gut says go way higher though)
Amon Hen - $400.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11808150.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11808150.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11808151.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11808151.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11808492.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11808492.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread

OG Fellowship - $139
Ambush at Amon Hen - $150
Attack at Weathertop - $139
Three Hunters - $100
Amon Hen - $405
But Jesus wept, Weathertop - $798



$70 was my limit on the Three Hunters. I'll just find them... elsewhere now I think. With no small amount of luck maybe elsewhere might also have a Weathertop and Amon Hen available.... ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11808522.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11808522.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11808559.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11808559.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread FW resin. I can't imagine they will get much sold...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11808564.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11808564.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11808565.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11808565.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
I'd rather make my own out of foam any day.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11808566.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11808566.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11808568.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11808568.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW had finally lost their minds, then I realized those prices were in Aussie dollarydoos. The USD prices are high but not quite that insane.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11808632.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11808632.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Snrub wrote:

But Jesus wept, Weathertop - $798



3D printer goes what now?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11809113.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11809113.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 .Mikes. wrote:
 Snrub wrote:

But Jesus wept, Weathertop - $798



3D printer goes what now?



Well the stupid Elegoo I got a month ago goes back to the manufacturer and I just ordered a new Anycubic M7 this morning, but it will be going Brrrrrrrrrrrrr very soon.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11809379.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11809379.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
 Theophony wrote:
 .Mikes. wrote:
 Snrub wrote:

But Jesus wept, Weathertop - $798



3D printer goes what now?



Well the stupid Elegoo I got a month ago goes back to the manufacturer and I just ordered a new Anycubic M7 this morning, but it will be going Brrrrrrrrrrrrr very soon.


OT, but I got an Elegoo centauri carbon and it sucked the big one, and they replaced it and that shat the bed too, so i ended up getting my money back and spent it on another Bambu.

Bambu - it's worth the little extra (tm).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11809492.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11809492.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/kecnr4f7/adepticon-preview-2026-new-riders-of-rohantm-and-hill-tribestm-miniatures/

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11811911.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11811911.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11811929.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11811929.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11811936.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11811936.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread
New command looks excellent. Shame there's appears to not be much in the way of weapon/head options, but they're really nice sculpts, so that's an easy deficiency to overlook. Something about the Hill Tribes command is irking me though and I think it's the bone weapons. They're just out of place. Still, shouldn't be too hard to convert them if need be.
Now bring on the plastic Royal Guard. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11811995.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11811995.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11812019.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11812019.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11812047.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11812047.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11817724.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11817724.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread GW are going to drop both on me for a laugh.

Did they release the High Elf Blood Bowl team? Yeah, throw those in as well... ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11817752.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11817752.page GMT Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11817754.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11817754.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread KT tomorrow then. If not we'll just blow raspberries instead. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11817757.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11817757.page GMT Re:Middle-Earth SBG news/rumours thread

TOW and HH instead... ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11817836.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/784290/11817836.page GMT