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 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

That's the bride of death model on the previous page.

Thanks as I missed that since I only peripherally (and admittedly lazily in this context/case) follow the thread. It is indeed the outfit but I'm not a fan of the pose though sadly. I fully admit my goldilocksness in that regard though in looking for a Hera that is juuuuust right...

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
Difficult to tell from the sprue pictures, but looks like the Rohirrim do not have any clearly interchangeable parts, with heads probably only attaching to specific cloaks on account of the hair connection, and while a few melee-weapon arms look similar, others are cut off at different lengths so will require partial assembly and cutting before being interchangeable. At least the shields can be mixed freely, as also highlighted in the product description.

Just started building mine and correct, they aren't interchangeable and are very much in the vein of a lot of modern GW plastics in terms of how the parts all connect. A lot of the spear hands being separate does at least mean swapping those around (or with the hand weapons) wouldn't take much work at all. If nothing else, it's at least not a downgrade from the options available in the previous versions.

What has surprised me is the scale; I was expecting them to be bigger than the 2002 models but they're pretty much the same. If anything, the new ones have slightly smaller heads/hands due to them being able to produce better detail in plastic these days and there's otherwise no discernible difference, in terms of scale at least. Also pleasantly surprised at how well those old Warriors of Rohan are holding up these days. The new ones are very nice though; definitely an upgrade though I wouldn't hesitate to mix them in with the old.

Hopefully there's a refresh of a few more of the core troop plastics on the horizon. Last Alliance and Minas Tirith are probably the most in need. Moria Goblins and Isengard Uruks wouldn't hurt.

If the plastics are same same size as the old ones then that is a disappointment and pretty much a no go for me. Not that I'm asking them to become AOS sized, but they were smaller than the metals of the same era. Most historics these days are the same size as the LotR metals (probably as a result of the Perry's involvement in both) so if they haven't brought the plastics into the same scale as the metals I'll be sticking with those.

 Dawnbringer wrote:
If the plastics are same same size as the old ones then that is a disappointment and pretty much a no go for me. Not that I'm asking them to become AOS sized, but they were smaller than the metals of the same era. Most historics these days are the same size as the LotR metals (probably as a result of the Perry's involvement in both) so if they haven't brought the plastics into the same scale as the metals I'll be sticking with those.

Really? I've got a huge amount of that original range and they're pretty consistent between plastics/metals. Some of the post-original trilogy sculpts definitely got a bit loose (though there was a tangible dip in quality/effort in general) and the less said about the scale consistency of the finecast models, the better but I don't see much evidence for the original metals being noticeably bigger.

There really isn't much difference at all between plastics and metals. There were definitely some outliers like Erkenbrand who is huge, but scale is mostly pretty consistent. It's probably the first time i've seen anyone complain about the scale not increasing.

For those saying the range was consistent...

https://www.reddit.com/r/MiddleEarthMiniatures/comments/1ey157d/size_difference/

https://www.one-ring.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=34594

I mean at the end of the day it's all down to what you can personally tolerate. But I always found the original plastics (as in from the 2000-2003 era) were much closer to 25mm, while those done in metal, or the later plastics were 28mm. The original metal Faramir's gers Ranger in comparison to plastic WoMT was particularly noticeable, but sadly my collection is still in storage to I can't provide handy photos at this time.

I always found the metals a little more bulky than the plastics, but overall the range was pretty consistent in my eyes. The Hobbit upped the scale, with Thorin and Dwalin being as big as some of the older humans.

 Dawnbringer wrote:
For those saying the range was consistent...

https://www.reddit.com/r/MiddleEarthMiniatures/comments/1ey157d/size_difference/

https://www.one-ring.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=34594

I mean at the end of the day it's all down to what you can personally tolerate. But I always found the original plastics (as in from the 2000-2003 era) were much closer to 25mm, while those done in metal, or the later plastics were 28mm. The original metal Faramir's gers Ranger in comparison to plastic WoMT was particularly noticeable, but sadly my collection is still in storage to I can't provide handy photos at this time.

That's fair, though I did say that the post-trilogy releases were when it started to be a noticeable issue (and the Citadel Guard came out later with the Siege of Gondor expansion book). The rangers, I'll grant you, were probably a bit chunky though I wouldn't have said (from memory) that they were different enough to be a problem (likewise, mine are in a box somewhere so I'd have to shift things to compare).

I think this was the worst launch of a new Lotr edition I have ever seen.

No visibility on the (horrible) GW site when preorder was available (you had to find it in that)

Very few actual new item available al launch

Box lacking essential tokens

Day one faq, lot of mistakes in books - and im faqs too!

As far I can see new ruleset is not bad (nevertheless need true faqs as soon as possible) but building an army is a nightmare now (rules are so restrictive) and every army has so many special rules that it is a pain to remember all of them (typical GW bloating rules problems).

You must be in the minority then, as it's probably the most popular it's been in a long, long time. I haven't seen the starter box sell out for the game since the original launch I think.

List building is fine, it's no more difficult than it was before and I'm looking forward towards the third book for all the off kilter lists. As for typos, expect that from GW.

Loads of lists don't exist in the game for popular factions so how is list building fine?

That's why I mentioned the third book. Which we're all waiting for with baited breath.

Johanxp wrote:
I think this was the worst launch of a new Lotr edition I have ever seen.

No visibility on the (horrible) GW site when preorder was available (you had to find it in that)

Very few actual new item available al launch

Box lacking essential tokens

Day one faq, lot of mistakes in books - and im faqs too!

As far I can see new ruleset is not bad (nevertheless need true faqs as soon as possible) but building an army is a nightmare now (rules are so restrictive) and every army has so many special rules that it is a pain to remember all of them (typical GW bloating rules problems).

I'd add to that list something that's bugging me more than anything else: no translations (yet?).

The most recent starter prior to this one, battle for osgiliath, sold out on release fully. I foolishly opted not to buy it at the time and had to wait months to get my hands on it because even third party retailers sold out.

Battle for Edoras on the other hand is hardly sold out anywhere, its still available on the us gw site, as well as in decent quamtities at most major us and uk online retailers.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:

I'd add to that list something that's bugging me more than anything else: no translations (yet?).

most likely never as also translations for other specialist games are gone

And as new rules are a side grade and no upgrade, no real reason to switch from last years book

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
You must be in the minority then, as it's probably the most popular it's been in a long, long time.

but this already happened with the new Edition last year, popularity carried over more than it was started with that edition

 kodos wrote:

Sgt. Cortez wrote:

I'd add to that list something that's bugging me more than anything else: no translations (yet?).

most likely never as also translations for other specialist games are gone

And as new rules are a side grade and no upgrade, no real reason to switch from last years book

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
You must be in the minority then, as it's probably the most popular it's been in a long, long time.

but this already happened with the new Edition last year, popularity carried over more than it was started with that edition

Due to the popularity of the game in Germany they started to translate some of the campaign books, but already stopped before the last one IIRC. So... we'll see. If there's no german version I'll stick to the old one, it's as easy as that.

They translated all rules until the last edition rulebook a year ago and it was always available on release with everything else

This edition has no translation at all and as all books are obsolete not having a translation on release indicates that there won't be one

Could try emailing the FAQ address to ask about it.

So is there any news when the Armies of Middle Earth book is coming out? The current two books seem kind of incomplete with a large portion of the range missing.

I'd guess very soon, unless the War of the Rohirrim characters are already in the LOTR or Hobbit books?

I believe all the currently available War of the Rohirrrim content is covered by the Armies of the Lord of the Rings book.

Hera and the snowtroll and the hero's split already from the Edoras box. As well as a metric tonnage of returning kits:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/505blk2u/sunday-preview-the-death-korps-march-for-krieg/

I hope the command sets come back in metal.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Hera and the snowtroll and the hero's split already from the Edoras box. As well as a metric tonnage of returning kits:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/505blk2u/sunday-preview-the-death-korps-march-for-krieg/

Some oddities with those 'returning to the range' sets given some of them never actually left (and are actually available to purchase right now).

Guessing those command sets are still going to be (sigh) finecast in some cases.

JimmyWolf87 wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Hera and the snowtroll and the hero's split already from the Edoras box. As well as a metric tonnage of returning kits:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/505blk2u/sunday-preview-the-death-korps-march-for-krieg/

Some oddities with those 'returning to the range' sets given some of them never actually left (and are actually available to purchase right now).

Guessing those command sets are still going to be (sigh) finecast in some cases.

I think some of these command sets were never metal, so they'll stay Failcast (the Rohan and Gondor one? I don't collect these factions so I wouldn't know). Also anything from the Hobbit won't transition to superior metal.
I think with some "re-releases" they just reduced them, i.e. threw models out that are "legends" now, like that Knight of the White tower or whatever he was called.

All the command sets were metal. The only guaranteed finecast are Thranduil, the trolls, Gundabad warband, Bard and The Watcher. I'm most interested in if all the war machines come back in metal.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:

JimmyWolf87 wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Hera and the snowtroll and the hero's split already from the Edoras box. As well as a metric tonnage of returning kits:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/505blk2u/sunday-preview-the-death-korps-march-for-krieg/

Some oddities with those 'returning to the range' sets given some of them never actually left (and are actually available to purchase right now).

Guessing those command sets are still going to be (sigh) finecast in some cases.

I think some of these command sets were never metal, so they'll stay Failcast (the Rohan and Gondor one? I don't collect these factions so I wouldn't know). Also anything from the Hobbit won't transition to superior metal.
I think with some "re-releases" they just reduced them, i.e. threw models out that are "legends" now, like that Knight of the White tower or whatever he was called.

Yes some of them have had their 4th model removed. Bit of a shame; Knight of the White Tower was a lovely sculpt. Awful material but a lovely sculpt.

JimmyWolf87 wrote:

Yes some of them have had their 4th model removed. Bit of a shame; Knight of the White Tower was a lovely sculpt. Awful material but a lovely sculpt.

I think the 4th model was removed because they had only ever been in Finecast, while the others had once been in metal.

 Dawnbringer wrote:

JimmyWolf87 wrote:

Yes some of them have had their 4th model removed. Bit of a shame; Knight of the White Tower was a lovely sculpt. Awful material but a lovely sculpt.

I think the 4th model was removed because they had only ever been in Finecast, while the others had once been in metal.

I think it's more that a lot of them were GW 'creations' (to a degree) and didn't appear on screen (shamans, Knight of the White Tower etc.) so weren't going to be in the new edition, though that does also correlate with the FC/Metal incarnations in a fair few cases.

Well bugger, the war machines are still in resin. That's a shame, I wanted the trebuchets counter weight as a solid hunk of metal as it should have been.