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Gimmicky, maybe. I'm torn about them, as I already have some warriors of the dead from the Battle of Pelennor Fields box, but I like the idea of having them all in translucent plastic better - though the riders of the dead will never get that treatment (unless GW surprises us) so... I guess I'll pick some up and mix them in.

Also, how the hell did you not post the terrain bundle??!? Thats the big news IMO.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Interesting. Just need to base and the army is done. More interested in the terrain bundle however.

Been waiting for this. It will finish my Osgiliath board off very nicely.

Any of you good folks who seem able to estimate the prices of these things have an idea what it'll be?

Well the retail looks like £280. So if we assume this is going to be an xmas bundle box, i'm going to guess around 180-200

Thanks

Well hello there.

I hope they stick around long enough for me to get some. Does anyone know how/if this clear resin affects detail quality?

its plastic, not resin. Its the same exact details as the standard kit, just clear, which makes it harder to see unless you paint it.

Well I'm very (pleasantly) surprised.

I'd seen rumours that the mansion & tower were gone for good due to mould breakages, which was reinforced that fact that they were showing on the store as 'no longer available online'.

I need one more mansion to finish a small build table and was annoyed when I skipped over buying another one at the time thinking it would be around for a long time.

But I'll happily buy a couple of these bundles and have a bunch spare for a much bigger and better table!

I love the deadmen of dunharrow in clear plastic. I shouldn't really, as its really gimmicky and is just more money for sculpts I already have. But clear plastic minis, I wonder if they are testing this to move over to more clear parts, like the new D&D minis have clear/coloured plastic like fireballs & ghosts.

I'm still not sure what this means for the games future, but its nice to know that at least in the short term we have some good terrain coming back.

The games future is fine. They hired two new sculptors for it a few months back.

 Snrub wrote:
Well hello there.

I hope they stick around long enough for me to get some. Does anyone know how/if this clear resin affects detail quality?

You usually find that clear HIPS tends to be more brittle than the normal stuff (although i don't have much experience with GW specifically it's a common issue with minis from other manufactuers)

 Mallo wrote:
Well I'm very (pleasantly) surprised.

I'd seen rumours that the mansion & tower were gone for good due to mould breakages, which was reinforced that fact that they were showing on the store as 'no longer available online'.

I need one more mansion to finish a small build table and was annoyed when I skipped over buying another one at the time thinking it would be around for a long time.

But I'll happily buy a couple of these bundles and have a bunch spare for a much bigger and better table!

I love the deadmen of dunharrow in clear plastic. I shouldn't really, as its really gimmicky and is just more money for sculpts I already have. But clear plastic minis, I wonder if they are testing this to move over to more clear parts, like the new D&D minis have clear/coloured plastic like fireballs & ghosts.

I'm still not sure what this means for the games future, but its nice to know that at least in the short term we have some good terrain coming back.

If they re-release nighthaunt in clear plastic, I'm going to riot.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

 Snrub wrote:
Well hello there.
I hope they stick around long enough for me to get some. Does anyone know how/if this clear resin affects detail quality?

You usually find that clear HIPS tends to be more brittle than the normal stuff (although i don't have much experience with GW specifically it's a common issue with minis from other manufactuers)

This is my experience as well.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Well the retail looks like £280. So if we assume this is going to be an xmas bundle box, i'm going to guess around 180-200

It does not look like this will be a Christmas Bundle.

“The Armies of the Dead will be available to pre-order soon, with Osgiliath following later next year. Make sure to check back with Warhammer Community to find out when, and for all the latest news from Middle-earth.”

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/11/20/the-armies-of-the-dead-fulfil-their-oath-in-new-translucent-plastic-kits/

I quite like the translucent Army of the Dead minis. I have been painting up my current Army of the Dead minis as Black Numenoreans.

It's a gimmick but a nice one, tho wouldn't green make more sense? I traded away my Pelennor Fields ghost sprues, might pick up a force now. And that terrain pack for sure if it's available with retail discount.

If the Fortress of Dol Guldur and Rohan Stronghold boxes are any indication, its a $315-320 box set.

The terrain bundle is fantastic, whole table in a box and broadly useful for a lot of different gaming systems in addition to LotR, which is exactly what you want from a terrain collection.

Tilean settlement for WHFB, Kings of War Basilean city, full frostgrave table and could represent wealthier areas of Mordheim, such as a non-sigmarite temple complex.

Probably the best set of fantasy terrain GW has made in at least 10 years.

scarletsquig wrote:
The terrain bundle is fantastic, whole table in a box and broadly useful for a lot of different gaming systems in addition to LotR, which is exactly what you want from a terrain collection.

Tilean settlement for WHFB, Kings of War Basilean city, full frostgrave table and could represent wealthier areas of Mordheim, such as a non-sigmarite temple complex.

Probably the best set of fantasy terrain GW has made in at least 10 years.

The terrain is a bit small to be used with 28mm+ figures.

1x Gondor Tower
3x Gondor Mansions
3x (?) Gondor Ruins

That's a great box, let's hope it comes with a great price as well!

chaos0xomega wrote:

The terrain is a bit small to be used with 28mm+ figures.

that's an odd claim since MESBG is "28mm scale". also, not true anyways, the newer plastic Osgiliath kits are massive and definitely works for figures up to 1/48 scale. Even the doors are sized to nearly twice the height of a warrior of Minas Tirith.

 judgedoug wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

The terrain is a bit small to be used with 28mm+ figures.

that's an odd claim since MESBG is "28mm scale". also, not true anyways, the newer plastic Osgiliath kits are massive and definitely works for figures up to 1/48 scale. Even the doors are sized to nearly twice the height of a warrior of Minas Tirith.

MESBG is 25mm scale and always has been.


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Also, the doorways are sized to fit 25mm bases, with the growing list of things that aren't on 25mm bases in other games, that alone starts to present a problem. Also a bit incredulous about your perspective on the doors - they are not that much larger than gondor warriors, unless you mean the archways, which is a different conversation.

The doors are 25mm wide and 45mm high.

I'm sat with an empire swordsman on a new 25mm base and a built mansion. Looks fine to me.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

The terrain is a bit small to be used with 28mm+ figures.

that's an odd claim since MESBG is "28mm scale". also, not true anyways, the newer plastic Osgiliath kits are massive and definitely works for figures up to 1/48 scale. Even the doors are sized to nearly twice the height of a warrior of Minas Tirith.

MESBG is 25mm scale and always has been.


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Also, the doorways are sized to fit 25mm bases, with the growing list of things that aren't on 25mm bases in other games, that alone starts to present a problem. Also a bit incredulous about your perspective on the doors - they are not that much larger than gondor warriors, unless you mean the archways, which is a different conversation.

It's 28mm true scale. Has been since its inception.

chaos0xomega wrote:

MESBG is 25mm scale and always has been.

it is not and never has been. edit: inb4 "warriors of the last alliance are so tiny!" indeed the first plastics ever made are smaller than all later plastics but even the plastic Numenoreans are not "25mm scale".

The early marketing copy for the game literally referred to the miniatures as 25mm scale miniatures. I was literally looking at it the other day while I was cleaning out the basement of a store owned by a friend who passed away.

and it was, and is 25mm specifically because GWs contract meant the scale had to be different from Warhammer (this contract is also why they have "no swapsies" rules about using the models in warhammer, officially at least)

chaos0xomega wrote:


MESBG is 25mm scale and always has been

.

MESBG hasn't had a consistent scale. The original plastics were 25mm, but metals never really were. The old metal rangers were giants comparatively. In general the metals fit with Perry Historicals, and those are 28mm.

My favorite part of this is that there is an argument _here_ that MESBG, despite huamn-sized infantry models going up to 32mm in height (some more, Dunedain are particularly tall, almost 35mm), are 25mm; while over on TMP, any time MESBG figures are brought up there's loads of complaints of how huge they are and don't fit into 25mm armies.

Anyway moving away from people measuring 25mm to the middle of the chest to determine scale or whatever, the new plastic Gondor terrain is absolutely compatible with pretty much everything in this "range" of fantasy miniatures.

Well, I guess that explains why some of the metal (or these days finecast) minis seem to be so grossly oversized compared to everything else. Black Numenorean warriors are giants compared to every other plastic human mini I own.

the Gondor terrain is fantastic, a pig to build with so many parts but seriously well thought out and flexible because of it

can see trying to get hold of that boxed set, with the ruins I already have thats plenty for a good table, not just for Middle Earth either, for any fantasy skirmish type system as well

Dakka should just change the 'News & Rumours' forum to be "Scale conversations" at this point

Don't know why but I need to buy those "new" models. They look gorgeous and superfast to field painted and based.

Ive heard from friends who have painted translucent minis for malifaux that they are a nightmare to paint well because you can very easily overpaint them and ruin the translucent effect, etc. I would guess that having an airbrush probably helps a lot.