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 ZergSmasher wrote:
I'll probably want that new starter (although I definitely don't need MORE Morannon Orcs or another Troll- oh who am I kidding, I love Trolls!), and I'll probably get at least the Rohan battleforce, as I need the plastic Eomer and more Rohan models (particularly the infantry for the Defenders of Helm's Deep LL). And I probably want Rumil and Orophin for my Lorien army (which I'll probably order at the same time as I get the Dragon Emperor of Rhun to save on shipping).

My wallet is in the corner crying...

With complete new Miniatures, the Osgiliath Set would had been an Instand Buy for me...

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Jesus, that was fast:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/08/07/sunday-preview-massed-reinforcements-for-warhammer-the-horus-heresy/?fbclid=IwAR1PGuIv2o1JtWzkqLc4ToZBI89yGYQJJle2qLJOeUBA9lPjo9jZ5Jv9xoI

Indeed - it'll be interesting to see the price on Friday.

Is that enough Elf releases close enough together to (probably) get you to free shipping, Kan?

 Dysartes wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Jesus, that was fast:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/08/07/sunday-preview-massed-reinforcements-for-warhammer-the-horus-heresy/?fbclid=IwAR1PGuIv2o1JtWzkqLc4ToZBI89yGYQJJle2qLJOeUBA9lPjo9jZ5Jv9xoI

Indeed - it'll be interesting to see the price on Friday.

Is that enough Elf releases close enough together to (probably) get you to free shipping, Kan?

Yes, but they're not the same faction.

Hope the battle host boxes are popular and are expanded. I'd snap up ones for Dwarfs, Corsairs or Harad in a second!

 Fergie0044 wrote:
Hope the battle host boxes are popular and are expanded. I'd snap up ones for Dwarfs, Corsairs or Harad in a second!

I suspect they want to keep them entirely plastic, which rules out a lot of factions if they stick to the hero & warband(s) formula. I'd love to see some plastic heroes for moria or khazad dum but I doubt it'll happen (if we ignore the balrog...)

I wish they wouldn't replace Pelannor and instead just have a different starter box. A shame its going away.

Just make an Ungoliant model already, you cowards!

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
I wish they wouldn't replace Pelannor and instead just have a different starter box. A shame its going away.

Eh with mordor side almost same it hardly makes sense to do 2 almost identical sets...They don't do that in 40k/aos side either.

You might have better luck getting smaller sets from same overall model like in 40k/aos side but not much room for that especially if heroes are one sprue per side. Faramir + rangers vs gothmog on foot+half the orcs, then full set minus terrain and full set for example.

But even that is expecting too much from minor game. It's not 40k/aos level game.

Since these boxes just scoop up and use existing models, I don't see what would be so hard about having multiple starters for Middle Earth. They have multiple start collecting boxes for 40K, this would be no more difficult. Other than eventually they just don't sell anymore because everyone who wanted one, bought one, and new players are actually nearly as rare as hen's teeth for GW.

Except the 40k/aos are parts of same set. Equilavent would be say faramir and half gondors vs foot gothhmog and half mordor orcs. If foot gothmog and faramir can't be separated from rest doesn't work.

You don't have 2 big starters in 40k/aos. Don't expect gw to put more support to side game than their main cash　makers.

tneva82 wrote:
Except the 40k/aos are parts of same set. Equilavent would be say faramir and half gondors vs foot gothhmog and half mordor orcs. If foot gothmog and faramir can't be separated from rest doesn't work.

You don't have 2 big starters in 40k/aos. Don't expect gw to put more support to side game than their main cash　makers.

Well, all of that's correct, but I would say GW might think about thinking slightly outside the box. If for no other reason than this game isn't that big and doesn't sell that much. They're all actually just little plastic men, there is no difference between any of them, they could sell five army vs. army starter sets just as easily as they can sell a 40K Start Collecting box. The distinction is entirely in their heads.

But I think their stuff is overpriced and tend to think they need to bundle it more aggressively in general.

 frankelee wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Except the 40k/aos are parts of same set. Equilavent would be say faramir and half gondors vs foot gothhmog and half mordor orcs. If foot gothmog and faramir can't be separated from rest doesn't work.

You don't have 2 big starters in 40k/aos. Don't expect gw to put more support to side game than their main cash　makers.

Well, all of that's correct, but I would say GW might think about thinking slightly outside the box. If for no other reason than this game isn't that big and doesn't sell that muchl.

The fact we're getting a new starter and army boxes should be telling you the opposite of that.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 frankelee wrote:


Well, all of that's correct, but I would say GW might think about thinking slightly outside the box. If for no other reason than this game isn't that big and doesn't sell that muchl.

The fact we're getting a new starter and army boxes should be telling you the opposite of that.

When the great majority of the game’s releases are either Forgeworld or repackaging of 15+ year old plastics, then I’m inclined to believe either sales are low relative to other systems or that GW is specifically avoiding investing in MESBG models because of the license fee.

That's some...interesting thinking there to be perfectly honest.

another good reason for not making many more sculpts may well be how hard it is (now) to get them approved

when LoTR was new and fresh and only just released the licensors would have had plenty of folk assigned to keep the licencees happy and buying new licences

now there are going to be far fewer of them, and they're probably also dealing with a whole bunch of other old films too

(and i'm not sure if only new line will have to approve things?)

so a slow release pace may not only be down to a limited amount of production time

(edit: read up on the whole Prodos Alien vs Predator saga and all the trouble they had getting approvals back from Fox to see how much of a pain approvals can be)

Very excited for all the hints Adam was dropping in the stream especially him mentioning "maybe a return to Last Alliance" twice. At this point I'd put money on new Numenor and High Elf infantry kits in the future. Plus, Elrond in Last Alliance armor instead of Third Age armor (as featured in the current Lords of Rivendell pack) with the herald of Gil Galad is so obviously the tip of the iceberg here.

Pelennor had a good four year run, and I agree with Rob listening to the community about the lack of terrain in Pelennor. He opted for less models, but new scenery, and a more involved campaign, so that the new starter is more of a complete experience for new players.
I'll definitely get it, despite not needing Morannon orcs or WOMT _at all_, as the updated rulebook is nice, plus... fully modular Ray Dranfield designed Gondorian scenery with options to make intact buildings or ruins is the top of my "didn't even know I wanted it" list. And as an insane collector, I Gotta Have Em All for every SBG sculpt, and I'm sure the starter will be cheaper than waiting and buying the components I want separately.

I'm very happy they're bringing back the 'starter army' Battlehosts sets for new players - tbh that's how I achieved some chunks of my current massive collection back in the day, so even more good news for new players. Obviously not designed for veterans like myself, but I'm not going to decry an easier buy in for those testing the waters with SBG.

I have to say, if they do end up releasing new Last Alliance models, I'm going to jump all in on Númenor. I've always loved the look of those guys. Hopefully the get some Banners and Commanders too!

Last Alliance with complete new range would be awesome. But if they work on a complete new range for it, they could spare the stream and a new Starter Box for this?

If this would really happen - I'm all in!

I’ve a feeling new troops would look a lot less appealing for a lot of people with the price tag they’d also come with.

RazorEdge wrote:
Last Alliance with complete new range would be awesome. But if they work on a complete new range for it, they could spare the stream and a new Starter Box for this?

Considering the Last Alliance accounts for only a few moments of the six films the license encompasses, I doubt it would be starter box worthy, whereas Osgiliath covers two films as well as the fact it changed hands several times during the War of the Ring. But maybe a 40k/AOS style campaign box for LA? That's wishlisting of course, as I imagine merely just a new set to release alongside a LA campaign supplement.

Last Alliance would need a mostly complett overhaul (except that new Elrond and the High Evles Cavalry from Hobbit?) and new set on Models:

Numenorian Warrior (with Command options)
Numenorian Cavalry
Siege Weapons
Elendil
Isuldur
Anarion

HIgh Elve Warrior
Siege Weapons
GIl-Galad

Orc Warriors
Orc Warge Riders
Siege Weapons
Sauron
Orc Character (Dude from Tolkiens records)

Some other Stuff by FW

The war scenes from The Lord of the Rings films were always special, but I much preferred the Fellowship's journey through Moria, or Sam and Frodo's hike to mount doom.

A Middle Earth "Quest" game could be a thing.

RazorEdge wrote:
Last Alliance would need a mostly complett overhaul (except that new Elrond and the High Evles Cavalry from Hobbit?) and new set on Models:

My guess would be:
GW High Elves, plastic sprue redo, 10-12 figs per sprue
GW Numenorean infantry, plastic sprue, 10-12 figs per sprue
GW/FW Elendil, Isildur, Gil-Galad in plastic
GW/FW Sauron in plastic
FW Anarion
FW Numenorean Cavalry

 frankelee wrote:
Since these boxes just scoop up and use existing models, I don't see what would be so hard about having multiple starters for Middle Earth. They have multiple start collecting boxes for 40K, this would be no more difficult. Other than eventually they just don't sell anymore because everyone who wanted one, bought one, and new players are actually nearly as rare as hen's teeth for GW.

Probably because they want the boxes to be all plastic, which rules out a lot of the heroes in the range. I guess they could use the new Elrond for a future High Elf box? Use the company of Thorin plastics for an army of Thror box?

 judgedoug wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:
Last Alliance would need a mostly complett overhaul (except that new Elrond and the High Evles Cavalry from Hobbit?) and new set on Models:

My guess would be:
GW High Elves, plastic sprue redo, 10-12 figs per sprue
GW Numenorean infantry, plastic sprue, 10-12 figs per sprue
GW/FW Elendil, Isildur, Gil-Galad in plastic
GW/FW Sauron in plastic
FW Anarion
FW Numenorean Cavalry

From your text to Gw's ear.

 ImAGeek wrote:
I’ve a feeling new troops would look a lot less appealing for a lot of people with the price tag they’d also come with.

We already get new troops with insane Forgeworld pricing. A proper GW plastic release would only be cheaper by comparison. I for one don’t touch Forgeworld.

SamusDrake wrote:
The war scenes from The Lord of the Rings films were always special, but I much preferred the Fellowship's journey through Moria, or Sam and Frodo's hike to mount doom.

A Middle Earth "Quest" game could be a thing.

With the Quest of the Ringbearer book you already have exactly that, no?

Sgt. Cortez wrote:


With the Quest of the Ringbearer book you already have exactly that, no?

Sadly, I haven't the foggiest. I've got the old Return of the King manual from ages past but not actually jumped in with the game yet.

Whats that like then? Any good?

Get Ready for The Lord of the Rings™ Battle of Osgiliath™

Point of interest from the article:

We’re doing something very special for this very special box – running an advance pre-order.

The Lord of the Rings Battle of Osgiliath is dropping in December – but there will also be a two-week pre-order window this September, running from the 10th until 8:00 BST on the 26th.

This longer pre-order window means that you can relax, safe in the knowledge you’ve secured your The Lord of the Rings Battle of Osgiliath boxed set in time for Christmas. There will also be a regular pre-order window at the end of the year, one week before the box hits the shelves of your local Warhammer store or independent stockist.

Wait... so...
you can pre-order in December for the release in December

Or you can pre-pre-order it during two random weeks in September for... the release in December?

I guess it means they can better manage order expectations and have a pile ready to go for shipping, but they don't... actually say that.

I expect to hear angry ranting a week or so after the September pre-order that people haven't gotten their boxes.