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Starter Set with old and dated MIniatures for much Money.

Sorry GW, you epic failed...!

I don't mind the "old" minis, but the new starter looks like worse value than Pelennor.

I already have 36 Morannon orcs, too. I doubt I'd have use for more unless GW resurrects War of the Ring.

RazorEdge wrote:
Starter Set with old and dated MIniatures for much Money.

Sorry GW, you epic failed...!

How about we wait for the actual price before doomposting? Just for a nice change of pace for once.


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Blastaar wrote:
I don't mind the "old" minis, but the new starter looks like worse value than Pelennor.

I already have 36 Morannon orcs, too. I doubt I'd have use for more unless GW resurrects War of the Ring.

I disagree. I like a good amount of scenery in a starter box to get us off of planet bowling ball right from the start.

I notice the Glorfindel/Erestor twin pack has quietly been removed from the web page... Thanks for the last chance to pick them up. feths.
Really hoping the ranger captains and Gothmog come back into stock again on the Aus website before they go for good. I've got Faramir, but need the others. May as well chuck a couple of Court Guard in the cart while they're available.

Stonking set of reveals though. Only thing i'm not totally enamoured with is the warg. Something off about it.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:
Starter Set with old and dated MIniatures for much Money.

Sorry GW, you epic failed...!

How about we wait for the actual price before doomposting? Just for a nice change of pace for once.

What ever the price will be, it will be too much for the quality of that outdated 20 years old Infantry Models...

RazorEdge wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:
Starter Set with old and dated MIniatures for much Money.

Sorry GW, you epic failed...!

How about we wait for the actual price before doomposting? Just for a nice change of pace for once.

What ever the price will be, it will be too much for the quality of that outdated Infantry Models...

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:
Starter Set with old and dated MIniatures for much Money.

Sorry GW, you epic failed...!

How about we wait for the actual price before doomposting? Just for a nice change of pace for once.


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Blastaar wrote:
I don't mind the "old" minis, but the new starter looks like worse value than Pelennor.

I already have 36 Morannon orcs, too. I doubt I'd have use for more unless GW resurrects War of the Ring.

I disagree. I like a good amount of scenery in a starter box to get us off of planet bowling ball right from the start.

Knowing GW, it will be more expensive than Pelennor.

The scenery is nice, but IMO there isn't enough of it to equal all the Warriors of the Dead.

You're right, there's more than enough of it to equal all the warriors of the dead.

aka:
literal filler models.

If GW are hoping to attract new blood thanks to the Amazon series, it'd make sense for the new starter and those battleforce boxes to be aggressively priced. But when does GW ever make sensible decisions?

Blastaar wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:
Starter Set with old and dated MIniatures for much Money.

Sorry GW, you epic failed...!

How about we wait for the actual price before doomposting? Just for a nice change of pace for once.


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Blastaar wrote:
I don't mind the "old" minis, but the new starter looks like worse value than Pelennor.

I already have 36 Morannon orcs, too. I doubt I'd have use for more unless GW resurrects War of the Ring.

I disagree. I like a good amount of scenery in a starter box to get us off of planet bowling ball right from the start.

Knowing GW, it will be more expensive than Pelennor.

Probably, but it's four years later and five new character sculpts and new scenery compared to just new Theoden from the previous box.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

I disagree. I like a good amount of scenery in a starter box to get us off of planet bowling ball right from the start.

What? No. The 'good amount of scenery' barely manages to fill in 3 corners of a maybe 3x3 board (going by the measuring tool on said board). Unless you're counting the book as terrain, it has jack and squat.
That board is planet bowling ball at the most low-effort tournament.

Nah, it's perfectly easy to use that to make the board work well. I've done it with similar amounts before.

RazorEdge wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:
Starter Set with old and dated MIniatures for much Money.

Sorry GW, you epic failed...!

How about we wait for the actual price before doomposting? Just for a nice change of pace for once.

What ever the price will be, it will be too much for the quality of that outdated 20 years old Infantry Models...

So since you then hate whole game and buy nothing anyway you aren't gw target anyway.

Yeah, I'd have preferred they included a pamphlet on how to make your own Osgiliath terrain out of poster board and cover that whole table for $3, and included a more substantial value in terms of minis and scatter terrain. I get wanting to buy it, I've spent ridiculous amounts of money on GW's terrain, but their customers will have to be in a pretty strict GW bubble to see the value in a few plastic wall pieces. They can be had cheaper elsewhere or built yourself.

tneva82 wrote:
So since you then hate whole game

Thanks,

I have 6 whole Armies for the Game - I love the Rules but I hate how GW treats the Range.. I don't see the reason to still selling the same old and dated Models form 20 years ago with already similary prices to 40k or AoS which make them absolute overpriced for their quality but sell good quality good looking Characters.

Some new hobbyists surely will be very disapointed, when they see the quality difference between the 20 years old Infantry/Cavalry and the new super detailed Characters.

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They support of the game is very on low effort. They're possible releasing only Characters and Books (and some FW Stuff) to not lose the licence by mimic efforts...

 Kanluwen wrote:
Flatout annoying that they do not seem to get why it's a problem for some people with these Forge World releases.

And what reasons might "some people" have that are actually rational?

We’ve got plenty more to reveal for the Middle-earth Strategy Battle Game today – check back here for all the news.

From the very last article of the day.

Who knows what it actually refers to.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Flatout annoying that they do not seem to get why it's a problem for some people with these Forge World releases.

And what reasons might "some people" have that are actually rational?

Nyah I hate resin nyah!

Probably just a case of someone not telling the person who put the article pages together what order they were going to be shown in - and if you didn't watch the preview, and follow a link to the Elrond article alone, it directs you to the hub for this preview where you can see the other articles.

Nothing malicious about it.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Someone's a bit keen on WHC already.

Is that Glorfindel, that is amazing. That is one I might be picking up.

Anyone want to guesstimate on the price? There is no way I’m going to pay between $60 and $100 USD as the FW character series shows. I’m hoping this is a plastic or resin blister more in the $40-50 range? Or am I deluding myself?

 Cruentus wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Someone's a bit keen on WHC already.

Is that Glorfindel, that is amazing. That is one I might be picking up.

Anyone want to guesstimate on the price? There is no way I’m going to pay between $60 and $100 USD as the FW character series shows. I’m hoping this is a plastic or resin blister more in the $40-50 range? Or am I deluding myself?

It is Glorfindel, and it is resin.

Character series currently looks to be The Hobbit only, so I have no idea how it'll be priced on release - sorry!

 Cruentus wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Someone's a bit keen on WHC already.

Is that Glorfindel, that is amazing. That is one I might be picking up.

Anyone want to guesstimate on the price? There is no way I’m going to pay between $60 and $100 USD as the FW character series shows. I’m hoping this is a plastic or resin blister more in the $40-50 range? Or am I deluding myself?

Price i'd probably expect him to be around Dain's price at $70. Although it depends if he comes with a big ass scenic base like Thranduil or not.

Frankly GW selling 2 decade old kits isn't surprising.

Look at eldar and catachans.

Minimal support and minimal effort for (I'm assuming) minimum sales.

That said, I've seen people make KoW armies out of The Elves and Rohan so I'm pretty sure seeing them make armies out of minas tirith models is not too far off.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Flatout annoying that they do not seem to get why it's a problem for some people with these Forge World releases.

And what reasons might "some people" have that are actually rational?

Nyah I hate resin nyah!

I'm not a fan of resin at all. I've gotten better with it over the years but Resin always gives me pause when preparing and building it.
I also am not a fan of ForgeWorld prices.

I think those are two reasonable complaints. The models look excellent tho, I can't deny that.

Anti-Resin sentiment aside, I like these products that are releasing and I just moved to an area that actually has people playing this game, so it's an exciting time in the game for me and a great time to pick up something new! (even if it does have older models, I don't own everything!)

 Dysartes wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Flatout annoying that they do not seem to get why it's a problem for some people with these Forge World releases.

And what reasons might "some people" have that are actually rational?

Availability, postage costs, etc.

Troke, when discussing it, made it sound like the issue was simply people not liking resin. There's definitely some folks for whom that is the case but the larger one that I've continually seen is that it is annoying to have to constantly be buying smaller purchases from FW.

Forge World is $120 for free delivery. Not a single one of the Character Series models from Middle Earth reach that, even with sales tax. Those shipping costs add up. And it's not like they're dropping big chunks of a single faction or anything in one release wave. It's spread out, meaning it becomes a "get them while they can be gotten" thing.


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 Dysartes wrote:
Probably just a case of someone not telling the person who put the article pages together what order they were going to be shown in - and if you didn't watch the preview, and follow a link to the Elrond article alone, it directs you to the hub for this preview where you can see the other articles.

Nothing malicious about it.

Well, to be fair, they also said there was a big reveal coming tied to The Two Towers. Osgiliath isn't really thought of too heavily as "Two Towers" by most people.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Eiríkr wrote:
Osgiliath boxset (in the same manner as Pelennor), coming to your table in 2022/2023.

I'd expect a Last Alliance box set, if I'm gonna be real here.

Sorry Kanluwen, Osgiliath it is (and always was going to be).
Really nice announcements today I think, the battleforce boxes definitely interest me as a way to quickly bulk up my existing forces.

Eiríkr wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Eiríkr wrote:
Osgiliath boxset (in the same manner as Pelennor), coming to your table in 2022/2023.

I'd expect a Last Alliance box set, if I'm gonna be real here.

Sorry Kanluwen, Osgiliath it is (and always was going to be).

I'm okay with it. Like I said way back around that time, I expected Last Alliance since we missed out on anything Big celebrating Fellowship of the Rings' 20th anniversary during C19.

Hopefully your source can be pumped a bit to find out if there's new High Elves to go with Elrond...

I'll probably want that new starter (although I definitely don't need MORE Morannon Orcs or another Troll- oh who am I kidding, I love Trolls!), and I'll probably get at least the Rohan battleforce, as I need the plastic Eomer and more Rohan models (particularly the infantry for the Defenders of Helm's Deep LL). And I probably want Rumil and Orophin for my Lorien army (which I'll probably order at the same time as I get the Dragon Emperor of Rhun to save on shipping).

My wallet is in the corner crying...

 rybackstun wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Flatout annoying that they do not seem to get why it's a problem for some people with these Forge World releases.

And what reasons might "some people" have that are actually rational?

Nyah I hate resin nyah!

I'm not a fan of resin at all. I've gotten better with it over the years but Resin always gives me pause when preparing and building it.
I also am not a fan of ForgeWorld prices.

I think those are two reasonable complaints. The models look excellent tho, I can't deny that.

Anti-Resin sentiment aside, I like these products that are releasing and I just moved to an area that actually has people playing this game, so it's an exciting time in the game for me and a great time to pick up something new! (even if it does have older models, I don't own everything!)

I'm with you on the prices for sure.

Love working with resin though. I don't understand people's complaints. It cleans up much nicer than plastic.

Jesus, that was fast:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/08/07/sunday-preview-massed-reinforcements-for-warhammer-the-horus-heresy/?fbclid=IwAR1PGuIv2o1JtWzkqLc4ToZBI89yGYQJJle2qLJOeUBA9lPjo9jZ5Jv9xoI