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However the battle boxes are about £40 after third parties, which is astounding.

Yea after Age of Darkness this is the second huge push to make (starting) a new side game very affordable.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I mean, Pelennor was 140€ retail, right? And this definitely has a "Kill Zone"'s worth of new terrain. About 1/2 - 1 boxes less models per side tho, right?

The original original LOTR box if I remember correctly was 9 metal fellowship and a few sprues of moria goblins?

All four original starters costed the same except the very first one, an no box had metals, it was all plastic as all other GW starter boxes.

The very first one (The Fellowship of the Rings) had a box of numenoreans and noldor, plus a box of moria orcs, and socme scenery (plus, obviosly, the game, dice, and a modules book, that's the same in all the boxes). It was also all new, state of the art sprues by the time (whereas this new box is all old stuff except for the characters).



The second one (The Mines of Moria box set) had 9 characters (the fellowship, yeah), a cave troll, 24 moria goblins and Mines of Moria scenery. All new except the moria orcs.



The third one (The Two Towers) had a box of uruk-hai and two boxes of rohirrim infantry, plus some scenery, but still, all new, state-of-the-art sprues by the time.



Lastly, the fourth one (The Return of the King) was IMHO the worst, as it was basically a box of Minas Tirith humans and a box of Mordor orcs, plus again, some lowr level infantry. Still, as said with the above bosex, all new.



But I was actually way off with the prices: the price I remembered was the original price for the Hobbit first box, which was ludicrously expensive in comparison. The first box started at retail at $39.95, whereas the rest went for $45.

Mines of Moria was the 4th Starter Set.

Felloship 2001
Two Towers 2002
Return of the King 2003
Mines of Moria 2005

RazorEdge wrote:
Mines of Moria was the 4th Starter Set.

Felloship 2001
Two Towers 2002
Return of the King 2003
Mines of Moria 2005

Ah, got that turned around. In my defense, it was a long time ago ^^

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I mean, Pelennor was 140€ retail, right? And this definitely has a "Kill Zone"'s worth of new terrain. About 1/2 - 1 boxes less models per side tho, right?

The original original LOTR box if I remember correctly was 9 metal fellowship and a few sprues of moria goblins?

No, it was 120 RRP initially before GW bumped up the price a year or so later.
The boxes with the movie releases had just a few plastic sprues, no metal.

Anyone know if the Battlehosts are here to stay or are they a limited run?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I mean, Pelennor was 140€ retail, right? And this definitely has a "Kill Zone"'s worth of new terrain. About 1/2 - 1 boxes less models per side tho, right?

The original original LOTR box if I remember correctly was 9 metal fellowship and a few sprues of moria goblins?

No, the very first box for Fellowship was two sprues of each group, Last Alliance and Moria Goblins.

EDIT: Apparently there was another page and this was already answered, my bad for the "dog piling"

 Albertorius wrote:
But I was actually way off with the prices: the price I remembered was the original price for the Hobbit first box

The Hobbit Strategy Battle Game - Escape from Goblintown was $125 in 2012

Also the rulebook at that time was an eye watering $85

Personally the other 4 boxes, despite the price, are very meh/lackluster - they definitely contained fewer minis (although the cost PER mini was substantially lower) and the included terrain was basically irrelevant. Pelennor I think could have been a great box if they included some terrain and the Good side was an actual cohesive force instead of a hodge podge of Rohan and Ghosts.

I think the Osgiliath box is great, despite the price, as its two decent armies and a set of decent terrain - not only was the box enough to make me want to buy it, but it was enough to make me want to buy into the game system as a whole (despite owning Easterlings, I didn't buy them for use with MESBG), such that I then tracked down a copy of Pelennor and ordered 3 of the 4 battlehosts releasing alongside it.

Even if the price is high, it is a much better *product*.

I wouldn't say the early "thin" scenery was irrelevant - I collected about a half dozen sets of those and made a nice themed terrain set around the ruins of Arnor with them. Terrain is hugely important in SBG so the lack of it in Pelennor was the primary negative of that box imho.

however now that the Osgiliath starter preorder is up I can easily see that the new Ray Dranfield designed Osgiliath buildings are incredible and I can't wait to buy a massive gonzo scenery box set like they did for Rohan and Dol Guldur scenery.

Gentlemen, today I scored Pelennor for 112€, in English, at my FLGS. And I'm moving the ghosts for 15€.

Will probably pick up both relevant Battlehosts, on discount they'll cost barely more than the heroes inside that I'd need to buy from Direct.


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And a Fun Fact: I wrote in this thread about 48 hours ago that German Pelennors can still be found online at discounter prices. Kutami.de had 6 in stock at the time, 2 this morning and none now.

Is the terrain in this new set the same as the Osgiliath Ruins you could buy separately not too long ago?

 CptJake wrote:
Is the terrain in this new set the same as the Osgiliath Ruins you could buy separately not too long ago?

No, the older stuff has been re-released as the "Ruins of Middle-Earth" set on direct-only pre-order this week.

The ruins in the new set are on sale for the first time.

 Momotaro wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
Is the terrain in this new set the same as the Osgiliath Ruins you could buy separately not too long ago?

No, the older stuff has been re-released as the "Ruins of Middle-Earth" set on direct-only pre-order this week.

The ruins in the new set are on sale for the first time.

So this terrain is brand new/never before released?

Yes, this is brand new, modular terrain.

The terrain is the thing I'm most excited for. It's going to be great for setting up a Mordheim table, or just about any city-setting skirmish gaming.

Yeah, I was planning on buying a mountain of the old Osgiliath ruins if they ever came back into stock, but now I'm just going to wait until GW releases a $300+ bundle deal of the new ruins and buy 2 of them lol.

Modular Osgiliath sprues

Ignispacium wrote:
The terrain is the thing I'm most excited for. It's going to be great for setting up a Mordheim table, or just about any city-setting skirmish gaming.

Going to be perfect for Frostgrave!

Walls seem a bit thin to me.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Walls seem a bit thin to me.

Look to be about the same as the existing ones so at least they're consistent if so.

 judgedoug wrote:
Modular Osgiliath sprues

Those sprues look very interesting and has potential. I hope you can make building that aren't destroyed.

I'm going to wait and hopefully they released a big box like that for Rohan or Dol Guldor. I'll probably be waiting a year or more since this box isn't even released until December.

Just bought 2 battlehosts, first new GW miniatures I've bought in about 15 years, so they've really gotten something right with this release.

I picked up Mordor and Minas Tirith, to expand with the Osgiliath box later in the year. The contents don't duplicate at all, with the exception of 12 warriors of minis tirith so it's perfect.

Will probably sell off the scenery from the starter, it's really nice, but 3d printer has been going brrr with ruined stone buildings for quite some time now.

zombie_sky_diver wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
Modular Osgiliath sprues

Those sprues look very interesting and has potential. I hope you can make building that aren't destroyed.

I'm going to wait and hopefully they released a big box like that for Rohan or Dol Guldor. I'll probably be waiting a year or more since this box isn't even released until December.

Yep they confirmed you can make intact buildings. There is some unconfirmed speculation that there is a third sprue that will be in the individual kit with roof tiles & accessories, but again, no confirmation.

I'll also be eagerly awaiting a mega box - that being said, the first Rohan mega box came out at roughly the same time as the individual kits, so it could happen.

A roof for the building would be Awesome!!!

Ruined building are cool, but for fantasy I don't like too many. Your bows and spears can't cause that kind of rubble so I don't like ally buildings shown as ruins.

 judgedoug wrote:

zombie_sky_diver wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
Modular Osgiliath sprues

Those sprues look very interesting and has potential. I hope you can make building that aren't destroyed.

I'm going to wait and hopefully they released a big box like that for Rohan or Dol Guldor. I'll probably be waiting a year or more since this box isn't even released until December.

Yep they confirmed you can make intact buildings. There is some unconfirmed speculation that there is a third sprue that will be in the individual kit with roof tiles & accessories, but again, no confirmation.

I'll also be eagerly awaiting a mega box - that being said, the first Rohan mega box came out at roughly the same time as the individual kits, so it could happen.

I just noticed that this image has a stairs and balustrade (behind the troll) that aren't available on the initial 2 sprues so there's likely more sprues for later release.

zombie_sky_diver wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
Modular Osgiliath sprues

I hope you can make building that aren't destroyed.

Most of the parts are ruined ones, but it looks like if you buy enough kits you should get enough undamaged parts to build one intact building for every few destroyed ones.

chaos0xomega wrote:

zombie_sky_diver wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
Modular Osgiliath sprues

I hope you can make building that aren't destroyed.

Most of the parts are ruined ones, but it looks like if you buy enough kits you should get enough undamaged parts to build one intact building for every few destroyed ones.

Sector Fronteris style I guess, though I think some of the imperial sector ruins had ruined floors that slotted together

 DaveC wrote:

I just noticed that this image has a stairs and balustrade (behind the troll) that aren't available on the initial 2 sprues so there's likely more sprues for later release.

GOOD CATCH! That amps my desire up, though my wallet is already whimpering.

About fething time they MtO'd the Breaking of the Fellowship. Been waiting for this for ages. Although i'm not really happy that'll it'll probably be $110+.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/09/18/sunday-preview-mortal-realms-magic-and-space-marines-made-to-order/




Can't say i'm overly enamoured with this drip feed style MtO they're currently doing. I didn't order Gandlaf/Final Fate of the Witch-king on a hunch that they might release more. I was right, but it's annoying cause it means I don't know if they'll do another one next week, how much do I need to budget for them all. They just drop them all at once you buggers.